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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Standard for AMSAT status board observations of FS-3
(Ryan Noguchi)
2. DSLWP UHF Test Plan on May 31, Jun 1 and Jun 3 (???)
3. Re: Es'hail - Friedrichshafen Ham Radio 2018 (M5AKA)
4. Re: DSLWP UHF Test Plan on May 31, Jun 1 and Jun 3
(Dimitry Borzenko)
5. Re: Wisp and NO -5 (Mineo Wakita)
6. Re: Wisp and NO -5 (Mineo Wakita)
7. Beginner Resources (Brad Brooks)
8. True bearings vs. magnetic (Rick)
9. Easy Rotor Controller (ERC-M), SATPC32, and Yaesu G5400B
Antenna Rotor (Roger Heindl)
10. Re: True bearings vs. magnetic (Jim Walls)
11. Easy Rotor Controller (ERC-M), SATPC32, and Yaesu G5400B
Antenna Rotor (Dave Ryan)
12. Re: Easy Rotor Controller (ERC-M), SATPC32, and Yaesu G5400B
Antenna Rotor (Joe Werth)
13. Re: True bearings vs. magnetic (Jim Jerzycke)
14. Re: True bearings vs. magnetic (Joe)
15. Re: True bearings vs. magnetic (John KI4RO)
16. Wisp & Settings (Vincenzo Mone)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2018 16:00:21 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ryan Noguchi <ai6do@?????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Standard for AMSAT status board observations
of FS-3
Message-ID: <150465360.8047748.1527955221981@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Mark,
The document does not define the complete set of conditions under which a
given packet type could be transmitted. To be fair, that was not the
document's intent.?The combination of the document and your operational
experience together tells the story adequately for my purposes (as an
amateur operator, not as a professional systems engineer for
high-reliability space systems), but the document does not do so by itself.?
73, Ryan AI6DO
On Saturday, June 2, 2018, 8:19:31 AM PDT, Mark L. Hammond
<marklhammond@?????.???> wrote:
Actually, I think the answer is in there to match myremarks:
"PFS3-11 > QST-1 :<BBS Broadcast>
This is a packet containing information from the file system, either
directory updates or a part of a file.
The words between the < > are inserted to avoid filling up thescreen with
potentially unprintable? characters and strings of textin a message.
So, it's these packets that you see in response to a directory or
filerequest.? They are the "flood" initiated by groundstations...the other
status type PFS3-11 packets are much less frequent(we can command the bird
to change their frequency, within limits).?
Yes, in this case it's safe trust my operational experience ;)? Beendoing
these birds since AO-16/DO-17/WO-18/LO-19.? The basic PBBS isthe same, for
all these years.? Grateful the Wisp client still runson Win10!
Mark N8MH
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 00:42:17 +0800 (CST)
From: ??? <wmc_jx@???.???>
To: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] DSLWP UHF Test Plan on May 31, Jun 1 and Jun 3
Message-ID: <71213686.6b00.163c160d173.Coremail.wmc_jx@???.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GBK
Hi OMs,
The test for DSLWP-B UHF is now scheduled from 2 Jun 22:00 UTC to 2 Jun
23:50 UTC, and from 3 Jun 02:30 UTC to 3 Jun 03:30 UTC.
We will change the mode of the transmitters to 250 bps GMSK and JT4G on
435.4 MHz (GMSK every 5 min, JT4G every 10 min, JT4G has higher priority),
and 250 bps GMSK on 436.4 MHz (every 5 min). Corresponding demod grcs should
be used.
We upload some updates for gr-dslwp: https://github.com/bg2bhc/gr-dslwp
Tracking file updates can be found on: https://github.com/bg2bhc/dslwp_doc
or http://lilacsat.hit.edu.cn/tle/program_tracking_dslwp-b.txt
Updated version of Live CD:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ptga7XfgQ--qsnD4QhpNiRRUIW3c626L/view?usp=sha
ring
Best Regards and 73!
Wei BG2BHC
--
WEI Mingchuan
Research Center of Satellite Technology
Harbin Institute of Technology
mobile: +86-189-4501-5242
e-mail: wmc_jx@???.???? bg2bhc@?????.???
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2018 16:51:30 +0000 (UTC)
From: M5AKA <m5aka@?????.??.??>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Es'hail - Friedrichshafen Ham Radio 2018
Message-ID: <638386412.13951879.1527958290582@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Yes, I'm looking forward to it, however, although the satellite may be
ready there's still been no word on a possible launch.
