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Today's Topics:
1. Re: High Speed Telemetry, SDR#, and RTS/SDR (Scott)
2. Re: Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow (B J)
3. Re: Behavior on FM Satellites (Matthew Stevens)
4. Re: Behavior on FM Satellites (R.T.Liddy)
5. Moxon vs. Turnstile (KD4ZGW)
6. Re: Behavior on FM Satellites (ka9p@xxx.xxxx
7. Re: Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow (Wendy and Terry Osborne)
8. Re: Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow (Wendy and Terry Osborne)
9. Re: Behavior on FM Satellites (R.T.Liddy)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 19:22:20 -0500
From: Scott <scott23192@xxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT bbs <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] High Speed Telemetry, SDR#, and RTS/SDR
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Hey Fred!
At https://www.amsat.org/getting-ready-for-radfxsat-fox-1b/ there's a
comment that indicates that all the telemetry from AO-91 will be of the
"low speed" variety:
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Satellite and experiment telemetry will be downlinked via the ?DUV?
subaudible telemetry stream
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... also, on the telemetry page (
http://www.amsat.org/tlm/leaderboard.php?id=2&db=FOXDB), as of now anyway,
no 9k6 packets have been received by anyone.
73!
-Scott, K4KDR
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On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Fred Castello <fredcastello@xxxxx.xxx>
wrote:
> Is anyone using this particular combination with the Fox 1 Telemetry
> Analysis Tool? Today on one of my good passes with AO-91 I believe it was
> transmitting high speed telemetry and it seemed no matter what combination
> I used, I could not get the tool to decode the high speed telemetry. I
> have no problem with the low speed Data Under Voice with this combination.
> I have always assumed that the high speed telemetry is on the same
> frequency as voice and low speed DUV. I would appreciate any thoughts
> anyone has as usual.
> Best Regards,
> Fred ? KF4FC
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 01:19:29 +0000
From: B J <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Wendy and Terry Osborne <osbornes@xxxxxxxx.xxx.xx>
Cc: amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow
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The video feed is active right now but there's no picture yet. It appears
that lift-off is scheduled for 0200 UTC today.
Go Electron! Go Rocket Lab!
73s
Bernhard VA6BMJ @ CO96NG
On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 2:45 AM, Wendy and Terry Osborne <
osbornes@xxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> wrote:
> Hi Launch Watchers,
>
> Rocket Lab?s second test launch will be streamed from about 01:15 UTC
> tomorrow 8th December.
> You can catch it here: http://www.rocketlab.co.nz/livestream
>
> Weather looks good so far.
>
> 73,
> Terry Osborne ZL2BAC
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:23:15 -0500
From: Matthew Stevens <matthew@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: Bernie and Cheryl <hamdan@xx.xxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
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I should have maybe added one other thing, just to clarify that you don?t
have to be plugged into social media or even be sitting in front of a
computer to operate courteously..
With the exception of I think 8 QSOs while visiting the shack of one of the
guys who helped get me started on sats, and using his well-equipped
automated station - all of my ~1900 satellite qsos since September 2016 were
made standing outside in my yard or along the side of the road with an arrow
antenna in my hand and manually tuning an HT, FT-817, or icom 821. I use my
phone to tell me when passes are coming up and that?s it. And I know many,
many other extremely active operators that do the same thing.
So you don?t really have to do anything other than LISTEN in order to play
along nicely with other people on the birds!
73, and here?s to good operators!
- Matthew nj4y
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 10, 2017, at 17:42, Matthew Stevens <matthew@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> I share your sentiment last about, and have (I think) done as much as
anyone could to reach out to new sat ops, bringing new guys to this aspect
of the hobby. But, they aren?t the ones who have been causing such headaches
on AO-91 (and the other FM birds). The ones that Paul and others have talked
about ?calling out? are ops who have been around for a long time, many who
have made thousands and thousands of sat QSOs. Sadly, they are accomplishing
the opposite of what I and others have been trying to do as far as bringing
new guys to the sats.. I know at least one newer op who I?ve worked with,
who pretty much refuses to work FM sats because he doesn?t want to throw his
callsign out into the fray caused by inconsiderate operators.
>
> In all but a few cases, the new ops I?ve worked with have been enthusiast,
eager to learn and willing to listen to advice from people who are skilled
at satellite operating. However, the more experienced ops that have been
causing so much trouble don?t do any of those things, even after numerous
polite emails etc. They will not make basic improvements to their station,
and don?t even exhibit the most basic good practice that applies to ANY
amateur operating - like listening before transmitting.
