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Today's Topics:
1. Re: FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and
Experienced Operators (kg5jup)
2. Re: FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and
Experienced Operators (kg5jup)
3. Re: FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and
Experienced Operators (Sean K.)
4. Re: FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and
Experienced Operators (David Swanson)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 06:41:57 -0600
From: kg5jup <kg5jup@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Sean Waite <waisean@xxxxx.xxx>, "Devin L. Ganger"
<devin@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
Beginning and Experienced Operators
Message-ID: <5a312019.ee289d0a.7082e.41e2@xx.xxxxxx.xxx>
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This all times back to part 97 rules the bands belong to everyone but a
courtesy nod to DX chasers would be nice.? Personally the birds are not
taught enough in ham testing nor is repeater operation. The only rules we
need are part 97 and common sense.
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Sean Waite <waisean@xxxxx.xxx> Date:
12/12/17 20:15 (GMT-06:00) To: "Devin L. Ganger" <devin@xxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc:
amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating
Practices for
? Beginning and Experienced Operators
Bow ties are cool, too.
So we have a bunch of other uses for the birds. How does this fit into rule
6? Do rare grids make way for DX? Does DX make way for NBEMS?
I'm new to the satellite game, so I don't really have an opinion, but maybe
there is more discussion here than a simple dismissal. Maybe not. Almost
every grid is a new grid for me.
Sean WA1TE
On Tue, Dec 12, 2017, 20:31 Devin L. Ganger <devin@xxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> There's the "Doctor Who" reason:
>
> Satellites are COOL.
>
>
> --
> Devin L. Ganger (WA7DLG)
> email: devin@xxxxxxxx.xxx
> web: Devin on Earth
> cell: +1 425.239.2575
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On Behalf Of Mac A.
> Cody
> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 5:12 PM
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
> Beginning and Experienced Operators
>
> I would hope that another reason for working the satellites is
> experimentation to broaden the applications of amateur satellites. This is
> seen, of late, with the resurgence of 'Experimenter's Wednesday' on AO-85.
> I would like to see more experimentation in other areas.? Here are some
> examples and I'm sure that there are others:
>
> o Use of LEO satellites for emergency response traffic (e.g. Narrow Band
> Emergency Messaging Software - NBEMS).
>
> o Use/development of alternative modulation schemes on linear transponder
> satellites to enable more efficient use or lower the barrier to access (e.g.
> double-sideband
> modulation, digital voice, low-power digital modes).
>
> o Development and test of homebrew satellite ground stations to lower the
> barrier to working amateur satellites (e.g. antenna systems, filters,
> amplifiers, full-duplex transceivers).
>
> 73,
>
> Mac Cody - AE5PH
>
> On 12/12/2017 06:36 PM, Sean Waite wrote:
> > I'll bite. As far as I can tell, there are 2 main reasons for working
> > the satellites. Chasing grids and making contacts via space. This
> > includes both these acts as well as the fun of overcoming the
> > challenges of doing the same.
> >
> > Maybe Zach has a third option that we haven't considered, one that is
> > contrary to the grid hunt. Rag chews aren't really viable due to the
> > limited resource and short time, but there could be something else.
> >
> > 73,
> > Sean WA1TE
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017, 19:05 Jeff Johns <jeff30339@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> >
> >> I don?t have him on my logs either.
> >>
> >> Jeff WE4B
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, December 12, 2017, David Swanson <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Zach,
> >>>
> >>> Do you avoid Satellites too? I've looked thru my logs and I don't
> >>> have
> >> your
> >>> call in there. I've asked a few other prolific ops and they lack a
> >>> QSO
> >> with
> >>> you as well. Just curious why the strong feelings on Item 6 if
> >>> you're not active on the birds.
> >>>
> >>> 73,
> >>>
> >>> Dave, KG5CCI
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@xxxxx.xxx>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 12/12/17 14:25, John KI4RO wrote:
> >>>>> Just like rare DX Zach...you must be a great operator on HF
> >> too...Ugh!
> >>>>> 73
> >>>>> John KI4RO
> >>>> John,
> >>>>
> >>>> I generally avoid 160 meters, as there are too many on there who
> >>>> resort to disparaging insults.
> >>>>
> >>>> 73,
> >>>>
> >>>> --- Zach
> >>>> N0ZGO
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
> >>>> available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring
> membership.
