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Today's Topics:
1. Re: FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and
Experienced Operators (R.T.Liddy)
2. Re: FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and
Experienced Operators (kg5jup)
3. Rocket Lab Launch Analysis from Tuesday's attempt
(Wendy and Terry Osborne)
4. Re: FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and
Experienced Operators (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
5. Re: FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and
Experienced Operators (kg5jup)
6. Re: FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and
Experienced Operators (Mike Diehl)
7. Re: FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and
Experienced Operators (Matthew Stevens)
8. Re: FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and
Experienced Operators (Ted)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 18:20:50 +0000 (UTC)
From: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
Beginning and Experienced Operators
Message-ID: <995276668.4770045.1513189250601@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Dave,
Thanks for the good words about the reality of SAT operations.
Apparently, some people do not appreciate DX and/or Roving
or Gridding QSOs on our Satellites. They don't realize or care
that there is a LOT of time and expense involved with providing
these contacts for other SAT users from rare locations.
Amazingly, it seems that some of the vocal folks are objecting
to being reminded to use courtesy when the resources are busy
with highly sought stations. There are very many SAT passes that
are not busy at all. Is it that inconvenient to use those passes?
Even more amazing is that it has been pointed out that some of
the objectors haven't been actual users of the Satellites. One would
wonder why they are voicing objections in the first place.
Our hobby often has a problem getting folks to volunteer to do
some of the needed tasks that we all would benefit from. Then, when
someone steps forward to help with a needed task (writing an Operating
Practice) there are folks that do nothing but complain about what that
volunteer actually does! Go figure!!!
73 & Merry Christmas to ALL!!! de Bob K8BL (AMSAT #6593)
________________________________
From: David Swanson <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
Beginning and Experienced Operators
Christopher,
I ask you the same question I asked another earlier in this thread: Do you
actually operate on the Amateur Satellites? I have checked my logs, and I
don't see you in them with your KG5JUP or your AA5EM call sign. Not saying
it's possible I could have missed you, but 5000 logged AMSAT QSOs since
2014 and you're not in them makes a fairly compelling case. Sean is not
trying pass a law by tyrannical decree here, he is an active operator who
has made a lot of contacts and been on both the chasing side and the DX
side of the QSO. He made a list of suggested guidelines based on his (and
other active ops) experiences, and he did a bang up job with it too. If
that rustles your jimmies too much, then maybe you should re-evaluate what
you're expecting by belonging to an organization like AMSAT.
Also - for those that have been around since before AO-91 - please go back
and reference the K0D operation I did with AC0RA last month. We activated
20 rares grids thru the Western Dakotas in 3 days. We only got on 3 FM
passes the entire trip. I got a lot of flack from FM only operators for
avoiding the repeater birds - but this thread is proof positive of exactly
why we did it that way. If folks get upset over asking for some courtesy
towards the rovers out there busting their tail off, that's fine. I for one
am done chasing grids now that I've got my 488 confirmed - and plan to put
some serious effort into roving the next few years. I'm happy to stick to
the linear birds only when on the road, if treating AO91 "like the extra
class" causes people to go to their safe spaces.
-Dave, KG5CCI
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On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:45 AM, kg5jup <kg5jup@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> I am a little disturbed that these ideas were just published no vote not
> input. I am a paying member I had no input. Honest feel like a handful of
> individuals who want to treat the birds like the extra class band when
> convent and whine when they don't get their way.
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
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> -------- Original message --------From: "Sean K. via AMSAT-BB" <
> amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx> Date: 12/12/17 21:48 (GMT-06:00) To: Sean Waite <
> waisean@xxxxx.xxx>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb]
> FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
> Beginning and Experienced Operators
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:11:18 -0600
From: kg5jup <kg5jup@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
Beginning and Experienced Operators
Message-ID: <5a31896a.13bbdf0a.381a2.6e77@xx.xxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Hello there!? I am one of the ones you speak of and my only issue was how
the suvesstions were presented and that someone can just post to AMSAT site
with out a vote or discussion.??
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Date: 12/13/17 12:20 (GMT-06:00) To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
? Beginning and Experienced Operators
Dave,
Thanks for the good words about the reality of SAT operations.
Apparently, some people do not appreciate DX and/or Roving
or Gridding QSOs on our Satellites. They don't realize or care
that there is a LOT of time and expense involved with providing
these contacts for other SAT users from rare locations.
