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Today's Topics:
1. Russian Cubesats to deploy during Spacewalk (M5AKA)
2. Re: Standard for AMSAT status board observations of FS-3
(Robert Switzer)
3. Re: Standard for AMSAT status board observations of FS-3
(Ryan Noguchi)
4. Re: DSLWP UHF Test Plan on May 31, Jun 1 and Jun 3
(Dimitry Borzenko)
5. Re: Standard for AMSAT status board observations of FS-3
(John Brier)
6. Re: Standard for AMSAT status board observations of FS-3
(Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
7. Re: Standard for AMSAT status board observations of FS-3
(Mark L. Hammond)
8. Re: Standard for AMSAT status board observations of FS-3
(Ryan Noguchi)
9. Re: Standard for AMSAT status board observations of FS-3
(Robert Switzer)
10. Re: Standard for AMSAT status board observations of FS-3
(Robert Bruninga)
11. Re: Standard for AMSAT status board observations of FS-3
(Devin L. Ganger)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 16:27:07 +0000 (UTC)
From: M5AKA <m5aka@?????.??.??>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Russian Cubesats to deploy during Spacewalk
Message-ID: <872947450.13537066.1527870427330@????.?????.???>
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Russian CubeSats SiriusSat-1 (RS13S) and SiriusSat-2 (RS14S) to be deployed
during a spacewalk in August
https://amsat-uk.org/2018/06/01/russian-siriussat-cubesats-to-be-deployed-duri
ng-spacewalk/
A report from Friedrichshafen Ham Radio 2018 event indicates there is no
launch date for Es'hail 2, but satellite and testing is complete
https://www.facebook.com/amsatuk/posts/1796030043773370
Trevor M5AKA
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 17:06:52 +0000 (UTC)
From: Robert Switzer <rs2atmink@?????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Standard for AMSAT status board observations
of FS-3
Message-ID: <504935680.1106394.1527872812273@????.?????.???>
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I thought it was only me... I tried yesterday and was unable to get
digipeated.
Rob KA2CZU
On Friday, June 1, 2018, 10:29:38 AM EDT, Ryan Noguchi via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
I've been reporting my observations on the AMSAT Live OSCAR Satellite
Status page. For the FM and linear satellites, it's a no-brainer:? if I hear
live traffic on the bird, or if I hear myself being transponded, then
clearly "Uplink and Downlink Active" is appropriate.?
However, for the packet satellites, what's the criteria for reporting the
uplink as active? The past two days, I've received continuous streams of
non-APRS packets from FalconSat-3 on two passes, but despite manually
sending my beacons many times on each pass, I don't get digipeated (at least
no iGate seems to be picking up the traffic) and I don't receive any APRS
packets from anyone else.
? My TH-D72A is properly configured per Patrick WD9EWK's excellent tutorial,
and I've made QSOs earlier in the week with the radio in the same
configuration it's in now. The only difference seems to be that I'm working
FS-3 much earlier in the day, on a weekday, than I have in the past.?I'm
just using a TH-D72A, so for all I know, a dozen ops are having a grand ol'
time on the BBS.?
I've been reporting these passes as "Downlink Only." Is that appropriate? I
seem to be the only one this week who reported FalconSat-3 as anything but
open for business. I'm planning to try one or more passes later today.?
73, Ryan AI6DO
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 17:28:23 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ryan Noguchi <ai6do@?????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Standard for AMSAT status board observations
of FS-3
Message-ID: <1751588969.7756913.1527874103243@????.?????.???>
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>I sent my beacon several times during each of the 0030Z and 1420Z passes
on Thu 5/31 ...
Sorry, meant to write 2120Z (1420 PDT), not 1420Z.?
73, Ryan AI6DO
On Friday, June 1, 2018, 8:55:19 AM PDT, Ryan Noguchi via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
Hi, Mark.?
I do not receive any visible notification of receiving my own packets on the
TH-D72A despite operating full duplex. My understanding is that Patrick
WD9EWK has previously reported this is a limitation of the TH-D72A that is
not shared by the TH-D74A. I only go by the real-time readout on the home
screen, the stored list of decoded APRS packets ("LIST"), and the stored
list ("MSG") of received APRS messages.?I have not inspected log files that
might be stored on the radio.?
