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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Standard for AMSAT status board observations of FS-3
(Ryan Noguchi)
2. Re: Standard for AMSAT status board observations of FS-3
(Ryan Noguchi)
3. Re: Standard for AMSAT status board observations of FS-3
(Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
4. Re: Standard for AMSAT status board observations of FS-3
(Mark L. Hammond)
5. Re: Standard for AMSAT status board observations of FS-3
(Mark L. Hammond)
6. Re: Standard for AMSAT status board observations of FS-3
(Ryan Noguchi)
7. QSLs (Ken Alexander)
8. Re: Standard for AMSAT status board observations of FS-3
(Mark L. Hammond)
9. Re: Standard for AMSAT status board observations of FS-3
(Ryan Noguchi)
10. Re: Standard for AMSAT status board observations of FS-3
(Mark L. Hammond)
11. Re: Yubileiny RS-30 CW beacon --> bit of a rant (Hans (BX2ABT))
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 20:56:08 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ryan Noguchi <ai6do@?????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Standard for AMSAT status board observations
of FS-3
Message-ID: <449893950.7840443.1527886568832@????.?????.???>
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No, I see the messages that I sent. I don't think I'm seeing messages that
I sent and then received back and decoded. The radio knows (and stores) what
I sent even if it never receives it back. And I can't see the beacons that I
sent.?
73, Ryan AI6DO
On Friday, June 1, 2018, 1:16:14 PM PDT, Robert Switzer via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
one "should" see decoded Msgs in the "MSG" list on the D72A, however.
Correct?
Rob KA2CZU
? ? On Friday, June 1, 2018, 3:48:07 PM EDT, Ryan Noguchi via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:?
? Hi, John.?
I don't recall ever receiving that indication that I've received one of my
own packets repeated by FS-3, even when I've been iGated or completed a QSO.
However, I'm usually being bombarded by so many non-APRS packets in the
downlink on nearly a continuous basis for almost the entire pass that I
wouldn't be surprised if the D72's user interface or decoding processing
just isn't able to keep up in real time.?
73, Ryan AI6DO
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 21:04:56 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ryan Noguchi <ai6do@?????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Standard for AMSAT status board observations
of FS-3
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The pass I just got on had a much more sedate downlink, with a
roughly-estimated average of about one PFS3-1 or PFS3-11 undecoded packet
about every 4 seconds or so over the course of the pass. Despite seeing a
bunch of beacon and message traffic by WD9EWK and KB6LTY and completing a
QSO with WD9EWK, I was able to get that My Message indication for the first
time in quite a while, and see my beacons and messages get sent with no more
than a second or two delay.? A huge change from the past couple of days,
with no change in my configuration.?
I can certainly report FS-3 was Blue for this pass. Thanks for the QSO,
Patrick! It seemed like you got a steady stream of traffic on AO-91 just
before, enough that I couldn't get through myself, which is my typical
experience on the FM birds during daylight hours.?
73, Ryan AI6DO
On Friday, June 1, 2018, 12:31:01 PM PDT, Patrick STODDARD
(WD9EWK/VA7EWK) <amsat-bb@??????.???> wrote:
John,
Normally, working FalconSat-3 should be the same as any
other orbiting digipeater, where you would see a "My
Message" or "My Position" notification on your HT's screen
when you are digipeated. FalconSat-3 sends down so much
data, that it is possible your HT misses the digipeated
packet, or it received it with a series of other packets
so fast you miss the on-screen notification. That's why
I find myself checking the listing of stations heard and
message listings during a FalconSat-3 pass, in case I
missed something.
