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Today's Topics:
1. Upcoming ARISS contact with Summa-Aldapeta, Donostia-San
Sebasti?n, Spain (n4csitwo@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx
2. Re: Behavior on FM Satellites (Jim Beeson)
3. Re: Behavior on FM Satellites (Paul Stoetzer)
4. How-to for FM sats (was Behavior on FM Satellites) (Brad Brooks)
5. Re: How-to for FM sats (was Behavior on FM Satellites)
(Paul Stoetzer)
6. FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and
Experienced Operators (Paul Stoetzer)
7. Re: FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and
Experienced Operators (Zach Metzinger)
8. Re: FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and
Experienced Operators (Tucker McGuire)
9. Re: FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and
Experienced Operators (Sean K.)
10. Re: FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and
Experienced Operators (Matthew Stevens)
11. Re: FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and
Experienced Operators (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 12:28:18 -0500
From: <n4csitwo@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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<ariss-press@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS contact with Summa-Aldapeta,
Donostia-San Sebasti?n, Spain
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An International Space Station school contact has been planned with
participants at Summa-Aldapeta, Donostia-San Sebasti?n, Spain on 12 Dec. The
event is scheduled to begin at approximately 13:01 UTC. The duration of the
contact is approximately 9 minutes and 30 seconds. The contact will be
direct between OR4ISS and EG2SMA. The contact should be audible over Spain
and adjacent areas. Interested parties are invited to listen in on the
145.80 MHz downlink. The contact is expected to be conducted in English and
Spanish.
Summa Aldapeta is a Catholic co-educational school owned by three religious
orders, The Society of Mary - (Marianist brothers and priests), The
Daughters of Mary Immaculate (Marianist sisters) and the Order of the
Company of Mary our Lady and operated by agreement with the educational
authorities. Through a unique collaboration, it has served the city for more
than a hundred years.
The school is located in three close premises in the city centre of San
Sebastian- Donostia, north of Spain. These three buildings give us the
possibility of adapting to the needs of today's students and allow us to
have a much closer relationship with students and their families.
Nowadays there are around 2,000 students from the age of 1 up to the age of
18 at Summa Aldapeta, with a dedicated staff, truly dedicated to the spirit
of educating the whole student, engaged in innovation and new methodologies.
We offer our students, families and society an integral and quality
education. Our goal in education is to develop every student as a person,
educating them to interact and communicate with others, stimulating their
abilities, educating them in healthy lifestyles and equality. We share these
goals with our families and society.
The city has been selected as European Capital of Culture for 2016 (shared
with Wroclaw, Poland).
Communication in its different ways plays a key role in Cultural exchange
among nations. Amateur radio operators have been, since their very
beginnings 100 years ago, a perfect example of the idea of culture
"solidarity". They have played an active role in many humanitarian
interventions in natural disasters, medicine searches or missing people.
These are values we want to share in Summa Aldapeta.
Participants will ask as many of the following questions as time allows:
1. What did you have to study to be an astronaut?
2. Por qu? motivo decidiste ir al espacio?
3. If you had to go to the space forever, would you do it?
4. Resulta dif?cil convivir con personas de otros pa?ses y culturas en la
Estaci?n Espacial?
5. What do you do when you feel sick or get injured in the ISS?
6. Qu? hac?is cuando ten?is problemas t?cnicos en la nave?
7. What kind of experiments do you conduct up there?
8. C?mo pas?is el tiempo libre en la Estaci?n Espacial?
9. How often do you contact with your families?
10. Piensas que alg?n d?a viviremos en otro planeta?
11. How do you treat the rubbish you produce in the ISS?
12. C?mo recib?s las noticias de lo que est? ocurriendo en la Tierra?
13. What is the most exciting sensation while you are in the vacuum of space?
14. Hab?is vivido alguna vez una situaci?n peligrosa en la soledad del
espacio?
15. Is the ISS a comfortable place?
16. Qu? es lo que m?s echar?s en falta de la Estaci?n Espacial cuando
regreses a la Tierra?
17. How do you have a shower or clean your clothes in the ISS?
18. Cu?l es el olor que predomina en la Estaci?n Espacial?
19. When you need surgery, does any of your co-workers do it?
20. Cu?l es la misi?n m?s complicada a la que os hab?is enfrentado en el
espacio?
