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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Tesla Field Day mode (jim@?????.????
2. Re: FM Birds, New Grids, and Chaos (Jerry Buxton)
3. Re: FM Birds, New Grids, and Chaos (Robert Switzer)
4. Re: FM Birds, New Grids, and Chaos (Paul Stoetzer)
5. FUNcube Warehouse (David Johnson)
6. Re: FM Birds, New Grids, and Chaos
(Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
7. Re: FM Birds, New Grids, and Chaos (Bob Keating)
8. UT1FG/MM (R.T.Liddy)
9. Re: FM Birds, New Grids, and Chaos (AE5B)
10. Falconsat-3 - The APRS satellite for Mobiles (Robert Bruninga)
11. Re: Tesla Field Day mode (Robert Bruninga)
12. Re: Tesla Field Day mode (Zach Metzinger)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 07:19:54 -0800 (PST)
From: "jim@?????.???? <jim@?????.???>
To: "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Tesla Field Day mode
Message-ID: <1550675994.299112392@????.?????????.???>
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Bob - WB6APR said:
> Tesla is releasing Field-Day mode (er, "party mode") in its models to
allow the vehicle to continue with AC/Heating, Temperature control,
airflow, selective lights and music for up to 48 hours or more while in
Park. The feature will also allow users to power other electric devices
using the electric car's battery.
Very nice! Wish I could afford one...
73
-----
Jim Walls - K6CCC
jim@?????.???
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 10:27:58 -0600
From: Jerry Buxton <n0jy@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Birds, New Grids, and Chaos
Message-ID: <d56bc9f1-49ff-905e-0577-69ede7b6ee39@?????.???>
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Not to deter grid chasing and awards, does every FM bird have to be that
way?? I do miss my start with "portable stuff" a decade or so ago, and
just having quick QSOs with new contacts on SO-50 from the pizzeria
parking lot when I visited Mom and Dad...
Jerry Buxton, N?JY
On 2/19/2019 21:02, Bob wrote:
> I can tell you from personal experience as a satellite mentor, giving
> presentations which always excite potential new satellite users, then
> having them go into the field to experience the bedlam of a FM Satellite,
> that they too often become discouraged and give up. Easysat is a very
> deceptive name, especially on weekends.
>
> 73, Bob, WB4SON
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
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AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 16:32:06 +0000 (UTC)
From: Robert Switzer <rs2atmink@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Birds, New Grids, and Chaos
Message-ID: <947791787.2282003.1550680326856@????.?????.???>
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AMSAT explicitly encourages grid chasing with it's new award system.
On Wednesday, February 20, 2019, 11:30:09 AM EST, Jerry Buxton
<n0jy@?????.???> wrote:
Not to deter grid chasing and awards, does every FM bird have to be that
way?? I do miss my start with "portable stuff" a decade or so ago, and
just having quick QSOs with new contacts on SO-50 from the pizzeria
parking lot when I visited Mom and Dad...
Jerry Buxton, N?JY
On 2/19/2019 21:02, Bob wrote:
> I can tell you from personal experience as a satellite mentor, giving
> presentations which always excite potential new satellite users, then
> having them go into the field to experience the bedlam of a FM Satellite,
> that they too often become discouraged and give up.? Easysat is a very
> deceptive name, especially on weekends.
>
> 73, Bob, WB4SON
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 11:35:03 -0500
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@????.???>
To: Robert Switzer <robert_switzer@???.???>, Robert Switzer
<rs2atmink@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Birds, New Grids, and Chaos
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Though it also encourages use of linear transponders for grid chasing
by giving more points for linear transponder activations.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 11:32 AM Robert Switzer via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> AMSAT explicitly encourages grid chasing with it's new award system.
>
> On Wednesday, February 20, 2019, 11:30:09 AM EST, Jerry Buxton
<n0jy@?????.???> wrote:
>
> Not to deter grid chasing and awards, does every FM bird have to be that
> way? I do miss my start with "portable stuff" a decade or so ago, and
> just having quick QSOs with new contacts on SO-50 from the pizzeria
> parking lot when I visited Mom and Dad...
>
> Jerry Buxton, N?JY
>
> On 2/19/2019 21:02, Bob wrote:
> > I can tell you from personal experience as a satellite mentor, giving
> > presentations which always excite potential new satellite users, then
> > having them go into the field to experience the bedlam of a FM Satellite,
> > that they too often become discouraged and give up. Easysat is a very
> > deceptive name, especially on weekends.