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 21:12:55 +0000
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb@??????.???>
To: Ryan Noguchi <ai6do@?????.???>, AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Standard for AMSAT status board observations
of FS-3
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Ryan,
Thanks for the FalconSat-3 QSO a few minutes ago! I never
saw the notifications for my packets being digipeated, but
saw your messages, your position, and received the ACK from
a message I sent you. I also exchanged messages with KB6LTY,
although I never saw her position packets. With our activity
through the digipeater, that was definitely "Uplink and
Downlink Active". :-)
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @?????? or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 9:04 PM, Ryan Noguchi via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> The pass I just got on had a much more sedate downlink, with a
> roughly-estimated average of about one PFS3-1 or PFS3-11 undecoded packet
> about every 4 seconds or so over the course of the pass. Despite seeing a
> bunch of beacon and message traffic by WD9EWK and KB6LTY and completing a
> QSO with WD9EWK, I was able to get that My Message indication for the first
> time in quite a while, and see my beacons and messages get sent with no
> more than a second or two delay. A huge change from the past couple of
> days, with no change in my configuration.
>
> I can certainly report FS-3 was Blue for this pass. Thanks for the QSO,
> Patrick! It seemed like you got a steady stream of traffic on AO-91 just
> before, enough that I couldn't get through myself, which is my typical
> experience on the FM birds during daylight hours.
>
> 73, Ryan AI6DO
>
> On Friday, June 1, 2018, 12:31:01 PM PDT, Patrick STODDARD
> (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) <amsat-bb@??????.???> wrote:
>
> John,
>
> Normally, working FalconSat-3 should be the same as any
> other orbiting digipeater, where you would see a "My
> Message" or "My Position" notification on your HT's screen
> when you are digipeated. FalconSat-3 sends down so much
> data, that it is possible your HT misses the digipeated
> packet, or it received it with a series of other packets
> so fast you miss the on-screen notification. That's why
> I find myself checking the listing of stations heard and
> message listings during a FalconSat-3 pass, in case I
> missed something.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 17:15:09 -0400
From: "Mark L. Hammond" <marklhammond@?????.???>
To: "Devin L. Ganger" <devin@????????.???>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Standard for AMSAT status board observations
of FS-3
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Hi Devin, guess my advice is to use good judgment and logic :) I?m no
expert on how we should report. Just making the point about the possible
ambiguity in some reporting.
Mark N8MH
On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 4:17 PM Devin L. Ganger <devin@????????.???> wrote:
> Mark,
>
> Serious question from a newbie:
>
> Case 1: I hear no traffic from the bird, and nothing I send digipeats. How
> should we report it?
> Case 2: I hear other traffic from the bird, but nothing I send digipeats.
> How should we report it?
>
> In case 1, are we supposed to assume that since we can hear traffic from
> other users, the uplink and downlink are both active?
>
> In case 2, how do we distinguish between "something is wrong with the
> bird" and "something is wrong with how I'm trying to send?"
>
> --
> Devin L. Ganger (WA7DLG)
> email: devin@????????.???
> web: Devin on Earth
> cell: +1 425.239.2575
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???> On Behalf Of Mark L. Hammond
> Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 12:45 PM
> To: amsat-bb@??????.???
> Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Standard for AMSAT status board observations of
> FS-3
>
> Hi All,
>
> I guess this Is a difference between the general user and me as a command
> station :-) if I see a report that it?s downlink only, it triggers a bit of
> anxiety regarding the operation of the satellite.
>
> If I were to listen to AO-92, but was unable to hear myself when
> transmitting, should I report downlink only? Different, but similar.
>
> I guess my point is this, not hearing anything doesn?t mean it?s not
> working. A report of Downlink only to me, anyhow, implies something is
> wrong with the satellite. See the subtlety?
>
> Here?s another nuance, figure the status report is a satellite status
> report, not a users experience report.
>
> In the end, it doesn?t really matter :-) I?m glad to see the reports are
> being made for our satellites. It?s helpful, sometimes even when it?s not
> very precise.
>
>
> Mark N8MH
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 12:17 PM Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) <
> amsat-bb@??????.???> wrote:
>
> > Hi Ryan!
> >
> > I'm with you on how to report on the AMSAT status page. If I don't see
> > my packets being digipeated when using my TH-D72 or TM-D710, I mark my
> > reports as "Downlink Only". If I see my packets being digipeated, or I
> > see other stations using the digipeater, I'll go with "Uplink and
> > Downlink Active".
