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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Satellite tracking API (David Johnson)
2. Re: weekly nets / live chat ? (Caleb Smith)
3. Re: Nova for windows and Picsat (IW1DTU Fer)
4. Re: weekly nets / live chat ? (John)
5. Re: weekly nets / live chat ? (Devin L. Ganger)
6. Activating DM07 (Bob Keating)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 11:55:37 +0000
From: David Johnson <dave@?????.??.??>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Satellite tracking API
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Hi,
In collaboration with Chip, I have written a Java client to work with the API.
It can be found at: https://github.com/g4dpz/n2yo-api-client
<https://github.com/g4dpz/n2yo-api-client>
The plan is also to make it available at 'maven central'
73
Dave, G4DPZ
> On 19 Mar 2018, at 18:56, Ciprian Sufitchi <ciprian@????????.???> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Those a bit more comfortable with programming can use the REST API recently
> released at n2yo.com:
> https://www.n2yo.com/api/
> Probably the most useful transactions for amateur radio operating via
> satellites are:
> Get TLE
> Get radio passes
>
> Any suggestions and comments are welcome.
>
> Thanks!
> 73s de Chip N2YO
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 05:43:37 +0000
From: Caleb Smith <caleb@??????????.???>
To: "Devin L. Ganger" <devin@????????.???>
Cc: Brad Brooks <brad.wf7t@?????.???>, "amsat-bb@?????.????
<amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] weekly nets / live chat ?
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+1 on the discord suggestion, there's a young hams group with 200 members
using discord and it's worked really well for us. The best part about it is
the mobile apps work really well, as opposed to IRC, which lacks good
mobile support.
On Tue, Mar 20, 2018, 11:11 PM Devin L. Ganger <devin@????????.???> wrote:
> If we are going to have a hangout on one of the modern comm sites, might
> as well go for Discord -- it has all the Slack features plus is easier to
> hook into with scripts and programs and bots, AND offers the option of
> voice chat as well as an alternative to help folks connect/troubleshoot.
>
>
> --
> Devin L. Ganger (WA7DLG)
> email: devin@????????.???
> web: Devin on Earth
> cell: +1 425.239.2575
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???> On Behalf Of Brad Brooks
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 7:56 PM
> To: Sterling Coffey <kawfey@?????.???>; amsat-bb@?????.???
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] weekly nets / live chat ?
>
> I vote Slack. Count me in. 73 Brad WF7T
>
> On Mar 20, 2018, 7:58 PM -0500, Sterling Coffey <kawfey@?????.???>, wrote:
> > Does anyone have interest in a slack workspace or similar style of
> > hosted persistent chat? I know not a lot of hams have adopted the
> > paradigm shift in chatops. Most of my chats are shifting from IRC to
> Discord and Slack.
> > It's incredibly convenient to have an always on connection, be able to
> > send and receive notifications, and send images and have a searchable
> > chat log for almost all of time, plus all on mobile at zero cost.
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 6:51 PM, Ted Krempa <k7trkradio@???????.???>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Patrick, pls consider moving the D* net to a weekday, especially
> > > with summer coming up. Sundays usually involve a lot of family stuff
> > > or maybe traveling home from a weekend trip.
> > >
> > > Thank you, Ted
> > > K7TRK
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???? On Behalf Of
> > > Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)
> > > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 2:26 PM
> > > To: Mr B r a d; AMSAT
> > > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] weekly nets / live chat ?
> > >
> > > Hi, Brad!
> > >
> > > As I mentioned last night, I did not come up with the idea of a
> > > D-Star get-together focused on satellite stuff. Others have talked
> > > about creating - or relaunching - a talkgroup for this sort of
> > > discussion in the DMR realm. AMSAT operates an EchoLink conference
> > > server, which has been used for similar nets in the past. There's
> > > the HF net, if it is still operating (no HF at home presently, so I
> > > can't speak to that). Lots of options to do something online.
