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Today's Topics:
1. Re: 2018 Corrected AMSAT Board of Directors Ballots
(Arthur Feller)
2. Re: 2018 Corrected AMSAT Board of Directors Ballots (Eric Fort)
3. Re: 2018 Corrected AMSAT Board of Directors Ballots (Frank)
4. Re: 2018 Corrected AMSAT Board of Directors Ballots (Frank)
5. Re: 2018 Corrected AMSAT Board of Directors Ballots
(Devin L. Ganger)
6. TAPR JAMSAT TRAKBOX Questions (Joe Leikhim)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 00:43:56 -0400
From: Arthur Feller <afeller@????.???>
To: Frank <k6fw1@???????.???>
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] 2018 Corrected AMSAT Board of Directors
Ballots
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Suggest writing your ideas with specific text to use for amending to the
bylaws.
Getting the words right helps you polish your ideas. Ok, so the devil is in
the details, but addressing devilish details early in the process helps your
ideas to be well received and considered.
I hope this helps.
73, art.....
W4ART Arlington VA
http://afeller.us
> On Jul 18, 2018, at 12:24 AM, Frank <k6fw1@???????.???> wrote:
>
> Bylaws can be changed to allow other forms of voting besides mail in
ballots. All is takes is 2/3 of the Directors to vote to amend the bylaws
to allow electronic ballots. This topic should be on the agenda for the
annual meeting in November 2018.
>
> Frank Westphal, K6FW
>
>> On 7/17/18 9:02 PM, Jerry Buxton wrote:
>> I would encourage members to read the Bylaws on the AMSAT website,
>> regarding voting.
>>
>> Jerry Buxton, N?JY
>>
>>> On 7/17/2018 21:06, E.Mike McCardel wrote:
>>> These all are good points and worth further discussion and debate. That
said, paper ballots are how it?s currently done. Reissuing the ballots, to
me, is the only logical way to protect the integrity of the election, for
now. May I suggest that we stay involved and help make the organization grow.
>>>
>>> EMike
>>>
>>> EMike McCardel, AA8EM
>>> Rotating Editor AMSAT News Service
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 9:52 PM, E.Mike McCardel <mccardelm@?????.???> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> While thinking about changes, how about considering ranked choice voting?
>>>>
>>>> EMike
>>>>
>>>> EMike McCardel, AA8EM
>>>> Rotating Editor AMSAT News Service
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 9:48 PM, Stefan Wagener <wageners@?????.???> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Mike!
>>>>>
>>>>> There is nothing wrong with online voting. Done it for years with great
>>>>> success. The benefits far outweigh any risks.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73, Stefan VE4NSA
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018, 8:43 PM Mike Diehl <diehl.mike.a@?????.???>
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Disagree. There are online services that are just as, if not more,
secure
>>>>>> as your medical information or where you spend your money. Going to
print
>>>>>> with anything takes a lot more work than simply providing some
options to a
>>>>>> voting service. Then there?s postage. Online is also more convenient,
you
>>>>>> can pretty much do it anytime, anywhere you want. Think of it like
LOTW for
>>>>>> QSLs, saves a ton in paper, postage and trips to the post.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Last but not least is I don?t see a real threat of people ?hacking? the
>>>>>> elections for jobs that don?t pay and are full of criticism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>> Mike Diehl
>>>>>> W8LID
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 19:44, Eric Fort <
>>>>>> eric.fort.listmail@??????????????.???> wrote:
>>>>>>> Let?s not get into electronic voting. Too much opportunity to ?hack
the
>>>>>> vote?. It?s unfortunate that an error was made and not caught prior
to
>>>>>> printing and mailing but electronic voting is not the answer.