Amazingly, it seems that some of the vocal folks are objecting
to being reminded to use courtesy when the resources are busy
with highly sought stations. There are very many SAT passes that
are not busy at all. Is it that inconvenient to use those passes?
Even more amazing is that it has been pointed out that some of
the objectors haven't been actual users of the Satellites. One would
wonder why they are voicing objections in the first place.
Our hobby often has a problem getting folks to volunteer to do
some of the needed tasks that we all would benefit from. Then, when
someone steps forward to help with a needed task (writing an Operating
Practice) there are folks that do nothing but complain about what that
volunteer actually does! Go figure!!!
73 & Merry Christmas to ALL!!!? de Bob K8BL? (AMSAT #6593)
________________________________
From: David Swanson <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
Beginning and Experienced Operators
Christopher,
I ask you the same question I asked another earlier in this thread: Do you
actually operate on the Amateur Satellites? I have checked my logs, and I
don't see you in them with your KG5JUP or your AA5EM call sign. Not saying
it's possible I could have missed you, but 5000 logged AMSAT QSOs since
2014 and you're not in them makes a fairly compelling case. Sean is not
trying pass a law by tyrannical decree here, he is an active operator who
has made a lot of contacts and been on both the chasing side and the DX
side of the QSO. He made a list of suggested guidelines based on his (and
other active ops) experiences, and he did a bang up job with it too.? If
that rustles your jimmies too much, then maybe you should re-evaluate what
you're expecting by belonging to an organization like AMSAT.
Also - for those that have been around since before AO-91 - please go back
and reference the K0D operation I did with AC0RA last month. We activated
20 rares grids thru the Western Dakotas in 3 days. We only got on 3 FM
passes the entire trip. I got a lot of flack from FM only operators for
avoiding the repeater birds - but this thread is proof positive of exactly
why we did it that way. If folks get upset over asking for some courtesy
towards the rovers out there busting their tail off, that's fine. I for one
am done chasing grids now that I've got my 488 confirmed - and plan to put
some serious effort into roving the next few years. I'm happy to stick to
the linear birds only when on the road, if treating AO91 "like the extra
class" causes people to go to their safe spaces.
-Dave, KG5CCI
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On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:45 AM, kg5jup <kg5jup@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> I am a little disturbed that these ideas were just published no vote not
> input.? I am a paying member I had no input.? Honest feel like a handful of
> individuals who want to treat the birds like the extra class band when
> convent and whine when they don't get their way.
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------
> -------- Original message --------From: "Sean K. via AMSAT-BB" <
> amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx> Date: 12/12/17? 21:48? (GMT-06:00) To: Sean Waite <
> waisean@xxxxx.xxx>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb]
> FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
>?? Beginning and Experienced Operators
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 09:32:21 +1300
From: "Wendy and Terry Osborne" <wandtosborne@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "B J" <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, <ZL2BJO@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Analysis from Tuesday's attempt
Message-ID: <685FC9145EEF43B4833F006BE5D79C19@xxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Rocket have released their analysis from Tuesday.
?Analysis of yesterday's launch attempt is complete. Launch was aborted due
to rising liquid oxygen temperatures - the result of a LOx chilldown bleed
schedule not compatible with the warm conditions of the day. The fix is
simple. Next attempt tomorrow! #StillTesting ?.
Well it was about 30 degrees C (86 F) at the Launch site and the rocket is
black.
The weather forecast for the launch site today is for showers this morning
but clearing this afternoon.
First rain for about a month.
See: https://twitter.com/RocketLab for updates.
73,
Terry ZL2BAC
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 20:39:52 +0000
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: kg5jup <kg5jup@xxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
Beginning and Experienced Operators
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Hi!
The document Sean KX9X created for the AMSAT web site is in the
same tradition as the documents offered on the Station and
Operating Hints page on AMSAT's web site:
https://www.amsat.org/station-and-operating-hints/
I don't think any of the documents listed there went through
any discussion or vote, before being placed on that page. Some
of those articles appeared in the AMSAT Journal, and others were
posted in other places online but brought to this page as a
one-stop place to find this sort of useful information. AMSAT
has people that review what is presented on its web site and
distributed in its name, so it isn't like KX9X "went rogue"
in creating the document and posting it on the AMSAT web site.
This mailing list is an ideal place to discuss what KX9X wrote.
I expressed my opinion about it on Monday, suggesting a tweak to
one part of it, but also said I liked it. Do you have objections
to anything in KX9X's document? Nowhere has it been said that
the document represents a set of rules we must follow when working
FM satellites, or even AMSAT's FM satellites (AO-85 and AO-91).