>
> Social media isn?t required for people to use common sense while
operating. Just be polite, don?t tie up a pass. I can remember my first few
SO-50 passes getting started on sats last year. I worked N6UA who was
somewhere in the middle of nowhere in Wyoming I think. I called him -
because I had listened to the pass (without transmitting) for a few minutes,
and noticed a lot of people calling him. I figured that was a good sign he
was someone I wanted to work even though I had no idea who or where he was!
Contrast that to certain stations in the Northeast US who, rather than
listening first and allowing the guy who is in a rare location make
contacts, instead call literally every person they hear on the pass -
including if the person they call was actually trying to call someone else!
>
> Just some thoughts from a guy who was listening to the pass in question :-)
>
> 73,
> - Matthew nj4y
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 10, 2017, at 16:27, Bernie and Cheryl <hamdan@xx.xxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Folks:
>>
>> I certainly don't want to argue with the central premise, i.e., that when
there's a rare grid square, it is good operating practice to back off of the
bird and let everyone have a crack at working the "DX". Neither do I have a
problem with good operating practice dictating that people not hog the bird
(as has been described by Paul and other posters). I do have a problem with
public shaming, especially if not preceded with a congenial email suggesting
that the operator in question give people a chance. Most folks have their
email addresses on QRZ.com.
>>
>> The important thing to remember is that AMSAT hasn't published (to my
knowledge) a rule stating that /only/ certain types of QSO's can occur on
the FM satellites. I just looked at the website and there is a section
called "Working Your First Satellite" and I don't see anything on there like
that. The section on "Communications Satellites" has nothing like that
either. Unless the control operators of the satellite (e.g., AO-91) made a
decision in that vein, then the bird is open to all comers.
>>
>> Paul's post mentioned that the FM birds open up the hobby to a lot of
people. That means the FM birds are going to have new people on them, and I
think good operating practice indicates that people are welcomed on
satellites, and if they make a mistake, the "suggestion" to improve their
operating practice occurs in such a way that they aren't shamed, i.e., a
tasteful email or perhaps even a snail mail.
>>
>> His post also mentioned that he monitored Twitter and took some other
steps while preparing for the pass. I have to be honest and say I'm not a
big social media person. I only opened up a Facebook page last year, and
don't really know or care to know how to get on Twitter. Other than
checking when AOS occurs, I typically don't do that much preparation for a
pass. I don't think that disqualifies me from being able to operate on the
birds. Like I said above, I will back off if I'm aware that there's a rare
grid square on there, but I don't always know that's the case. All of us
are coming within the footprint of the bird at different times, and so the
newest person in the footprint won't always know what's happening at that
moment.
>>
>> I guess the reason why this thread affected me to the point that I felt
the need to reply is that I could see the situation degenerating very
quickly into a war between two classes of operators. And then, given the
nature of FM birds, it will be impossible for anyone to use them (it would
be relatively easy for one angry operator to jam the bird during a pass),
short of handing out CTSS tone codes to a select group. Until something
like that happens, the satellites are a shared resource, and we're always
going to be faced with folks who screw up unintentionally. I'd just hate to
see a flame war on the birds like we sometimes see on the internet.
>>
>> I'm not suggesting that satellite operating is "The Wild Wild West". I
think it's just a matter of education, and courtesy.
>>
>> Admittedly, I'm on the FM birds rarely (I've operated AO-91 exactly
once). I prefer the linear transponder satellites with their opportunity to
have a real conversation as opposed to shouting out grid squares, but
recognize (as Adrian points out in his post) that the setup for those birds
requires more infrastructure that may be beyond a lot of people. However,
I've been around a while (my first satellite QSO was on RS-10 back in 1994)
and I remember how excited I was when I made my first QSO's, and know how
devastated I would have been if someone called me out in a public forum
because I did something wrong that I didn't know was wrong.
>>
>> All I'm asking for is that all operators in good faith be granted a
modicum of courtesy, and we should be careful before deciding that someone
is acting in bad faith. I love this hobby and my heart aches at some of the
stuff I've heard on 75 meters, and on the local 2 meter repeaters. I'd
hate to see that transfer over to the satellite community, which by and
large, seems to be pretty professional.