> >
> > 73, Bob, WB4SON
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
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> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 16:37:09 +0000
From: David Johnson <dave@?????.??.??>
To: amsat-bb <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] FUNcube Warehouse
Message-ID: <FAF923DF-CE65-4A65-A196-917D84F00930@?????.??.??>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Hi,
I am doing some config on the server, there may be a few short outages over
the next few hours.
The Dashboards will recover when they detect the server is back up.
Thank you for your patience.
- Dave, G4DPZ
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 17:25:09 +0000
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb@??????.???>
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Birds, New Grids, and Chaos
Message-ID:
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Hi!
AMSAT may encourage this sort of operating, but let's not
forget ARRL with its VUCC award, and the VUCC/r for those
going out and working from other places - and there may be
others, too. N8HM is correct about how AMSAT's Rover Award
encourages the use of linear transponders, but not as many
are on those passes. Same with using packet or other non-FM
modes.
A single-channel satellite will have crowds much of the
time. Compared to the days of AO-51 and AO-27 with their
70cm downlinks, I think AO-91 and AO-92 with their 2m
downlinks have brought out larger crowds. Unless you're
on in the middle of the night, or operating in another
part of the world with a small ham population (I saw
that in Australia a few years ago), it may be unrealistic
to expect to do much more than quick QSOs on FM satellites.
New operators are regularly showing up on the FM passes.
It is fun to regularly hear DX stations on AO-91 and AO-92
passes over the continental USA, something we really didn't
have as much when SO-50 was the only FM satellite we had
for a while. Is AMSAT a victim of its successes with AO-91
and AO-92? Maybe. I'd rather be in the current situation than
a few years ago, when we only had SO-50, AO-7 and FO-29 (plus
the ISS digipeater) as our amateur satellite lineup.
I like chasing grids from home, enjoy going out and working
from wherever I happen to be, and I do a fair bit of promoting
AMSAT and satellite operating at events. Crowds understand
that the single-channel FM satellites are going to be busy.
They also enjoy listening to those passes on their own radios
during the demonstrations - the best way to show how easy
it is to hear AO-91 and AO-92 downlinks, and previously AO-85.
Most in the crowds also understand there are some times where
it would be easier to get through than other times. And there's
always the opportunities to experiment with stations. Even if
I don't make a QSO on a given pass, it is still fun to try
different things.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @?????? or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 4:32 PM Robert Switzer via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> AMSAT explicitly encourages grid chasing with it's new award system.
>
> On Wednesday, February 20, 2019, 11:30:09 AM EST, Jerry Buxton <
> n0jy@?????.???> wrote:
>
> Not to deter grid chasing and awards, does every FM bird have to be that
> way? I do miss my start with "portable stuff" a decade or so ago, and
> just having quick QSOs with new contacts on SO-50 from the pizzeria
> parking lot when I visited Mom and Dad...
>
> Jerry Buxton, N?JY
>
> On 2/19/2019 21:02, Bob wrote:
> > I can tell you from personal experience as a satellite mentor, giving
> > presentations which always excite potential new satellite users, then
> > having them go into the field to experience the bedlam of a FM Satellite,
> > that they too often become discouraged and give up. Easysat is a very
> > deceptive name, especially on weekends.
> >
> > 73, Bob, WB4SON
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 09:40:52 -0800
From: "Bob Keating" <bkeating1954@?????.???>
To: <amsat-bb@??????.???>, "'AMSAT'" <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Birds, New Grids, and Chaos
Message-ID: <001601d4c943$6e587630$4b096290$@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Couldn't agree more with Patrick. I have found the FM birds are most crowded
on the weekends especially when someone has announced a rove and everybody
is chasing those rare grids. Weekday passes are not so crowded and evenings
are even better. In fact, on last night's pass of AO-92 at 8:47 PM PST,
Kristy KB6TLY, was the only person I heard.
73,
Bob N6REK
-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???? On Behalf Of Patrick
STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 9:25 AM
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Birds, New Grids, and Chaos
Hi!
AMSAT may encourage this sort of operating, but let's not forget ARRL with
its VUCC award, and the VUCC/r for those going out and working from other
places - and there may be others, too. N8HM is correct about how AMSAT's
Rover Award encourages the use of linear transponders, but not as many are
on those passes. Same with using packet or other non-FM modes.
