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Today's Topics:
1. Re: AO-85 & Wouxun KG-UV9D - more testing (long)
(Pedro Dutra Sousa)
2. Sat rigs for sale (Stephan Greene)
3. Re: Arrow modification (saguaroastro)
4. FT-857D and PstRotator (NA1SA Loon)
5. FT-857D and PstRotator (NA1SA Loon)
6. Re: FT-857D and PstRotator (Scott)
7. Re: FT-857D and PstRotator (Hasan al-Basri)
8. AMSAT at Thunderbird Hamfest in Glendale AZ, 12 January 2019
(Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
9. KLM Crossed Yagis (Tom Lubbers K8TL)
10. Re: Arrow modification (Bill Acito)
11. Re: Arrow modification (John Kludt)
12. Re: Arrow modification (k6vug@?????????.????
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 00:03:03 -0100
From: Pedro Dutra Sousa <pedro@??????????.????>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 & Wouxun KG-UV9D - more testing (long)
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Hi,
I have two of them, and these are my work horses at lunch time passes. They
can handle the job just fine on U/V FM satellites.
1000 memories come handy and all those RX bands too.
73 Pedro CU2ZG
Sent from my iPhone
Please excuse any typos or briefness
> On 2 Jan 2019, at 21:18, Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-717-1197
<dougfaunt@?????.???> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> How do you feel about the Wouxon KG-UV9D Plus these days?
> 73, doug
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2019 20:10:27 -0500
From: Stephan Greene <ks1g04@?????.???>
To: Amsat-bb <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Sat rigs for sale
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I am posting this for a fellow club member who is handling an estate sale
for an SK. Please contact Paul, N4PD, Radio.N4PD@?????.??? with any
questions about this equipment, prices, and shipping or local pickup. I
can vouch that Paul is a very reliable seller. Equipment is in Northern VA
(Wash DC suburbs). Contact Paul for the complete list, I've narrowed it
down to the rigs I think would be of most interest for satellite use.
Kenwood TS-2000 HF/VHF/UHF - $1200.
Yaesu FT-847 - HF/VHF/UHF - $750.
Kenwood TM-D710A - VHF/UHF - $400.
iCom iC-901A - VHF/UHF - $175.
iCom iC-V8000 - VHF - $125.
Yaesu FT-7800R - VHF/UHF - $165.
iCom iC-W32A - VHF/UHF - $100.
Yaesu FT-60R - VHF/UHF - $135.
Yaesu FT-50R - VHF/UHF - $75.
Yaesu VX-170 - VHF/UHF - $50.
Yaesu VX-8DR - VHF/UHF (4 bands) - $350.
73 Steve KS1G FM18
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2019 18:00:31 -0700
From: saguaroastro <saguaroastro@???.???>
To: "k6vug@?????????.???? <k6vug@?????????.???>, Kenneth P Alexander
<ve3hls@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT -BB <AMSAT-BB@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Arrow modification
Message-ID:
<20190103010033.MAT4108.fed1rmfepo201.cox.net@?????????????.???.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Umesh, I have not experienced any of that in either mode. In fact most of my
contact with it were V/u. This is using a KW D7A or D72a
73Rick Tejera (K7TEJ)Saguaro Astronomy ClubWww.saguaroastro.orgThunderbird
Astronomy ClubWww.w7tbc.org
-------- Original message --------From: k6vug@?????????.??? Date: 1/2/19
17:09 (GMT-07:00) To: Kenneth P Alexander <ve3hls@?????.???> Cc: AMSAT -BB
<AMSAT-BB@?????.???> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Arrow modification
The WA5VJB models are great for UHF up and VHF down (assuming duplex ops),
but get severe RX overload for VHF up and UHF down.
73!
Umesh, k6vug
??? On Tuesday, January 1, 2019, 5:53:01 PM PST, Douglas Quagliana
<dquagliana@?????.???> wrote:?
I'm not sure if anyone has modified an Arrow to put the elements in the
same plane.
However, Kent's "cheap LEO" yagi puts the 2m and 70cm elements all in the
same plane, so it can be done (if you know what you are doing.) See
http://www.wa5vjb.com/references/Cheap%20Antennas-LEOs.pdf
73,
Douglas KA2UPW/5
> On Dec 31, 2018, at 9:37 PM, Kenneth P Alexander <ve3hls@?????.???> wrote:
>
> Hi Doug,
>
> Simply moving them into the same plane will likely cause problems because
> the bands are harmonically related.? The 2m elements will make a mess of
> the 70cm radiation pattern if they're in the same plane.? That said, I did
> just stumble across a satellite yagi design where the elements were
> intentionally in the same plane.? Only the 2m yagi is fed and a passive 70
> cm driven element is placed close to the 2m driven element so the 2m
> element excites the 70 cm passive element, causing it to radiate on 70 cm.