>>
>> See you all on the birds. 73 de Bernie, KF0QS
>>
>>
>> On 12/10/2017 11:35 AM, JoAnne Maenpaa wrote:
>>>> There's no need to work a hundred stations on every pass of AO-91,
>>>> especially when two guys in rare grids with low power equipment are
>>>> attempting to hand them out. It's all about situational awareness.
>>> I remember situations like this arising during AO-51 operation. Of
>>> particular note beside working 100 stations on a 10 minute pass were those
>>> fellows on AO-51 with enough aluminum and RF wattage to capture the AO-51
>>> receiver then greet each other every morning like they hadn't spoken for
20
>>> years. They would then give each other a weather report. This was followed
>>> with a status of breakfast report. We often found out someone's dog needed
>>> to step outside! Then the same 3 or 4 fellows would repeat this again on
the
>>> next pass. They would begin with the missing-person from 20 years ago
>>> greetings ... even though they had already greeted each other 90 minutes
>>> ago.
>>>
>>> Other operators began note these boorish manners and after a while much of
>>> that behavior was gradually moderated and mostly went away.
>>>
>>> --
>>> 73 de JoAnne K9JKM
>>> k9jkm@xxxxx.xxx
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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Opinions expressed
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AMSAT-NA.
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>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 01:51:40 +0000 (UTC)
From: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "Devin L. Ganger" <devin@xxxxxxxx.xxx>, AMSAT BB
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, Starcom <starcom-bb@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
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Devin,
Many operators that plan roving activity to rare/semi-rare Grids
post their plans on the AMSAT-BB and/or AMSAT on Twitter
and/or the STARCOM-BB. This as worked well for the dedicated
SAT Gridders over the past several years.
Seasoned SAT Ops are aware of these postings and lay in wait for
the announced Rovers to show up and work them. On Linear SATs,
many of the Rovers will post the downlink freq they will be listening
to (approximately) and it will usually be well away from the regular
casual QSO freqs. The Gridders easily work the Rovers and the folks
looking for regular conversation all share the bandpass with relatively
little conflict.
Doing Rover Operations on the FM SATs can be somewhat chaotic due
to their being only one freq available. In spite of posting plans for going
to rare Grids, there will be operators that aren't interested in Gridding
and merely want to have a QSO via Satellite with anyone anywhere just
for the thrill of it. On top of that, there will be new/inexperienced folks
that are trying SATs but have great difficulty hearing their downlink and
keep keying up or speaking and not aware they are QRMing others. The
experienced Rovers are used to this and have learned to deal with it and
still make QSOs while being careful to utter their expletives while unkeyed.
Given time, the new folks will figure things out and things will get better,
but there will continue to be more new folks that follow (hopefully). All
we can do is try to lead by example which is no different than what we
look for in the Real World.
GL & 73, Bob K8BL (AMSAT #6593, since 1979)
________________________________
From: Devin L. Ganger <devin@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: Bernie and Cheryl <hamdan@xx.xxxxxx.xxx>; "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
I've not yet gotten on the birds, so I am only an interested observer at
this point, but it seemed to me the original complaint (and reference to
public shaming) was regarding those rare people who treat the FM birds as
their own personal fiefdom on a ongoing basis.
I've not been a ham for a long time, but I know enough to know that sort of
behavior is not accidental. It is the result of a willful choice to remain
ignorant of good operational practice, or in knowing it, to not bother to
use it.
Newbies like me will make our mistakes. But most of us want to learn from
them and gladly accept feedback. We WANT to see things from another
perspective.
Observing (and occasionally poking our noses out to participate) in these
discussions is very educational, but occasionally frustrating because it
seems like there is a well-established consensus on how to share these
resources within the community, but occasionally we talk past each other on
deciding how to approach those who aren't playing as nicely.
Finally, one thought -- just as the DX world has trackers, has anyone at
AMSAT or anywhere else thought of putting up a website specifically for
satellite operators to notify others if they plan to activate a specific
grid or perform some other non-standard activity? Such a website could be
tied in with various social media channels to watch for specific
hashtags/keywords (so folks already posting have to make one tiny change)
and collate the information on the website, both in human-readable and
machine readable feeds (so, for example, a pass predictor app could consume
that feed and tell you "hey, WA7DLG is going to activate grid XXYZ on this
next pass")? Such a setup would take a little bit of work to put together,
but with some community user education, it could become a valuable resource
*in addition* to the existing methods folks are using. Knowledge is one of
the big pieces in combatting the "I didn't know" game and making it as easy
to get to, in as many methods as possible,
makes it more likely such a resource would be used.