> > >
> > > What I seem to be hearing has a common theme... "AMSAT should do
> > > (some sort of chat, get-together, or net) on (radio, EchoLink, or
> > > something online)". If someone is interested in doing this on
> > > EchoLink, DMR, or some other mechanism - great! Do it!
> > > Announce it here, on Twitter, Facebook, spread the word. It doesn't
> > > have to be "official", but usually requires someone to be the
> > > cat-herder-in-chief or ringleader for whatever is proposed. The
> > > D-Star roundtable I mentioned has not had dozens of check-ins on any
> > > given Sunday evening, but has had good discussions and
> > > question-and-answer sessions. If something is done on DMR, I don't
> > > have DMR capabilities - but it doesn't hurt if we have these sorts
> > > of roundtables or chats in different places. The D-Star roundtable
> > > has drawn in some local Arizona interest, given that the reflector
> > > we have been using is normally tied into several D-Star repeaters
> > > around the Phoenix and Tucson areas, along with other repeaters that
> > > may be connected to the reflector just for the roundtables.
> > >
> > > 73!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
> > > http://www.wd9ewk.net/
> > > Twitter: @?????? or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 4:57 PM, Mr B r a d via AMSAT-BB <
> > > amsat-bb@?????.???
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> > > > """ Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK" .....from the last dispatch of messages
> > > > ....Re: trying to get back to the Sunday evening AMSAT roundtable
> """"
> > > > I Guess that is on d-star ?? this would be great to listen in on
> > > > from a new Op perspective .....
> > > > I have been looking for a Sat IRC or Sat-Op chat room or something
> > > > like "ping jockey" toget get some quick answers to operating
> > > > questions and
> > > line
> > > > up some QSO's and have not found anything for this. even a HF or
> > > echo-link
> > > > net could be helpful.this could also solve the ' no one else was
> > > > on the bird' problem.
> > > > sticking my neck out here , but I could host it on my
> > > > valleymedia.org domain withone of the free chat room scripts if
> > > > nothing more official or better is out here or offered?
> > > > one link on the 'easy sats' / work-sats page would fuel the live
> > > > sat-chat room very nicely
> > > >
> > > > new guy Ko6kLBrad
> > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 08:01:18 +0000 (UTC)
From: IW1DTU Fer <heliox694-iw1dtu@?????.???>
To: Gerald Witalec <jplanner@?????????.???>, AMSAT BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Nova for windows and Picsat
Message-ID: <791194713.4537075.1521619278506@????.?????.???>
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Hello Jerry
Nova for windows is an excellent tracking software with celestrak? keps
download utility inside the program
73?
Fer IW1DTU
On Tuesday, March 20, 2018, 11:19:40 PM GMT, Gerald Witalec
<jplanner@?????????.???> wrote:
What program do we need to download the KEPS?
Jerry
On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 4:21 PM, Fer via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
Thanks Scott, any chance to add
http://www.pe0sat.vgnet.nl/kepler/mykepler.txt
to NOVA kep element internet update?
73 Fer IW1DTU? ? On Tuesday, March 20, 2018, 4:43:55 PM GMT, Scott
<scott23192@?????.???> wrote:?
Hello!
It's listed in:
https://www.celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/science.txt
... as well as the source I use:
http://www.pe0sat.vgnet.nl/kepler/mykepler.txt
73!
-Scott,? K4KDR
=======================
On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 12:07 PM, IW1DTU Fer via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> I'd like tracking Picsat, norad #43132,? using **Nova for windows** but I
> can't? find this bird? in amateur or cubesat list from Celestrack. Any idea?
> Fer IW1DTU
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 13:45:05 -0000
From: "John" <john@?????.???.??>
To: <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] weekly nets / live chat ?
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Devin,
My point was that if whoever becomes the "admin" on a Discord server decides
they need a private channel for administrative functions for whatever
reason, they can't consider it in any way secure, and should be aware of
this from the start.
