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Today's Topics:
1. Cross yagi question (Hans BX2ABT)
2. Yaesu G-5500 Set (Vincenzo Mone)
3. Orlando (Jeff kb2m)
4. Re: Cross yagi question (Hans BX2ABT)
5. Re: Cross yagi question (Burns Fisher)
6. Re: Yaesu G-5500 Set (Burns Fisher)
7. Re: Home Satellite Station - Antenna Mounting Question
(Jeff Davis)
8. Re: Orlando (Ryan Noguchi)
9. Re: Orlando (John Brier)
10. UWE-4 ? (Gustavo Carpignano)
11. Re: Orlando (H. Stephen Nipper)
12. Re: Cross yagi question (Greg D)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 15:12:08 +0800
From: Hans BX2ABT <hans.bx2abt@???.?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] Cross yagi question
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Should the elements of a RHCP cross yagi be centered at the boom, or
should they be off center so that the middle of the H and V elements
cross each other in the middle? My gut feeling says off center, but I'm
not sure. I wonder how this influences the SWR. Cheers,
Hans
BX2ABT
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 11:06:46 +0100
From: "Vincenzo Mone" <vimone@?????.??>
To: "Amsat - BBs" <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Yaesu G-5500 Set
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Hello,
today I was trying to set the full scale of the Elevation and Azimuth
of my Yaesu G-5500 Control box..
For mistake instead to turn the FULL SCALE ADJ pot I have
Turned the OUT VOLTAGE ADJ one.
Now I am not sure if I have reset it to the right position.
Please anybody can tell me how to see if it is positioned in the right
position?
If I need to re set it again can I do it from the shack also with the
antennas mounted
Or I need to do it without antennas? If I can do it also with the antenna
mounted,
Which is the right procedure or is there a tutorial?
Thanks
Also I do not know if it is normal that when I go to move the elevation from
0?,
I see that the needle does not move strait away but after a couple of
seconds that I am pressing
The elevation button.
Is that normal?
Thanks once more
73 de Enzo IK8OZV
EasyLog 5 BetaTester
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 08:03:20 -0500
From: Jeff kb2m <kb2mjeff@???.???>
To: Amsat <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Orlando
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Who's going to Orlando this year?
73 Jeff kb2m
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 21:16:20 +0800
From: Hans BX2ABT <hans.bx2abt@???.?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Cross yagi question
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I'm sorry, but I wasn't complete in my description: I'm talking about
yagis with the elements completely isolated from the boom with saddles
(clamps) mounted on the boom to hold the elements in place. Much like
the original LFA yagis are build. For an image go to my blog at
bx2abt.com. --Hans
On 01/15/2019 03:12 PM, Hans BX2ABT wrote:
> Should the elements of a RHCP cross yagi be centered at the boom, or
> should they be off center so that the middle of the H and V elements
> cross each other in the middle? My gut feeling says off center, but
> I'm not sure. I wonder how this influences the SWR. Cheers,
>
> Hans
>
> BX2ABT
>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 09:05:38 -0500
From: Burns Fisher <burns@??????.??>
To: Hans BX2ABT <hans.bx2abt@???.?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Cross yagi question
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I'm not an antenna designer, but I can tell you that the M2 LEO Pack
crossed yagi elements go through the center of the boom (i.e. across the
radius) and are insulated from it. They don't contact each other because
they are offset from one another along the length of the boom. Of course
the phasing lines have to be adjusted to deal with the elements being
offset.
Is that what you mean?
73,
Burns WB1FJ
On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 8:16 AM Hans BX2ABT <hans.bx2abt@???.?????.???>
wrote:
> I'm sorry, but I wasn't complete in my description: I'm talking about
> yagis with the elements completely isolated from the boom with saddles
> (clamps) mounted on the boom to hold the elements in place. Much like
> the original LFA yagis are build. For an image go to my blog at
> bx2abt.com. --Hans
>
>
> On 01/15/2019 03:12 PM, Hans BX2ABT wrote:
> > Should the elements of a RHCP cross yagi be centered at the boom, or
> > should they be off center so that the middle of the H and V elements
> > cross each other in the middle? My gut feeling says off center, but
> > I'm not sure. I wonder how this influences the SWR. Cheers,
> >
> > Hans
> >
> > BX2ABT
> >
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> > of AMSAT-NA.
