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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Satellite survey of amateur radio operators: Less than
ten 10 days to give our opinion (jim@?????.????
2. ERC M rotor interface? (James Brown)
3. Re: Satellite survey of amateur radio operators: Less than
ten 10 days to give our opinion (Stefan Wagener)
4. Re: Satellite survey of amateur radio operators: Less than
ten 10 days to give our opinion (PETER BUDNIK)
5. Re: Satellite survey of amateur radio operators: Less than
ten 10 days to give our opinion (JoAnne K9JKM)
6. Re: Satellite survey of amateur radio operators: Less than
ten 10 days to give our opinion (Kenneth P Alexander)
7. Re: FM Birds, New Grids, and Chaos (Matthew Stevens)
8. Re: Satellite survey of amateur radio operators: Less than
ten 10 days to give our opinion (H. Stephen Nipper)
9. Re: Satellite survey of amateur radio operators: Less than
ten 10 days to give our opinion (Kenneth P Alexander)
10. Re: FM Birds, New Grids, and Chaos (Scott Medbury)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2019 13:23:24 -0800 (PST)
From: "jim@?????.???? <jim@?????.???>
To: "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Satellite survey of amateur radio operators:
Less than ten 10 days to give our opinion
Message-ID: <1550784204.410822277@????.?????????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8
-----Original Message-----
From: "christophe.mcr" <christophe.mcr@?????.???>
Up to 270 people from 34 country have already fulfill the survey. Some
figure are already available ( http://bit.ly/figureSat ). Answer are
mainly from france.
Since the survey is largely in French, what do you expect? Although the
questions are in poorly worded English, everything else in in French. Most
of the survey requires answers where there is no "None of the above" or
equivalent. I gave up trying...
73
-----
Jim Walls - K6CCC
jim@?????.???
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2019 23:21:24 +0000 (UTC)
From: James Brown <jimki6wj@?????????.???>
To: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] ERC M rotor interface?
Message-ID: <1071513887.3168809.1550791284810@????.?????.???>
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I am using the ERC M interface. works fine with SAT 32.
What settings besides comport and baud and gs232b format do I need for HRD
sat tracking.
I can click on rotator heading and rotor follows but can not make it track
on a satellite.
Jim KI6WJ
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2019 17:31:35 -0600
From: Stefan Wagener <wageners@?????.???>
To: "jim@?????.???? <jim@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Satellite survey of amateur radio operators:
Less than ten 10 days to give our opinion
Message-ID:
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Hi Jim,
....what he expects? Certainly not an answer like yours! Wow, I hope you
help him the next time to be better in his English. How is your French by
the way?
73, Stefan, VE4NSA
On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 3:24 PM jim@?????.??? <jim@?????.???> wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "christophe.mcr" <christophe.mcr@?????.???>
> Up to 270 people from 34 country have already fulfill the survey. Some
> figure are already available ( http://bit.ly/figureSat ). Answer are
> mainly from france.
>
>
>
> Since the survey is largely in French, what do you expect? Although the
> questions are in poorly worded English, everything else in in French. Most
> of the survey requires answers where there is no "None of the above" or
> equivalent. I gave up trying...
>
>
> 73
> -----
> Jim Walls - K6CCC
> jim@?????.???
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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>
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2019 19:58:30 -0500 (EST)
From: PETER BUDNIK <kb1hy2@???????.???>
To: Stefan Wagener <wageners@?????.???>, jim@?????.???
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Satellite survey of amateur radio operators:
Less than ten 10 days to give our opinion
Message-ID: <69980773.638650.1550797110881@???????.???????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Is the survey link still open?
Can you post it again.
Thanks
Peter,KB1HY
> On February 21, 2019 at 6:31 PM Stefan Wagener <wageners@?????.???> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> ....what he expects? Certainly not an answer like yours! Wow, I hope you
> help him the next time to be better in his English. How is your French by
> the way?
>
> 73, Stefan, VE4NSA
>
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 3:24 PM jim@?????.??? <jim@?????.???> wrote:
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "christophe.mcr" <christophe.mcr@?????.???>
> > Up to 270 people from 34 country have already fulfill the survey. Some
> > figure are already available ( http://bit.ly/figureSat ). Answer are
> > mainly from france.
> >
> >
> >
> > Since the survey is largely in French, what do you expect? Although the
> > questions are in poorly worded English, everything else in in French.
Most
> > of the survey requires answers where there is no "None of the above" or
> > equivalent. I gave up trying...
> >
> >
> > 73
> > -----
> > Jim Walls - K6CCC
> > jim@?????.???
