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Today's Topics:
1. Re: FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and
Experienced Operators (VA3MA - Dan Howard)
2. Re: FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and
Experienced Operators (Bryan KL7CN)
3. Re: FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and
Experienced Operators (Devin L. Ganger)
4. Re: FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and
Experienced Operators (H. Stephen Nipper)
5. Re: FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and
Experienced Operators (Burns Fisher)
6. u110 rotor (mikflathead@xxx.xxxx
7. Re: u110 rotor (Greg D)
8. Rocket Lab Launch Update (Wendy and Terry Osborne)
9. Yaesu FIF-232C for sale (Andrew Glasbrenner)
10. Re: Yaesu FIF-232C for sale (Andrew Glasbrenner)
11. Rocket Lab launch nowlive streaming (Wendy and Terry Osborne)
12. Re: Rocket Lab launch nowlive streaming (B J)
13. Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2017-12-12 05:00 UTC
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 22:44:03 +0000
From: VA3MA - Dan Howard <va3ma.va3ma@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
Beginning and Experienced Operators
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Zach
While I respect your views on #6
I disagree
Rovers spend lots of time and personal funds to activate rare and non-ham
populated grids for FMer's
As the Ham Creed states - a Ham is always courteous to all operations
73
Dan VA3MA
On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 4:49 PM Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> On 12/11/17 14:55, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
> > Sean Kutzko, KX9X, has written a helpful document explaining good
> > operating practices for working FM satellites. It's been posted to the
> > AMSAT website at
> >
>
https://www.amsat.org/fm-satellites-good-operating-practices-for-beginning-and
-experienced-operators/
>
> While I think that _most_ of these guidelines are good, I disagree with #6.
>
> 6. Rare/Portable Stations Take Priority
>
> This prioritizes the chase-a-grid-square game players, which not
> everyone cares about.
>
> If you want to play that game, go use a linear bird with more available
> bandwidth. The easy sats should be reserved for new satellite operators,
> which, buy definition, will be less experienced and not care much about
> your fancy grid squares.
>
> 73,
>
> --- Zach
> N0ZGO
>
>
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--
73
Dan VA3MA
Please note my new email
va3ma.va3ma@xxxxx.xxx
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:31:53 -0800
From: Bryan KL7CN <bryan@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Sean Kutzko <kx9x@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
Beginning and Experienced Operators
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Well done on all counts!
Given that grid chasing will be even much more popular in 2018, it's good to
see the special comments around that activity!
-- bag
Bryan KL7CN/W6
Location: CM98, usually
E-Mail: bryan@xxxxx.xxx
Telephone/SMS: 408-836-7279
> On Dec 11, 2017, at 12:55, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> Sean Kutzko, KX9X, has written a helpful document explaining good
> operating practices for working FM satellites. It's been posted to the
> AMSAT website at
>
https://www.amsat.org/fm-satellites-good-operating-practices-for-beginning-and
-experienced-operators/
>
> A PDF version is also available at
>
https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/FM-Satellites-Best-
Practices.pdf
>
> 73,
>
> Paul Stoetzer, N8HM
> Executive Vice President
> Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT-NA)
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 23:35:42 +0000
From: "Devin L. Ganger" <devin@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@xxxxx.xxx>, "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
Beginning and Experienced Operators
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Sir,
I see the point you're trying to make. However, I have a couple of thoughts:
1) Dismissing others' interests in amateur radio only leads to them to
dismiss yours.
2) Asking people to recognize others' interests and *consider* adjusting
their *current* operational practices accordingly is simply the basis of
good situational awareness. Indeed, it is simply an expansion of "listen
before you transmit" -- you are listening to see if there is an unusual
amount of operational activity on a given pass.
3) I qualify as a "new satellite operator" and while I can only speak for
myself, I do not fit your characterization. While I do not know if I will
pursue the grid-based awards, I know that it is a strong and attractive
component to satellite ops, and sooner or later I suspect I'll end up both
hunting them and going to activate the out-of-the-way grids in my area.
4) We newbies also need to learn one very, very important aspect about this
hobby that is not emphasized enough -- PATIENCE. Things are always changing.
Things are always cycling. Problems take time to chase down. New skills take
time to acquire and perfect. There is always another pass. Teaching the
fundamentals of "your neighbor isn't going to operate the way you do and
that's okay, so learn how to co-exist" is one of the most basic skills
amateur radios operators CAN and SHOULD be modeling and learning.