I am certainly willing to volunteer time and resources to host and help
develop such a resource if anyone else is interested.
--
Devin L. Ganger (WA7DLG)
email: devin@xxxxxxxx.xxx
web: Devin on Earth
cell: +1 425.239.2575
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:37:14 -0600
From: KD4ZGW <kd4zgw@xxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Moxon vs. Turnstile
Message-ID: <28372a30-853f-7057-ca04-c9c315fc80ad@xxxxx.xxx>
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What would be the better antenna: moxon or a turnstile?
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 22:05:12 -0500
From: ka9p@xxx.xxx
To: daron@xxxxxx.xxxx hamdan@xx.xxxxxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
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I've got to go with the crowd that thinks poor operating needs to be called
out, particularly on the FM birds.
?
The ARRL has called out bad operating publicly in QST since Hiram Percy
Maxim's "The Old Man" rants (their words, not mine) - feedback is a gift -
and if folks don't call it out, it can't improve.
?
I won't go into the issue of old timers repeatedly chatting on busy FM birds
- but will point out there are a number that very patiently wait and listen,
and with a very potent signal call newcomers that are trying to have a first
QSO or two, making the new guy very happy and setting a good example for
everyone.?
?
For those that shy from social media - if you were to look - you'd find DX
operators severely discouraged by rotten operating, and being fairly vocal
about why they don't think it's worth the effort. ?Adrian's post is yet
another example of the same thing.
?
You can't shrug off what's happening with "the kids are new." The kind of
behavior that one wrote about, and that I listened to, was several operators
in a row calling without anyone waiting for the station called to
acknowledge the calling operator. ?Lack of situational awareness is a kind
description of it.
?
Public shamming of a new guy getting his feet wet probably isn't the way to
go, but Paul didn't seem to suggest that except as a last resort. ?Those FM
birds are a very scarce resource, put up there by some very dedicated people
that spent alot of time and effort to make it happen. They are often
available for less than an hour a day each to the entire ham population.
?
People need to actively reach out to folks that need help, in an encouraging
way where it's innocent enough, and in a more direct way where it's
thoughtless or worse.
?
And we probably have to ask ourselves how it is that new comers show up with
so little an idea about what's expected. ?I can't imagine that happening
with anyone from Matt's radio club for example, but if you're encouraging
folks to try satellites, make sure you educate them about how to go about
it, beyond buying an HT and an Arrow and pointing it up.
?
Rant over. ?TOM
?
In a message dated 12/10/2017 5:55:27 PM Central Standard Time,
daron@xxxxxx.xxx writes:
?
Thanks Bernie,
I think you hit most of the highpoints. All operating is about courtesy, it
should be a highlight for us at all times. However please remember that
amateur radio operators are in the hobby for different reasons.
Some folks hang works of art and family photos on the wall, some folks like
certificates. Some folks like to have a conversation on the radio, some
folks prefer to exchange only callsign, grid and signal and do not wish to
talk further. Some folks might be very well technologically connected and
choose (or not) to use that connectivity for amateur radio planning, while
others may prefer to use amateur radio without being dependant on social
media. Some folks sit in a hamshack with multiple radios, computer access,
tracking systems and 'plan' their contacts based on a footprint...others
stand in the yard with a yagi and two handhelds and just work whomever comes
up.
I'm not a contester, but I sure like to pick up a new grid square and more
importantly as one who has roved and done satellite work, I like to share
them when I can be helpful. The satellites are a limited resource, we need
to take turns and let others in.
There have been west coast passes where I've listened to the downlink and
I'm the ONLY one on the pass. I've had passes where I could visit with
someone a few states away for most of the pass, stopping between comments to
ask if anyone else wants in. And I've had passes where I tried for 5
minutes and couldn't squeak my callsign in.
For the most part I think we're all willing to play nice, but certainly we
need a reminder and there is no doubt we need to continue educating people
how to use satellites.
73
Daron N7HQR CN74
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On Behalf Of Bernie
> and Cheryl
> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 3:27 PM
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
>
> Dear Folks:
>
> I certainly don't want to argue with the central premise, i.e., that
> when there's a rare grid square, it is good operating practice to back
> off of the bird and let everyone have a crack at working the "DX".