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2019 20:11:12 -0600
From: "JoAnne K9JKM" <joanne.k9jkm@?????.???>
To: "'AMSAT'" <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Satellite survey of amateur radio operators:
Less than ten 10 days to give our opinion
Message-ID: <5c6f5a41.1c69fb81.92fd6.04e3@??.??????.???>
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> Is the survey link still open?
> Can you post it again.
Here is the original press release in the AMSAT News Service Bulletin
ANS-041
http://amsat.org/pipermail/ans/2019/001087.html
AMSAT-Francophone Satellite Design and Operation Survey
AMSAT-F has launched an on-line survey to ask how current satellite
users operate and what would they expect from satellite designers.
Christophe Mercier, AMSAT-F President, wrote, "Satellite/nanosatellite
project managers often wish to use amateur radio frequencies for educa-
tional and outreach purposes. The amateur radio community thus offers
them a tremendous potential for monitoring their fragile conception.
They often ask what kind of amateur radio experience would be interest-
ing on board a cubesat or what services they could provide with their
communications systems. The answer can be simple: a transponder, but
these designers would like to bring novelty and innovation."
Access the AMSAT-F survey at:
https://framaforms.org/amsat-francophone-survey-1548716436
The results will be presented at the second AMSAT-F meeting, Rencontre
spatiale radioamateur on 9 and 10 March 2019 in Nanterre, France.
See: http://tinyurl.com/ANS-041-AMSAT-F-Meeting
The AMSAT-F web site can be accessed at: http://site.amsat-f.org/
(Google translate may be helpful)
[ANS thanks Christophe Mercier, AMSAT-F President for the above information]
--
73 de JoAnne K9JKM
k9jkm@?????.???
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2019 21:40:45 -0500
From: Kenneth P Alexander <ve3hls@?????.???>
To: PETER BUDNIK <kb1hy2@???????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Satellite survey of amateur radio operators:
Less than ten 10 days to give our opinion
Message-ID:
<CAPOM0dk3sQ45ocP7SkQvw7Sdbpn42yLKJvow4F6o3XoFk77xEQ@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
I scrolled to the bottom of your message and used the link provided by
JoAnn and filled out the survey.
The buttons on the survey pages have French labels on them. Use your
intuition and should have no problem determining what they are for.
Ken Alexander, VE3HLS
So Phisai, Thailand
Blog: bueng-ken.com
On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 8:00 PM PETER BUDNIK <kb1hy2@???????.???> wrote:
> Is the survey link still open?
> Can you post it again.
>
> Thanks
>
> Peter,KB1HY
> > On February 21, 2019 at 6:31 PM Stefan Wagener <wageners@?????.???>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi Jim,
> >
> > ....what he expects? Certainly not an answer like yours! Wow, I hope you
> > help him the next time to be better in his English. How is your French by
> > the way?
> >
> > 73, Stefan, VE4NSA
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 3:24 PM jim@?????.??? <jim@?????.???> wrote:
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: "christophe.mcr" <christophe.mcr@?????.???>
> > > Up to 270 people from 34 country have already fulfill the survey. Some
> > > figure are already available ( http://bit.ly/figureSat ). Answer are
> > > mainly from france.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Since the survey is largely in French, what do you expect? Although
> the
> > > questions are in poorly worded English, everything else in in French.
> Most
> > > of the survey requires answers where there is no "None of the above" or
> > > equivalent. I gave up trying...
> > >
> > >
> > > 73
> > > -----
> > > Jim Walls - K6CCC
> > > jim@?????.???
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > > expressed
> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of
> > > AMSAT-NA.
> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2019 21:42:31 -0500
From: Matthew Stevens <matthew@?????????.???>
To: Clayton Coleman W5PFG <tasmac@?????.??>
Cc: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Birds, New Grids, and Chaos
Message-ID:
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When I first started out on sats a couple years ago, I had a single half
duplex HT and a borrowed arrow. I listened to two or three passes of so50
and ao85 (the only fm sats available at the time), before ever even trying
to work anyone. The passes were pretty hectic, with NPOTA stations and
rovers, and callsigns getting thrown around. My first contact was a few
days later with Fernando, NP4JV who knew I was going to be on and answered
my call when I finally got brave enough to throw it out there. I've had my
share of irritating passes, missed contacts, getting up at three in the
morning to work a 2 deg pass and getting stomped out by somebody calling cq
who couldn't hear the sat well enough to even tell people were calling
him... And - getting up at 2 in the morning for a different pass and not
making a contact with station in Spain because I thought I knew what I was
doing, but really didn't... that's good motivation to practice and learn :-)
It was all fun, part of the challenge of learning a new skill. The coolness
of talking to people through a thing that's flying around 400km over my
head with an HT or an 817 is still incredible.