2. Why did you decide to go to space?
4. Is living together with people from different countries difficult?
6. What do you do if you have technical problems in the spaceship?
8. How do you have fun in the ISS?
10. Do you think we will live in another planet someday?
12. How do you catch up with the news on Earth?
14. Have you ever lived a dangerous situation being alone in the space?
16. What will you miss most when you come back to Earth?
18. What does the ISS smell like?
20. Which mission has been the most difficult one in the ISS?
PLEASE CHECK THE FOLLOWING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON ARISS UPDATES:
Visit ARISS on Facebook. We can be found at Amateur Radio on the
International Space Station (ARISS).
To receive our Twitter updates, follow @xxxxxxxxxxxx
Next planned event(s):
TBD
About ARISS:
Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) is a cooperative
venture of international amateur radio societies and the space agencies that
support the International Space Station (ISS). In the United States,
sponsors are the Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT), the American
Radio Relay League (ARRL), the Center for the Advancement of Science in
Space (CASIS) and National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA).
The primary goal of ARISS is to promote exploration of science, technology,
engineering, and mathematics (STEM) topics by organizing scheduled contacts
via amateur radio between crew members aboard the ISS and students in
classrooms or informal education venues. With the help of experienced
amateur radio volunteers, ISS crews speak directly with large audiences in a
variety of public forums. Before and during these radio contacts, students,
teachers, parents, and communities learn about space, space technologies,
and amateur radio. For more informa
tion, see www.ariss.org, www.amsat.org, and www.arrl.org.
Thank you & 73,
David - AA4KN
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 11:54:15 -0600
From: Jim Beeson <jim@xxxxxx.xx>
To: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
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Paul while I agree whole heartily with your intent your bed side manor could
stand improvement.
73,s
Jim Beeson
WA5QAP
> On Dec 10, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> Good afternoon,
>
> During the last AO-91 pass, there were many interesting stations on,
> but in particular there were two low power rovers in rare grids: FG8OJ
> was in FK95 and C6AWD/MM (AC0RA) was in FL25 (an entirely wet grid
> that the ship will only be in for a short period of time).
>
> Yet, even while those two were in the footprint, stations were calling
> other fixed stations that they can work on any pass of any satellite,
> day or night. Right now, we have 14 satellites where you can make a
> QSO with a guy next door. There's no need to work a hundred stations
> on every pass of AO-91, especially when two guys in rare grids with
> low power equipment are attempting to hand them out. It's all about
> situational awareness. Pay attention to what grid ops are going to be
> on a pass (monitoring Twitter, Facebook, and the BB prior to a pass
> are handy for this), listen before you transmit, noting anything that
> seems rare, and wait to make other QSOs until the rare stations are
> out of the footprint. And please don't keep calling stations when they
> are out of the footprint. Learn your geography and/or look at a map,
> please!
>
> This is how I approached the pass: From monitoring Twitter, I was well
> aware that there would be two rare rovers on (the two I mentioned
> before). I did not need FG8OJ in FK95, so I did not call him. However,
> FL25 is a hole in my map. When I heard C6AWD/MM in FL25, I made my
> call, worked him, and then didn't attempt any more QSOs until he was
> out of the footprint (this included not responding to a person that
> called me).
>
> I know this is not the first time this topic has been raised, but
> behavior has been especially terrible since the launch of AO-91.
> Eventually, I and others will be forced to name and shame stations
> engaged in poor behavior. FM satellites are wonderful in that the
> simple, inexpensive equipment required to work them opens up the
> amateur satellite hobby to a large number of people. However, since
> they are a single channel covering a wide area, they also demand a
> good amount of situational awareness and courtesy when operating.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 13:13:41 -0500
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx>
To: Jim Beeson <jim@xxxxxx.xx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
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Even the nicest doctors can get blunt when a patient doesn't listen to
repeated admonishments for over two decades!
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 12:54 PM, Jim Beeson <jim@xxxxxx.xx> wrote:
> Paul while I agree whole heartily with your intent your bed side manor could
> stand improvement.
>
> 73,s
>
>
>
> Jim Beeson
> WA5QAP
>
> On Dec 10, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> Good afternoon,
>
> During the last AO-91 pass, there were many interesting stations on,
> but in particular there were two low power rovers in rare grids: FG8OJ
> was in FK95 and C6AWD/MM (AC0RA) was in FL25 (an entirely wet grid
> that the ship will only be in for a short period of time).