The problem with your suggestion of "not having one true chat" is that the
more different avenues of discussion you have for something, the more
disjointed and fragmented things become, the harder it becomes to find
information and the more overwhelming it is for a new user who hasn't been
involved before and just goes "erk, that's a lot of stuff, where do I even
start?". People will then respond on one platform to a question with "this
was discussed somewhere else" (and in some cases, flaming a user for "not
searching properly before asking" - I've seen this before in other similar
situations), to which the person asking the question would end up saying
"well how the heck was I supposed to know I've got to check ten different
platforms, hundreds of mail archives etc etc first?"...
I like Discord myself, as I said, but I figured it was important for people
to know about the privacy/security issue.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Devin L. Ganger <devin@????????.???>
Sent: 21 March 2018 13:27
To: John <john@?????.???.??>; 'Brad Brooks' <brad.wf7t@?????.???>; 'Sterling
Coffey' <kawfey@?????.???>; amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] weekly nets / live chat ?
Since we're a public hobby, I don't see how the points you make below are
actually a problem for this community -- in fact, might help get more people
interested! Discord is widely used by many gaming and hobbyist communities
already, so using a popular service like this might help improve our "curb
appeal." ?
Having one channel for, say, general questions, another for FM contacts,
another for SSB contacts, seems like it would be a nice deal.
And, most important to my mind, we're not putting the burden of making a
usable place for the community on one lone programmer's shoulders. Discord
is a major app that has a big team developing and supporting it, which means
that it "just works" for everyone -- smartphone users, PC users, Mac users,
Linux users, people who want to use a browser, etc.
Finally, there's no reason there needs to be "One True Chat" for this hobby.
Seems more in the spirit of things for there to be multiple resources for
folks to use as their comfort level dictates. The key, to my mind, is
getting AMSAT to publicize *each* of the resources we have available so
folks can find them and use the ones right for them.
--
Devin L. Ganger (WA7DLG)
email: devin@????????.???
web: Devin on Earth
cell: +1 425.239.2575
-----Original Message-----
From: John <john@?????.???.??>
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 2:19 AM
To: Devin L. Ganger <devin@????????.???>; 'Brad Brooks'
<brad.wf7t@?????.???>; 'Sterling Coffey' <kawfey@?????.???>;
amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] weekly nets / live chat ?
I'd second Discord for two main reasons. 1) all of the below. 2) Slack has a
'buffer limit' of 10,000 messages server-wide unless you pay them an
exorbitant amount of money every month (circa $10 per user every month or
something). I tried applying for a not-for-profit upgrade for one of the
organisations that insisted on using Slack that I'm part of, and they
basically said "unless you're a registered charity, no chance".
As an aside though, Discord too has its flaws - anyone with the url can join
and there's no way of monitoring who is joining without having a bot that
actively welcomes every user by name, which gets quite spammy. The "secure"
channels on a Discord server are not secure either - people with a third
party client can dump all the contents of every "secure" channel without
even having to try too hard. However, it's a perfectly respectable platform
if you feel the need for multiple channels.
If you only care about a single "channel" or stream of chatter, go for
Telegram - cross platform including most desktop OSs, web client for those
who don't want to install a native client, and 'just works'. Joining either
by link or invitation from an existing member, and shows when someone joins.
Persistent history, as with Discord.
This debate could get heavy, but work out what you'd want (single stream of
chat, multiple channels etc etc) and then work out what the best platform is
for the specific job you want to do.
73, and a firm left handshake,
John (XLX)
-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???> On Behalf Of Devin L. Ganger
Sent: 21 March 2018 04:36
To: Brad Brooks <brad.wf7t@?????.???>; Sterling Coffey <kawfey@?????.???>;
amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] weekly nets / live chat ?
If we are going to have a hangout on one of the modern comm sites, might as
well go for Discord -- it has all the Slack features plus is easier to hook
into with scripts and programs and bots, AND offers the option of voice chat
as well as an alternative to help folks connect/troubleshoot.