73 Trevor M5AKA
On Saturday, 2 June 2018, 16:44:18 GMT+1, Jean Marc Momple
<jean.marc.momple@?????.???> wrote:
Trevor,
Thanks for the info.
I am fully ready for it this side, both Tx & Rx setup already tested and
antennas already pointed, just waiting for it.
Seems that finally we may have the first GEO.
73
Jean Marc (3B8DU)
> On Jun 2, 2018, at 7:19 PM, M5AKA via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> Earlier today David Bowman @????? Tweeted: Peter DB2OS. Es'hail 2"The
satellite is ready to be shipped to the launch site"
>
> 73 Trevor M5AKA
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2018 17:26:42 +0000
From: "Dimitry Borzenko" <4z5cp@????????.???>
To: ??? <wmc_jx@???.???>, "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] DSLWP UHF Test Plan on May 31, Jun 1 and Jun 3
Message-ID: <em70207d52-55fa-469f-a8eb-1c2a749f1d34@?????>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8
Hello Wei and group.
Have checked new LiveCD- makes problem, FrontEnd DSLWP RXRTL loads 4 i7
CPUs 90%, so demodulator doesn't works terminal show message about too
many packet drops.....
de 4z5cp
------ Original Message ------
From: "???" <wmc_jx@???.???>
To: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Sent: 31.05.2018 11:32:18
Subject: [amsat-bb] DSLWP UHF Test Plan on May 31, Jun 1 and Jun 3
>Hi OMs,
>
>
>We are planning two tests for UHF of DSLWP-B, from 31 May 16:00 UTC to
>31 May 18:00 UTC, and from 1 Jun 02:00 UTC to 1 Jun 04:00 UTC.
>
>
>We will change the mode of the transmitters to 250 bps GMSK and JT4G on
>435.4 MHz (GMSK every 5 min, JT4G every 10 min, JT4G has higher
>priority), and 250 bps GMSK on 436.4 MHz (every 5 min). Corresponding
>demod grcs should be used.
>
>
>Some more tests are planned on Jun 3, and detailed time TBD.
>
>
>The temperature of onboard batteries is a little higher than expected,
>that's why UHF is not always on.
>
>
>
>Tracking file updates can be found on:
>https://github.com/bg2bhc/dslwp_doc or
>http://lilacsat.hit.edu.cn/tle/program_tracking_dslwp-b.txt
>
>
>Updated version of Live CD:
>https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ptga7XfgQ--qsnD4QhpNiRRUIW3c626L/view?usp=sh
aring
>
>
>Best Regards and 73!
>
>
>Wei BG2BHC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--
>
>WEI Mingchuan
>
>
>Research Center of Satellite Technology
>Harbin Institute of Technology
>mobile: +86-189-4501-5242
>e-mail: wmc_jx@???.???? bg2bhc@?????.???
>_______________________________________________
>Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>Opinions expressed
>are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>of AMSAT-NA.
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>program!
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 05:39:55 +0900
From: "Mineo Wakita" <ei7m-wkt@?????????.??.??>
To: <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Wisp and NO -5
Message-ID: <D1555DEB63094D34B75592491580369B@??????>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-2022-jp";
reply-type=original
Please refer,
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/wisp_no5.htm
JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 07:17:13 +0900
From: "Mineo Wakita" <ei7m-wkt@?????????.??.??>
To: <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Wisp and NO -5
Message-ID: <D1D1706601984415A201CB0754A6A5F7@??????>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-2022-jp";
reply-type=original
Please refer,
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/wisp_no5.htm
JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2018 18:53:45 -0500
From: Brad Brooks <brad.wf7t@?????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Beginner Resources
Message-ID:
<CAONzx537oQ6SEGvOk7eNhdswi1afnfCBSn-1xh4hmE2MyePesA@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Butch, satellite operation can be daunting. There is a TON of information
out there however. Let me suggest a couple of resources:
Start here --> https://www.amsat.org/station-and-operating-hints/
Also, look into getting this book -->
https://www.amsat.org/product/2018-edition-of-getting-started-with-amateur-sat
ellites/
You didn't say what aspect of Sat operation you are interested in, or the
scope of the middle school ground station, but there is plenty of good
starter info above.
As to the quality of information on this EMAIL reflector, it is what it is.
This is NOT a threaded BBS, it is an email service. As to the storehouse of
info, you can peruse the amsat-bb archives which I find quite helpful.
There is quite a lot of info on Social Media as well. My suggestion is to
review the link above, and ask your questions here and your social media of
choice in order to further your knowledge.