Just suggestions, and - in my opinion - good suggestions.
I don't have your call signs, current or previous, in my log from
a satellite QSO. I'd like to work you sometime, whether it is on
AO-91 or one of the other satellites. I think if you tried working
some passes, you would gain an appreciation of what has been said
in that document.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @xxxxxx or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 8:11 PM, kg5jup <kg5jup@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Hello there! I am one of the ones you speak of and my only issue was how
> the suvesstions were presented and that someone can just post to AMSAT site
> with out a vote or discussion.
>
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:45:45 -0600
From: kg5jup <kg5jup@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
Beginning and Experienced Operators
Message-ID: <5a31917e.1b8e190a.32365.42aa@xx.xxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
My presence or non presence on the birdies makes no difference.? I am a
paying member of AMSAT and I hold a ham license (like all of you) therefore
my input SHOULD be of value.? I am sorry I have disrupted the status quo and
enraged the Satellite illuminati.? I am going office until such time as I
have been sent an RSVP to adult table.? ?Yes my response is almost as
childish and absurd what prompted it.?
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Date: 12/13/17 12:20 (GMT-06:00) To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
? Beginning and Experienced Operators
Dave,
Thanks for the good words about the reality of SAT operations.
Apparently, some people do not appreciate DX and/or Roving
or Gridding QSOs on our Satellites. They don't realize or care
that there is a LOT of time and expense involved with providing
these contacts for other SAT users from rare locations.
Amazingly, it seems that some of the vocal folks are objecting
to being reminded to use courtesy when the resources are busy
with highly sought stations. There are very many SAT passes that
are not busy at all. Is it that inconvenient to use those passes?
Even more amazing is that it has been pointed out that some of
the objectors haven't been actual users of the Satellites. One would
wonder why they are voicing objections in the first place.
Our hobby often has a problem getting folks to volunteer to do
some of the needed tasks that we all would benefit from. Then, when
someone steps forward to help with a needed task (writing an Operating
Practice) there are folks that do nothing but complain about what that
volunteer actually does! Go figure!!!
73 & Merry Christmas to ALL!!!? de Bob K8BL? (AMSAT #6593)
________________________________
From: David Swanson <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
Beginning and Experienced Operators
Christopher,
I ask you the same question I asked another earlier in this thread: Do you
actually operate on the Amateur Satellites? I have checked my logs, and I
don't see you in them with your KG5JUP or your AA5EM call sign. Not saying
it's possible I could have missed you, but 5000 logged AMSAT QSOs since
2014 and you're not in them makes a fairly compelling case. Sean is not
trying pass a law by tyrannical decree here, he is an active operator who
has made a lot of contacts and been on both the chasing side and the DX
side of the QSO. He made a list of suggested guidelines based on his (and
other active ops) experiences, and he did a bang up job with it too.? If
that rustles your jimmies too much, then maybe you should re-evaluate what
you're expecting by belonging to an organization like AMSAT.
Also - for those that have been around since before AO-91 - please go back
and reference the K0D operation I did with AC0RA last month. We activated
20 rares grids thru the Western Dakotas in 3 days. We only got on 3 FM
passes the entire trip. I got a lot of flack from FM only operators for
avoiding the repeater birds - but this thread is proof positive of exactly
why we did it that way. If folks get upset over asking for some courtesy
towards the rovers out there busting their tail off, that's fine. I for one
am done chasing grids now that I've got my 488 confirmed - and plan to put
some serious effort into roving the next few years. I'm happy to stick to
the linear birds only when on the road, if treating AO91 "like the extra
class" causes people to go to their safe spaces.
-Dave, KG5CCI
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------------------------------
On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:45 AM, kg5jup <kg5jup@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> I am a little disturbed that these ideas were just published no vote not
> input.? I am a paying member I had no input.? Honest feel like a handful of
> individuals who want to treat the birds like the extra class band when
> convent and whine when they don't get their way.
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------
> -------- Original message --------From: "Sean K. via AMSAT-BB" <
> amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx> Date: 12/12/17? 21:48? (GMT-06:00) To: Sean Waite <
> waisean@xxxxx.xxx>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb]
> FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
>?? Beginning and Experienced Operators
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 15:49:05 -0500
From: Mike Diehl <diehl.mike.a@xxxxx.xxx>
To: kg5jup <kg5jup@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
Beginning and Experienced Operators
Message-ID: <AF09989C-F547-4B5A-A7A9-0FA3316B1B34@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
That?s the thing about best practices when applied to just about anything,
it?s something rarely voted on. Instead, best practices tend to come from
empirical evidence.
