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G8MNY > TECH 01.12.24 10:34l 90 Lines 4610 Bytes #999 (0) @ WW
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Subj: Regulating 12V Generator O/P
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Sent: 241201/0933Z @:GB7CIP.#32.GBR.EURO #:20905 [Caterham Surrey GBR]
From: G8MNY@GB7CIP.#32.GBR.EURO
To : TECH@WW
By G8MNY (Updated Jun 06)
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Small generators often provide unregulated charging outputs. These can easily
over charge your /P battery, with damaging excessive battery voltage, that can
also damage low power lamps & other kit.
Here is s simple & efficient charge limiting SCR regulator that can be put in
the lead at the battery end.
FEATURES
1/ Charge output gradually shut of at 14V (dependent on Zener voltage).
2/ Low loss (1V) as it is an SCR & not a linear regulator.
3/ Generator connected LED, this lights when DC appears from the generator.
4/ Charged LED, gradually lights up as the battery takes less genny output.
5/ Battery lead isolation, no battery DC to short out @ the generator lead end.
6/ No battery drain, the circuit takes no current from the battery.
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SCR mounted on heatsink
HOW IT WORKS
The raw DC peaking well over 20V off load, lights the GEN ON LED via the 1K to
the -ve. The 20V also provides up to 14.5V across the zener. This puts 14V onto
the gate of the SCR via a 270R and blocking diode. If the battery voltage is
much less than this, the SCR will be triggered and puts nearly all of that half
cycle of generator DC into the battery. When that half cycle of current stops
the SCR is ready for the next voltage comparison and trigging for subsequent
half cycles.
As the battery charges up the voltage rises and the SCR is triggered later and
later, in fact a crude form of phase firing naturally occurs, as the battery
voltage falls from the last current burst as the zener voltage rises..
14VÄ´ _..--. --..._.Ä--...___
13VÄ´ .' '\ BATTERY VOLTAGE
25V_ _ _ 12VÄÙ_/ FLAT 11V CHARGED 14V
³ /' `\ /' `\
14VÄ´ | | | | 14VÄ´ .-ÄÄÄ-. .-ÄÄÄ-.
³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ /' `\ /' `\ ZENER VOLTAGE
0V_³V_________V_________V 0V_³V___________V___________V
OFF LOAD GENNY DC TRIGGER | early | late
This does what you need for charging, it turns the current down as the voltage
comes up and stops excessive gassing. Eventually just the odd trigger occurs
keeping the voltage @ 14V.
If the charge current is small (small genny e.g. 8A max), and the battery a big
one with low internal resistance, then the hum across the battery may be small
enough not to cause hum problems at all with kit like a 22 Amp 100W SSB rig.
ACOUSTIC NOISE & LEAD LENGTH
Using the low voltage output, means thick short leads! This does not help the
noise isolation problem. If you are closing doors on this lead, do make sure it
is not crushed! If you are using long leads due to noise, then make sure that
are VERY THICK. e.g. A 30A cooker lead with the 3rd earth wire bonded to -ve up
to say 10m long for an 8A charge lead, if the losses are not to be too great.
DC CHARGING WITH AC LOADS
Some generators warn you not to use both DC and AC outputs at the same time.
This may not be due to loading, or regulation problems, but due to safety! This
is because the DC output winding is often part of the 230V AC load winding, and
that can put DC onto the AC output or bypass some of the safety trip features,
as well as MAKING THE 230V NON FLOATING and therefore more hazardous!
If you intend to use both at once do at least use a ELCB/RDC mains trip plug!
Why Don't U send an interesting bul?
73 de John G8MNY @ GB7CIP
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