>>>>>>> Eric
>>>>>>> Af6ep
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent using SMTP.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 3:40 PM, Gabriel Zeifman
<gabrielzeifman@?????.???>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> How unfortunate that our cash strapped, technology oriented
>>>>>> organization is
>>>>>>>> having to waste so much money to print and mail two sets of paper
>>>>>> ballots
>>>>>>>> to each and every member. Seems to me that electronic voting would
save
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> organization money, make voting more secure and efficient, prevent
>>>>>> mishaps
>>>>>>>> such as this, and prevent some members from not receiving ballots
like
>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>> year.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>>> Gabe
>>>>>>>> AL6D/VE6NJH
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018, 2:33 PM Clayton Coleman W5PFG
<tasmac@?????.??>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Due to a printing error, the beige-colored ballots mailed to
AMSAT-NA
>>>>>>>>> members for the 2018 Board of Directors election on July 15, 2018
have
>>>>>>>>> been declared void. Any of these voided ballots received at the
>>>>>> AMSAT-NA
>>>>>>>>> office will not be counted.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> New ballots, labeled ?CORRECTED BALLOT 7/20/2018? and printed on
>>>>>>>>> yellow-colored cardstock will be mailed to all AMSAT-NA members.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please vote for no more than three of the 2018 candidates:
>>>>>>>>> Tom Clark, K3IO
>>>>>>>>> Mark Hammond, N8MH
>>>>>>>>> Scott Harvey, KA7FVV
>>>>>>>>> Bruce Paige, KK5DO
>>>>>>>>> Peter Portanova, W2JV
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Directors positions will go to the three candidates receiving
the
>>>>>>>>> highest number of votes. In addition, there will be two alternate
>>>>>>>>> members chosen, based on the next highest number of votes received.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>>>> Clayton
>>>>>>>>> W5PFG
>>>>>>>>> AMSAT-NA Corporate Secretary
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
available
>>>>>>>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>>>>>> Opinions
>>>>>>>>> expressed
>>>>>>>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
views
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> AMSAT-NA.
>>>>>>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>>>>> program!
>>>>>>>>> Subscription settings:
http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>>>>>> Opinions expressed
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>>>>>> of AMSAT-NA.
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>>>>>> program!
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>>>>>> program!
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>>>>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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>>>>>> expressed
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>>>>>>
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>>>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
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AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 21:55:10 -0700
From: Eric Fort <eric.fort.listmail@??????????????.???>
To: Mike Diehl <diehl.mike.a@?????.???>
Cc: Clayton Coleman W5PFG <tasmac@?????.??>, AMSAT Mailing List
<amsat-bb@?????.???>, Gabriel Zeifman <gabrielzeifman@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] 2018 Corrected AMSAT Board of Directors
Ballots
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The basic problem with electronic voting is proving who is behind the
keyboard and tracing the data with integrity such that each voter only casts
one ballot. With paper ballots this is possible. What is done is the paper
ballot is placed in an envelope that is signed by the voter. The signature
and registration info can then be compared on receipt, verifying that one
and only one ballot was cast by that specific voter. The ballot is then
separated from the envelope to be counted assuring the anonymity of the
voter. In the digital realm one can not have anonymity, traceability, and
verifiablity simultaneously. These are mathematically proven therems and
entire papers and PhD thesis?s have been written on this topic proving this
exact thing. Do the research. Paper verified ballots really are the only way.
Eric
Af6ep
Sent using SMTP.
> On Jul 17, 2018, at 6:42 PM, Mike Diehl <diehl.mike.a@?????.???> wrote:
>
> Disagree. There are online services that are just as, if not more, secure
as your medical information or where you spend your money. Going to print
with anything takes a lot more work than simply providing some options to a
voting service. Then there?s postage. Online is also more convenient, you
can pretty much do it anytime, anywhere you want. Think of it like LOTW for
QSLs, saves a ton in paper, postage and trips to the post.
>
> Last but not least is I don?t see a real threat of people ?hacking? the
elections for jobs that don?t pay and are full of criticism.
>
> 73,
> Mike Diehl
> W8LID
>
>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 19:44, Eric Fort
<eric.fort.listmail@??????????????.???> wrote:
>>
>> Let?s not get into electronic voting. Too much opportunity to ?hack the
vote?. It?s unfortunate that an error was made and not caught prior to
printing and mailing but electronic voting is not the answer.
>>
>> Eric
>> Af6ep
>>
>> Sent using SMTP.