So I personally don't understand the idea of people getting scared away
from sats because of crazy passes. Sure, it can get hectic. Sure, we all
complain when somebody transmits a carrier over the entire pass and nobody
makes any contacts. But, that's all just going to be part of the ham radio
experience! The same thing happens on HF, during CQWW it gets crazy but
I've never heard anyone say that "scares new ops away." Sometimes its a
zoo, other times it's not. Seems to me that people who are really
interested and want to learn, grow, and enjoy operating stick with it. The
ones who get spooked and never come back, more than likely would have
eventually lost interest for some other reason (in my observation.) If I am
personally helpful to new ops; and exhibit good operating practice myself,
then there is no reason for me to get upset by what some other lid does on
(or off) the air. Let's try to encourage good operating practice, rather
than just complaining about all the perceived problems on the sats.
- Matthew nj4y
On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 10:15 AM Clayton Coleman W5PFG <tasmac@?????.??>
wrote:
> I support a laissez-faire approach when it comes to FM transponder use.
> Not everyone chases grids. Not everyone chases DX. There are busy passes
> and there are slow passes. It balances out.
>
> When I am out roving, I don't sit and call every station on the pass. I
> normally give my callsign once and wait for others to call me. On
> average, if I'm in a desired grid square, I might receive 20 direct
> calls. If most stations are hearing adequately and adhering to
> generally-accepted operating norms, there is plenty of room in a 11-13
> minute pass for twice that number of QSO's.
>
> Last week, while I was operating from a remote grid in West Texas,
> another station was operating from desired grids further northwest.
> Between us there were nearly 40 clean QSO's, with the potential for
> more. It was amazingly orderly for an FM transponder - on a weekend!
>
> Any transponder is a shared, multi-user resource. Except for emergency
> communications I don't believe consensus exists to prioritize use for
> particular groups (backyard/handheld warriors, rovers, home stations,
> club demo's, hamfests.) Who would make that determination? It would
> likely be unpopular. I try to prioritize the young people, Scouts,
> demos, and new calls but that is MY personal preference. HEARING the
> satellite is critical but LISTENING(comprehension) to the cadence of the
> pass is equally important.
>
> Often I listen to transponders and hear very few stations. Time of day
> and footprint coverage are key elements to determine when a transponder
> will have activity. If someone new is expecting to make their first-ever
> QSO on a Saturday afternoon pass covering an entire continent, their
> expectation might not be met.
>
> 73
> Clayton
> W5PFG
>
> > On Wednesday, February 20, 2019, 11:30:09 AM EST, Jerry Buxton <
> > n0jy at amsat.org> wrote:
> >
> > Not to deter grid chasing and awards, does every FM bird have to be
> that
> > way? I do miss my start with "portable stuff" a decade or so ago, and
> > just having quick QSOs with new contacts on SO-50 from the pizzeria
> > parking lot when I visited Mom and Dad...
> >
> > Jerry Buxton, N?JY
> >
> > On 2/19/2019 21:02, Bob wrote:
> > > I can tell you from personal experience as a satellite mentor, giving
> > > presentations which always excite potential new satellite users, then
> > > having them go into the field to experience the bedlam of a FM
> Satellite,
> > > that they too often become discouraged and give up. Easysat is a very
> > > deceptive name, especially on weekends.
> > >
> > > 73, Bob, WB4SON
> > > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2019 20:39:58 -0700
From: "H. Stephen Nipper" <stephennipper@?????.???>
To: Kenneth P Alexander <ve3hls@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Satellite survey of amateur radio operators:
Less than ten 10 days to give our opinion
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Come on, this hick from the sticks was able to figure out those questions
and answer them. You can do it too.
On Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 7:42 PM Kenneth P Alexander <ve3hls@?????.???> wrote:
> I scrolled to the bottom of your message and used the link provided by
> JoAnn and filled out the survey.
> The buttons on the survey pages have French labels on them. Use your
> intuition and should have no problem determining what they are for.
>
> Ken Alexander, VE3HLS
> So Phisai, Thailand
> Blog: bueng-ken.com
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 8:00 PM PETER BUDNIK <kb1hy2@???????.???> wrote:
>
> > Is the survey link still open?
> > Can you post it again.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Peter,KB1HY
> > > On February 21, 2019 at 6:31 PM Stefan Wagener <wageners@?????.???>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Jim,
> > >
> > > ....what he expects? Certainly not an answer like yours! Wow, I hope
> you
> > > help him the next time to be better in his English. How is your French
> by
> > > the way?