> >>> Opinions
> >>>> expressed
> >>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
> >>>> views
> >> of
> >>>> AMSAT-NA.
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> >>> program!
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> >>>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> >>> available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring
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> >> program!
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> >>>
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> >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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> >> the official views of AMSAT-NA.
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> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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>
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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expressed
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AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 06:45:57 -0600
From: kg5jup <kg5jup@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "Sean K." <kx9x@xxxxx.xxx>, Sean Waite <waisean@xxxxx.xxx>, AMSAT
BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
Beginning and Experienced Operators
Message-ID: <5a312108.ee289d0a.7082e.4224@xx.xxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
I am a little disturbed that these ideas were just published no vote not
input.? I am a paying member I had no input.? Honest feel like a handful of
individuals who want to treat the birds like the extra class band when
convent and whine when they don't get their way.??
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: "Sean K. via AMSAT-BB"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx> Date: 12/12/17 21:48 (GMT-06:00) To: Sean Waite
<waisean@xxxxx.xxx>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb]
FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
? Beginning and Experienced Operators
Hi all-
Matthew NJ4Y and a few others put it more succinctly than I did: Item 6 in
my document is about extending courtesy to a station that goes to the
trouble of setting up away from their home or back yard. That can be for a
demo, a special event station at a hamfest, or a rare grid. All item 6 is
asking for is some consideration for that op's effort.
I live in grid FN31. It's a very common location. I tend to focus on calling
other stations on FM passes from Connecticut.
I activate other grids from time to time. When I do so, I usually take a
full-duplex linear station with me, so I can work the more capable stations
on SSB. But I still work FM passes, because there are some stations that
only have FM capability. Sometimes I only take an HT with me, and am limited
to FM only.?Here are a couple examples: This July, I was back home in
Illinois, and did a few SO50 passes from the EM59/EM69 grid line with my HT
and Arrow. EM69 is kind of rare (not sure why), so I was happy to hand it
out. One pass, I made 17 QSOs. Another pass, W4FS was on as K2J from North
Carolina for the 13 Colonies special event; we split the pass.... I took the
first half, Tucker took the second. It all worked out just fine, with no
advance planning or coordination.
One night, I'd announced on Twitter I was going to the grid line for an SO50
pass. AA5UK was in the Cayman Islands, and announced he was able to make a
quick trip to FK09, a very rare grid, but was only there for a day or so.
His access to passes was very limited and his time was short. He was in a
far rarer location than I was...he was going to be able to hand out a rare
grid and possibly a new DXCC entity for many people, so I bailed out and let
him take the pass. I went back to my grid line the next night, after AA5UK
had left his rare spot. No skin off my nose, and I didn't interfere with
people trying to work a much more enticing station than me.
That kind of courtesy and awareness is all item 6 is advocating for. If a
station is on from a different DXCC entity, a cruise ship handing out water
grids, or doing a demo at a Scout Jamboree, throw 'em a bone. If you were
the station of interest, I'd wager you would appreciate the opportunity.
And of course, if a bona fide emergency pops up and a LEO is the only way a
station can get a message out, then everybody else should stand by.
Sean Kutzko Amateur Radio KX9X
??? On Tuesday, December 12, 2017, 9:15:55 PM EST, Sean Waite
<waisean@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:?
Bow ties are cool, too.
So we have a bunch of other uses for the birds. How does this fit into rule
6? Do rare grids make way for DX? Does DX make way for NBEMS?
I'm new to the satellite game, so I don't really have an opinion, but maybe
there is more discussion here than a simple dismissal. Maybe not. Almost
every grid is a new grid for me.
Sean WA1TE
On Tue, Dec 12, 2017, 20:31 Devin L. Ganger <devin@xxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> There's the "Doctor Who" reason:
>
> Satellites are COOL.
>
>
> --
> Devin L. Ganger (WA7DLG)
> email: devin@xxxxxxxx.xxx
> web: Devin on Earth
> cell: +1 425.239.2575
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On Behalf Of Mac A.
> Cody
> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 5:12 PM
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
> Beginning and Experienced Operators
>
> I would hope that another reason for working the satellites is
> experimentation to broaden the applications of amateur satellites. This is
> seen, of late, with the resurgence of 'Experimenter's Wednesday' on AO-85.
> I would like to see more experimentation in other areas.? Here are some
> examples and I'm sure that there are others:
>
> o Use of LEO satellites for emergency response traffic (e.g. Narrow Band
> Emergency Messaging Software - NBEMS).