>>
>>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 3:40 PM, Gabriel Zeifman <gabrielzeifman@?????.???>
wrote:
>>>
>>> How unfortunate that our cash strapped, technology oriented organization
is
>>> having to waste so much money to print and mail two sets of paper ballots
>>> to each and every member. Seems to me that electronic voting would save
the
>>> organization money, make voting more secure and efficient, prevent mishaps
>>> such as this, and prevent some members from not receiving ballots like
last
>>> year.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Gabe
>>> AL6D/VE6NJH
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018, 2:33 PM Clayton Coleman W5PFG <tasmac@?????.??>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Due to a printing error, the beige-colored ballots mailed to AMSAT-NA
>>>> members for the 2018 Board of Directors election on July 15, 2018 have
>>>> been declared void. Any of these voided ballots received at the AMSAT-NA
>>>> office will not be counted.
>>>>
>>>> New ballots, labeled ?CORRECTED BALLOT 7/20/2018? and printed on
>>>> yellow-colored cardstock will be mailed to all AMSAT-NA members.
>>>>
>>>> Please vote for no more than three of the 2018 candidates:
>>>> Tom Clark, K3IO
>>>> Mark Hammond, N8MH
>>>> Scott Harvey, KA7FVV
>>>> Bruce Paige, KK5DO
>>>> Peter Portanova, W2JV
>>>>
>>>> The Directors positions will go to the three candidates receiving the
>>>> highest number of votes. In addition, there will be two alternate
>>>> members chosen, based on the next highest number of votes received.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Clayton
>>>> W5PFG
>>>> AMSAT-NA Corporate Secretary
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions
>>>> expressed
>>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>>>> AMSAT-NA.
>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
program!
>>>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions expressed
>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 22:39:40 -0700
From: Frank <k6fw1@???????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] 2018 Corrected AMSAT Board of Directors
Ballots
Message-ID: <2f529ee5-df4a-16e1-6c18-eb0a8f5b0053@???????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
If electronic ballots are good enough for the major investment firms
board of directors elections, I can't imagine they would not be good
enough for AMSAT.
Frank
K6FW
On 7/17/18 9:55 PM, Eric Fort wrote:
> The basic problem with electronic voting is proving who is behind the
keyboard and tracing the data with integrity such that each voter only casts
one ballot. With paper ballots this is possible. What is done is the paper
ballot is placed in an envelope that is signed by the voter. The signature
and registration info can then be compared on receipt, verifying that one
and only one ballot was cast by that specific voter. The ballot is then
separated from the envelope to be counted assuring the anonymity of the
voter. In the digital realm one can not have anonymity, traceability, and
verifiablity simultaneously. These are mathematically proven therems and
entire papers and PhD thesis?s have been written on this topic proving this
exact thing. Do the research. Paper verified ballots really are the only way.
>
> Eric
> Af6ep
>
> Sent using SMTP.
>
>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 6:42 PM, Mike Diehl <diehl.mike.a@?????.???> wrote:
>>
>> Disagree. There are online services that are just as, if not more, secure
as your medical information or where you spend your money. Going to print
with anything takes a lot more work than simply providing some options to a
voting service. Then there?s postage. Online is also more convenient, you
can pretty much do it anytime, anywhere you want. Think of it like LOTW for
QSLs, saves a ton in paper, postage and trips to the post.
>>
>> Last but not least is I don?t see a real threat of people ?hacking? the
elections for jobs that don?t pay and are full of criticism.
>>
>> 73,
>> Mike Diehl
>> W8LID
>>
>>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 19:44, Eric Fort
<eric.fort.listmail@??????????????.???> wrote:
>>>
>>> Let?s not get into electronic voting. Too much opportunity to ?hack the
vote?. It?s unfortunate that an error was made and not caught prior to
printing and mailing but electronic voting is not the answer.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>> Af6ep
>>>
>>> Sent using SMTP.