>
> Yet, even while those two were in the footprint, stations were calling
> other fixed stations that they can work on any pass of any satellite,
> day or night. Right now, we have 14 satellites where you can make a
> QSO with a guy next door. There's no need to work a hundred stations
> on every pass of AO-91, especially when two guys in rare grids with
> low power equipment are attempting to hand them out. It's all about
> situational awareness. Pay attention to what grid ops are going to be
> on a pass (monitoring Twitter, Facebook, and the BB prior to a pass
> are handy for this), listen before you transmit, noting anything that
> seems rare, and wait to make other QSOs until the rare stations are
> out of the footprint. And please don't keep calling stations when they
> are out of the footprint. Learn your geography and/or look at a map,
> please!
>
> This is how I approached the pass: From monitoring Twitter, I was well
> aware that there would be two rare rovers on (the two I mentioned
> before). I did not need FG8OJ in FK95, so I did not call him. However,
> FL25 is a hole in my map. When I heard C6AWD/MM in FL25, I made my
> call, worked him, and then didn't attempt any more QSOs until he was
> out of the footprint (this included not responding to a person that
> called me).
>
> I know this is not the first time this topic has been raised, but
> behavior has been especially terrible since the launch of AO-91.
> Eventually, I and others will be forced to name and shame stations
> engaged in poor behavior. FM satellites are wonderful in that the
> simple, inexpensive equipment required to work them opens up the
> amateur satellite hobby to a large number of people. However, since
> they are a single channel covering a wide area, they also demand a
> good amount of situational awareness and courtesy when operating.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 13:01:23 -0600
From: Brad Brooks <brad.wf7t@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] How-to for FM sats (was Behavior on FM Satellites)
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I would like to help, with other operators participation, compile a how-to
for working sats.
Wiki? Google docs? GitHub?
I can host a wiki instance (or others CMS) if needed. My time is otherwise
fairly constrained, but I am happy to pitch in where I am able.
Thoughts?
Brad WF7T
>
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 14:15:58 -0500
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx>
To: Brad Brooks <brad.wf7t@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] How-to for FM sats (was Behavior on FM
Satellites)
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There's a draft document circulating now. Stay tuned!
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Brad Brooks <brad.wf7t@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> I would like to help, with other operators participation, compile a how-to
for working sats.
>
> Wiki? Google docs? GitHub?
>
> I can host a wiki instance (or others CMS) if needed. My time is otherwise
fairly constrained, but I am happy to pitch in where I am able.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Brad WF7T
>
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:55:05 -0500
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
Beginning and Experienced Operators
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Sean Kutzko, KX9X, has written a helpful document explaining good
operating practices for working FM satellites. It's been posted to the
AMSAT website at
https://www.amsat.org/fm-satellites-good-operating-practices-for-beginning-and
-experienced-operators/
A PDF version is also available at
https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/FM-Satellites-Best-
Practices.pdf
73,
Paul Stoetzer, N8HM
Executive Vice President
Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT-NA)
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:48:27 -0600
From: Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
Beginning and Experienced Operators
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On 12/11/17 14:55, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
> Sean Kutzko, KX9X, has written a helpful document explaining good
> operating practices for working FM satellites. It's been posted to the
> AMSAT website at
>
https://www.amsat.org/fm-satellites-good-operating-practices-for-beginning-and
-experienced-operators/
While I think that _most_ of these guidelines are good, I disagree with #6.
6. Rare/Portable Stations Take Priority
This prioritizes the chase-a-grid-square game players, which not
everyone cares about.
If you want to play that game, go use a linear bird with more available
bandwidth. The easy sats should be reserved for new satellite operators,
which, buy definition, will be less experienced and not care much about
your fancy grid squares.
73,
--- Zach
N0ZGO
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:20:54 -0500
From: Tucker McGuire <tucker@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT -BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
Beginning and Experienced Operators
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Actually, grid squares are not "fancy". They're quite simple really. They
are just 1? latitude x 2? longitude boundaries.
Cheers & 73,
Tucker
W4FS
On Dec 11, 2017 4:49 PM, "Zach Metzinger" <zmetzing@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
On 12/11/17 14:55, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
> Sean Kutzko, KX9X, has written a helpful document explaining good
> operating practices for working FM satellites. It's been posted to the
> AMSAT website at
> https://www.amsat.org/fm-satellites-good-operating-
practices-for-beginning-and-experienced-operators/
While I think that _most_ of these guidelines are good, I disagree with #6.
