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Today's Topics:
1. CORRECTION for Upcoming ARISS contact with Dum det? a ml?deze
Olomouc (House of Children and Youth Olomouc), Olomouc, Czech
Republic (n4csitwo@?????????.????
2. Re: [VHFcontesting] [VHF] 5 Band VUCC Award (K7XC Tim Marek)
3. Re: [VHFcontesting] Five Band VUCC (5BVUCC) Award Proposal
(K7XC Tim Marek)
4. Re: [VHFcontesting] 5 Band VUCC Award (Alan Larson)
5. Re: [VHFcontesting] 5BVUCC Nets Support of (K7XC Tim Marek)
6. Re: [VHF] [VHFcontesting] 5 Band VUCC Award (Ray Albert)
7. Re: [VHFcontesting] 5BVUCC Nets Support of (Mark W7MEM McMillan)
8. Re: [VHFcontesting] Five Band VUCC (5BVUCC) Award Proposal
(K7XC Tim Marek)
9. Re: [VHFcontesting] [VHF] 5 Band VUCC Award (Gabriel Zeifman)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 15:40:33 -0400
From: <n4csitwo@?????????.???>
To: <amsat-bb@?????.???>, <ariss-press@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] CORRECTION for Upcoming ARISS contact with Dum
det? a ml?deze Olomouc (House of Children and Youth Olomouc), Olomouc,
Czech Republic
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CORRECTION TO PREVIOUS POSTING OF THIS CONTACT EARLIER TODAY.
Please note that the contact start time is 09:15 UTC instead of 19:15 UTC.
An International Space Station school contact has been planned with
participants at Dum det? a ml?deze Olomouc (House of Children and Youth
Olomouc), Olomouc, Czech Republic on 23 Apr. The event is scheduled to begin
at approximately 09:15 UTC. The duration of the contact is approximately 9
minutes and 30 seconds. The contact will be direct between OR4ISS and
OK2KMX. The contact should be audible over the Czech Republic and adjacent
areas. Interested parties are invited to listen in on the 145.80 MHz
downlink. The contact is expected to be conducted in English.
Story:
D?m d?t? a ml?deze Olomouc (eng.: House of Children and Youth, abbr. DDM
Olomouc) - a leisure time center which operates in 5 buildings, whereas four
are situated in Olomouc. Since April 2001 the DDM is constituted by Olomouc
Regional Authority. For the whole public DDM offered both regular clubs and
interest groups as well as occasional and stay events.
Over 150 interest groups started to work every year, regularly - once, twice
or three times a week - attended by 2602 children and youth at the age from
3 to 25 years only during the last school year (2017/2018). These activities
were provided by 150 employees, external and voluntary workers.
During the summer holidays, DDM Olomouc organized more than 30 summer camps
for almost 800 children. In summer furthermore, as during the whole year,
DDM Olomouc offers cheap accommodation both right in Olomouc and in Ochoz u
Konice both locations are up to 30 km away from Olomouc.
Participants will ask as many of the following questions as time allows:
1. How many solar panels are powering the entire station and do you have any
other power sources?
2. What voltage are your instruments using aboard the ISS?
3. What would you tell the people who believe that the Earth is flat?
4. How often do you check the social networks and have you any time to watch
Youtube?
5. Did the ASTROBEE's already arrive and do you use them already?
6. How far from the station can you go and can you move outside untethered?
7. How long does it take to get from Earth to the ISS?
8. What does being in a spacesuit feel like and what is outside temperature?
9. How long do the spacesuit's energy and oxygen supplies last?
10. Do you feel any changes to your muscular system during your mission, or
is it a bit of a shock after your return back to Earth?
11. Do you need to strap in when you sleep and how do you enjoy sleeping in
zero gravity?
12. How often do you eat and do you enjoy the taste of the food?
13. Have you experienced any accidents while on the station, for example, a
device failure?
14. How do you fight a fire if it breaks out onboard the ISS?
15. How much waste is generated on the ISS and what are you doing with it?
16. Can you play any computer games and how much free time do you have?
17. What does it feel like to fly a rocket up into space?
18. How much time do you spend exercising each day?
19. How would you deal with a serious injury, for example, hand fracture?
20. How and how often do you communicate with your family?
PLEASE CHECK THE FOLLOWING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON ARISS UPDATES:
Visit ARISS on Facebook. We can be found at Amateur Radio on the
International Space Station (ARISS).
To receive our Twitter updates, follow @????????????