>>>
>>>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 3:40 PM, Gabriel Zeifman <gabrielzeifman@?????.???>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>> How unfortunate that our cash strapped, technology oriented
organization is
>>>> having to waste so much money to print and mail two sets of paper ballots
>>>> to each and every member. Seems to me that electronic voting would save
the
>>>> organization money, make voting more secure and efficient, prevent
mishaps
>>>> such as this, and prevent some members from not receiving ballots like
last
>>>> year.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Gabe
>>>> AL6D/VE6NJH
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018, 2:33 PM Clayton Coleman W5PFG <tasmac@?????.??>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Due to a printing error, the beige-colored ballots mailed to AMSAT-NA
>>>>> members for the 2018 Board of Directors election on July 15, 2018 have
>>>>> been declared void. Any of these voided ballots received at the AMSAT-NA
>>>>> office will not be counted.
>>>>>
>>>>> New ballots, labeled ?CORRECTED BALLOT 7/20/2018? and printed on
>>>>> yellow-colored cardstock will be mailed to all AMSAT-NA members.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please vote for no more than three of the 2018 candidates:
>>>>> Tom Clark, K3IO
>>>>> Mark Hammond, N8MH
>>>>> Scott Harvey, KA7FVV
>>>>> Bruce Paige, KK5DO
>>>>> Peter Portanova, W2JV
>>>>>
>>>>> The Directors positions will go to the three candidates receiving the
>>>>> highest number of votes. In addition, there will be two alternate
>>>>> members chosen, based on the next highest number of votes received.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Clayton
>>>>> W5PFG
>>>>> AMSAT-NA Corporate Secretary
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>>>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions
>>>>> expressed
>>>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>>>>> AMSAT-NA.
>>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
program!
>>>>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions expressed
>>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
of AMSAT-NA.
>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
program!
>>>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions expressed
>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 22:57:05 -0700
From: Frank <k6fw1@???????.???>
To: "Devin L. Ganger" <devin@????????.???>, "amsat-bb@?????.????
<amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] 2018 Corrected AMSAT Board of Directors
Ballots
Message-ID: <38b1d6f2-bd7c-fbf7-25c5-7e398da31975@???????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
I do too.? I received my ballot today with 40 cents postage on the
envelope.? AMSAT has around 3000 members last count I remember reading.?
That means it cost $1200 in postage to mail out the ballots the first
time.? Now the second mailing will cost another $1200 in postage.? Now
add the cost of envelopes, paper and printing.? How many members have to
renew at $48 to pay for the election.? For a small organization fighting
to survive financially this is not an insignificant amount of money.
73,
Frank
K6FW
On 7/17/18 10:46 PM, Devin L. Ganger wrote:
> I, for one, want to spend AMSAT $$$ on satellites and ground terminals,
not voting systems.
>
> Maybe I'm crazy.
>
>
> --
> Devin L. Ganger (WA7DLG)
> email:?devin@????????.???
> web:?Devin on Earth
> cell:?+1 425.239.2575
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???> On Behalf Of Frank
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 10:40 PM
>> To: amsat-bb@?????.???
>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] 2018 Corrected AMSAT Board of Directors Ballots
>>
>> If electronic ballots are good enough for the major investment firms
board of
>> directors elections, I can't imagine they would not be good enough for
>> AMSAT.
>>
>> Frank
>> K6FW
>> On 7/17/18 9:55 PM, Eric Fort wrote:
>>> The basic problem with electronic voting is proving who is behind the
>> keyboard and tracing the data with integrity such that each voter only
casts
>> one ballot. With paper ballots this is possible. What is done is the
paper ballot
>> is placed in an envelope that is signed by the voter. The signature and
>> registration info can then be compared on receipt, verifying that one and
>> only one ballot was cast by that specific voter. The ballot is then
separated
>> from the envelope to be counted assuring the anonymity of the voter. In the
>> digital realm one can not have anonymity, traceability, and verifiablity
>> simultaneously. These are mathematically proven therems and entire papers
>> and PhD thesis?s have been written on this topic proving this exact
thing. Do
>> the research. Paper verified ballots really are the only way.
>>> Eric
>>> Af6ep
>>>
>>> Sent using SMTP.