> Neither do I have a problem with good operating practice dictating
> that people not hog the bird (as has been described by Paul and other
> posters). I do have a problem with public shaming, especially if not
> preceded with a congenial email suggesting that the operator in
> question give people a chance. Most folks have their email addresses on
QRZ.com.
>
> The important thing to remember is that AMSAT hasn't published (to my
> knowledge) a rule stating that /only/ certain types of QSO's can occur
> on the FM satellites. I just looked at the website and there is a
> section called "Working Your First Satellite" and I don't see anything
> on there like that. The section on "Communications Satellites" has
> nothing like that either. Unless the control operators of the
> satellite (e.g., AO-91) made a decision in that vein, then the bird is
> open to all comers.
>
> Paul's post mentioned that the FM birds open up the hobby to a lot of
> people. That means the FM birds are going to have new people on them,
> and I think good operating practice indicates that people are welcomed
> on satellites, and if they make a mistake, the "suggestion" to improve
> their operating practice occurs in such a way that they aren't shamed,
> i.e., a tasteful email or perhaps even a snail mail.
>
> His post also mentioned that he monitored Twitter and took some other
> steps while preparing for the pass. I have to be honest and say I'm
> not a big social media person. I only opened up a Facebook page last
> year, and don't really know or care to know how to get on Twitter.
> Other than checking when AOS occurs, I typically don't do that much
> preparation for a pass. I don't think that disqualifies me from being
> able to operate on the birds. Like I said above, I will back off if
> I'm aware that there's a rare grid square on there, but I don't always
> know that's the case. All of us are coming within the footprint of
> the bird at different times, and so the newest person in the footprint
> won't always know what's happening at that moment.
>
> I guess the reason why this thread affected me to the point that I
> felt the need to reply is that I could see the situation degenerating
> very quickly into a war between two classes of operators. And then,
> given the nature of FM birds, it will be impossible for anyone to use
> them (it would be relatively easy for one angry operator to jam the
> bird during a pass), short of handing out CTSS tone codes to a select
> group. Until something like that happens, the satellites are a shared
> resource, and we're always going to be faced with folks who screw up
unintentionally.
> I'd just hate to see a flame war on the birds like we sometimes see on
> the internet.
>
> I'm not suggesting that satellite operating is "The Wild Wild West".
> I think it's just a matter of education, and courtesy.
>
> Admittedly, I'm on the FM birds rarely (I've operated AO-91 exactly
> once). I prefer the linear transponder satellites with their
> opportunity to have a real conversation as opposed to shouting out
> grid squares, but recognize (as Adrian points out in his post) that
> the setup for those birds requires more infrastructure that may be
> beyond a lot of people. However, I've been around a while (my first
> satellite QSO was on RS-10 back in 1994) and I remember how excited I
> was when I made my first QSO's, and know how devastated I would have
> been if someone called me out in a public forum because I did
> something wrong that I didn't know was wrong.
>
> All I'm asking for is that all operators in good faith be granted a
> modicum of courtesy, and we should be careful before deciding that
> someone is acting in bad faith. I love this hobby and my heart aches
> at some of the stuff I've heard on 75 meters, and on the local 2 meter
> repeaters. I'd hate to see that transfer over to the satellite
> community, which by and large, seems to be pretty professional.
>
> See you all on the birds. 73 de Bernie, KF0QS
>
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:25:43 +1300
From: "Wendy and Terry Osborne" <wandtosborne@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "B J" <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow
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reply-type=response
-----Original Message-----
From: Wendy and Terry Osborne
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 2:45 PM
To: B J
Cc: amsat-bb
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow
Launch attempt scrubbed for today.
Weather and orbital traffic problems.
See: https://twitter.com/RocketLab
73,
Terry ZL2BAC
-----Original Message-----
From: B J
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 2:19 PM
To: Wendy and Terry Osborne
Cc: amsat-bb
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow
The video feed is active right now but there's no picture yet. It appears
that lift-off is scheduled for 0200 UTC today.
Go Electron! Go Rocket Lab!
73s
Bernhard VA6BMJ @ CO96NG
On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 2:45 AM, Wendy and Terry Osborne <
osbornes@xxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> wrote:
> Hi Launch Watchers,
>
> Rocket Lab?s second test launch will be streamed from about 01:15 UTC
> tomorrow 8th December.