>
> o Use/development of alternative modulation schemes on linear transponder
> satellites to enable more efficient use or lower the barrier to access (e.g.
> double-sideband
> modulation, digital voice, low-power digital modes).
>
> o Development and test of homebrew satellite ground stations to lower the
> barrier to working amateur satellites (e.g. antenna systems, filters,
> amplifiers, full-duplex transceivers).
>
> 73,
>
> Mac Cody - AE5PH
>
> On 12/12/2017 06:36 PM, Sean Waite wrote:
> > I'll bite. As far as I can tell, there are 2 main reasons for working
> > the satellites. Chasing grids and making contacts via space. This
> > includes both these acts as well as the fun of overcoming the
> > challenges of doing the same.
> >
> > Maybe Zach has a third option that we haven't considered, one that is
> > contrary to the grid hunt. Rag chews aren't really viable due to the
> > limited resource and short time, but there could be something else.
> >
> > 73,
> > Sean WA1TE
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017, 19:05 Jeff Johns <jeff30339@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> >
> >> I don?t have him on my logs either.
> >>
> >> Jeff WE4B
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, December 12, 2017, David Swanson <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Zach,
> >>>
> >>> Do you avoid Satellites too? I've looked thru my logs and I don't
> >>> have
> >> your
> >>> call in there. I've asked a few other prolific ops and they lack a
> >>> QSO
> >> with
> >>> you as well. Just curious why the strong feelings on Item 6 if
> >>> you're not active on the birds.
> >>>
> >>> 73,
> >>>
> >>> Dave, KG5CCI
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@xxxxx.xxx>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 12/12/17 14:25, John KI4RO wrote:
> >>>>> Just like rare DX Zach...you must be a great operator on HF
> >> too...Ugh!
> >>>>> 73
> >>>>> John KI4RO
> >>>> John,
> >>>>
> >>>> I generally avoid 160 meters, as there are too many on there who
> >>>> resort to disparaging insults.
> >>>>
> >>>> 73,
> >>>>
> >>>> --- Zach
> >>>> N0ZGO
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
> >>>> available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring
> membership.
> >>> Opinions
> >>>> expressed
> >>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
> >>>> views
> >> of
> >>>> AMSAT-NA.
> >>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> >>> program!
> >>>> Subscription settings:
> >>>> http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >>>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
> >>> available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring
> membership.
> >> Opinions
> >>> expressed
> >>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
> >>> views of AMSAT-NA.
> >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> >> program!
> >>> Subscription settings:
> >>> http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >>>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> >> Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect
> >> the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect
> the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to
> all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
> views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
?
_______________________________________________
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to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:07:25 +0000 (UTC)
From: "Sean K." <kx9x@xxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
Beginning and Experienced Operators
Message-ID: <832425494.4489496.1513170445221@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
I proposed suggested guidelines. These are guidelines, not rules set in
stone by AMSAT leadership. Similar operating guidelines have been proposed
by other areas of ham radio, such as the DX Code of Conduct. Not everybody
adheres to those suggestions, either, to the detriment of the DX pileup (in
my opinion).
FM satellites are open to all. There has been a chronic issue with FM
satellites being congested, and in some cases, misused. This is discouraging
to operators who take the trouble to go elsewhere to operate, either to hand
out rare grids to other satellite users, or to put on a demonstration.
The more experienced operators often use the SSB sats to avoid these very
issues. Not everybody has that option. Part of this is stewardship; an
attempt to find a solution to the congestion issues that exist on the FM
satellites (and have for quite some time).
If this trend continues, my concern is the more experienced operators will
simply go to the SSB sats, leaving newcomers to fend for themselves on FM.
With no understanding of (or in some cases, interest in) sharing an FM sat
pass, new users will get discouraged because they can't work anybody and
give up. I don't believe anybody wants that to happen.
Sean Kutzko Amateur Radio KX9X
On Wednesday, December 13, 2017, 7:46:02 AM EST, kg5jup
<kg5jup@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
I am a little disturbed that these ideas were just published no vote not
input.? I am a paying member I had no input.? Honest feel like a handful of
individuals who want to treat the birds like the extra class band when
convent and whine when they don't get their way.??