> I believe it's called an open sleeve design.? I think it was 3 elements on
> 2m and 3 or 4 elements on 70 cm.? Sorry I didn't bookmark the page.? I
> don't remember where I saw it.? Hopefully someone else saw it and remembers.
>
> Happy New Year,
>
> Ken
> bueng-ken.com
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 10:20 AM Douglas B Tabor via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
>> I?ve been using my well faded Arrow for 4 years. The boom is a much
>> appreciated LIDstick so the old man can swing it as well as a 3 year old.
>>
>> Has anyone modified the Arrow to have 2m and 70cm elements in the same
>> plane (instead of stock 90 degrees)? I?m just curious what the performance
>> result might be - I know it would be easier to get in and out of the
>> RoverMobile instead of doing the twist-and-angle it out.
>>
>> HNY and 73,
>>
>> Doug, N6UA
>>
>> Douglas Tabor
>> dtabor52@??????.???
>>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2019 19:11:36 +0000
From: NA1SA Loon <na1saloon@???????.???>
To: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] FT-857D and PstRotator
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Does anyone use an FT-857D with PstRotator? Just wondering how Omni-Rig
works at keeping doppler up to date.
Loon
NA1SA
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2019 15:28:16 +0000
From: NA1SA Loon <na1saloon@???????.???>
To: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] FT-857D and PstRotator
Message-ID:
<DM6PR05MB3996E302B436BFE1569945A0F28C0@?????????????.????????.????.???????.??
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Does anyone use an FT-857D with PstRotator? Just wondering how Omni-Rig
works at keeping doppler up to date.
Loon
NA1SA
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 03:13:40 -0500
From: Scott <scott23192@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FT-857D and PstRotator
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I have the FT-857D & PSTRotator combination and in a few select
circumstances I let PSTRotator control the tuning on the FT-857D and it
works fine. I don't actually use CAT-control for routine linear satellite
work because I much prefer to manually tune the uplink so that I can stay
exactly on-frequency. (as others have mentioned in the past, the down-side
of CAT control is that it doesn't update the radio when you're
transmitting... but you absolutely can keep MANUALLY tuning the entire time
you're talking)
But it has come in handy when I've wanted to squeak out every possible
degree of elevation when making short-duration transmissions -- in
particular FM command packet uplinks. When the mic is only keyed for a
second or two, you don't drift so far off frequency due to the lack of CAT
adjustments during transmit.
So, it's available when you want it.
-Scott, K4KDR
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On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 2:49 AM NA1SA Loon <na1saloon@???????.???> wrote:
> Does anyone use an FT-857D with PstRotator? Just wondering how Omni-Rig
> works at keeping doppler up to date.
>
> Loon
> NA1SA
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 06:10:56 -0600
From: Hasan al-Basri <hbasri.schiers6@?????.???>
To: NA1SA Loon <na1saloon@???????.???>
Cc: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FT-857D and PstRotator
Message-ID:
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Loon,
The 857d will not accept CAT commands while in transmit, no matter what
software you use. I use with CAT, and set vox for 100 ms drop out...so
every time vox drops (PTT is no longer asserted), the CAT command is
accepted and doppler catches up. Works just fine once you get good at
"pausing".
It is a hardware limitation of the radio, so you have two choices:
Use PTT and drop it frequently, or use Vox set to very short delay and let
it drop PTT for you.
I have no trouble running CAT (used both PST and SDRC)...again, no program
will let you do doppler correction on the FT-857D while PTT is asserted,
but you can get really good at letting or forcing PTT to drop often enough
that it becomes nearly transparent.
73, N0AN
Hasan
On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 1:47 AM NA1SA Loon <na1saloon@???????.???> wrote:
> Does anyone use an FT-857D with PstRotator? Just wondering how Omni-Rig
> works at keeping doppler up to date.
>
> Loon
> NA1SA
>
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 16:46:50 +0000
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb@??????.???>
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT at Thunderbird Hamfest in Glendale AZ, 12
January 2019
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Hi!
I will have an AMSAT booth at the Thunderbird Amateur Radio Club's
Thunderbird Hamfest 2019 on Saturday, 12 January 2019. The hamfest will
be at a new site, at the Glendale Nazarene Church on the corner of 59th
Avenue and Cactus Road in Glendale, Arizona. More information about the
hamfest is available at:
http://www.w7tbc.org/content.php?348-hamfest
During the hamfest, I will have demonstrations of satellite operating. If
you hear WD9EWK on any passes, please call and be a part of the
demonstrations. The hamfest is located in grid DM33, Maricopa County.
All QSOs will be uploaded to Logbook of the World after the hamfest. If
you would like to receive a QSL card for working WD9EWK during the hamfest,
please e-mail me directly with the QSO details. If you are in my log, I
will send you a QSL card.