> You can catch it here: http://www.rocketlab.co.nz/livestream
>
> Weather looks good so far.
>
> 73,
> Terry Osborne ZL2BAC
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:27:14 +1300
From: "Wendy and Terry Osborne" <wandtosborne@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "B J" <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx>, <ZL2BJO@xxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow
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-----Original Message-----
From: Wendy and Terry Osborne
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 3:08 PM
To: Selwyn Cathcart
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow
Hi Selwyn,
They shifted the streaming to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx52QKgF_HM&feature=youtu.be
But they have closed the link down (for today?). Launch scrubbed for today.
See: https://twitter.com/RocketLab
Cheers,
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: Selwyn Cathcart
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 12:09 PM
To: osbornes@xxxxxxxx.xxx.xx
Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow
Hi Terry,
Is the streaming link below correct - not a valid URL at this end??
Ta
Selwyn
-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On Behalf Of B J
Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 02:52 PM
To: Wendy and Terry Osborne
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow
On 12/7/17, Wendy and Terry Osborne <osbornes@xxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> wrote:
> Hi Launch Watchers,
>
> Rocket Lab?s second test launch will be streamed from about 01:15 UTC
> tomorrow 8th December.
> You can catch it here: http://www.rocketlab.co.nz/livestream
>
> Weather looks good so far.
<snip>
Are there any updates? It's now after 0150 UTC and there's no video stream
yet.
73s
Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 03:26:32 +0000 (UTC)
From: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "ka9p@xxx.xxxx <ka9p@xxx.xxx>, "daron@xxxxxx.xxxx
<daron@xxxxxx.xxx>, "hamdan@xx.xxxxxx.xxxx <hamdan@xx.xxxxxx.xxx>,
"amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
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Please include your Call when posting so we have a clue who you are.
TNX/73, ? ? ?Bob ?K8BL
From: Scott via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
To: daron@xxxxxx.xxxx hamdan@xx.xxxxxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
I've got to go with the crowd that thinks poor operating needs to be called
out, particularly on the FM birds.
?
The ARRL has called out bad operating publicly in QST since Hiram Percy
Maxim's "The Old Man" rants (their words, not mine) - feedback is a gift -
and if folks don't call it out, it can't improve.
?
I won't go into the issue of old timers repeatedly chatting on busy FM birds
- but will point out there are a number that very patiently wait and listen,
and with a very potent signal call newcomers that are trying to have a first
QSO or two, making the new guy very happy and setting a good example for
everyone.?
?
For those that shy from social media - if you were to look - you'd find DX
operators severely discouraged by rotten operating, and being fairly vocal
about why they don't think it's worth the effort. ?Adrian's post is yet
another example of the same thing.
?
You can't shrug off what's happening with "the kids are new." The kind of
behavior that one wrote about, and that I listened to, was several operators
in a row calling without anyone waiting for the station called to
acknowledge the calling operator. ?Lack of situational awareness is a kind
description of it.
?
Public shamming of a new guy getting his feet wet probably isn't the way to
go, but Paul didn't seem to suggest that except as a last resort. ?Those FM
birds are a very scarce resource, put up there by some very dedicated people
that spent alot of time and effort to make it happen. They are often
available for less than an hour a day each to the entire ham population.
?
People need to actively reach out to folks that need help, in an encouraging
way where it's innocent enough, and in a more direct way where it's
thoughtless or worse.
?
And we probably have to ask ourselves how it is that new comers show up with
so little an idea about what's expected. ?I can't imagine that happening
with anyone from Matt's radio club for example, but if you're encouraging
folks to try satellites, make sure you educate them about how to go about
it, beyond buying an HT and an Arrow and pointing it up.
?
Rant over. ?TOM
?
In a message dated 12/10/2017 5:55:27 PM Central Standard Time,
daron@xxxxxx.xxx writes:
?
Thanks Bernie,
I think you hit most of the highpoints. All operating is about courtesy, it
should be a highlight for us at all times. However please remember that
amateur radio operators are in the hobby for different reasons.
Some folks hang works of art and family photos on the wall, some folks like
certificates. Some folks like to have a conversation on the radio, some
folks prefer to exchange only callsign, grid and signal and do not wish to
talk further. Some folks might be very well technologically connected and
choose (or not) to use that connectivity for amateur radio planning, while
others may prefer to use amateur radio without being dependant on social
media. Some folks sit in a hamshack with multiple radios, computer access,
tracking systems and 'plan' their contacts based on a footprint...others
stand in the yard with a yagi and two handhelds and just work whomever comes
up.