--
Devin L. Ganger (WA7DLG)
email: devin@????????.???
web: Devin on Earth
cell: +1 425.239.2575
-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???> On Behalf Of Brad Brooks
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 7:56 PM
To: Sterling Coffey <kawfey@?????.???>; amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] weekly nets / live chat ?
I vote Slack. Count me in. 73 Brad WF7T
On Mar 20, 2018, 7:58 PM -0500, Sterling Coffey <kawfey@?????.???>, wrote:
> Does anyone have interest in a slack workspace or similar style of
> hosted persistent chat? I know not a lot of hams have adopted the
> paradigm shift in chatops. Most of my chats are shifting from IRC to
Discord and Slack.
> It's incredibly convenient to have an always on connection, be able to
> send and receive notifications, and send images and have a searchable
> chat log for almost all of time, plus all on mobile at zero cost.
>
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 6:51 PM, Ted Krempa <k7trkradio@???????.???>
wrote:
>
> > Hi Patrick, pls consider moving the D* net to a weekday, especially
> > with summer coming up. Sundays usually involve a lot of family stuff
> > or maybe traveling home from a weekend trip.
> >
> > Thank you, Ted
> > K7TRK
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???? On Behalf Of
> > Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)
> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 2:26 PM
> > To: Mr B r a d; AMSAT
> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] weekly nets / live chat ?
> >
> > Hi, Brad!
> >
> > As I mentioned last night, I did not come up with the idea of a
> > D-Star get-together focused on satellite stuff. Others have talked
> > about creating - or relaunching - a talkgroup for this sort of
> > discussion in the DMR realm. AMSAT operates an EchoLink conference
> > server, which has been used for similar nets in the past. There's
> > the HF net, if it is still operating (no HF at home presently, so I
> > can't speak to that). Lots of options to do something online.
> >
> > What I seem to be hearing has a common theme... "AMSAT should do
> > (some sort of chat, get-together, or net) on (radio, EchoLink, or
> > something online)". If someone is interested in doing this on
> > EchoLink, DMR, or some other mechanism - great! Do it!
> > Announce it here, on Twitter, Facebook, spread the word. It doesn't
> > have to be "official", but usually requires someone to be the
> > cat-herder-in-chief or ringleader for whatever is proposed. The
> > D-Star roundtable I mentioned has not had dozens of check-ins on any
> > given Sunday evening, but has had good discussions and
> > question-and-answer sessions. If something is done on DMR, I don't
> > have DMR capabilities - but it doesn't hurt if we have these sorts
> > of roundtables or chats in different places. The D-Star roundtable
> > has drawn in some local Arizona interest, given that the reflector
> > we have been using is normally tied into several D-Star repeaters
> > around the Phoenix and Tucson areas, along with other repeaters that
> > may be connected to the reflector just for the roundtables.
> >
> > 73!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
> > http://www.wd9ewk.net/
> > Twitter: @?????? or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 4:57 PM, Mr B r a d via AMSAT-BB <
> > amsat-bb@?????.???
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> > > """ Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK" .....from the last dispatch of messages
> > > ....Re: trying to get back to the Sunday evening AMSAT roundtable """"
> > > I Guess that is on d-star ?? this would be great to listen in on
> > > from a new Op perspective .....
> > > I have been looking for a Sat IRC or Sat-Op chat room or something
> > > like "ping jockey" toget get some quick answers to operating
> > > questions and
> > line
> > > up some QSO's and have not found anything for this. even a HF or
> > echo-link
> > > net could be helpful.this could also solve the ' no one else was
> > > on the bird' problem.
> > > sticking my neck out here , but I could host it on my
> > > valleymedia.org domain withone of the free chat room scripts if
> > > nothing more official or better is out here or offered?