> >
> > As for the pass times, they gradually move earlier in the day. I have
> > what should be some decent passes this afternoon, and I hope to work
> > one or two of them from the Prescott Hamfest in north-central Arizona
> > later with my
> > TH-D72 & Elk - same setup I used last week, when I worked you via
> > FalconSat-3.
> >
> > 73!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
> > http://www.wd9ewk.net/
> > Twitter: @?????? or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 2:28 PM, Ryan Noguchi via AMSAT-BB <
> > amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> >
> > > I've been reporting my observations on the AMSAT Live OSCAR
> > > Satellite Status page. For the FM and linear satellites, it's a
> > > no-brainer: if I hear live traffic on the bird, or if I hear myself
> > > being transponded,
> > then
> > > clearly "Uplink and Downlink Active" is appropriate.
> > >
> > > However, for the packet satellites, what's the criteria for
> > > reporting the uplink as active? The past two days, I've received
> > > continuous streams of non-APRS packets from FalconSat-3 on two
> > > passes, but despite manually sending my beacons many times on each
> > > pass, I don't get digipeated (at least no iGate seems to be picking
> > > up the traffic) and I don't receive
> > any
> > > APRS packets from anyone else.
> > > My TH-D72A is properly configured per Patrick WD9EWK's excellent
> > > tutorial, and I've made QSOs earlier in the week with the radio in
> > > the
> > same
> > > configuration it's in now. The only difference seems to be that I'm
> > working
> > > FS-3 much earlier in the day, on a weekday, than I have in the past.
> > > I'm just using a TH-D72A, so for all I know, a dozen ops are having
> > > a grand
> > ol'
> > > time on the BBS.
> > >
> > > I've been reporting these passes as "Downlink Only." Is that
> appropriate?
> > > I seem to be the only one this week who reported FalconSat-3 as
> > > anything but open for business. I'm planning to try one or more
> > > passes later
> > today.
> > >
> > >
> > > 73, Ryan AI6DO
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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> > the official views of AMSAT-NA.
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> --
> Mark L. Hammond [N8MH]
> _______________________________________________
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Mark L. Hammond [N8MH]
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 18:06:02 -0400
From: "Mark L. Hammond" <marklhammond@?????.???>
To: Ryan Noguchi <ai6do@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Standard for AMSAT status board observations
of FS-3
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Great. Yes less PBBS means better Digi.
I am convinced the attitude of FS-3 varies, and it matters. Elevation
alone sometimes isn?t enough!
Mark N8MH
On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 5:38 PM Ryan Noguchi via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> The pass I just got on had a much more sedate downlink, with a
> roughly-estimated average of about one PFS3-1 or PFS3-11 undecoded packet
> about every 4 seconds or so over the course of the pass. Despite seeing a
> bunch of beacon and message traffic by WD9EWK and KB6LTY and completing a
> QSO with WD9EWK, I was able to get that My Message indication for the first
> time in quite a while, and see my beacons and messages get sent with no
> more than a second or two delay. A huge change from the past couple of
> days, with no change in my configuration.
>
> I can certainly report FS-3 was Blue for this pass. Thanks for the QSO,
> Patrick! It seemed like you got a steady stream of traffic on AO-91 just
> before, enough that I couldn't get through myself, which is my typical
> experience on the FM birds during daylight hours.
>
> 73, Ryan AI6DO
>
> On Friday, June 1, 2018, 12:31:01 PM PDT, Patrick STODDARD
> (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) <amsat-bb@??????.???> wrote:
>
> John,
>
> Normally, working FalconSat-3 should be the same as any
> other orbiting digipeater, where you would see a "My
> Message" or "My Position" notification on your HT's screen
> when you are digipeated. FalconSat-3 sends down so much
> data, that it is possible your HT misses the digipeated
> packet, or it received it with a series of other packets
> so fast you miss the on-screen notification. That's why
> I find myself checking the listing of stations heard and
> message listings during a FalconSat-3 pass, in case I
> missed something.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
--
Mark L. Hammond [N8MH]
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 23:08:03 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ryan Noguchi <ai6do@?????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Standard for AMSAT status board observations
of FS-3
Message-ID: <1032300116.7885824.1527894484014@????.?????.???>
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I'd agree that the attitude of the satellite affects link margin, given the
geometry of the antennas in the satellite drawings I've seen.?