Sean has proven himself to be successful on sats. Like others have pointed
out, I?ve worked him as both sides of the DX. His methods described are
proven and isn?t a matter of opinion. When it comes down to things such as
operating best practices then the less opinions (votes) the better because
most aren?t qualified.
Sean presented a guide and those that we elected at AMSAT thought it was
well worth posting. We should be glad they didn?t wait around to get every
unqualified opinion on the matter.
73,
Mike Diehl
W8LID
> On Dec 13, 2017, at 15:11, kg5jup <kg5jup@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> Hello there! I am one of the ones you speak of and my only issue was how
the suvesstions were presented and that someone can just post to AMSAT site
with out a vote or discussion.
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Date: 12/13/17 12:20 (GMT-06:00) To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
> Beginning and Experienced Operators
> Dave,
>
> Thanks for the good words about the reality of SAT operations.
>
> Apparently, some people do not appreciate DX and/or Roving
> or Gridding QSOs on our Satellites. They don't realize or care
> that there is a LOT of time and expense involved with providing
> these contacts for other SAT users from rare locations.
>
> Amazingly, it seems that some of the vocal folks are objecting
> to being reminded to use courtesy when the resources are busy
> with highly sought stations. There are very many SAT passes that
> are not busy at all. Is it that inconvenient to use those passes?
>
> Even more amazing is that it has been pointed out that some of
> the objectors haven't been actual users of the Satellites. One would
> wonder why they are voicing objections in the first place.
>
> Our hobby often has a problem getting folks to volunteer to do
> some of the needed tasks that we all would benefit from. Then, when
> someone steps forward to help with a needed task (writing an Operating
> Practice) there are folks that do nothing but complain about what that
> volunteer actually does! Go figure!!!
>
> 73 & Merry Christmas to ALL!!! de Bob K8BL (AMSAT #6593)
>
> ________________________________
> From: David Swanson <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
Beginning and Experienced Operators
>
>
>
> Christopher,
>
>
> I ask you the same question I asked another earlier in this thread: Do you
>
> actually operate on the Amateur Satellites? I have checked my logs, and I
>
> don't see you in them with your KG5JUP or your AA5EM call sign. Not saying
>
> it's possible I could have missed you, but 5000 logged AMSAT QSOs since
>
> 2014 and you're not in them makes a fairly compelling case. Sean is not
>
> trying pass a law by tyrannical decree here, he is an active operator who
>
> has made a lot of contacts and been on both the chasing side and the DX
>
> side of the QSO. He made a list of suggested guidelines based on his (and
>
> other active ops) experiences, and he did a bang up job with it too. If
>
> that rustles your jimmies too much, then maybe you should re-evaluate what
>
> you're expecting by belonging to an organization like AMSAT.
>
>
> Also - for those that have been around since before AO-91 - please go back
>
> and reference the K0D operation I did with AC0RA last month. We activated
>
> 20 rares grids thru the Western Dakotas in 3 days. We only got on 3 FM
>
> passes the entire trip. I got a lot of flack from FM only operators for
>
> avoiding the repeater birds - but this thread is proof positive of exactly
>
> why we did it that way. If folks get upset over asking for some courtesy
>
> towards the rovers out there busting their tail off, that's fine. I for one
>
> am done chasing grids now that I've got my 488 confirmed - and plan to put
>
> some serious effort into roving the next few years. I'm happy to stick to
>
> the linear birds only when on the road, if treating AO91 "like the extra
>
> class" causes people to go to their safe spaces.
>
>
> -Dave, KG5CCI
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------
>
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:45 AM, kg5jup <kg5jup@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
>
>
>> I am a little disturbed that these ideas were just published no vote not
>
>> input. I am a paying member I had no input. Honest feel like a handful of
>
>> individuals who want to treat the birds like the extra class band when
>
>> convent and whine when they don't get their way.