I will post updates from the hamfest on my @?????? Twitter account. If you
do not use Twitter, you can still see these updates in a web browser at:
http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @?????? or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 12:52:21 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: Tom Lubbers K8TL <k8tl@?????????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] KLM Crossed Yagis
Message-ID:
<12117432.4179.1546537941453@??????????????.???.??.?????????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
I have replaced my KLM's. If anyone is interested and close enough to pick
them up contact me. k8tl@?????????.???
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2019 15:22:18 +0000
From: Bill Acito <w1pa@???????.???>
To: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Arrow modification
Message-ID:
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The various dual-band Moxon designs are in-line, too.
e.g.
http://pp2rr.blogspot.com/2016/07/antena-dual-band-vhfuhf-moxon-yagi.html
Bill W1PA
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 14:35:14 -0500
From: John Kludt <johnnykludt@?????.???>
To: Bill Acito <w1pa@???????.???>
Cc: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Arrow modification
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Folks,
As we look at various designs, are we keeping the link budget in mind? If
these are being used primarily with 5 watt HT's or an HT and a SDR how much
gain on each band is required. Also, is there a requirement for a
connection to each radio or a single connection for something like a D72?
John K4SQC
On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 2:23 PM Bill Acito <w1pa@???????.???> wrote:
> The various dual-band Moxon designs are in-line, too.
>
> e.g.
> http://pp2rr.blogspot.com/2016/07/antena-dual-band-vhfuhf-moxon-yagi.html
>
> Bill W1PA
>
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2019 07:55:38 +0000 (UTC)
From: "k6vug@?????????.???? <k6vug@?????????.???>
To: saguaroastro <saguaroastro@???.???>
Cc: AMSAT -BB <AMSAT-BB@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Arrow modification
Message-ID: <1841405791.6074824.1546588538915@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Thanks for sharing Rick, it helps to compare notes.? I have experienced the
problem with a single coax feeding a full duplex Icom W32A HT as well as two
separate coaxes feeding two radios.? The front-end gets severely de-sensed
esp when the V/U frequencies get close to harmonic relationship.? I guess I
need to investigate further.?
73!Umesh, k6vug
On Wednesday, January 2, 2019, 5:00:36 PM PST, saguaroastro
<saguaroastro@???.???> wrote:
Umesh, I have not experienced any of that in either mode. In fact most of
my contact with it were V/u. This is using a KW D7A or D72a
73Rick Tejera (K7TEJ)Saguaro Astronomy ClubWww.saguaroastro.orgThunderbird
Astronomy ClubWww.w7tbc.org
-------- Original message --------From: k6vug@?????????.??? Date: 1/2/19
17:09 (GMT-07:00) To: Kenneth P Alexander <ve3hls@?????.???> Cc: AMSAT -BB
<AMSAT-BB@?????.???> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Arrow modification
The WA5VJB models are great for UHF up and VHF down (assuming duplex ops),
but get severe RX overload for VHF up and UHF down.
73!
Umesh, k6vug
??? On Tuesday, January 1, 2019, 5:53:01 PM PST, Douglas Quagliana
<dquagliana@?????.???> wrote:?
I'm not sure if anyone has modified an Arrow to put the elements in the
same plane.
However, Kent's "cheap LEO" yagi puts the 2m and 70cm elements all in the
same plane, so it can be done (if you know what you are doing.) See
http://www.wa5vjb.com/references/Cheap%20Antennas-LEOs.pdf
73,
Douglas KA2UPW/5
> On Dec 31, 2018, at 9:37 PM, Kenneth P Alexander <ve3hls@?????.???> wrote:
>
> Hi Doug,
>
> Simply moving them into the same plane will likely cause problems because
> the bands are harmonically related.? The 2m elements will make a mess of
> the 70cm radiation pattern if they're in the same plane.? That said, I did
> just stumble across a satellite yagi design where the elements were
> intentionally in the same plane.? Only the 2m yagi is fed and a passive 70
> cm driven element is placed close to the 2m driven element so the 2m
> element excites the 70 cm passive element, causing it to radiate on 70 cm.
> I believe it's called an open sleeve design.? I think it was 3 elements on
> 2m and 3 or 4 elements on 70 cm.? Sorry I didn't bookmark the page.? I
> don't remember where I saw it.? Hopefully someone else saw it and remembers.
>
> Happy New Year,
>
> Ken
> bueng-ken.com
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 10:20 AM Douglas B Tabor via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
>> I?ve been using my well faded Arrow for 4 years. The boom is a much
>> appreciated LIDstick so the old man can swing it as well as a 3 year old.
>>
>> Has anyone modified the Arrow to have 2m and 70cm elements in the same
>> plane (instead of stock 90 degrees)? I?m just curious what the performance
>> result might be - I know it would be easier to get in and out of the
>> RoverMobile instead of doing the twist-and-angle it out.
>>
>> HNY and 73,
>>
>> Doug, N6UA
>>
>> Douglas Tabor
>> dtabor52@??????.???
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
>> expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
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