I sent my beacon several times during each of the 0030Z and 1420Z passes on
Thu 5/31, at 5W through an Arrow on the first pass and an Elk on the second.
?I verified the APRS settings before and after each pass.??I was digipeated
on three separate passes on Mon 5/28, and had QSOs over the weekend, with
those same settings on the same radio with the same antennas and cables.?
I'm hesitant to report the uplink as active unless the undecoded packets I
receive are evidence that the uplink is active. On every pass I receive
undecoded packets from PFS3-1 and PFS3-11, and occasionally PFS3-12. Does
one or more of those SSIDs indicate that an operator had successfully
uplinked to the satellite on that pass? I read the status packets
description document and nothing stood out to me as being indicative of an
uplink.?
73, Ryan AI6DO
? ? On Friday, June 1, 2018, 8:10:38 AM PDT, Mark L. Hammond
<marklhammond@?????.???> wrote:?
Hi Ryan, the PBBS on FS-3 is working great.? You?re right, it?s hard to see
if it?s working on APRS?though working full duplex you should copy yourself
right? ??
I checked my log files and confirm that the digipeater is ON.? Also, I
looked at the last couple KISS log files and can?t see your call. Double
check things is my suggestion. ??
I suggest you report as uplink and downlink active, unless you are positive
that uplinks aren?t working; recently they have been from my QTH.?
73,Mark N8MH
?
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2018 17:54:39 +0000
From: "Dimitry Borzenko" <dibor@?????.???>
To: "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] DSLWP UHF Test Plan on May 31, Jun 1 and Jun 3
Message-ID: <em74130af2-dbd0-401e-9e48-e080382a7659@?????>
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Hi Fer and All.
Fer, U do not need A0 and A1 decoders anymore, them were for dslwp-a.
I have also port 3 and 4 is not connected, I dont know why, maybe Wei
can explain.
Best Wishes.
------ Original Message ------
From: "Fer" <mhz4464@?????.???>
To: "???" <wmc_jx@???.???>; "dibor@?????.???? <dibor@?????.???>; "AMSAT
BB" <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Sent: 01.06.2018 19:17:12
Subject: Re: Re:Re: [amsat-bb] DSLWP UHF Test Plan on May 31, Jun 1 and
Jun 3
>Hi Wei
>
>many tanks for your mail and instruction.
>Now the live cd is running on my notebook, here just some anomaly.
>
>In proxy window I add my call anc coordinates, saved, succesfully
>updated orbit information and start the proxy but serve is not
>connected as well port 3 and 4
>
>Front end dslwp rx rtl works but only BJ1SN B0 and B1, no way to see
>BJ1SM A0 A1 as per screenshot in the guide.
>
>Double clicking DEMOD_ON I have four windows instead eight.
>
>Please advice
>
>Thank you again and all the best for your interesting mission
>Thanks Dimitri for your help
>
>Vy 73 de Fer IW1DTU
>
>
>On Thursday, May 31, 2018, 11:21:25 AM GMT, ??? <wmc_jx@???.???> wrote:
>
>
>Hi Fer,
>
>Thank you very much for your support!
>
>A user manual for the live cd can be found here:
>https://github.com/bg2bhc/dslwp_doc/blob/master/DSLWP_Live_CD_User_Manual_201
80520.pdf
>
>Please don't hesitate to contact me if you have any further questions.
>
>73!
>
>Wei
>
>
>
>
>--
>WEI Mingchuan
>
>Research Center of Satellite Technology
>Harbin Institute of Technology
>mobile: +86-189-4501-5242
>e-mail: wmc_jx@???.???? bg2bhc@?????.???
>
>At 2018-05-31 18:48:41, "Fer" <mhz4464@?????.???> wrote:
>>Hello WEI Mingchuan,
>>
>>congratulations for your mission and many thanks for DSLW-B info.
>>
>>Can any gnuradio Guru write a short guide on how to set parameters on
>>gnuradio Live CD?
>>Please, not interested in how to download the .iso file but wich
>>parameters set and in which way in gnuradio window when the Live Cd is
>>up and running.