> > >
> > > 73, Stefan, VE4NSA
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 3:24 PM jim@?????.??? <jim@?????.???> wrote:
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: "christophe.mcr" <christophe.mcr@?????.???>
> > > > Up to 270 people from 34 country have already fulfill the survey.
> Some
> > > > figure are already available ( http://bit.ly/figureSat ). Answer
> are
> > > > mainly from france.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Since the survey is largely in French, what do you expect? Although
> > the
> > > > questions are in poorly worded English, everything else in in French.
> > Most
> > > > of the survey requires answers where there is no "None of the above"
> or
> > > > equivalent. I gave up trying...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 73
> > > > -----
> > > > Jim Walls - K6CCC
> > > > jim@?????.???
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
> available
> > > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > Opinions
> > > > expressed
> > > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> > of
> > > > AMSAT-NA.
> > > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> > program!
> > > > Subscription settings:
> http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > Opinions expressed
> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of
> > AMSAT-NA.
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> > program!
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> > _______________________________________________
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> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
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> program!
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> >
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2019 11:38:13 +0700
From: Kenneth P Alexander <ve3hls@?????.???>
To: "H. Stephen Nipper" <stephennipper@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT -BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Satellite survey of amateur radio operators:
Less than ten 10 days to give our opinion
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Qui appelez-vous un "hick"?
Ken,
So Phisai, Thailand
Blog: bueng-ken.com
On Fri, Feb 22, 2019, 10:40 H. Stephen Nipper <stephennipper@?????.???>
wrote:
> Come on, this hick from the sticks was able to figure out those questions
> and answer them. You can do it too.
>
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 7:42 PM Kenneth P Alexander <ve3hls@?????.???>
> wrote:
>
>> I scrolled to the bottom of your message and used the link provided by
>> JoAnn and filled out the survey.
>> The buttons on the survey pages have French labels on them. Use your
>> intuition and should have no problem determining what they are for.
>>
>> Ken Alexander, VE3HLS
>> So Phisai, Thailand
>> Blog: bueng-ken.com
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 8:00 PM PETER BUDNIK <kb1hy2@???????.???> wrote:
>>
>> > Is the survey link still open?
>> > Can you post it again.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Peter,KB1HY
>> > > On February 21, 2019 at 6:31 PM Stefan Wagener <wageners@?????.???>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Hi Jim,
>> > >
>> > > ....what he expects? Certainly not an answer like yours! Wow, I hope
>> you
>> > > help him the next time to be better in his English. How is your
>> French by
>> > > the way?
>> > >
>> > > 73, Stefan, VE4NSA
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 3:24 PM jim@?????.??? <jim@?????.???> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: "christophe.mcr" <christophe.mcr@?????.???>
>> > > > Up to 270 people from 34 country have already fulfill the survey.
>> Some
>> > > > figure are already available ( http://bit.ly/figureSat ). Answer
>> are
>> > > > mainly from france.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Since the survey is largely in French, what do you expect? Although
>> > the
>> > > > questions are in poorly worded English, everything else in in
>> French.
>> > Most
>> > > > of the survey requires answers where there is no "None of the
>> above" or
>> > > > equivalent. I gave up trying...
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > 73
>> > > > -----
>> > > > Jim Walls - K6CCC
>> > > > jim@?????.???
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > _______________________________________________
>> > > > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
>> available
>> > > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> > Opinions
>> > > > expressed
>> > > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
>> views
>> > of
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Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2019 22:34:10 -0600
From: Scott Medbury <smedbury@??????????.???>
To: matthew@?????????.???
Cc: Clayton Coleman W5PFG <tasmac@?????.??>, AMSAT-BB
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Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Birds, New Grids, and Chaos
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Having begun working LEOs over the past 20 years. All of my over 4000 qsos
have been made using an ht on either half or full duplex. I have chased
grids but get as much pleasure from activating? rare grids and counties. I
like many others have encountered the LIDS and ragchewers who hog the pass
or cannot hear the downlink so I feel your pain. If everyone is courteous
and uses the minimum power necessary to complete a contact, then there
should be room for everyone.
Don't forget that activation of rare grids, POTA and counties do not occur
with every pass or every bird. There is paper to chase that doesn't interest
everyone, just like not everyone can have an earth station with a tracking
array that takes the challenge out of the contact.