Next planned event(s):
1. Hidden Oaks Middle School, Prior Lake, MN, direct via N9CHA
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is David St-Jacques KG5FYI
Contact is go for: Wed 2019-04-24 17:46:31 UTC 52 deg
About ARISS:
Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) is a cooperative
venture of international amateur radio societies and the space agencies that
support the International Space Station (ISS). In the United States,
sponsors are the Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT), the American
Radio Relay League (ARRL), the Center for the Advancement of Science in
Space (CASIS) and National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA).
The primary goal of ARISS is to promote exploration of science, technology,
engineering, and mathematics (STEM) topics by organizing scheduled contacts
via amateur radio between crew members aboard the ISS and students in
classrooms or informal education venues. With the help of experienced
amateur radio volunteers, ISS crews speak directly with large audiences in a
variety of public forums. Before and during these radio contacts, students,
teachers, parents, and communities learn about space, space technologies,
and amateur radio. For more informa
tion, see www.ariss.org, www.amsat.org, and www.arrl.org.
Thank you & 73,
David - AA4KN
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:42:59 +0000
From: K7XC Tim Marek <k7xcnv1@?????.???>
To: Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???>, VHF Reflector
<VHF@????.????????.???>, AMSAT-BB@?????.????
"vhfcontesting@??????????.???? <vhfcontesting@??????????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] [VHFcontesting] [VHF] 5 Band VUCC Award
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A 5 Band VUCC award sound interesting. Would it allow existing VUCC
contacts already in LOTW
to be used for credit or require all New & Separate ones?
Currently the existing VUCC rules however state that Repeater Like QSOs are
NOT allowed,
and that means NO Satellites!
I agree with the rules as written and cant support adding Non Terrestrial
contacts to a Terrestrial award!
If we allow this to happen it muddies the waters from that point on,
disrespecting everyone who in the
past worked their butts off to accomplish something not easy to do. The
fact it was hard made the goal
worth chasing. The argument its too hard and discourages others Holds No
Water. If you want something
bad enough you will do whats needed to get it.
I reject your proposal to include Satellite QSOs with Terrestrial QSOs and
encourage others to do as well.
73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh... sk
Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:32 PM Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???> wrote:
> John,
>
> My proposal would allow ?Satellite VUCC? to count towards 5BVUCC. The idea
> is to allow the ARRL to create the new award with minimal programming
> changes needed to LoTW and minimal cost to implement.
>
> So far, this suggestion has netted over 40 replies to me in less than 12
> hours. Response has been very positive. I would urge anyone who supports
> this effort to contact their ARRL Section Managers and let them know about
> the idea?and that you?d like to see it implemented.
>
> In the Southeast Section, we?re lucky to have Greg Sarratt, W4OZK as our
> representative. Greg is active on VHF/UHF weak signal already. Need to get
> him on the satellites more though!
>
> :-)
>
>
>
> 73,
>
> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> Maylene, AL
> EM63nf
> AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 22, 2019, at 8:11 AM, John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???> wrote:
> >
> > Would this proposed 5 band VUCC allow satellite and direct contacts?
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 9:01 AM David Kerl via AMSAT-BB
> > <amsat-bb@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello Les,
> >> That should generate some incentive for more V/U/uwave activity. I would
> >> certainly work towards that end.
> >> Dave
> >> N9HF
> >> el99
> >>
> >> "Back in my day" doesn't have a place in ham radio any more.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 10:50 PM Les Rayburn via VHF <
> vhf@????.????????.??? <mailto:vhf@????.????????.???>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Lady & Gentlemen,
> >>>
> >>> Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from anyone on
> >>> the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was
> lost in
> >>> cyberspace.
> >>>
> >>> In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM, I?d
> like
> >>> to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that would
> >>> closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
> >>>
> >>> Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or
> more of
> >>> the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special
> >>> certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
> >>>
> >>> My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on the
> >>> VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222, 1296,
> and
> >>> higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale of
> more
> >>> gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and
> advances
> >>> the state of the radio art.
> >>>
> >>> Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I
> could
> >>> do to help support the creation of the new award. As always, grateful
> for
> >>> your service to the hobby.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 73,
> >>>
> >>> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> >>> 121 Mayfair Park
> >>> Maylene, AL 35114
> >>> EM63nf
> >>> AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> https://w6yx.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/vhf>
> >>>
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> >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:52:42 +0000
From: K7XC Tim Marek <k7xcnv1@?????.???>
To: Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>, Greg Sarratt W4OZK
<w4ozk@????.???>, VHF Contesting Reflector
<vhfcontesting@??????????.???>, "vhf@????.????????.????
<vhf@????.????????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] [VHFcontesting] Five Band VUCC (5BVUCC) Award
Proposal
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Hi Les,
Your assumptions about what its like to operate in the West hold no Water
as well.