>>
>>Thanks in advance
>>73 de Fer IW1DTU
>>On Thursday, May 31, 2018, 8:33:34 AM GMT, ??? <wmc_jx@???.???> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Hi OMs,
>>
>>
>>We are planning two tests for UHF of DSLWP-B, from 31 May 16:00 UTC to
>>31 May 18:00 UTC, and from 1 Jun 02:00 UTC to 1 Jun 04:00 UTC.
>>
>>
>>We will change the mode of the transmitters to 250 bps GMSK and JT4G
>>on 435.4 MHz (GMSK every 5 min, JT4G every 10 min, JT4G has higher
>>priority), and 250 bps GMSK on 436.4 MHz (every 5 min). Corresponding
>>demod grcs should be used.
>>
>>
>>Some more tests are planned on Jun 3, and detailed time TBD.
>>
>>
>>The temperature of onboard batteries is a little higher than expected,
>>that's why UHF is not always on.
>>
>>
>>
>>Tracking file updates can be found on:
>>https://github.com/bg2bhc/dslwp_doc or
>>http://lilacsat.hit.edu.cn/tle/program_tracking_dslwp-b.txt
>>
>>
>>Updated version of Live CD:
>>https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ptga7XfgQ--qsnD4QhpNiRRUIW3c626L/view?usp=s
haring
>>
>>
>>Best Regards and 73!
>>
>>
>>Wei BG2BHC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>
>>WEI Mingchuan
>>
>>
>>Research Center of Satellite Technology
>>Harbin Institute of Technology
>>mobile: +86-189-4501-5242
>>e-mail: wmc_jx@???.???? bg2bhc@?????.???
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>>to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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>>program!
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>
>
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 14:56:48 -0400
From: John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???>
To: Ryan Noguchi <ai6do@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Standard for AMSAT status board observations
of FS-3
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On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 11:52 AM, Ryan Noguchi via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> I do not receive any visible notification of receiving my own packets on
> the TH-D72A despite operating full duplex. My understanding is that Patrick
> WD9EWK has previously reported this is a limitation of the TH-D72A that is
> not shared by the TH-D74A.
>
At the risk of introducing confusion based on my inexperience using FS-3, I
will say that I do know when using the D72 with the ISS digipeater or with
any standard simplex digipeater, when your packet is repeated you do get
realtime visual and audio indication it was repeated. The radio makes a
unique audio alert when it receives its own packets repeated back and the
screen flashes "MY POSITION" above "via RS0ISS" or whatever the callsign of
the digipeater is. This can be seen in my video below. The limitation I am
familiar with is that your repeated/received packets do not then show up in
the LIST, which can be confusing, as it was for me as seen in the below.
video. I believe the D74 does allow you to view your repeated/received
packets in its LIST.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woSzJ-PtH2M&feature=youtu.be&t=36
73, John Brier KG4AKV
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 19:29:23 +0000
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb@??????.???>
To: John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???>, AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Standard for AMSAT status board observations
of FS-3
Message-ID:
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John,
Normally, working FalconSat-3 should be the same as any
other orbiting digipeater, where you would see a "My
Message" or "My Position" notification on your HT's screen
when you are digipeated. FalconSat-3 sends down so much
data, that it is possible your HT misses the digipeated
packet, or it received it with a series of other packets
so fast you miss the on-screen notification. That's why
I find myself checking the listing of stations heard and
message listings during a FalconSat-3 pass, in case I
missed something.
Working FalconSat-3's digipeater with a single D74 is
basically a no-go, since its TNC can only work with one
VFO. It can't be set to receive from one VFO and transmit
from the other, something the D72, D7, and the Kenwood
APRS mobiles can do. Even though I might not see many
of the "My Message" or "My Position" notifications on the
screen, I do fine working FalconSat-3 with my D72, and
hope to try it later today and tomorrow afternoon.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK - Prescott, Arizona
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @?????? or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 6:56 PM, John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???> wrote:
>
> At the risk of introducing confusion based on my inexperience using FS-3, I
> will say that I do know when using the D72 with the ISS digipeater or with
> any standard simplex digipeater, when your packet is repeated you do get
> realtime visual and audio indication it was repeated. The radio makes a
> unique audio alert when it receives its own packets repeated back and the
> screen flashes "MY POSITION" above "via RS0ISS" or whatever the callsign of
> the digipeater is. This can be seen in my video below. The limitation I am
> familiar with is that your repeated/received packets do not then show up in
> the LIST, which can be confusing, as it was for me as seen in the below.