>
>
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------
>
>> -------- Original message --------From: "Sean K. via AMSAT-BB" <
>
>> amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx> Date: 12/12/17 21:48 (GMT-06:00) To: Sean Waite <
>
>> waisean@xxxxx.xxx>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb]
>
>> FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
>
>> Beginning and Experienced Operators
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 16:05:30 -0500
From: Matthew Stevens <matthew@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: kg5jup <kg5jup@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
Beginning and Experienced Operators
Message-ID: <5000F301-6826-4B0F-9D18-80F7EE5562A8@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Err... huh? What does any of this have to do with an unofficial operators
guide created by an active operator and Amsat member? Amsat didn?t create
the guide. They just thought it good enough to share on the website, as many
other member-generated articles have been for years. No one has to vote on
what in the end is someone?s opinion! If anything, what Sean did by sharing
here on the BB for peer review and suggestions seems like exactly what
you?re asking for..
And, as you see from all but a few of the responses, virtually every active
operator concurs with his suggested guidelines! This type of thing is best
created by someone who has experience in the topic... and Sean does. I
personally think he did a great job, and addressed some things that no one
really has in writing for a number of years. It?s always great to see a
fellow member contributing to everyone?s enjoyment of amateur satellites,
instead of just endlessly talking about ?some day someone ought to do
something.?
73,
- Matthew nj4y
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 13, 2017, at 15:45, kg5jup <kg5jup@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> My presence or non presence on the birdies makes no difference. I am a
paying member of AMSAT and I hold a ham license (like all of you) therefore
my input SHOULD be of value. I am sorry I have disrupted the status quo and
enraged the Satellite illuminati. I am going office until such time as I
have been sent an RSVP to adult table. Yes my response is almost as
childish and absurd what prompted it.
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Date: 12/13/17 12:20 (GMT-06:00) To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
> Beginning and Experienced Operators
> Dave,
>
> Thanks for the good words about the reality of SAT operations.
>
> Apparently, some people do not appreciate DX and/or Roving
> or Gridding QSOs on our Satellites. They don't realize or care
> that there is a LOT of time and expense involved with providing
> these contacts for other SAT users from rare locations.
>
> Amazingly, it seems that some of the vocal folks are objecting
> to being reminded to use courtesy when the resources are busy
> with highly sought stations. There are very many SAT passes that
> are not busy at all. Is it that inconvenient to use those passes?
>
> Even more amazing is that it has been pointed out that some of
> the objectors haven't been actual users of the Satellites. One would
> wonder why they are voicing objections in the first place.
>
> Our hobby often has a problem getting folks to volunteer to do
> some of the needed tasks that we all would benefit from. Then, when
> someone steps forward to help with a needed task (writing an Operating
> Practice) there are folks that do nothing but complain about what that
> volunteer actually does! Go figure!!!
>
> 73 & Merry Christmas to ALL!!! de Bob K8BL (AMSAT #6593)
>
> ________________________________
> From: David Swanson <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
Beginning and Experienced Operators
>
>
>
> Christopher,
>
>
> I ask you the same question I asked another earlier in this thread: Do you
>
> actually operate on the Amateur Satellites? I have checked my logs, and I
>
> don't see you in them with your KG5JUP or your AA5EM call sign. Not saying
>
> it's possible I could have missed you, but 5000 logged AMSAT QSOs since
>
> 2014 and you're not in them makes a fairly compelling case. Sean is not
>
> trying pass a law by tyrannical decree here, he is an active operator who
>
> has made a lot of contacts and been on both the chasing side and the DX
>
> side of the QSO. He made a list of suggested guidelines based on his (and
>
> other active ops) experiences, and he did a bang up job with it too. If
>
> that rustles your jimmies too much, then maybe you should re-evaluate what
>
> you're expecting by belonging to an organization like AMSAT.
>
>
> Also - for those that have been around since before AO-91 - please go back
>
> and reference the K0D operation I did with AC0RA last month. We activated
>
> 20 rares grids thru the Western Dakotas in 3 days. We only got on 3 FM
>
> passes the entire trip. I got a lot of flack from FM only operators for
>
> avoiding the repeater birds - but this thread is proof positive of exactly
>
> why we did it that way. If folks get upset over asking for some courtesy
>
> towards the rovers out there busting their tail off, that's fine. I for one
>
> am done chasing grids now that I've got my 488 confirmed - and plan to put
>
> some serious effort into roving the next few years. I'm happy to stick to
>
> the linear birds only when on the road, if treating AO91 "like the extra
>
> class" causes people to go to their safe spaces.
>
>
> -Dave, KG5CCI
>
>
>
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>
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:45 AM, kg5jup <kg5jup@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
>
>>
>
>> I am a little disturbed that these ideas were just published no vote not
>
>> input. I am a paying member I had no input. Honest feel like a handful of
>
>> individuals who want to treat the birds like the extra class band when
>
>> convent and whine when they don't get their way.