> > > one link on the 'easy sats' / work-sats page would fuel the live
> > > sat-chat room very nicely
> > >
> > > new guy Ko6kLBrad
> > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
> > available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring
> > membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and
> > do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
program!
> > Subscription settings:
> > http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring
> > membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and
> > do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
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program!
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> >
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect
> the
official views of AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 13:27:28 +0000
From: "Devin L. Ganger" <devin@????????.???>
To: John <john@?????.???.??>, 'Brad Brooks' <brad.wf7t@?????.???>,
"'Sterling Coffey'" <kawfey@?????.???>, "amsat-bb@?????.????
<amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] weekly nets / live chat ?
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Since we're a public hobby, I don't see how the points you make below are
actually a problem for this community -- in fact, might help get more people
interested! Discord is widely used by many gaming and hobbyist communities
already, so using a popular service like this might help improve our "curb
appeal." ?
Having one channel for, say, general questions, another for FM contacts,
another for SSB contacts, seems like it would be a nice deal.
And, most important to my mind, we're not putting the burden of making a
usable place for the community on one lone programmer's shoulders. Discord
is a major app that has a big team developing and supporting it, which means
that it "just works" for everyone -- smartphone users, PC users, Mac users,
Linux users, people who want to use a browser, etc.
Finally, there's no reason there needs to be "One True Chat" for this hobby.
Seems more in the spirit of things for there to be multiple resources for
folks to use as their comfort level dictates. The key, to my mind, is
getting AMSAT to publicize *each* of the resources we have available so
folks can find them and use the ones right for them.
--
Devin L. Ganger (WA7DLG)
email:?devin@????????.???
web:?Devin on Earth
cell:?+1 425.239.2575
-----Original Message-----
From: John <john@?????.???.??>
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 2:19 AM
To: Devin L. Ganger <devin@????????.???>; 'Brad Brooks'
<brad.wf7t@?????.???>; 'Sterling Coffey' <kawfey@?????.???>;
amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] weekly nets / live chat ?
I'd second Discord for two main reasons. 1) all of the below. 2) Slack has a
'buffer limit' of 10,000 messages server-wide unless you pay them an
exorbitant amount of money every month (circa $10 per user every month or
something). I tried applying for a not-for-profit upgrade for one of the
organisations that insisted on using Slack that I'm part of, and they
basically said "unless you're a registered charity, no chance".
As an aside though, Discord too has its flaws - anyone with the url can join
and there's no way of monitoring who is joining without having a bot that
actively welcomes every user by name, which gets quite spammy. The "secure"
channels on a Discord server are not secure either - people with a third
party client can dump all the contents of every "secure" channel without
even having to try too hard. However, it's a perfectly respectable platform
if you feel the need for multiple channels.
If you only care about a single "channel" or stream of chatter, go for
Telegram - cross platform including most desktop OSs, web client for those
who don't want to install a native client, and 'just works'. Joining either
by link or invitation from an existing member, and shows when someone joins.
Persistent history, as with Discord.
This debate could get heavy, but work out what you'd want (single stream of
chat, multiple channels etc etc) and then work out what the best platform is
for the specific job you want to do.
73, and a firm left handshake,
John (XLX)
-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???> On Behalf Of Devin L. Ganger
Sent: 21 March 2018 04:36
To: Brad Brooks <brad.wf7t@?????.???>; Sterling Coffey <kawfey@?????.???>;
amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] weekly nets / live chat ?
If we are going to have a hangout on one of the modern comm sites, might as
well go for Discord -- it has all the Slack features plus is easier to hook
into with scripts and programs and bots, AND offers the option of voice chat
as well as an alternative to help folks connect/troubleshoot.
--
Devin L. Ganger (WA7DLG)
email:?devin@????????.???
web:?Devin on Earth
cell:?+1 425.239.2575
-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???> On Behalf Of Brad Brooks
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 7:56 PM
To: Sterling Coffey <kawfey@?????.???>; amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] weekly nets / live chat ?