> video. I believe the D74 does allow you to view your repeated/received
> packets in its LIST.
>
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 15:45:04 -0400
From: "Mark L. Hammond" <marklhammond@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@??????.???
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Standard for AMSAT status board observations
of FS-3
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Hi All,
I guess this Is a difference between the general user and me as a command
station :-) if I see a report that it?s downlink only, it triggers a bit of
anxiety regarding the operation of the satellite.
If I were to listen to AO-92, but was unable to hear myself when
transmitting, should I report downlink only? Different, but similar.
I guess my point is this, not hearing anything doesn?t mean it?s not
working. A report of Downlink only to me, anyhow, implies something is
wrong with the satellite. See the subtlety?
Here?s another nuance, figure the status report is a satellite status
report, not a users experience report.
In the end, it doesn?t really matter :-) I?m glad to see the reports are
being made for our satellites. It?s helpful, sometimes even when it?s not
very precise.
Mark N8MH
On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 12:17 PM Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) <
amsat-bb@??????.???> wrote:
> Hi Ryan!
>
> I'm with you on how to report on the AMSAT status page. If I
> don't see my packets being digipeated when using my TH-D72
> or TM-D710, I mark my reports as "Downlink Only". If I see
> my packets being digipeated, or I see other stations using
> the digipeater, I'll go with "Uplink and Downlink Active".
>
> As for the pass times, they gradually move earlier in the
> day. I have what should be some decent passes this
> afternoon, and I hope to work one or two of them from the
> Prescott Hamfest in north-central Arizona later with my
> TH-D72 & Elk - same setup I used last week, when I worked
> you via FalconSat-3.
>
> 73!
>
>
>
>
> Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
> http://www.wd9ewk.net/
> Twitter: @?????? or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 2:28 PM, Ryan Noguchi via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> > I've been reporting my observations on the AMSAT Live OSCAR Satellite
> > Status page. For the FM and linear satellites, it's a no-brainer: if I
> > hear live traffic on the bird, or if I hear myself being transponded,
> then
> > clearly "Uplink and Downlink Active" is appropriate.
> >
> > However, for the packet satellites, what's the criteria for reporting the
> > uplink as active? The past two days, I've received continuous streams of
> > non-APRS packets from FalconSat-3 on two passes, but despite manually
> > sending my beacons many times on each pass, I don't get digipeated (at
> > least no iGate seems to be picking up the traffic) and I don't receive
> any
> > APRS packets from anyone else.
> > My TH-D72A is properly configured per Patrick WD9EWK's excellent
> > tutorial, and I've made QSOs earlier in the week with the radio in the
> same
> > configuration it's in now. The only difference seems to be that I'm
> working
> > FS-3 much earlier in the day, on a weekday, than I have in the past. I'm
> > just using a TH-D72A, so for all I know, a dozen ops are having a grand
> ol'
> > time on the BBS.
> >
> > I've been reporting these passes as "Downlink Only." Is that appropriate?
> > I seem to be the only one this week who reported FalconSat-3 as anything
> > but open for business. I'm planning to try one or more passes later
> today.
> >
> >
> > 73, Ryan AI6DO
> >
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 19:47:05 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ryan Noguchi <ai6do@?????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Standard for AMSAT status board observations
of FS-3
Message-ID: <1981044274.7803515.1527882425368@????.?????.???>
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Hi, John.?
I don't recall ever receiving that indication that I've received one of my
own packets repeated by FS-3, even when I've been iGated or completed a QSO.
However, I'm usually being bombarded by so many non-APRS packets in the
downlink on nearly a continuous basis for almost the entire pass that I
wouldn't be surprised if the D72's user interface or decoding processing
just isn't able to keep up in real time.?