This FS-3 pass I just tried must have had a lot more PBBS traffic, not quite
as much as Wed or Thu, but much more than two hours ago, maybe one packet
every 2 seconds or so. I wasn't iGated, despite sending my beacon several
times manually. If the downlink is this full of PBBS packets, is that clear
evidence that the uplink is active, since only a successful uplink to the
PBBS would trigger the flood of packets??
73, Ryan AI6DO
On Friday, June 1, 2018, 3:06:13 PM PDT, Mark L. Hammond
<marklhammond@?????.???> wrote:
Great. Yes less PBBS means better Digi. ??I am convinced the attitude of
FS-3 varies, and it matters. ? Elevation alone sometimes isn?t enough!?
Mark N8MH?
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 23:54:44 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ken Alexander <k.alexander@??????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] QSLs
Message-ID: <1094515367.7890409.1527897284834@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
I have a small stack of QSL cards from people looking for verifications for
grids I have roved to.? This is to let you know you're going to be waiting
for a while.? I have a million things to do as I prepare to move the first
week of July.? A lot of tasks are being pushed to the back burner.
The computer I use create my QSLs on and print from is already taken apart
and packed.? My printer is too large and heavy to move.? I have to try and
sell it or scrap it.? Then I have to save up and buy a new printer when I
get established in Thailand...not to mention convincing my new wife of the
necessity!? It'll be several months before I'm back in the QSL card business.
Anyone wishing to avoid these delays should consider signing up for Logbook
of the World.? All the information for every satellite QSO I have ever made
is already there.? It's free to sign up and takes, what...half an hour??
Upload the data for your QSOs with me and they will be verified in minutes.
if you absolutely have to have paper QSLs then you'll be waiting while.
If you're some kind of ARRL-hater and won't sign up for LoTW on principle
then hooray for you.? Make yourself comfortable while you wait.
Finally, I'll be activating many grids on my Grand Finale Rove coming up in
a few weeks.? If you want a paper QSL from me then just e-mail me with the
particulars and I'll send you one when I can.? This goes for QSLs for past
contacts; please don't send me any more QSL cards.? I'm moving to Thailand
with whatever I can fit in three suitcases (or less).? QSL cards, even my
old SWL cards going back to 1966 will not be making the trip.
Thanks and 73,
KenVE3HLS
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 20:10:32 -0400
From: "Mark L. Hammond" <marklhammond@?????.???>
To: Ryan Noguchi <ai6do@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Standard for AMSAT status board observations
of FS-3
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Sounds like good logic, Ryan!
Mark N8MH
On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 7:28 PM Ryan Noguchi via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> I'd agree that the attitude of the satellite affects link margin, given
> the geometry of the antennas in the satellite drawings I've seen.
>
> This FS-3 pass I just tried must have had a lot more PBBS traffic, not
> quite as much as Wed or Thu, but much more than two hours ago, maybe one
> packet every 2 seconds or so. I wasn't iGated, despite sending my beacon
> several times manually. If the downlink is this full of PBBS packets, is
> that clear evidence that the uplink is active, since only a successful
> uplink to the PBBS would trigger the flood of packets?
>
> 73, Ryan AI6DO
>
>
> On Friday, June 1, 2018, 3:06:13 PM PDT, Mark L. Hammond <
> marklhammond@?????.???> wrote:
>
> Great. Yes less PBBS means better Digi. I am convinced the attitude of
> FS-3 varies, and it matters. Elevation alone sometimes isn?t enough!