However, perhaps the community can come up with some appropriate verbiage
and guidelines with which to amend Sean's guide around selecting appropriate
satellites for the kind of operation you're doing. Ease of use is one factor
to consider, but ubiquity is another. With a Baofeng and a cheap antenna, I
can hit the FM birds AND start chasing grid squares. If we force the grid
chasers off FM, that makes it a much more expensive proposition and means
it's less likely the newbies are going to find it and get involved. Are
certain satellites considered the same as simplex calling frequencies (and
should they be)? Are the first X minutes of a pass reserved for new
operators (and how do you determine when the first X minutes are, a
non-trivial problem)?
--
Devin L. Ganger (WA7DLG)
email:?devin@xxxxxxxx.xxx
web:?Devin on Earth
cell:?+1 425.239.2575
-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On Behalf Of Zach Metzinger
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 1:48 PM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
Beginning and Experienced Operators
On 12/11/17 14:55, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
> Sean Kutzko, KX9X, has written a helpful document explaining good
> operating practices for working FM satellites. It's been posted to the
> AMSAT website at
> https://www.amsat.org/fm-satellites-good-operating-practices-for-begin
> ning-and-experienced-operators/
While I think that _most_ of these guidelines are good, I disagree with #6.
6. Rare/Portable Stations Take Priority
This prioritizes the chase-a-grid-square game players, which not everyone
cares about.
If you want to play that game, go use a linear bird with more available
bandwidth. The easy sats should be reserved for new satellite operators,
which, buy definition, will be less experienced and not care much about your
fancy grid squares.
73,
--- Zach
N0ZGO
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:49:33 -0700
From: "H. Stephen Nipper" <stephennipper@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Bryan KL7CN <bryan@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, Sean Kutzko
<kx9x@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
Beginning and Experienced Operators
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I have just been sitting back and listening to all of the traffic and QRM
on every pass, hoping for the new to wear off and then I can make a few
contacts.
Wishing us all a great new year, and lets remember that ham radio is
supposed to be FUN.
Stephen N7DJX dn13
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 19:13:53 -0500
From: Burns Fisher <burns@xxxxxx.xx>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
Beginning and Experienced Operators
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Good work Sean!
Number 6 seems to be the most controversial. I do believe that many new
folks are still interested in catching the "rare" QSO. I'd suggest,
though, that instead of prioritizing "rare grids" you prioritize "special
short term stations". You might give as examples rare grid squares,
portable stations and special event stations (easily recognizable by their
1x1 calls). Maybe even suggest giving priority to weak-sounding stations.
Any other ideas about priorities?
73,
Burns W2BFJ
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 19:25:57 -0500
From: mikflathead@xxx.xxx
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] u110 rotor
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Is it possible to use a U110 rotor with a tracking program? I am in the
planning stages and would like to have the computer track the birds. Thanks
Mike
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:22:53 -0800
From: Greg D <ko6th.greg@xxxxx.xxx>
To: mikflathead@xxx.xxx
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] u110 rotor
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Hi Mike,
Possible? Yes, but not with any of the usual controllers. I built one
of my own from a Basic Stamp-II many years ago. See the links at the
top of http://home.wavecable.com/~ko6th/
Good luck!
Greg KO6TH
WB8PFZ via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Is it possible to use a U110 rotor with a tracking program? I am in the
planning stages and would like to have the computer track the birds. Thanks
Mike
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 14:37:49 +1300
From: "Wendy and Terry Osborne" <wandtosborne@xxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Update
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Launch window now at 16:00 NZDT (03:00 UTC) at he earliest.
See: https://twitter.com/RocketLab
Live stream from here :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_oAGlhFezo&feature=youtu.be
Starting at 15:30 NZDT (02:30 UTC).
73,
Terry Osborne ZL2BAC
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:59:43 -0500
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "'AMSAT BB'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Yaesu FIF-232C for sale
Message-ID: <0ed801d372ec$e10250b0$a306f210$@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I have a FIF-232C CAT level adapter and 6 pin DIN cable available to anyone
who needs it. This came from a local AMSAT member who passed on, and I
believe it was in use with his FT-736. It works with these rigs: FT-650,
FT-736, FT-747GX, FT-757GXII, FT-767GX, FT-840, FT-890, FT-990, FT-1000D,
<https://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/commrxvr/2786.html> FRG-100,
FRG-8800 and FRG-9600. It powers on, but I have no way to further test it.
$40 shipped USPS in the US.
73, Drew KO4MA
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:11:54 -0500
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "'AMSAT BB'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Yaesu FIF-232C for sale
Message-ID: <0edd01d372ee$94c815c0$be584140$@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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Weird...well now you know where I lifted the model list from!