73, Ryan AI6DO
On Friday, June 1, 2018, 11:56:50 AM PDT, John Brier
<johnbrier@?????.???> wrote:
At the risk of introducing confusion based on my inexperience using FS-3, I
will say that I do know when using the D72 with the ISS digipeater or with
any standard simplex digipeater, when your packet is repeated you do get
realtime visual and audio indication it was repeated. The radio makes a
unique audio alert when it receives its own packets repeated back and the
screen flashes "MY POSITION" above "via RS0ISS" or whatever the callsign of
the digipeater is. This can be seen in my video below. The limitation I am
familiar with is that your repeated/received packets do not then show up in
the LIST, which can be confusing, as it was for me as seen in the below.
video. I believe the D74 does allow you to view your repeated/received
packets in its LIST.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woSzJ-PtH2M&feature=youtu.be&t=36
73, John Brier KG4AKV
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 20:14:45 +0000 (UTC)
From: Robert Switzer <rs2atmink@?????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Standard for AMSAT status board observations
of FS-3
Message-ID: <438932048.1198022.1527884085495@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
one "should" see decoded Msgs in the "MSG" list on the D72A, however.
Correct?
Rob KA2CZU
On Friday, June 1, 2018, 3:48:07 PM EDT, Ryan Noguchi via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
Hi, John.?
I don't recall ever receiving that indication that I've received one of my
own packets repeated by FS-3, even when I've been iGated or completed a QSO.
However, I'm usually being bombarded by so many non-APRS packets in the
downlink on nearly a continuous basis for almost the entire pass that I
wouldn't be surprised if the D72's user interface or decoding processing
just isn't able to keep up in real time.?
73, Ryan AI6DO
? ? On Friday, June 1, 2018, 11:56:50 AM PDT, John Brier
<johnbrier@?????.???> wrote:?
At the risk of introducing confusion based on my inexperience using FS-3, I
will say that I do know when using the D72 with the ISS digipeater or with
any standard simplex digipeater, when your packet is repeated you do get
realtime visual and audio indication it was repeated. The radio makes a
unique audio alert when it receives its own packets repeated back and the
screen flashes "MY POSITION" above "via RS0ISS" or whatever the callsign of
the digipeater is. This can be seen in my video below. The limitation I am
familiar with is that your repeated/received packets do not then show up in
the LIST, which can be confusing, as it was for me as seen in the below.
video. I believe the D74 does allow you to view your repeated/received
packets in its LIST.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woSzJ-PtH2M&feature=youtu.be&t=36
73, John Brier KG4AKV
?
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 16:28:41 -0400
From: Robert Bruninga <bruninga@????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Standard for AMSAT status board observations
of FS-3
Message-ID: <b95f66f5ea64d80e05ca33df2ceecdbc@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
I used to know the answer. But too old to remember.
It might be that, even though the radio is full duplex, the TNC might be
half duplex? And since the satellite turns around the packet INSTANTLY to
the downlink, that the TNC is not ready to receive packets quick enough?
This can be proved not true if anyone has ever seen their own downlink
packet.
BUT Wait, all it takes is anything else queued up on a busy downlink to
cause the data to be queued up a bit and then you will see your own packet
because every thing is waiting a few milliseconds.
So Seeing or not-seeing your own packets may or may not prove anything about
this theory.
Back under my rock. Bob, WB4APR
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one "should" see decoded Msgs in the "MSG" list on the D72A, however.
Correct?
Rob KA2CZU
On Friday, June 1, 2018, 3:48:07 PM EDT, Ryan Noguchi via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
Hi, John.
I don't recall ever receiving that indication that I've received one of my
own packets repeated by FS-3, even when I've been iGated or completed a QSO.
However, I'm usually being bombarded by so many non-APRS packets in the
downlink on nearly a continuous basis for almost the entire pass that I
wouldn't be surprised if the D72's user interface or decoding processing
just isn't able to keep up in real time.