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: "Sean K. via AMSAT-BB"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx> Date: 12/12/17 21:48 (GMT-06:00) To: Sean Waite
<waisean@xxxxx.xxx>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb]
FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for? Beginning and Experienced
Operators
Hi all-
Matthew NJ4Y and a few others put it more succinctly than I did: Item 6 in
my document is about extending courtesy to a station that goes to the
trouble of setting up away from their home or back yard. That can be for a
demo, a special event station at a hamfest, or a rare grid. All item 6 is
asking for is some consideration for that op's effort.
I live in grid FN31. It's a very common location. I tend to focus on calling
other stations on FM passes from Connecticut.
I activate other grids from time to time. When I do so, I usually take a
full-duplex linear station with me, so I can work the more capable stations
on SSB. But I still work FM passes, because there are some stations that
only have FM capability. Sometimes I only take an HT with me, and am limited
to FM only.?Here are a couple examples: This July, I was back home in
Illinois, and did a few SO50 passes from the EM59/EM69 grid line with my HT
and Arrow. EM69 is kind of rare (not sure why), so I was happy to hand it
out. One pass, I made 17 QSOs. Another pass, W4FS was on as K2J from North
Carolina for the 13 Colonies special event; we split the pass.... I took the
first half, Tucker took the second. It all worked out just fine, with no
advance planning or coordination.
One night, I'd announced on Twitter I was going to the grid line for an SO50
pass. AA5UK was in the Cayman Islands, and announced he was able to make a
quick trip to FK09, a very rare grid, but was only there for a day or so.
His access to passes was very limited and his time was short. He was in a
far rarer location than I was...he was going to be able to hand out a rare
grid and possibly a new DXCC entity for many people, so I bailed out and let
him take the pass. I went back to my grid line the next night, after AA5UK
had left his rare spot. No skin off my nose, and I didn't interfere with
people trying to work a much more enticing station than me.
That kind of courtesy and awareness is all item 6 is advocating for. If a
station is on from a different DXCC entity, a cruise ship handing out water
grids, or doing a demo at a Scout Jamboree, throw 'em a bone. If you were
the station of interest, I'd wager you would appreciate the opportunity.
And of course, if a bona fide emergency pops up and a LEO is the only way a
station can get a message out, then everybody else should stand by.
Sean Kutzko Amateur Radio KX9X
??? On Tuesday, December 12, 2017, 9:15:55 PM EST, Sean Waite
<waisean@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:?
Bow ties are cool, too.
So we have a bunch of other uses for the birds. How does this fit into rule
6? Do rare grids make way for DX? Does DX make way for NBEMS?
I'm new to the satellite game, so I don't really have an opinion, but maybe
there is more discussion here than a simple dismissal. Maybe not. Almost
every grid is a new grid for me.
Sean WA1TE
On Tue, Dec 12, 2017, 20:31 Devin L. Ganger <devin@xxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> There's the "Doctor Who" reason:
>
> Satellites are COOL.
>
>
> --
> Devin L. Ganger (WA7DLG)
> email: devin@xxxxxxxx.xxx
> web: Devin on Earth
> cell: +1 425.239.2575
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On Behalf Of Mac A.
> Cody
> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 5:12 PM
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
> Beginning and Experienced Operators
>
> I would hope that another reason for working the satellites is
> experimentation to broaden the applications of amateur satellites. This is
> seen, of late, with the resurgence of 'Experimenter's Wednesday' on AO-85.
> I would like to see more experimentation in other areas.? Here are some
> examples and I'm sure that there are others:
>
> o Use of LEO satellites for emergency response traffic (e.g. Narrow Band
> Emergency Messaging Software - NBEMS).
>
> o Use/development of alternative modulation schemes on linear transponder
> satellites to enable more efficient use or lower the barrier to access (e.g.
> double-sideband
> modulation, digital voice, low-power digital modes).
>
> o Development and test of homebrew satellite ground stations to lower the
> barrier to working amateur satellites (e.g. antenna systems, filters,
> amplifiers, full-duplex transceivers).
>
> 73,
>
> Mac Cody - AE5PH
>
> On 12/12/2017 06:36 PM, Sean Waite wrote:
> > I'll bite. As far as I can tell, there are 2 main reasons for working
> > the satellites. Chasing grids and making contacts via space. This
> > includes both these acts as well as the fun of overcoming the
> > challenges of doing the same.
> >
> > Maybe Zach has a third option that we haven't considered, one that is
> > contrary to the grid hunt. Rag chews aren't really viable due to the
> > limited resource and short time, but there could be something else.