The Entire West has an Active Weak Signal VHF population equal to that of
FN31 alone.
Yes Tall Mountains are a huge advantage but people to work are far and few
between on 2M let alone 10GHz.
Tim - K7XC - DM09jh.... sk
Adapt, Overcome,, Succeed!
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 4:36 PM Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???> wrote:
> I completely misspoke, and apologize.
>
> The Southeast Division of the ARRL is represented on the league?s Boar of
> Directors by Greg Sarratt, W4OZK who is active on weak signal VHF/UHF.
>
> We?ve been informed that the creation of new awards falls to the Board of
> Directors. If you?re supportive of the proposal to create a new Five Band
> VUCC Award (5BVUCC) please contact your director. Currently, these are:
>
> Tom Abernethy, W3TOM, Atlantic Division
>
> Kermit Carlson, W9XA, Central Division
>
> Matt Holden, K?BBC, Dakota Division
>
> David Norris, K5UZ, Delta Division
>
> Dale Williams, WA8EFK, Great Lakes Division
>
> Ria Jairam, N2RJ, Hudson Division
>
> Rod Blocksome, K?DAS, Midwest Division
>
> Fred Hopengarten, K1VR, New England Division
>
> Mike Ritz, W7VO, Northwestern Division
>
> Jim Tiemstra, K6JAT, Pacific Division
>
> George ?Bud? Hippisley, W2RU, Roanoke Division
>
> Jeff Ryan, K?RM, Rocky Mountain Division
>
> Greg Sarratt, W4OZK, Southeastern Division
>
> Dick Norton, N6AA, Southwestern Division
>
> David Woolweaver, K5RAV, West Gulf Division Director
>
> The proposal is for the league to create a new Five Band VUCC Award that
> would be earned by achieving five individual band VUCC Awards. This would
> be similar to the Five Band DXCC Award which has proven to be very popular.
>
> This award would be relatively easy to implement within Logbook of the
> World, and require no significant changes to existing VUCC Rules.
>
> Six Meter VUCC and Satellite VUCC are probably the easiest to achieve
> regardless of geography. Those of us in the East will find 2 Meters, 222,
> and 432 easier to earn, though WSJT Meteor Scatter and EME open these up to
> large parts of the country as well.
>
> Those in the Western states have easier access to high peaks within range
> of the five grids required to earn the award on Microwaves.
>
> With effort, this award should be achievable to almost any amateur willing
> to make the necessary commitment.
>
> So far, the idea has received a lot of support within the VHF/UHF
> Community.
>
> 73,
>
> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> Maylene, AL
> EM63nf
> AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
>
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 10:55:08 -0700
From: Alan Larson <wa6azp@?????.???>
To: les@????????????.???? 4ozk@????.???? staratula@????.???
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???? W3IZ@????.???? vhfcontesting@??????????.????
vhf@????.????????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] [VHFcontesting] 5 Band VUCC Award
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Les and folks, some thoughts on the 5BVUCC idea:
>In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM, I?d
>like to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that
>would closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
It seems a worthwhile award for folks to go for, it would provide a
further step for folks who have already gotten VUCC. The extra bands
would remain easy for operators in the east, and difficult for those in
the west.
Unfortunately, I don't think it would really provide lasting activity
on the bands - nowdays folks would get on with FT8, exchange encoded
callsigns and a couple more bits of information, and call it a contact.
Then they wourl move on to the next grid or band. Continuing activity,
ragchewing, even short "It is good to hear from you again", sort of
contacts that don't add additional grids, but do add activity, would
not be encouraged, as competitors would be letting their computers
search out FT8 signals (random or arranged).
Perhaps I am missing something - isn't it possible to get VUCC on
several bands as separate VUCC, so one could have it on 6 meters, 2
meters, and so on? If it isn't, it seems that it should be. Then
5BVUCC would just be 5 of these single-band VUCC awards.
I would love to see an approach that left operator skill as more
important than computer processing power -- the only thing I can think
of is mode specific awards. If by operating SSB or CW I were not
competing against computers exchanging minimal traces of information,
it would not be so disillusioning.
Alan
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:58:39 +0000
From: K7XC Tim Marek <k7xcnv1@?????.???>
To: Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>, Greg Sarratt W4OZK
<w4ozk@????.???>, VHF Contesting Reflector
<vhfcontesting@??????????.???>, "vhf@????.????????.????
<vhf@????.????????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] [VHFcontesting] 5BVUCC Nets Support of
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Adding Satellite QSOs to a Terrestrial Award is something I Can NOT
Endorse.
They are separate from Terrestrial VUCC awards for a reason.