73 Brad WF7T
Nashville, TN EM66
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2018 11:31:31 -0400
From: Butch <occamrazr@?????.???>
To: AMSAT-BB@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] My two cents on this BBS vs. " A forum"
Message-ID: <38E62D65-A5EF-4D7E-BA9C-453F08B85CD2@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
I am an old ham but new to satellite operations and I?m building a ground
station for a local middle school.
I fully support AMSAT and this BBS. I have been on this BBS for a few
months now looking for information that I could use. I?ve gotten good
responses to my specific questions, but as a resource for newbies, I find
it lacking. This BBS seems to me more of a ?chat line? than a store house
of knowledge.
I would like to suggest that AMSAT create a forum that keeps up to date
info on specific subjects such as active satellites, specific satellites
(and their quirks), basic info for newbies, product reviews, volunteer
Elmers, homebrew projects, buy/sell/trade, etc. In this way, the
accumulated knowledge is stored and searchable and not tossed into the
recycle bin.
I would also like to suggest that AMSAT survey its members to get some real
data on their thoughts rather than just having an open ended discussion.
Thanks for listening.
Butch K8KO
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2018 19:28:36 -0600
From: Rick <scruzan1@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] True bearings vs. magnetic
Message-ID:
<CAB44Sxb2ucbTERe4AZDa=Cpf3xzLFEDCV293S-hRLqeN0dfsuQ@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
I recently saw a question about this, but missed the answer. Being a newbie
to sats also, I was wondering about that too. I assume it?s true bearings,
because if it were magnetic, that would entail everyone to calculate the
declination from there locale. So is it true?
Thanks!
Rick
KE6LL
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2018 21:51:32 -0500
From: Roger Heindl <rwheindl@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] Easy Rotor Controller (ERC-M), SATPC32, and Yaesu
G5400B Antenna Rotor
Message-ID:
<CAJ0MD7CCwPv_UjD+vd7rwBXBcf_=av7Q7pSfY4MQGC7qiCS9vg@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
The Milwaukee Radio Amateur Club is sponsoring and assembling an ARISS
contact station. We've purchased an ERC-M USB from Vibroplex and installed
SATPC32 on a Windows 7 laptop.
Our initial tests with the included software for the ERC work and we can
control the rotor when we specify COM4. However when we launch SATPC32, the
Rotor options for Yaesu only list LPT ports. Could anyone provide guidance
for a way to specify USB COM4 for the ERC in the SATPC32 software?
Reading the archives, it seems like others have been successful with this
configuration. Could someone provide us with additional information on your
setup for SATPC32? Or should we possibly consider an alternate software
such as GPredict (though GPredict only had network settings for rotor
control, I didn't see any COM port fields in GPredict either). I'm a bit
confused how others set this up.
Thanks for any assistance,
Roger
AC9BT
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2018 20:59:55 -0700
From: Jim Walls <jim@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] True bearings vs. magnetic
Message-ID: <2652255e-6a64-5689-2cb4-05fd97df46cd@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
On 6/2/2018 18:28, Rick wrote:
> I recently saw a question about this, but missed the answer. Being a newbie
> to sats also, I was wondering about that too. I assume it?s true bearings,
> because if it were magnetic, that would entail everyone to calculate the
> declination from there locale. So is it true?
Correct. True.
--
73
-------------------------------------
Jim Walls - K6CCC
jim@?????.???
Ofc: 818-548-4804
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/k6ccc/
AMSAT Member 32537 - WSWSS Member 395
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 07:43:16 +0000 (UTC)
From: Dave Ryan <dave4e@?????.???>
To: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Easy Rotor Controller (ERC-M), SATPC32, and Yaesu
G5400B Antenna Rotor
Message-ID: <562091349.8182384.1528011796322@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Hi?You set the com port in the SDX server.?
Set up is described in manual?
www.dk1tb.de/manual_e.htm
Dave M0GIW?
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 07:33:31 -0500
From: Joe Werth <jcwerth1@?????.???>
To: Roger Heindl <rwheindl@?????.???>
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Easy Rotor Controller (ERC-M), SATPC32, and
Yaesu G5400B Antenna Rotor
Message-ID: <5465ECF1-91F6-4B6E-907C-7464D5B7666E@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Roger,
You might look at PSTRotator software. It supports ERC and the COM
ports...and is inexpensive software.
Joe. KE9AJ
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 2, 2018, at 9:51 PM, Roger Heindl <rwheindl@?????.???> wrote:
>
> The Milwaukee Radio Amateur Club is sponsoring and assembling an ARISS
> contact station. We've purchased an ERC-M USB from Vibroplex and installed
> SATPC32 on a Windows 7 laptop.