> >
> > 73,
> > Sean WA1TE
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017, 19:05 Jeff Johns <jeff30339@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> >
> >> I don?t have him on my logs either.
> >>
> >> Jeff WE4B
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, December 12, 2017, David Swanson <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Zach,
> >>>
> >>> Do you avoid Satellites too? I've looked thru my logs and I don't
> >>> have
> >> your
> >>> call in there. I've asked a few other prolific ops and they lack a
> >>> QSO
> >> with
> >>> you as well. Just curious why the strong feelings on Item 6 if
> >>> you're not active on the birds.
> >>>
> >>> 73,
> >>>
> >>> Dave, KG5CCI
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@xxxxx.xxx>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 12/12/17 14:25, John KI4RO wrote:
> >>>>> Just like rare DX Zach...you must be a great operator on HF
> >> too...Ugh!
> >>>>> 73
> >>>>> John KI4RO
> >>>> John,
> >>>>
> >>>> I generally avoid 160 meters, as there are too many on there who
> >>>> resort to disparaging insults.
> >>>>
> >>>> 73,
> >>>>
> >>>> --- Zach
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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 11:07:35 -0600
From: David Swanson <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
Beginning and Experienced Operators
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Christopher,
I ask you the same question I asked another earlier in this thread: Do you
actually operate on the Amateur Satellites? I have checked my logs, and I
don't see you in them with your KG5JUP or your AA5EM call sign. Not saying
it's possible I could have missed you, but 5000 logged AMSAT QSOs since
2014 and you're not in them makes a fairly compelling case. Sean is not
trying pass a law by tyrannical decree here, he is an active operator who
has made a lot of contacts and been on both the chasing side and the DX
side of the QSO. He made a list of suggested guidelines based on his (and
other active ops) experiences, and he did a bang up job with it too. If
that rustles your jimmies too much, then maybe you should re-evaluate what
you're expecting by belonging to an organization like AMSAT.
Also - for those that have been around since before AO-91 - please go back
and reference the K0D operation I did with AC0RA last month. We activated
20 rares grids thru the Western Dakotas in 3 days. We only got on 3 FM
passes the entire trip. I got a lot of flack from FM only operators for
avoiding the repeater birds - but this thread is proof positive of exactly
why we did it that way. If folks get upset over asking for some courtesy
towards the rovers out there busting their tail off, that's fine. I for one
am done chasing grids now that I've got my 488 confirmed - and plan to put
some serious effort into roving the next few years. I'm happy to stick to
the linear birds only when on the road, if treating AO91 "like the extra
class" causes people to go to their safe spaces.
-Dave, KG5CCI
On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:45 AM, kg5jup <kg5jup@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> I am a little disturbed that these ideas were just published no vote not
> input. I am a paying member I had no input. Honest feel like a handful of
> individuals who want to treat the birds like the extra class band when
> convent and whine when they don't get their way.
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: "Sean K. via AMSAT-BB" <
> amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx> Date: 12/12/17 21:48 (GMT-06:00) To: Sean Waite <
> waisean@xxxxx.xxx>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb]
> FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
> Beginning and Experienced Operators
> Hi all-
> Matthew NJ4Y and a few others put it more succinctly than I did: Item 6 in
> my document is about extending courtesy to a station that goes to the
> trouble of setting up away from their home or back yard. That can be for a
> demo, a special event station at a hamfest, or a rare grid. All item 6 is
> asking for is some consideration for that op's effort.
> I live in grid FN31. It's a very common location. I tend to focus on
> calling other stations on FM passes from Connecticut.
> I activate other grids from time to time. When I do so, I usually take a
> full-duplex linear station with me, so I can work the more capable stations
> on SSB. But I still work FM passes, because there are some stations that
> only have FM capability. Sometimes I only take an HT with me, and am
> limited to FM only. Here are a couple examples: This July, I was back home
> in Illinois, and did a few SO50 passes from the EM59/EM69 grid line with my
> HT and Arrow. EM69 is kind of rare (not sure why), so I was happy to hand
> it out. One pass, I made 17 QSOs. Another pass, W4FS was on as K2J from
> North Carolina for the 13 Colonies special event; we split the pass.... I
> took the first half, Tucker took the second. It all worked out just fine,
> with no advance planning or coordination.