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> >
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 09:14:11 -0500
From: Burns Fisher <burns@??????.??>
To: Vincenzo Mone <vimone@?????.??>
Cc: Amsat - BBs <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Yaesu G-5500 Set
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Hi Vencenzo,
The Voltage Out adjustment relates only to the output on the DIN connector
on the back of the control box. So it would affect a GS232 or LVB (or
Green Heron or whatever) computer interface you had plugged in, but not the
meters on the main control box or the antenna positions. If you have
something connected to it, you will want to get the main box on the 5500
adjusted first and then adjust the Voltage Out so your interface box
matches.
As to the meters on the main control box, they should move immediately
assuming that the G5500 moves immediately. You might double check by
measuring the voltage on the feedback line from the 5500. I'd guess that
the mechanical adjustment on the meter itself (a screw on the front of the
meter at about the needle's pivot point) is wrong. I have never had to
adjust mine, but I would put the antenna at 0 degrees and then adjust the
meter so it just touches 0. Then move to 90 or 180 (depending on if you
are using flip mode) and adjust the Full Scale Adj pot so that the meter
reads correctly on that end.
Good luck and 73,
Burns WB1FJ
On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 5:24 AM Vincenzo Mone <vimone@?????.??> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> today I was trying to set the full scale of the Elevation and Azimuth
>
> of my Yaesu G-5500 Control box..
>
> For mistake instead to turn the FULL SCALE ADJ pot I have
>
> Turned the OUT VOLTAGE ADJ one.
>
> Now I am not sure if I have reset it to the right position.
>
> Please anybody can tell me how to see if it is positioned in the right
> position?
>
> If I need to re set it again can I do it from the shack also with the
> antennas mounted
>
> Or I need to do it without antennas? If I can do it also with the antenna
> mounted,
>
> Which is the right procedure or is there a tutorial?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
> Also I do not know if it is normal that when I go to move the elevation
> from
> 0?,
>
> I see that the needle does not move strait away but after a couple of
> seconds that I am pressing
>
> The elevation button.
>
> Is that normal?
>
> Thanks once more
>
>
>
> 73 de Enzo IK8OZV
> EasyLog 5 BetaTester
> EasyLog PDA BetaTester
> WinBollet BetaTester
> D.C.I. CheckPoint Regione Campania
> Skype: ik8ozv8520
>
>
>
>
> *********************************
>
> ****** GSM +39 328 7110193 ******
>
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>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 17:47:45 +0000
From: Jeff Davis <ke9v@???????.???>
To: Scott <scott23192@?????.???>, "amsat-bb@?????.????
<amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Home Satellite Station - Antenna Mounting
Question
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Very nice! How do you handle the routing of cables? Are they just laying on
the roof and then dropped over the edge or do you have some sort of a trough?
Jeff, KE9V
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<scott23192@?????.???>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 12:05 PM
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Home Satellite Station - Antenna Mounting Question
Hi Paul.
A couple of people have written with nice comments after seeing pictures of
my non-penetrating criss-cross roof platform that I have a variety of
antennas mounted on.
Since the following picture was taken, several other omni antennas and a
small dish have been added to my platform - it was designed on purpose to
provide a lot of mounting options. A priority for me was flexibility.
https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.qsl.net%
2Fk%2Fk4kdr%2F%2Fimages%2F2016-05-14--xquads.jpg&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cbd0eac4
d56d54318cee008d67a42ae73%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6368308
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... but of course priority is given to the X-Quads (+ a 2.4 GHz helical
installed since the picture was taken) on the G-5500 rotator.
https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.qsl.net%
2Fk%2Fk4kdr%2F%2Fimages%2Fantenna-trio.jpg&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cbd0eac4d56d54
318cee008d67a42ae73%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6368308241425
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With the weight and friction of four treated 4x4's, several 4x4 & 2x6 cross
pieces, and a half-dozen 1" concrete blocks, I don't have any concerns
about wind.
And finally, standing inside the confines of the platform makes it very
comfortable to work up there. You feel quite secure with a thigh pressed
against the raised sections compared to that uneasy feeling that normally
comes with being on a roof peak.
I hope that helps & best of luck with your project!
-Scott, K4KDR
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On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 11:37 AM Paul Overn via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> Hello,
> I will be moving to a new QTH, and have the opportunity to set up a nice
> satellite home station, but I'm running into some issues in finding
> information:
> So far I know I want the "M2 Leo Pack antenna system", with a Yaesu 5500
> Elv / Az Rotator. This setup will be mounted directly on the roof of my
> house. At this time a tower install is out.
> The issue is: What is the best system for mounting this on the roof? Is
> there a tripod? or will I need to custom make something? Any help would be
> appreciated. I have contacted M2 and DX engineering, but each tell me to
> talk to the other, so not much help there.