> Mark N8MH
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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Mark L. Hammond [N8MH]
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2018 01:17:15 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ryan Noguchi <ai6do@?????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Standard for AMSAT status board observations
of FS-3
Message-ID: <2070269545.7892948.1527902235364@????.?????.???>
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So, to be clear, you're saying that the flood of PFS3-1, -11, -12 packets
is only initiated by a PBBS user's uplink, and is not autonomously initiated
by the satellite based on time, location, insolation, or some other stimulus
that is not communicated to the satellite via the 145.840 MHz uplink, correct?
73, Ryan AI6DO
On Friday, June 1, 2018, 5:10:44 PM PDT, Mark L. Hammond
<marklhammond@?????.???> wrote:
Sounds like good logic, Ryan!
Mark N8MH
On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 7:28 PM Ryan Noguchi via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
?I'd agree that the attitude of the satellite affects link margin, given the
geometry of the antennas in the satellite drawings I've seen.?
This FS-3 pass I just tried must have had a lot more PBBS traffic, not quite
as much as Wed or Thu, but much more than two hours ago, maybe one packet
every 2 seconds or so. I wasn't iGated, despite sending my beacon several
times manually. If the downlink is this full of PBBS packets, is that clear
evidence that the uplink is active, since only a successful uplink to the
PBBS would trigger the flood of packets??
73, Ryan AI6DO
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 22:02:05 -0400
From: "Mark L. Hammond" <marklhammond@?????.???>
To: Ryan Noguchi <ai6do@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Standard for AMSAT status board observations
of FS-3
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Hi Ryan,
Extra! Extra! Read all about it ;)
https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/FalconSAT-3-Status-
Packets.pdf
The "flood" is from a ground station requesting a directory update and/or a
file download. Specifics in the above PDF will spell it all out.
Mark N8MH
On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 9:17 PM, Ryan Noguchi via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> So, to be clear, you're saying that the flood of PFS3-1, -11, -12 packets
> is only initiated by a PBBS user's uplink, and is not autonomously
> initiated by the satellite based on time, location, insolation, or some
> other stimulus that is not communicated to the satellite via the 145.840
> MHz uplink, correct?
>
> 73, Ryan AI6DO
>
> On Friday, June 1, 2018, 5:10:44 PM PDT, Mark L. Hammond <
> marklhammond@?????.???> wrote:
>
> Sounds like good logic, Ryan!
> Mark N8MH
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 7:28 PM Ryan Noguchi via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> I'd agree that the attitude of the satellite affects link margin, given
> the geometry of the antennas in the satellite drawings I've seen.
>
> This FS-3 pass I just tried must have had a lot more PBBS traffic, not
> quite as much as Wed or Thu, but much more than two hours ago, maybe one
> packet every 2 seconds or so. I wasn't iGated, despite sending my beacon
> several times manually. If the downlink is this full of PBBS packets, is
> that clear evidence that the uplink is active, since only a successful
> uplink to the PBBS would trigger the flood of packets?
>
> 73, Ryan AI6DO
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
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Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2018 11:15:36 +0800
From: "Hans (BX2ABT)" <hans.bx2abt@???.?????.???>
To: Scott <scott23192@?????.???>
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Yubileiny RS-30 CW beacon --> bit of a rant
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Hi Scott,
Yet another website with amateur satellite info. As a sat beginner you
quickly find out that the amateur satellite world is a very disorganized
place. I know it is an illusion that the perfect information source
exists, but as messy as it is now.......... The same goes for software.
Let's start with names: some use the AMSAT designators (OA-91), others
use common names (Fox-1B), yet others use the NORAD number or the NSSDC
ID. So you have to juggle with naming conventions between different
websites and software/apps.
Then websites: you would think that the AMSAT website has at least the
minimum amount of information on past and present amateur satellites.