>
>>
>
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
>
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>
>> -------- Original message --------From: "Sean K. via AMSAT-BB" <
>
>> amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx> Date: 12/12/17 21:48 (GMT-06:00) To: Sean Waite <
>
>> waisean@xxxxx.xxx>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb]
>
>> FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
>
>> Beginning and Experienced Operators
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:07:05 -0800
From: "Ted" <k7trkradio@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "'kg5jup'" <kg5jup@xxxxx.xxx>, "'R.T.Liddy'" <k8bl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>,
"'AMSAT BB'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
Beginning and Experienced Operators
Message-ID: <003c01d37456$54f38010$feda8030$@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Chris, why are you beating this to death? No one here or from AMSAT has told
you Sean's write up was the LAW etched in stone. Sean simply took the time
to put in cogent writing what is always discussed and thought by many
operators. Sean just took the initiative to do a 'white paper' on the topic.
You are free to adopt his suggestions or not. There is no 'vote', but there
is honest discussion. NO one is making you follow Sean's suggestions...key
word be SUGGESTIONS
73, Ted
K7TRK
-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On Behalf Of kg5jup
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:11 PM
To: R.T.Liddy; AMSAT BB
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
Beginning and Experienced Operators
Hello there! I am one of the ones you speak of and my only issue was how
the suvesstions were presented and that someone can just post to AMSAT site
with out a vote or discussion.
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Date: 12/13/17 12:20 (GMT-06:00) To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
Beginning and Experienced Operators
Dave,
Thanks for the good words about the reality of SAT operations.
Apparently, some people do not appreciate DX and/or Roving or Gridding QSOs
on our Satellites. They don't realize or care that there is a LOT of time
and expense involved with providing these contacts for other SAT users from
rare locations.
Amazingly, it seems that some of the vocal folks are objecting to being
reminded to use courtesy when the resources are busy with highly sought
stations. There are very many SAT passes that are not busy at all. Is it
that inconvenient to use those passes?
Even more amazing is that it has been pointed out that some of the objectors
haven't been actual users of the Satellites. One would wonder why they are
voicing objections in the first place.
Our hobby often has a problem getting folks to volunteer to do some of the
needed tasks that we all would benefit from. Then, when someone steps
forward to help with a needed task (writing an Operating
Practice) there are folks that do nothing but complain about what that
volunteer actually does! Go figure!!!
73 & Merry Christmas to ALL!!! de Bob K8BL (AMSAT #6593)
________________________________
From: David Swanson <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
Beginning and Experienced Operators
Christopher,
I ask you the same question I asked another earlier in this thread: Do you
actually operate on the Amateur Satellites? I have checked my logs, and I
don't see you in them with your KG5JUP or your AA5EM call sign. Not saying
it's possible I could have missed you, but 5000 logged AMSAT QSOs since
2014 and you're not in them makes a fairly compelling case. Sean is not
trying pass a law by tyrannical decree here, he is an active operator who
has made a lot of contacts and been on both the chasing side and the DX
side of the QSO. He made a list of suggested guidelines based on his (and
other active ops) experiences, and he did a bang up job with it too. If
that rustles your jimmies too much, then maybe you should re-evaluate what
you're expecting by belonging to an organization like AMSAT.
Also - for those that have been around since before AO-91 - please go back
and reference the K0D operation I did with AC0RA last month. We activated
20 rares grids thru the Western Dakotas in 3 days. We only got on 3 FM
passes the entire trip. I got a lot of flack from FM only operators for
avoiding the repeater birds - but this thread is proof positive of exactly
why we did it that way. If folks get upset over asking for some courtesy
towards the rovers out there busting their tail off, that's fine. I for one
am done chasing grids now that I've got my 488 confirmed - and plan to put
some serious effort into roving the next few years. I'm happy to stick to
the linear birds only when on the road, if treating AO91 "like the extra
class" causes people to go to their safe spaces.
-Dave, KG5CCI
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------
On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:45 AM, kg5jup <kg5jup@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> I am a little disturbed that these ideas were just published no vote not
> input. I am a paying member I had no input. Honest feel like a handful of
> individuals who want to treat the birds like the extra class band when
> convent and whine when they don't get their way.
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------
> -------- Original message --------From: "Sean K. via AMSAT-BB" <
> amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx> Date: 12/12/17 21:48 (GMT-06:00) To: Sean Waite <
> waisean@xxxxx.xxx>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb]
> FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
> Beginning and Experienced Operators
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