6. Rare/Portable Stations Take Priority
This prioritizes the chase-a-grid-square game players, which not
everyone cares about.
If you want to play that game, go use a linear bird with more available
bandwidth. The easy sats should be reserved for new satellite operators,
which, buy definition, will be less experienced and not care much about
your fancy grid squares.
73,
--- Zach
N0ZGO
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 22:25:52 +0000 (UTC)
From: "Sean K." <kx9x@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, Zach Metzinger
<zmetzing@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
Beginning and Experienced Operators
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Hi Zach-
The entire point reads:
"It is common for satellite operators to take their equipment with them to
portable locations, to transmit from rare grid squares or other DX
countries. Courtesy should be extended to these stations; they are providing
a rare location to all satellite operators and will be at that location for
a limited time. If you hear a station on from a rare grid or DXCC entity,
use good judgement before calling stations in more common grids. If the
rarer station is working a lot of people on a pass, it may be best to let
that station work as many people as possible. There will always be another
pass to work more common stations. Info on how to know when rare stations
will be on is at the bottom of this list."
I understand your statement that the FM satellites should be reserved for
newcomers. Newcomers come in many different countries and locales, and some
of those newcomers like to go on vacations or business trips that happen to
be in a rare grid.?
Grid chasing is one of the primary forms of recreation on the satellites;
indeed, the grid square is the default exchange for all satellite QSOs. My
point said that operators should "use good judgement" when you're on a pass
that will feature a station in a rare location.
Veteran satellite operator John, K8YSE, wrote about the same thing several
years ago on his web site:
"
A Word about signing "PORTABLE"
You can say and do whatever you want regarding operating "portable" or
"handheld" or "on the Arrow" etc., but it doesn't provide much useful
information with one exception: When you stated you were operating
"portable" under the FCC rules in the 1960's, it meant you were not at your
home station location. It had nothing to do with operating with an HT or on
emergency battery power. This was an FCC requirement back then but now it is
not. When operating today, be sure to say you are /portable when you are not
at home and especially when you are operating in a grid different from your
home grid. Hearing someone signing "portable" should set off alarm bells
that you might want to work this station and may want to give them airtime
to work as many stations as they can. After all, they have gone to the
trouble to operate away from their "home comfort zone" to possibly give
someone a new grid. But if others sign "portable" when they are in their
backyard on an HT, this indicator won't mean
much. Consider using "portable" only when you are away from home. If the
pass is not crowded, have at it. But if it is, you'll have the opportunity
to work everyone again later, whereas the "portable" station may only be
there for that pass. Give the portable station as much airtime as possible
so that everyone can make a contact, possibly for a new grid. Common sense
should prevail. Listen, figure out what is going on, and then operate
appropriately. But above all, be courteous."
http://www.papays.com/sat/general.html
As I emphasized throughout my Best Practices document, we all have to try
and work together to find a bit of order during FM passes. If an op is going
to be in a high-demand grid square or DXCC entity, I'm personally going to
choose to try and work only that station (if I need the unit) or lay back
entirely and let the rarer station work the pass; there's another pass or
another satellite coming by soon that I can work for recreation. This
courtesy has been extended to me several times when I've activated rare
grids, and I want to make sure I extend that courtesy to others.
Some people don't care about grid chasing, and that's fine. But some do. And
rare stations aren't on every pass. Being flexible and approaching from a
spirit of shared use benefits all in the long run, and makes it more
inviting for people to take gear to rarer locales. It's an easy way for ops
to get a taste of being on the other side of a pileup, if they wish.
Hope to work you soon.
Sean Kutzko Amateur Radio KX9X
On Monday, December 11, 2017, 4:48:46 PM EST, Zach Metzinger
<zmetzing@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
On 12/11/17 14:55, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
> Sean Kutzko, KX9X, has written a helpful document explaining good
> operating practices for working FM satellites. It's been posted to the
> AMSAT website at
>
https://www.amsat.org/fm-satellites-good-operating-practices-for-beginning-and
-experienced-operators/
While I think that _most_ of these guidelines are good, I disagree with #6.
6. Rare/Portable Stations Take Priority
This prioritizes the chase-a-grid-square game players, which not
everyone cares about.