First: what AMSAT website? There is AMSAT in the US, AMSAT-UK, AMSAT-EA,
AMSAT-ON...... As the US is usually leading the way, let's go to the
AMSAT-NA site. I am interested in Athenoxat-1 and skCube. Quick
search.......nothing. Ok, to their status page which says: "This web
page was created to give a single global reference point for all users
in the Amateur Satellite Service to show the most up-to-date status of
all satellites as actually reported in real time by users around the
world." If so, why are there only a handful of birds listed? This will
confuse the heck out of sat newbies.
So you send me to the DK3WN site, which seems rather complete and
up-to-date. (BTW, it usually scares me when one person creates such an
extensive and well organized website on which many people rely. What if
the good OM goes SK? The same goes for software, btw). Look up the
status of Yublileiny RS-30? Active! If you dig a bit deeper you will
find the last report from November 2012, so it is obvious that the bird
is dead (or sleeping very deeply). But it is listed as active, which I
believe and subsequently I might waste a lot of time tracking a bird
that is not there.
You are right, Scott, you gave me one way to answer my question and I
thank you for that. The "bit of a rant" above is not directed at you, at
all, but I hope it will help make the world a bit better, especially for
sat newbies who read this: if you're confused and a bit
frustrated........YOU ARE NOT ALONE.
73 de Hans
BX2ABT
On 06/01/2018 11:25 PM, Scott wrote:
> >>> what other sats do have reliable and reasonably strong beacons (in
> morse code)?
>
> One way to answer that would be to look at the following page and
> search for "CW".? Then, check to see if the status shows "ACTIVE".
>
> http://www.dk3wn.info/p/?page_id=29535
>
> 73!
>
> -Scott,? K4KDR
>
>
> ==========================================
>
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 10:39 AM, Hans (BX2ABT)
> <hans.bx2abt@???.?????.??? <mailto:hans.bx2abt@???.?????.???>> wrote:
>
> Hello Hugh and Jean-Pierre,
>
> Thanks for pointing out SatNOGS to me. I'm new to sats and didn't
> realize that SatNOGS had this capability. I'll check it out.
>
> So it seems RS-30 is dead. I checked the SatNOGS recordings, but I
> couldn't detect any CW. A pity, 'cause back in 2009 it was one of
> the first sat signals I received on my HT with a simple antenna.
>
> I asked this question before on this list, but what other sats do
> have reliable and reasonably strong beacons (in morse code)? Any
> suggestions are welcome. Cheers.
>
> Hans
>
> BX2ABT
>
>
>
> On 06/01/2018 10:10 PM, Jean-Pierre Godet wrote:
>
> ? Hi, Hans,
>
> ? The last record of Yubileiny-1 RS-30 CW telemetry I done was
> on november 12th 2012. It died sometime in november 2012 and
> the CW beacon was on 435.315 MHz and was pure CW A1. 435.215
> MHz was used by the digital telemetry downlink (with the
> russian Doka-B ground stations). But anyway, I listen from
> time to time to the frequencies of the missing birds, just in
> case... My russian favorite was Mozhyets-4 RS-22.? :-) and my
> favorite chinese Xiwang-1 (Hope-1, HO-68)my favorite, which is
> still possible to hear from time to time when solar panels are
> under the sun (like AO-7).
>
> ? Hans, there are a lot of others satellites sending CW
> telemetry on 70 cm.
>
>
>
> On 01/06/2018 13:15, Hans (BX2ABT) wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I'm trying out my 4 element 70cm LFA and (finally)
> received some decent signals from Athenoxat-1 (437.485
> MHz). I had some good passes for Yubileiny RS-30 in the
> last couple of days, but I didn't observe anything. So,
> questions:
>
> 1) is RS-30 dead or still alive?
>
> 2) if alive, on which frequency is the morse code beacon
> active 435.215 or 435.315?
>
> 3) what mode should I use then: FMN or pure CW.
>
> I would like to know if anybody has observed RS-30
> recently. On the web I can't find any recent observations.
> Thank you.
>
>
> Hans
>
> BX2ABT
>
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