>>>
>>>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 6:42 PM, Mike Diehl <diehl.mike.a@?????.???> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Disagree. There are online services that are just as, if not more,
secure as
>> your medical information or where you spend your money. Going to print
>> with anything takes a lot more work than simply providing some options to a
>> voting service. Then there?s postage. Online is also more convenient, you
can
>> pretty much do it anytime, anywhere you want. Think of it like LOTW for
>> QSLs, saves a ton in paper, postage and trips to the post.
>>>> Last but not least is I don?t see a real threat of people ?hacking? the
>> elections for jobs that don?t pay and are full of criticism.
>>>> 73,
>>>> Mike Diehl
>>>> W8LID
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 19:44, Eric Fort
<eric.fort.listmail@??????????????.???>
>> wrote:
>>>>> Let?s not get into electronic voting. Too much opportunity to ?hack the
>> vote?. It?s unfortunate that an error was made and not caught prior to
>> printing and mailing but electronic voting is not the answer.
>>>>> Eric
>>>>> Af6ep
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent using SMTP.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 3:40 PM, Gabriel Zeifman
>> <gabrielzeifman@?????.???> wrote:
>>>>>> How unfortunate that our cash strapped, technology oriented
>>>>>> organization is having to waste so much money to print and mail two
>>>>>> sets of paper ballots to each and every member. Seems to me that
>>>>>> electronic voting would save the organization money, make voting
>>>>>> more secure and efficient, prevent mishaps such as this, and
>>>>>> prevent some members from not receiving ballots like last year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>> Gabe
>>>>>> AL6D/VE6NJH
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018, 2:33 PM Clayton Coleman W5PFG
>> <tasmac@?????.??> wrote:
>>>>>>> Due to a printing error, the beige-colored ballots mailed to
>>>>>>> AMSAT-NA members for the 2018 Board of Directors election on July
>>>>>>> 15, 2018 have been declared void. Any of these voided ballots
>>>>>>> received at the AMSAT-NA office will not be counted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> New ballots, labeled ?CORRECTED BALLOT 7/20/2018? and printed on
>>>>>>> yellow-colored cardstock will be mailed to all AMSAT-NA members.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please vote for no more than three of the 2018 candidates:
>>>>>>> Tom Clark, K3IO
>>>>>>> Mark Hammond, N8MH
>>>>>>> Scott Harvey, KA7FVV
>>>>>>> Bruce Paige, KK5DO
>>>>>>> Peter Portanova, W2JV
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Directors positions will go to the three candidates receiving
>>>>>>> the highest number of votes. In addition, there will be two
>>>>>>> alternate members chosen, based on the next highest number of
>> votes received.
>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>> Clayton
>>>>>>> W5PFG
>>>>>>> AMSAT-NA Corporate Secretary
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
>>>>>>> available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring
>>>>>>> membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and
>>>>>>> do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
>>>>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur
>> satellite program!
>>>>>>> Subscription settings:
>>>>>>> http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>>>>>>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 05:46:27 +0000
From: "Devin L. Ganger" <devin@????????.???>
To: Frank <k6fw1@???????.???>, "amsat-bb@?????.????
<amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] 2018 Corrected AMSAT Board of Directors
Ballots
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I, for one, want to spend AMSAT $$$ on satellites and ground terminals, not
voting systems.
Maybe I'm crazy.
--
Devin L. Ganger (WA7DLG)
email:?devin@????????.???
web:?Devin on Earth
cell:?+1 425.239.2575
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???> On Behalf Of Frank
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 10:40 PM
> To: amsat-bb@?????.???
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] 2018 Corrected AMSAT Board of Directors Ballots
>
> If electronic ballots are good enough for the major investment firms board
of
> directors elections, I can't imagine they would not be good enough for
> AMSAT.
>
> Frank
> K6FW
> On 7/17/18 9:55 PM, Eric Fort wrote:
> > The basic problem with electronic voting is proving who is behind the
> keyboard and tracing the data with integrity such that each voter only casts
> one ballot. With paper ballots this is possible. What is done is the paper
ballot
> is placed in an envelope that is signed by the voter. The signature and
> registration info can then be compared on receipt, verifying that one and
> only one ballot was cast by that specific voter. The ballot is then
separated
> from the envelope to be counted assuring the anonymity of the voter. In the
> digital realm one can not have anonymity, traceability, and verifiablity
> simultaneously. These are mathematically proven therems and entire papers
> and PhD thesis?s have been written on this topic proving this exact thing.