Create a 5B VUCC award by all means all the reasons stated, just leave
Assisted QSOS (Repeaters, Satellites, Etc) out of it.
73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh... sk
Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 5:40 PM Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???> wrote:
> Just heard back from Mike Ritz, W7VO who is the Director of the
> Northwestern Division. He?s fully supportive of the proposal to create the
> new award.
>
> Reach out to your ARRL Director today, and let?s see if we can keep the
> momentum going!
>
>
>
> 73,
>
> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> Maylene, AL
> EM63nf
> AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
>
>
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 14:35:01 -0400
From: "Ray Albert" <rayedbert@???????.???>
To: "'Alan Larson'" <wa6azp@?????.???>, <les@????????????.???>,
<4ozk@????.???>, <staratula@????.???>
Cc: W3IZ@????.???? amsat-bb@?????.???? vhfcontesting@??????????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] [VHF] [VHFcontesting] 5 Band VUCC Award
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
I would love to see an approach that left operator skill as more important
than computer processing power !!!!
DITTO !!!
W3BFC
-----Original Message-----
From: VHF [mailto:vhf-bounces@????.????????.???? On Behalf Of Alan Larson
via VHF
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 1:55 PM
To: les@????????????.???? 4ozk@????.???? staratula@????.???
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???? W3IZ@????.???? vhfcontesting@??????????.????
vhf@????.????????.???
Subject: Re: [VHF] [VHFcontesting] 5 Band VUCC Award
Les and folks, some thoughts on the 5BVUCC idea:
>In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM, I?d
>like to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that
>would closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
It seems a worthwhile award for folks to go for, it would provide a
further step for folks who have already gotten VUCC. The extra bands
would remain easy for operators in the east, and difficult for those in
the west.
Unfortunately, I don't think it would really provide lasting activity
on the bands - nowdays folks would get on with FT8, exchange encoded
callsigns and a couple more bits of information, and call it a contact.
Then they wourl move on to the next grid or band. Continuing activity,
ragchewing, even short "It is good to hear from you again", sort of
contacts that don't add additional grids, but do add activity, would
not be encouraged, as competitors would be letting their computers
search out FT8 signals (random or arranged).
Perhaps I am missing something - isn't it possible to get VUCC on
several bands as separate VUCC, so one could have it on 6 meters, 2
meters, and so on? If it isn't, it seems that it should be. Then
5BVUCC would just be 5 of these single-band VUCC awards.
I would love to see an approach that left operator skill as more
important than computer processing power -- the only thing I can think
of is mode specific awards. If by operating SSB or CW I were not
competing against computers exchanging minimal traces of information,
it would not be so disillusioning.
Alan
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 19:14:55 +0000
From: Mark W7MEM McMillan <w7mem@???.???>
To: John Geiger <af5cc2@?????.???>
Cc: "vhf@????.????????.???? <vhf@????.????????.???>, K7XC Tim Marek
<k7xcnv1@?????.???>, Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???>, AMSAT BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???>, VHF Contesting Reflector
<vhfcontesting@??????????.???>, Greg Sarratt W4OZK <w4ozk@????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] [VHFcontesting] 5BVUCC Nets Support of
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Eme is of natural processes. I E E skip. With out EME NO award could be
possible!
Sent from my iPhone !
> On Apr 22, 2019, at 11:56 AM, John Geiger <af5cc2@?????.???> wrote:
>
> What about EME QSOs? Those are not terrestrial.
>
> 73 John AF5CC
>
>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 12:58 PM K7XC Tim Marek <k7xcnv1@?????.???> wrote:
>>
>> Adding Satellite QSOs to a Terrestrial Award is something I Can NOT
>> Endorse.
>>
>> They are separate from Terrestrial VUCC awards for a reason.
>>
>> Create a 5B VUCC award by all means all the reasons stated, just leave
>> Assisted QSOS (Repeaters, Satellites, Etc) out of it.
>>
>> 73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh... sk
>> Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!
>>
>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 5:40 PM Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just heard back from Mike Ritz, W7VO who is the Director of the
>>> Northwestern Division. He?s fully supportive of the proposal to create
>> the
>>> new award.
>>>
>>> Reach out to your ARRL Director today, and let?s see if we can keep the
>>> momentum going!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Les Rayburn, N1LF
>>> Maylene, AL
>>> EM63nf
>>> AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> VHFcontesting mailing list
>>> VHFcontesting@??????????.???
>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/vhfcontesting
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 19:51:20 +0000
From: K7XC Tim Marek <k7xcnv1@?????.???>
To: Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>, Greg Sarratt W4OZK
<w4ozk@????.???>, VHF Contesting Reflector
<vhfcontesting@??????????.???>, "vhf@????.????????.????