I'm not a contester, but I sure like to pick up a new grid square and more
importantly as one who has roved and done satellite work, I like to share
them when I can be helpful. The satellites are a limited resource, we need
to take turns and let others in.
There have been west coast passes where I've listened to the downlink and
I'm the ONLY one on the pass. I've had passes where I could visit with
someone a few states away for most of the pass, stopping between comments to
ask if anyone else wants in. And I've had passes where I tried for 5
minutes and couldn't squeak my callsign in.
For the most part I think we're all willing to play nice, but certainly we
need a reminder and there is no doubt we need to continue educating people
how to use satellites.
73
Daron N7HQR CN74
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On Behalf Of Bernie
> and Cheryl
> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 3:27 PM
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
>
> Dear Folks:
>
> I certainly don't want to argue with the central premise, i.e., that
> when there's a rare grid square, it is good operating practice to back
> off of the bird and let everyone have a crack at working the "DX".
> Neither do I have a problem with good operating practice dictating
> that people not hog the bird (as has been described by Paul and other
> posters). I do have a problem with public shaming, especially if not
> preceded with a congenial email suggesting that the operator in
> question give people a chance. Most folks have their email addresses on
QRZ.com.
>
> The important thing to remember is that AMSAT hasn't published (to my
> knowledge) a rule stating that /only/ certain types of QSO's can occur
> on the FM satellites. I just looked at the website and there is a
> section called "Working Your First Satellite" and I don't see anything
> on there like that. The section on "Communications Satellites" has
> nothing like that either. Unless the control operators of the
> satellite (e.g., AO-91) made a decision in that vein, then the bird is
> open to all comers.
>
> Paul's post mentioned that the FM birds open up the hobby to a lot of
> people. That means the FM birds are going to have new people on them,
> and I think good operating practice indicates that people are welcomed
> on satellites, and if they make a mistake, the "suggestion" to improve
> their operating practice occurs in such a way that they aren't shamed,
> i.e., a tasteful email or perhaps even a snail mail.
>
> His post also mentioned that he monitored Twitter and took some other
> steps while preparing for the pass. I have to be honest and say I'm
> not a big social media person. I only opened up a Facebook page last
> year, and don't really know or care to know how to get on Twitter.
> Other than checking when AOS occurs, I typically don't do that much
> preparation for a pass. I don't think that disqualifies me from being
> able to operate on the birds. Like I said above, I will back off if
> I'm aware that there's a rare grid square on there, but I don't always
> know that's the case. All of us are coming within the footprint of
> the bird at different times, and so the newest person in the footprint
> won't always know what's happening at that moment.
>
> I guess the reason why this thread affected me to the point that I
> felt the need to reply is that I could see the situation degenerating
> very quickly into a war between two classes of operators. And then,
> given the nature of FM birds, it will be impossible for anyone to use
> them (it would be relatively easy for one angry operator to jam the
> bird during a pass), short of handing out CTSS tone codes to a select
> group. Until something like that happens, the satellites are a shared
> resource, and we're always going to be faced with folks who screw up
unintentionally.
> I'd just hate to see a flame war on the birds like we sometimes see on
> the internet.
>
> I'm not suggesting that satellite operating is "The Wild Wild West".
> I think it's just a matter of education, and courtesy.
>
> Admittedly, I'm on the FM birds rarely (I've operated AO-91 exactly
> once). I prefer the linear transponder satellites with their
> opportunity to have a real conversation as opposed to shouting out
> grid squares, but recognize (as Adrian points out in his post) that
> the setup for those birds requires more infrastructure that may be
> beyond a lot of people. However, I've been around a while (my first
> satellite QSO was on RS-10 back in 1994) and I remember how excited I
> was when I made my first QSO's, and know how devastated I would have
> been if someone called me out in a public forum because I did
> something wrong that I didn't know was wrong.
>
> All I'm asking for is that all operators in good faith be granted a
> modicum of courtesy, and we should be careful before deciding that
> someone is acting in bad faith. I love this hobby and my heart aches
> at some of the stuff I've heard on 75 meters, and on the local 2 meter
> repeaters. I'd hate to see that transfer over to the satellite
> community, which by and large, seems to be pretty professional.
>
> See you all on the birds. 73 de Bernie, KF0QS
>
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