>
> Our initial tests with the included software for the ERC work and we can
> control the rotor when we specify COM4. However when we launch SATPC32, the
> Rotor options for Yaesu only list LPT ports. Could anyone provide guidance
> for a way to specify USB COM4 for the ERC in the SATPC32 software?
>
> Reading the archives, it seems like others have been successful with this
> configuration. Could someone provide us with additional information on your
> setup for SATPC32? Or should we possibly consider an alternate software
> such as GPredict (though GPredict only had network settings for rotor
> control, I didn't see any COM port fields in GPredict either). I'm a bit
> confused how others set this up.
>
> Thanks for any assistance,
> Roger
> AC9BT
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2018 23:15:05 -0400
From: Jim Jerzycke <kq6ea@???????.???>
To: scruzan1@?????.???? amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] True bearings vs. magnetic
Message-ID: <163c3a42481-c93-34994@?????????????.???.???????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Yes, you want "Map North" and not "Magnetic North".
The USGS lists magnetic deviation needed to correct your compass readings.
In Southern California I had to make a 12.5* correction. Here in Northern
Colorado it's only 8.5*.
Jim Jerzycke
kq6ea@???????.???
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick <scruzan1@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Sent: Sun, Jun 3, 2018 3:09 am
Subject: [amsat-bb] True bearings vs. magnetic
I recently saw a question about this, but missed the answer. Being a
newbieto sats also, I was wondering about that too. I assume it?s true
bearings,because if it were magnetic, that would entail everyone to
calculate thedeclination from there locale. So is it
true?Thanks!RickKE6LL_______________________________________________Sent via
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 09:59:27 -0500
From: Joe <nss@???.???>
To: Jim Jerzycke <kq6ea@???????.???>, scruzan1@?????.????
amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] True bearings vs. magnetic
Message-ID: <a2be85d2-48e7-728b-809f-c0eabd3fd630@???.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Imagine if you were in Alaska, true north and magnetic north are 20
degrees off
Joe WB9SBD
Sig
The Original Rolling Ball Clock
Idle Tyme
Idle-Tyme.com
http://www.idle-tyme.com
On 6/2/2018 10:15 PM, Jim Jerzycke wrote:
> Yes, you want "Map North" and not "Magnetic North".
>
>
>
> The USGS lists magnetic deviation needed to correct your compass readings.
In Southern California I had to make a 12.5* correction. Here in Northern
Colorado it's only 8.5*.
>
>
>
>
>
> Jim Jerzycke
> kq6ea@???????.???
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick <scruzan1@?????.???>
> To: amsat-bb <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> Sent: Sun, Jun 3, 2018 3:09 am
> Subject: [amsat-bb] True bearings vs. magnetic
>
> I recently saw a question about this, but missed the answer. Being a
newbieto sats also, I was wondering about that too. I assume it?s true
bearings,because if it were magnetic, that would entail everyone to
calculate thedeclination from there locale. So is it
true?Thanks!RickKE6LL_______________________________________________Sent via
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 12:10:39 -0400
From: John KI4RO <johnki4ro@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] True bearings vs. magnetic
Message-ID:
<CA+-NL40cDFENcbOtv0PBVYiE7GHDNHXfJ90A_1jc9F=gqtgQZg@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
I don't think its all that critical based on what I see here:
http://www.dx-antennas.com/Yagi3.htm
73
John KI4RO
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 17:31:01 +0100
From: Vincenzo Mone <cencinoit@?????.???>
To: "Amsat - BBs" <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Wisp & Settings
Message-ID:
<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAALgqrd2N1rRAiaQvRd7pgRDCgAAAEAAAAA9brrkRlilFlnZI3Br4K2
ABAAAAAA==@?????.??>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hello,
I am trying to set the Wisp on Windows 10 but having problems
to get the settings permanent.
If I go into Tracking and select the satellites I want to have under eyes,
When I close the GSC and shut down the PC on the next
Start-up of the PC and the Wisp program, I get the lower part of the GSC
program
Empty. I have to go again in the tracking tab and select again the
satellites but
At the next shut down and restart I am again at the beginning point.
What to do to get them permanent?
Thanks
73 de Enzo IK8OZV
EasyLog 5 BetaTester
EasyLog PDA BetaTester
WinBollet BetaTester
D.C.I. CheckPoint Regione Campania
Skype: ik8ozv8520
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