73, Ryan AI6DO
On Friday, June 1, 2018, 11:56:50 AM PDT, John Brier
<johnbrier@?????.???> wrote:
At the risk of introducing confusion based on my inexperience using FS-3, I
will say that I do know when using the D72 with the ISS digipeater or with
any standard simplex digipeater, when your packet is repeated you do get
realtime visual and audio indication it was repeated. The radio makes a
unique audio alert when it receives its own packets repeated back and the
screen flashes "MY POSITION" above "via RS0ISS" or whatever the callsign of
the digipeater is. This can be seen in my video below. The limitation I am
familiar with is that your repeated/received packets do not then show up in
the LIST, which can be confusing, as it was for me as seen in the below.
video. I believe the D74 does allow you to view your repeated/received
packets in its LIST.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woSzJ-PtH2M&feature=youtu.be&t=36
73, John Brier KG4AKV
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 20:17:24 +0000
From: "Devin L. Ganger" <devin@????????.???>
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Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Standard for AMSAT status board observations
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Mark,
Serious question from a newbie:
Case 1: I hear no traffic from the bird, and nothing I send digipeats. How
should we report it?
Case 2: I hear other traffic from the bird, but nothing I send digipeats.
How should we report it?
In case 1, are we supposed to assume that since we can hear traffic from
other users, the uplink and downlink are both active?
In case 2, how do we distinguish between "something is wrong with the bird"
and "something is wrong with how I'm trying to send?"
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Hi All,
I guess this Is a difference between the general user and me as a command
station :-) if I see a report that it?s downlink only, it triggers a bit of
anxiety regarding the operation of the satellite.
If I were to listen to AO-92, but was unable to hear myself when
transmitting, should I report downlink only? Different, but similar.
I guess my point is this, not hearing anything doesn?t mean it?s not
working. A report of Downlink only to me, anyhow, implies something is wrong
with the satellite. See the subtlety?
Here?s another nuance, figure the status report is a satellite status
report, not a users experience report.
In the end, it doesn?t really matter :-) I?m glad to see the reports are
being made for our satellites. It?s helpful, sometimes even when it?s not
very precise.
Mark N8MH
On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 12:17 PM Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) <
amsat-bb@??????.???> wrote:
> Hi Ryan!
>
> I'm with you on how to report on the AMSAT status page. If I don't see
> my packets being digipeated when using my TH-D72 or TM-D710, I mark my
> reports as "Downlink Only". If I see my packets being digipeated, or I
> see other stations using the digipeater, I'll go with "Uplink and
> Downlink Active".
>
> As for the pass times, they gradually move earlier in the day. I have
> what should be some decent passes this afternoon, and I hope to work
> one or two of them from the Prescott Hamfest in north-central Arizona
> later with my
> TH-D72 & Elk - same setup I used last week, when I worked you via
> FalconSat-3.
>
> 73!
>
>
>
>
> Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
> http://www.wd9ewk.net/
> Twitter: @?????? or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 2:28 PM, Ryan Noguchi via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> > I've been reporting my observations on the AMSAT Live OSCAR
> > Satellite Status page. For the FM and linear satellites, it's a
> > no-brainer: if I hear live traffic on the bird, or if I hear myself
> > being transponded,
> then
> > clearly "Uplink and Downlink Active" is appropriate.
> >
> > However, for the packet satellites, what's the criteria for
> > reporting the uplink as active? The past two days, I've received
> > continuous streams of non-APRS packets from FalconSat-3 on two
> > passes, but despite manually sending my beacons many times on each
> > pass, I don't get digipeated (at least no iGate seems to be picking
> > up the traffic) and I don't receive
> any
> > APRS packets from anyone else.
> > My TH-D72A is properly configured per Patrick WD9EWK's excellent
> > tutorial, and I've made QSOs earlier in the week with the radio in
> > the
> same
> > configuration it's in now. The only difference seems to be that I'm
> working
> > FS-3 much earlier in the day, on a weekday, than I have in the past.
> > I'm just using a TH-D72A, so for all I know, a dozen ops are having
> > a grand
> ol'
> > time on the BBS.
> >
> > I've been reporting these passes as "Downlink Only." Is that appropriate?
> > I seem to be the only one this week who reported FalconSat-3 as
> > anything but open for business. I'm planning to try one or more
> > passes later
> today.
> >
> >
> > 73, Ryan AI6DO
> >
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