I vote Slack. Count me in. 73 Brad WF7T
On Mar 20, 2018, 7:58 PM -0500, Sterling Coffey <kawfey@?????.???>, wrote:
> Does anyone have interest in a slack workspace or similar style of
> hosted persistent chat? I know not a lot of hams have adopted the
> paradigm shift in chatops. Most of my chats are shifting from IRC to
Discord and Slack.
> It's incredibly convenient to have an always on connection, be able to
> send and receive notifications, and send images and have a searchable
> chat log for almost all of time, plus all on mobile at zero cost.
>
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 6:51 PM, Ted Krempa <k7trkradio@???????.???>
wrote:
>
> > Hi Patrick, pls consider moving the D* net to a weekday, especially
> > with summer coming up. Sundays usually involve a lot of family stuff
> > or maybe traveling home from a weekend trip.
> >
> > Thank you, Ted
> > K7TRK
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???? On Behalf Of
> > Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)
> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 2:26 PM
> > To: Mr B r a d; AMSAT
> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] weekly nets / live chat ?
> >
> > Hi, Brad!
> >
> > As I mentioned last night, I did not come up with the idea of a
> > D-Star get-together focused on satellite stuff. Others have talked
> > about creating - or relaunching - a talkgroup for this sort of
> > discussion in the DMR realm. AMSAT operates an EchoLink conference
> > server, which has been used for similar nets in the past. There's
> > the HF net, if it is still operating (no HF at home presently, so I
> > can't speak to that). Lots of options to do something online.
> >
> > What I seem to be hearing has a common theme... "AMSAT should do
> > (some sort of chat, get-together, or net) on (radio, EchoLink, or
> > something online)". If someone is interested in doing this on
> > EchoLink, DMR, or some other mechanism - great! Do it!
> > Announce it here, on Twitter, Facebook, spread the word. It doesn't
> > have to be "official", but usually requires someone to be the
> > cat-herder-in-chief or ringleader for whatever is proposed. The
> > D-Star roundtable I mentioned has not had dozens of check-ins on any
> > given Sunday evening, but has had good discussions and
> > question-and-answer sessions. If something is done on DMR, I don't
> > have DMR capabilities - but it doesn't hurt if we have these sorts
> > of roundtables or chats in different places. The D-Star roundtable
> > has drawn in some local Arizona interest, given that the reflector
> > we have been using is normally tied into several D-Star repeaters
> > around the Phoenix and Tucson areas, along with other repeaters that
> > may be connected to the reflector just for the roundtables.
> >
> > 73!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
> > http://www.wd9ewk.net/
> > Twitter: @?????? or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 4:57 PM, Mr B r a d via AMSAT-BB <
> > amsat-bb@?????.???
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> > > """ Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK" .....from the last dispatch of messages
> > > ....Re: trying to get back to the Sunday evening AMSAT roundtable """"
> > > I Guess that is on d-star ?? this would be great to listen in on
> > > from a new Op perspective .....
> > > I have been looking for a Sat IRC or Sat-Op chat room or something
> > > like "ping jockey" toget get some quick answers to operating
> > > questions and
> > line
> > > up some QSO's and have not found anything for this. even a HF or
> > echo-link
> > > net could be helpful.this could also solve the ' no one else was
> > > on the bird' problem.
> > > sticking my neck out here , but I could host it on my
> > > valleymedia.org domain withone of the free chat room scripts if
> > > nothing more official or better is out here or offered?
> > > one link on the 'easy sats' / work-sats page would fuel the live
> > > sat-chat room very nicely
> > >
> > > new guy Ko6kLBrad
> > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 08:08:06 -0700
From: Bob Keating <bkeating1954@?????.???>
To: AMSAT-BB@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] Activating DM07
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I will be in Yosemite National Park? next week operating portable out of
our RV. I plan to work a few of the FM OSCARS from DM07 while we are
there, weather permitting.
Bob, N6REK
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