A single-channel satellite will have crowds much of the time. Compared to
the days of AO-51 and AO-27 with their 70cm downlinks, I think AO-91 and
AO-92 with their 2m downlinks have brought out larger crowds. Unless you're
on in the middle of the night, or operating in another part of the world
with a small ham population (I saw that in Australia a few years ago), it
may be unrealistic to expect to do much more than quick QSOs on FM satellites.
New operators are regularly showing up on the FM passes.
It is fun to regularly hear DX stations on AO-91 and AO-92 passes over the
continental USA, something we really didn't have as much when SO-50 was the
only FM satellite we had for a while. Is AMSAT a victim of its successes
with AO-91 and AO-92? Maybe. I'd rather be in the current situation than a
few years ago, when we only had SO-50, AO-7 and FO-29 (plus the ISS
digipeater) as our amateur satellite lineup.
I like chasing grids from home, enjoy going out and working from wherever I
happen to be, and I do a fair bit of promoting AMSAT and satellite operating
at events. Crowds understand that the single-channel FM satellites are going
to be busy.
They also enjoy listening to those passes on their own radios during the
demonstrations - the best way to show how easy it is to hear AO-91 and AO-92
downlinks, and previously AO-85.
Most in the crowds also understand there are some times where it would be
easier to get through than other times. And there's always the opportunities
to experiment with stations. Even if I don't make a QSO on a given pass, it
is still fun to try different things.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @?????? or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 4:32 PM Robert Switzer via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> AMSAT explicitly encourages grid chasing with it's new award system.
>
> On Wednesday, February 20, 2019, 11:30:09 AM EST, Jerry Buxton <
> n0jy@?????.???> wrote:
>
> Not to deter grid chasing and awards, does every FM bird have to be
> that way? I do miss my start with "portable stuff" a decade or so
> ago, and just having quick QSOs with new contacts on SO-50 from the
> pizzeria parking lot when I visited Mom and Dad...
>
> Jerry Buxton, N?JY
>
> On 2/19/2019 21:02, Bob wrote:
> > I can tell you from personal experience as a satellite mentor,
> > giving presentations which always excite potential new satellite
> > users, then having them go into the field to experience the bedlam
> > of a FM Satellite, that they too often become discouraged and give
> > up. Easysat is a very deceptive name, especially on weekends.
> >
> > 73, Bob, WB4SON
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
_______________________________________________
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 17:49:23 +0000 (UTC)
From: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl@?????????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] UT1FG/MM
Message-ID: <276106370.2323103.1550684963181@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Grid Chasers,
Just checked eQSL and noticed that 21 QSLs from UT1FG/MM showed up from over
several?years!!! What a surprise!!! I only use LoTW for SAT contacts, so I
hope they are?over there, too.
GL/73,? ? ? ?Bob? K8BL
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 12:50:46 -0600
From: AE5B <ae5b@????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Birds, New Grids, and Chaos
Message-ID: <cc54be0c-eb37-423b-2f6b-8fea23058dc0@????.???>
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Late night AO-92 pass last week and we had a local round table. Three of
us in a 50 mile triangle. We could have visited on 75 meters but then I
would have had to scrape my boots afterwards. More than once last year
when I couldn't sleep, I would check out a night time pass and ended up?
visiting with NA2AA until the bird flew away...all by ourselves.
What irks me is the "Hello Fred, Haven't talked to you since breakfast!"
stuff when there are multiple rovers standing out in the cold on grid
lines, maybe a hundred or so miles away from home, freezing their butt
off. But I gave up on a perfect world when my first kid was born!
John AE5B (The Old Coot)
On 2/20/2019 11:40 AM, Bob Keating wrote:
> Couldn't agree more with Patrick. I have found the FM birds are most
crowded on the weekends especially when someone has announced a rove and
everybody is chasing those rare grids. Weekday passes are not so crowded and
evenings are even better. In fact, on last night's pass of AO-92 at 8:47 PM
PST, Kristy KB6TLY, was the only person I heard.
> 73,
> Bob N6REK
>
>
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 14:06:58 -0500
From: Robert Bruninga <bruninga@????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] Falconsat-3 - The APRS satellite for Mobiles
Message-ID: <09a97c5f8cf7c04a896bf38eec05e2a8@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Work a satellite from your APRS mobile, 5 times a day:
For APRS folks just sittin in their mobile with nothing to do, you can work
FALCONSAT from any APRS Mobile? Just confirm passes using Heavens-above.com
(be sure to enter your location). Though passes now are from about
midnight to 6 AM, that pattern moves earlier about 36 minutes a day so it
will be in the evenings in a few days.