73... Scott KD5FBA
Scott Medbury
Sent from my Verizon Motorola Droid
On Feb 21, 2019 8:42 PM, Matthew Stevens <matthew@?????????.???> wrote:
>
> When I first started out on sats a couple years ago, I had a single half
> duplex HT and a borrowed arrow. I listened to two or three passes of so50
> and ao85 (the only fm sats available at the time), before ever even trying
> to work anyone. The passes were pretty hectic, with NPOTA stations and
> rovers, and callsigns getting thrown around. My first contact was a few
> days later with Fernando, NP4JV who knew I was going to be on and answered
> my call when I finally got brave enough to throw it out there. I've had my
> share of irritating passes, missed contacts, getting up at three in the
> morning to work a 2 deg pass and getting stomped out by somebody calling cq
> who couldn't hear the sat well enough to even tell people were calling
> him... And - getting up at 2 in the morning for a different pass and not
> making a contact with station in Spain because I thought I knew what I was
> doing, but really didn't... that's good motivation to practice and learn :-)
>
> It was all fun, part of the challenge of learning a new skill. The coolness
> of talking to people through a thing that's flying around 400km over my
> head with an HT or an 817 is still incredible.
>
> So I personally don't understand the idea of people getting scared away
> from sats because of crazy passes. Sure, it can get hectic. Sure, we all
> complain when somebody transmits a carrier over the entire pass and nobody
> makes any contacts. But, that's all just going to be part of the ham radio
> experience! The same thing happens on HF, during CQWW it gets crazy but
> I've never heard anyone say that "scares new ops away." Sometimes its a
> zoo, other times it's not. Seems to me that people who are really
> interested and want to learn, grow, and enjoy operating stick with it. The
> ones who get spooked and never come back, more than likely would have
> eventually lost interest for some other reason (in my observation.) If I am
> personally helpful to new ops; and exhibit good operating practice myself,
> then there is no reason for me to get upset by what some other lid does on
> (or off) the air. Let's try to encourage good operating practice, rather
> than just complaining about all the perceived problems on the sats.
>
> - Matthew nj4y
>
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 10:15 AM Clayton Coleman W5PFG <tasmac@?????.??>
> wrote:
>
> > I support a laissez-faire approach when it comes to FM transponder use.
> > Not everyone chases grids. Not everyone chases DX. There are busy passes
> > and there are slow passes. It balances out.
> >
> > When I am out roving, I don't sit and call every station on the pass. I
> > normally give my callsign once and wait for others to call me. On
> > average, if I'm in a desired grid square, I might receive 20 direct
> > calls. If most stations are hearing adequately and adhering to
> > generally-accepted operating norms, there is plenty of room in a 11-13
> > minute pass for twice that number of QSO's.
> >
> > Last week, while I was operating from a remote grid in West Texas,
> > another station was operating from desired grids further northwest.
> > Between us there were nearly 40 clean QSO's, with the potential for
> > more. It was amazingly orderly for an FM transponder - on a weekend!
> >
> > Any transponder is a shared, multi-user resource. Except for emergency
> > communications I don't believe consensus exists to prioritize use for
> > particular groups (backyard/handheld warriors, rovers, home stations,
> > club demo's, hamfests.) Who would make that determination? It would
> > likely be unpopular. I try to prioritize the young people, Scouts,
> > demos, and new calls but that is MY personal preference. HEARING the
> > satellite is critical but LISTENING(comprehension) to the cadence of the
> > pass is equally important.
> >
> > Often I listen to transponders and hear very few stations. Time of day
> > and footprint coverage are key elements to determine when a transponder
> > will have activity. If someone new is expecting to make their first-ever
> > QSO on a Saturday afternoon pass covering an entire continent, their
> > expectation might not be met.
> >
> > 73
> > Clayton
> > W5PFG
> >
> >? >???? On Wednesday, February 20, 2019, 11:30:09 AM EST, Jerry Buxton <
> >? > n0jy at amsat.org> wrote:
> >? >
> >? >? Not to deter grid chasing and awards, does every FM bird have to be
> > that
> >? > way?? I do miss my start with "portable stuff" a decade or so ago, and
> >? > just having quick QSOs with new contacts on SO-50 from the pizzeria
> >? > parking lot when I visited Mom and Dad...
> >? >
> >? > Jerry Buxton, N?JY
> >? >
> >? > On 2/19/2019 21:02, Bob wrote:
> >? > > I can tell you from personal experience as a satellite mentor, giving
> >? > > presentations which always excite potential new satellite users, then
> >? > > having them go into the field to experience the bedlam of a FM
> > Satellite,
> >? > > that they too often become discouraged and give up.? Easysat is a
very
> >? > > deceptive name, especially on weekends.
> >? > >
> >? > > 73, Bob, WB4SON
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