D
-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On Behalf Of Andrew
Glasbrenner
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 9:00 PM
To: 'AMSAT BB' <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Yaesu FIF-232C for sale
I have a FIF-232C CAT level adapter and 6 pin DIN cable available to anyone
who needs it. This came from a local AMSAT member who passed on, and I
believe it was in use with his FT-736. It works with these rigs: FT-650,
FT-736, FT-747GX, FT-757GXII, FT-767GX, FT-840, FT-890, FT-990, FT-1000D,
<https://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/commrxvr/2786.html> FRG-100,
FRG-8800 and FRG-9600. It powers on, but I have no way to further test it.
$40 shipped USPS in the US.
73, Drew KO4MA
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 16:36:59 +1300
From: "Wendy and Terry Osborne" <wandtosborne@xxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab launch nowlive streaming
Message-ID: <691E253E14E54BDABC5F5432520370AD@xxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
See: https://www.rocketlabusa.com/live-stream/
73,
Terry ZL2BAC
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 03:58:08 +0000
From: B J <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Wendy and Terry Osborne <wandtosborne@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab launch nowlive streaming
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The engines ignited were cut off right after T-0. The launch has been
scrubbed for today.
73s
Bernhard VA6BMJ @ CO96NG
On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 3:36 AM, Wendy and Terry Osborne <
wandtosborne@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> See: https://www.rocketlabusa.com/live-stream/
>
> 73,
> Terry ZL2BAC
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 00:27:36 -0500
From: AJ9N@xxx.xxx
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2017-12-12
05:00 UTC
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Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2017-12-12 05:00 UTC
Quick list of scheduled contacts and events:
Shirokawa Elementary School, Seiyo, Japan, direct via 8J5SS
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Paolo Nespoli (***)
Contact was successful: Mon 2017-12-11 11:06:25 UTC 70 deg (***)
Antietam Elementary School, Woodbridge, VA, direct via KM4TAY
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Mark Vande Hei KG5GNP (***)
Contact was successful: Mon 2017-12-11 18:30:10 UTC 36 deg (***)
Summa-Aldapeta, Donostia-San Sebasti?n, Spain, direct via EG2SMA
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be OR4ISS
The scheduled astronaut is Joe Acaba KE5DAR
Contact is a go for: Tue 2017-12-12 13:01:28 UTC 84 deg
Watch for live stream at http://www.summa-aldapeta.com/ISS/ (***)
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**
ARISS is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.
ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance. Feel free to send
your reports to aj9n@xxxxx.xxx or aj9n@xxx.xxx.
Listen for the ISS on the downlink of 145.8? MHz.
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***
All ARISS contacts are made via the Kenwood radio unless otherwise noted.
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***
Several of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and
not being able to get in. That has now been changed to
http://www.ariss.org/
Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.
****************************************************************************
Looking for something new to do? How about receiving DATV from the ISS?
If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for complete
details. Look for the buttons indicating Ham Video.
http://www.ariss-eu.org/
If you need some assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to
provide some insight. Contact Kerry at kbanke@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
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ARISS congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100
schools:
Francesco IK?WGF with 132
Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 126 (***)
Gaston ON4WF with 123
Sergey RV3DR with 100
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The webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy. Out of date
webpages were removed and new ones have been added. If there are
additional
ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me know.
Note, all times are approximate. It is recommended that you do your own
orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before the listed
time.
All dates and times listed follow International Standard ISO 8601 date and
time format YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS
The complete schedule page has been updated as of 2017-12-06 06:30 UTC.
(***)
Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and
questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and
instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.txt
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1196.
Each school counts as 1 event.
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1145.
Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot.
Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47.
A complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the
file.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf
Please feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are needed.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact:
Arkansas, Delaware, South Dakota, Wyoming, American Samoa, Guam, Northern
Marianas Islands, and the Virgin Islands.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
QSL information may be found at:
http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html
ISS callsigns: DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS, RS?ISS
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The successful school list has been updated as of 2017-12-05 07:00 UTC.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf
Frequency chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing
Doppler correction as of 2005-07-29 04:00 UTC
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction
.rtf
Listing of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30 UTC.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf
Check out the Zoho reports of the ARISS contacts
https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415
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Exp. 52 on orbit
Randy Bresnik
Paolo Nespoli IZ?JPA
Sergey Ryazanskiy
Exp. 53 on orbit
Mark Vande Hei KG5GNP
Alexander Misurkin
Joe Acaba KE5DAR
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73,
Charlie Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team mentors
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