If you want to play that game, go use a linear bird with more available
bandwidth. The easy sats should be reserved for new satellite operators,
which, buy definition, will be less experienced and not care much about
your fancy grid squares.
73,
--- Zach
N0ZGO
_______________________________________________
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to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:38:03 -0500
From: Matthew Stevens <matthew@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
Beginning and Experienced Operators
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Nothing wrong with that guideline, it?s just common sense. Doesn?t have
anything to do with what you call ?chase-a-grid? game players. Last Saturday
I was operating as WX4TOR at a weather station in Ruskin Florida, for
Skywarn recognition day. The grid was EL87, but no one cared about that, I
didn?t even include it in the exchange most of the time. I got on a couple
of FM passes, AO-85 and AO-91. People on the pass seemed to want to work me
(a ?special event? station which I don?t even have the ability to QSL for),
as well as Patrick, WD9EWK who was at a hamfest in Arizona.
AO-85 was a fun pass, patrick and I worked many stations who were calling
both of us. AO-91 also went well, until another op at his home station in
Arizona began calling every person he heard - including several who were not
calling him, rather they were calling me and/or Patrick! Instead of allowing
the portable station who a person was calling answer, this op called them
instead! Around 1/2 of the pass was tied up in this manner, while this op
worked a bunch of people he could easily work on any pass, any day. At least
2 people who called me, I was not able to answer because of this other op
who used enough power that my attempts to
reply were drowned out; and I heard the same happen to Patrick several times.
Why do I mention this? Because THAT is what Sean?s ?Rule 6? is intended to
address. Who cares about grid squares particularly...it?s just courteous to
give priority to the guy who has taken his time to stand out along the side
of a road, at a hamfest, doing a demo for a club, or yes even handing out
rare grid squares or DX entities.
73 from someone who?s been on both sides of the pileup.
- Matthew nj4y
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> On Dec 11, 2017, at 16:48, Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
>> On 12/11/17 14:55, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
>> Sean Kutzko, KX9X, has written a helpful document explaining good
>> operating practices for working FM satellites. It's been posted to the
>> AMSAT website at
>>
https://www.amsat.org/fm-satellites-good-operating-practices-for-beginning-and
-experienced-operators/
>
> While I think that _most_ of these guidelines are good, I disagree with #6.
>
> 6. Rare/Portable Stations Take Priority
>
> This prioritizes the chase-a-grid-square game players, which not
> everyone cares about.
>
> If you want to play that game, go use a linear bird with more available
> bandwidth. The easy sats should be reserved for new satellite operators,
> which, buy definition, will be less experienced and not care much about
> your fancy grid squares.
>
> 73,
>
> --- Zach
> N0ZGO
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 23:01:01 +0000
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: "Sean K." <kx9x@xxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
Beginning and Experienced Operators
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Sean,
Nice document. Thanks for writing it! Even the section for rare
and portable stations is putting in writing what many operators have
been doing for a long time. I don't expect to get an FM satellite all
to myself whenever I have operated away from home, and I have done
that a lot over the past decade or so from lots of locations. NJ4Y is
correct in what he said about a recent Saturday where he and I were
operating from special events. He and I have done this sort of "tag
team" operating from different rare or unusual locations on satellite
passes over the past year or so - especially during 2016's NPOTA
activity.
One issue I see is with point 4. The basic premise is spot-on - don't
call CQ. It is unfortunate that the assumption here is that the issues
are with the operator's station
?,?
if nobody has responded after giving
his/her call sign and grid locator a few times. If the station is being
operated full-duplex, the operator will know straight away if his/her
signals are making it through the satellite. A different way of stating
the last part of this section could be...
"If you have given your callsign several times and are not getting calls,
try calling other stations you have already heard on the pass. Sometimes,
many stations are announcing themselves, but few are taking the initiative
to call another station. If that doesn't work, it may then be helpful to
examine your station before transmitting again."
Many times, or dare I say *too* many times, there are bunches of stations
announcing themselves on a pass, but nobody tries to call these stations.
The equipment at those stations could be working fine, but everyone else
isn't paying attention to what could be a new operator's call sign or even
a rare grid locator. I have lots of recordings that illustrate this. Sure,
there could be other issues with the operator's equipment at play, but it
seems like jumping to that conclusion might be premature. Listening for
these stations, and calling them, may help spark an interest in this part
of our hobby. You never know what you might end up with in your log - like
a new grid locator, for example.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @xxxxxx or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
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