> Also, I still need to buy the rotator and antenna system, so if someone
> know of these for sale, let me know.
> Thanks!!!!
>
> Paul Overn
> KE0PBR
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 15:55:37 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ryan Noguchi <ai6do@?????.???>
To: Amsat <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Orlando
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I might be. Why, what's going on in Orlando?
73, Ryan AI6DO
On Tuesday, January 15, 2019, 5:04:34 AM PST, Jeff kb2m
<kb2mjeff@???.???> wrote:
Who's going to Orlando this year?
73 Jeff kb2m
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 11:10:58 -0500
From: John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???>
To: Ryan Noguchi <ai6do@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Orlando
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Hamcation.
73, John Brier KG4AKV
On Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 10:58 Ryan Noguchi via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???
wrote:
> I might be. Why, what's going on in Orlando?
>
> 73, Ryan AI6DO
>
> On Tuesday, January 15, 2019, 5:04:34 AM PST, Jeff kb2m <
> kb2mjeff@???.???> wrote:
>
> Who's going to Orlando this year?
>
> 73 Jeff kb2m
>
>
>
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 16:49:42 +0000 (UTC)
From: Gustavo Carpignano <lw2dtz@?????.???.??>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] UWE-4 ?
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Hi,
Nothing heard of UWE-4 in 435.600 Mhz over South America.
Any news since the frecuency changed?
73 Gustavo,LW2DTZ
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 10:02:25 -0700
From: "H. Stephen Nipper" <stephennipper@?????.???>
To: John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Orlando
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Nope I am saving my money to buy a new radio. Should just about cover a
IC-9700.
On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 9:12 AM John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???> wrote:
> Hamcation.
>
> 73, John Brier KG4AKV
>
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 10:58 Ryan Noguchi via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???
> wrote:
>
> > I might be. Why, what's going on in Orlando?
> >
> > 73, Ryan AI6DO
> >
> > On Tuesday, January 15, 2019, 5:04:34 AM PST, Jeff kb2m <
> > kb2mjeff@???.???> wrote:
> >
> > Who's going to Orlando this year?
> >
> > 73 Jeff kb2m
> >
> >
> >
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--
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Boise, Idaho
N7DJX
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 09:20:36 -0800
From: Greg D <ko6th.greg@?????.???>
To: Burns Fisher <burns@??????.??>, Hans BX2ABT
<hans.bx2abt@???.?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Cross yagi question
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I think Hans is observing that when the elements are mounted in an
insulated saddle on the sides of the boom, if you sight down the antenna
from the end, the horizontal and vertical sets of elements don't cross
at their centers. Rather, they cross about half the diameter of the
boom, plus half the diameter of the elements, away from the element centers.
I think the answer is that this is just fine. Recall that a circular
pattern can be created by having two completely separate antennas
stacked side by side, 90 degrees in relative polarization, and fed with
a phasing line. As long as the antennas are within some reasonable
distance apart, the resulting pattern will be circular. I expect that
being offset by such a small distance as the boom diameter will be of no
consequence.
Hans, you have a good eye for details! Good question. Keep it up.
Greg KO6TH
Burns Fisher wrote:
> I'm not an antenna designer, but I can tell you that the M2 LEO Pack
> crossed yagi elements go through the center of the boom (i.e. across the
> radius) and are insulated from it. They don't contact each other because
> they are offset from one another along the length of the boom. Of course
> the phasing lines have to be adjusted to deal with the elements being
> offset.
>
> Is that what you mean?
>
> 73,
>
> Burns WB1FJ
>
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 8:16 AM Hans BX2ABT <hans.bx2abt@???.?????.???>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm sorry, but I wasn't complete in my description: I'm talking about
>> yagis with the elements completely isolated from the boom with saddles
>> (clamps) mounted on the boom to hold the elements in place. Much like
>> the original LFA yagis are build. For an image go to my blog at
>> bx2abt.com. --Hans
>>
>>
>> On 01/15/2019 03:12 PM, Hans BX2ABT wrote:
>>> Should the elements of a RHCP cross yagi be centered at the boom, or
>>> should they be off center so that the middle of the H and V elements
>>> cross each other in the middle? My gut feeling says off center, but
>>> I'm not sure. I wonder how this influences the SWR. Cheers,
>>>
>>> Hans
>>>
>>> BX2ABT
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>>> of AMSAT-NA.
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>>> program!
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>>>
>>>
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