Do
> the research. Paper verified ballots really are the only way.
> >
> > Eric
> > Af6ep
> >
> > Sent using SMTP.
> >
> >> On Jul 17, 2018, at 6:42 PM, Mike Diehl <diehl.mike.a@?????.???> wrote:
> >>
> >> Disagree. There are online services that are just as, if not more,
secure as
> your medical information or where you spend your money. Going to print
> with anything takes a lot more work than simply providing some options to a
> voting service. Then there?s postage. Online is also more convenient, you
can
> pretty much do it anytime, anywhere you want. Think of it like LOTW for
> QSLs, saves a ton in paper, postage and trips to the post.
> >>
> >> Last but not least is I don?t see a real threat of people ?hacking? the
> elections for jobs that don?t pay and are full of criticism.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Mike Diehl
> >> W8LID
> >>
> >>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 19:44, Eric Fort
<eric.fort.listmail@??????????????.???>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Let?s not get into electronic voting. Too much opportunity to ?hack the
> vote?. It?s unfortunate that an error was made and not caught prior to
> printing and mailing but electronic voting is not the answer.
> >>>
> >>> Eric
> >>> Af6ep
> >>>
> >>> Sent using SMTP.
> >>>
> >>>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 3:40 PM, Gabriel Zeifman
> <gabrielzeifman@?????.???> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> How unfortunate that our cash strapped, technology oriented
> >>>> organization is having to waste so much money to print and mail two
> >>>> sets of paper ballots to each and every member. Seems to me that
> >>>> electronic voting would save the organization money, make voting
> >>>> more secure and efficient, prevent mishaps such as this, and
> >>>> prevent some members from not receiving ballots like last year.
> >>>>
> >>>> 73,
> >>>> Gabe
> >>>> AL6D/VE6NJH
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018, 2:33 PM Clayton Coleman W5PFG
> <tasmac@?????.??> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Due to a printing error, the beige-colored ballots mailed to
> >>>>> AMSAT-NA members for the 2018 Board of Directors election on July
> >>>>> 15, 2018 have been declared void. Any of these voided ballots
> >>>>> received at the AMSAT-NA office will not be counted.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> New ballots, labeled ?CORRECTED BALLOT 7/20/2018? and printed on
> >>>>> yellow-colored cardstock will be mailed to all AMSAT-NA members.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please vote for no more than three of the 2018 candidates:
> >>>>> Tom Clark, K3IO
> >>>>> Mark Hammond, N8MH
> >>>>> Scott Harvey, KA7FVV
> >>>>> Bruce Paige, KK5DO
> >>>>> Peter Portanova, W2JV
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Directors positions will go to the three candidates receiving
> >>>>> the highest number of votes. In addition, there will be two
> >>>>> alternate members chosen, based on the next highest number of
> votes received.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 73,
> >>>>> Clayton
> >>>>> W5PFG
> >>>>> AMSAT-NA Corporate Secretary
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 01:39:35 -0400
From: Joe Leikhim <rhyolite@???????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] TAPR JAMSAT TRAKBOX Questions
Message-ID: <799e2047-0511-f926-0db1-93e3c8a8ef64@???????.???>
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I am on a mission to complete all my nagging projects.
I have a TAPR JAMSAT TRAKBOX that I modified for Y2K and Turbo a while
back and I am now going to replace the ancient BR lithium battery with a
fresh one and install a backlighted LCD display. I find today the 16
position alphanumeric BCD switch seems flaky and unresponsive. Is that
the electronics ignoring it for some reason or do these switches fail?
If the latter, does anyone know of a source of that specific pushbutton
BCD switch?
Also has anyone used a USB to serial adaptor with th TRAKBOX?
--
Joe Leikhim
Leikhim and Associates
Communications Consultants
Oviedo, Florida
JLeikhim@???????.???
407-982-0446
WWW.LEIKHIM.COM
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