> One night, I'd announced on Twitter I was going to the grid line for an
> SO50 pass. AA5UK was in the Cayman Islands, and announced he was able to
> make a quick trip to FK09, a very rare grid, but was only there for a day
> or so. His access to passes was very limited and his time was short. He was
> in a far rarer location than I was...he was going to be able to hand out a
> rare grid and possibly a new DXCC entity for many people, so I bailed out
> and let him take the pass. I went back to my grid line the next night,
> after AA5UK had left his rare spot. No skin off my nose, and I didn't
> interfere with people trying to work a much more enticing station than me.
> That kind of courtesy and awareness is all item 6 is advocating for. If a
> station is on from a different DXCC entity, a cruise ship handing out water
> grids, or doing a demo at a Scout Jamboree, throw 'em a bone. If you were
> the station of interest, I'd wager you would appreciate the opportunity.
> And of course, if a bona fide emergency pops up and a LEO is the only way
> a station can get a message out, then everybody else should stand by.
> Sean Kutzko Amateur Radio KX9X
>
> On Tuesday, December 12, 2017, 9:15:55 PM EST, Sean Waite <
> waisean@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> Bow ties are cool, too.
>
> So we have a bunch of other uses for the birds. How does this fit into rule
> 6? Do rare grids make way for DX? Does DX make way for NBEMS?
>
>
> I'm new to the satellite game, so I don't really have an opinion, but maybe
> there is more discussion here than a simple dismissal. Maybe not. Almost
> every grid is a new grid for me.
>
>
> Sean WA1TE
>
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017, 20:31 Devin L. Ganger <devin@xxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> > There's the "Doctor Who" reason:
> >
> > Satellites are COOL.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Devin L. Ganger (WA7DLG)
> > email: devin@xxxxxxxx.xxx
> > web: Devin on Earth
> > cell: +1 425.239.2575
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On Behalf Of Mac A.
> > Cody
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 5:12 PM
> > To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
> > Beginning and Experienced Operators
> >
> > I would hope that another reason for working the satellites is
> > experimentation to broaden the applications of amateur satellites. This
> is
> > seen, of late, with the resurgence of 'Experimenter's Wednesday' on
> AO-85.
> > I would like to see more experimentation in other areas. Here are some
> > examples and I'm sure that there are others:
> >
> > o Use of LEO satellites for emergency response traffic (e.g. Narrow Band
> > Emergency Messaging Software - NBEMS).
> >
> > o Use/development of alternative modulation schemes on linear transponder
> > satellites to enable more efficient use or lower the barrier to access
> (e.g.
> > double-sideband
> > modulation, digital voice, low-power digital modes).
> >
> > o Development and test of homebrew satellite ground stations to lower the
> > barrier to working amateur satellites (e.g. antenna systems, filters,
> > amplifiers, full-duplex transceivers).
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Mac Cody - AE5PH
> >
> > On 12/12/2017 06:36 PM, Sean Waite wrote:
> > > I'll bite. As far as I can tell, there are 2 main reasons for working
> > > the satellites. Chasing grids and making contacts via space. This
> > > includes both these acts as well as the fun of overcoming the
> > > challenges of doing the same.
> > >
> > > Maybe Zach has a third option that we haven't considered, one that is
> > > contrary to the grid hunt. Rag chews aren't really viable due to the
> > > limited resource and short time, but there could be something else.
> > >
> > > 73,
> > > Sean WA1TE
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017, 19:05 Jeff Johns <jeff30339@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I don?t have him on my logs either.
> > >>
> > >> Jeff WE4B
> > >>
> > >> On Tuesday, December 12, 2017, David Swanson <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Zach,
> > >>>
> > >>> Do you avoid Satellites too? I've looked thru my logs and I don't
> > >>> have
> > >> your
> > >>> call in there. I've asked a few other prolific ops and they lack a
> > >>> QSO
> > >> with
> > >>> you as well. Just curious why the strong feelings on Item 6 if
> > >>> you're not active on the birds.
> > >>>
> > >>> 73,
> > >>>
> > >>> Dave, KG5CCI
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@xxxxx.xxx>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> On 12/12/17 14:25, John KI4RO wrote:
> > >>>>> Just like rare DX Zach...you must be a great operator on HF
> > >> too...Ugh!
> > >>>>> 73
> > >>>>> John KI4RO
> > >>>> John,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I generally avoid 160 meters, as there are too many on there who
> > >>>> resort to disparaging insults.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 73,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --- Zach
> > >>>> N0ZGO
> > >>>>
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