The Falconsat digipeater operates APRS at 9600 baud and works fine from a
50W APRS mobile with mobile antenna. Just turn on your rig, set the
internal TNC to 9600 baud and monitor the downlink. You should see packets
from PFS3-1 and or other stations.
Tune 435.110 MHz at start of pass, then clicking down steps of 5 Khz
towards the middle of the pass and then ending at 435.095 by the end ten
minutes later. If you are just going to monitor overnight, set to 435.105
for the early middle of the pass and check your LIST in the morning.
Uplink takes a bit more settings. Set your PATH to go via PFS3-1 and set
TNC to TX A and RX B and set uplink on band A to 145.84 (no need to step
doppler). Set beacon to once a minute (and turn off decay and
Proportioinal pathing). You will NOT see your own digipeats. Although the
satellite and D710 are operating full duplex, the D710 TNC is not. By the
time the TNC TX/RX turns around, you will already have missed it. So don?t
just keep TXing until success, You WONT see it. But when you DO see
someone else doing APRS, then by all means send them a message. If he
ACKS, then success!
I just did the math. You don?t even need no stinkin computer. Once you
hear a pass, then just remember that passes are 36 minutes earlier each day
and the next pass on any given day is 98 minutes later (unless that was the
last pass of the day). During a western trip, just jotting down the time
of a pass heard, then I could predict pass times therest of the day and
every day for weeks. Always just adding 98 minuets to the next pass and
listening 36 minutes earlier each day. See this manual technique:
http://aprs.org/MobileLEOtracking.html
Here is how WD9EWK describes working FALCONSAT:
https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/FalconSAT-Stoddard-
pdf.pdf
Anyway, it?s a great satellite while mobile that needs no special
antennas. Just keep up with when it is generally coming over and have the
frequencies already programmed into a channel in your radio. Actually,
program four frequencies to make it easy to shift for doppler.
We will try to remind everyone when passes enter more favorable evening or
morning commute hours?
And here is a note I got form himpatrick@??????.??? today:
Bob, WB4APR
*From:* Patrick STODDARD wd9ewk
*Subject:* Re: [amsat-bb] D72 to Falconsat-3 APRS
FalconSAT-3 uplink sensitivity is good. I regularly work it
with 5W from my TH-D72 with a handheld beam? I have used a TM-D710G at its
various power levels, and 5W from the mobile radio works fine.
Downlink power... it is strong. I can hear it a few degrees
above the horizon.
I have used a TH-D72, TM-D710G, a pair of TH-D74s (The TH-D74 cannot
operate APRS crossband)
I wrote about using these different radios, and combinations
of radios, for the AMSAT Journal in late 2017:
https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/FalconSAT-Stoddard-
pdf.pdf
73!
Patrick
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 14:28:59 -0500
From: Robert Bruninga <bruninga@????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Tesla Field Day mode
Message-ID: <ddce629c1fafc3cc4e1f9f47f5d62ca7@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> Very nice! Wish I could afford [a Tesla]...
A Chevy Volt can run a Field Day (or a house under minimum power) for
about 8 hours before it has to start the engine to recharge the battery.
These 3 year-old off-lease Volts go for only about $12k.
-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB On Behalf Of jim k6ccc
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Tesla Field Day mode
Bob - WB6APR said:
> Tesla is releasing Field-Day mode (er, "party mode")
> in its models to allow the vehicle to continue with
> AC/Heating, Temperature control, airflow, selective lights
> and music for up to 48 hours or more while in Park.
> The feature will also allow users to power other electric
> devices using the electric car's battery.
Very nice! Wish I could afford one...
73
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 13:56:59 -0600
From: Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Tesla Field Day mode
Message-ID: <364ab2be-8992-fd6f-fab3-cf529ec53a67@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
On 2/20/19 1:28 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote:
>> Very nice! Wish I could afford [a Tesla]...
>
> A Chevy Volt can run a Field Day (or a house under minimum power) for
> about 8 hours before it has to start the engine to recharge the battery.
> These 3 year-old off-lease Volts go for only about $12k.
Seems a bit overkill when a marine deep-cycle and a solar panel will run
you about $500, no? ;-)
--- Zach
N0ZGO
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