<vhf@????.????????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] [VHFcontesting] Five Band VUCC (5BVUCC) Award
Proposal
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Hi Les,
To give you an idea where my perspective come from....
I have been active on Weak Signal VHF since 1990, starting on 2M, branching
out to 6M, then 432 and finally 222. For 20+ yrs I was a competitive
Mountaintop Contester, active each year from a different grid to help
others with their VUCC efforts as well as taking advantage of great
locations in rare grids in an effort to add to the score. Over the years I
have activated 100+ grids from various mountaintops in CA, NV. AZ, UT, NM,
TX, OR, UT, WY, WA, ID, and MT as well as operating a Competitive 5 band
ROVER in VHF contests, often placing in the top 5 Nationally. I wrote the
"Weak Signal News" Column for CQ VHF Magazine for 5 yrs in the 1990s. Trust
me when I say I do understand what it means to operate Weak Signal VHF from
anywhere in North America.
I have logged hundreds of hours operating 144 and 432 EME with 4 bay arrays
on each band as well as using the same antennas
on AO-10 and AO-13, which was like shooting fish in a barrel as tracking
software tells you when the bird will be available.
That is vastly different than operating Terrestrially on 6, 2, 222, 432,
etc, where you have to be present and ready to take advantage of any
propagation that happens along... A greater commitment of time, money and
resources than making contacts with a satellite!
Which is why for awards purposes, Satellite QSOs have NO Place being mixed
in with Terrestrial QSOs as their completely different animals.
They have their own Equal but Separate VUCC standings as making an assisted
contact with an airborne repeater/transponderis is Dramatically easier than
MS, ES, or EME contacts. Mixing them together in the same award pollutes
the integrity and effort of Terrestrial QSOs.
73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh... sk
Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 6:09 PM Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???> wrote:
> Tim,
>
> I?ve actually operated VHF/UHF/Microwave from the West (mostly in New
> Mexico and California) during VHF Contests when I?ve been traveling for
> business.
>
> Understand well the challenges faced in making contacts on 2 Meters, 432,
> etc. When it comes to this type of operating, geography is indeed destiny.
>
> It?s difficult or impossible to mitigate the advantages enjoyed by
> operators in the Northeast.
>
> That being said, I still believe 5BVUCC is achievable by any committed
> amateur in the 48 states. I live in a deed restricted neighborhood and am
> limited to indoor antennas. This represents a huge disadvantage, but I?ve
> found ways to overcome them. That?s part of the fun. As your own signature
> file states, ?Adapt, Overcome,, Succeed!?
>
> I suspect many operators would achieve 5BVUCC by working with a partner
> ham. You could take a single dish for 5Ghz and 10Ghz to a high peak in a
> single grid square, while your partner drove to LOS locations in five
> grids. Then ?switch? to allow both operators to earn VUCC on these bands.
> It?s done pretty often now.
>
> If you added lasers to the mix, you?d have three of the required bands in
> a weekend. Difficult and expensive perhaps?but certainly something that
> many have already done successfully.
>
> As for satellite operation, I have to disagree with you. Earning VUCC on
> satellites is certainly more difficult than earning it on 6 Meters. It is
> truly weak-signal operation and requires skill sets that are unique from
> other types of VHF/UHF operation.
>
> More importantly, there is already a VUCC Award for Satellites, so it
> wouldn?t make sense to exclude this ?band? from the award.
>
> Like 6 Meters, it also makes the 5BVUCC more of a possibility for Western
> operators.
>
> But I appreciate your opinions, and having you join the discussion. The
> best proposals are formed when input is received from many different
> viewpoints.
>
>
>
> 73,
>
> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> Maylene, AL
> EM63nf
> AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 22, 2019, at 12:52 PM, K7XC Tim Marek <k7xcnv1@?????.???> wrote:
>
> Hi Les,
>
> Your assumptions about what its like to operate in the West hold no Water
> as well.
> The Entire West has an Active Weak Signal VHF population equal to that of
> FN31 alone.
> Yes Tall Mountains are a huge advantage but people to work are far and few
> between on 2M let alone 10GHz.
>
> Tim - K7XC - DM09jh.... sk
>
> Adapt, Overcome,, Succeed!
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 4:36 PM Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???> wrote:
>
>> I completely misspoke, and apologize.
>>
>> The Southeast Division of the ARRL is represented on the league?s Boar of
>> Directors by Greg Sarratt, W4OZK who is active on weak signal VHF/UHF.
>>
>> We?ve been informed that the creation of new awards falls to the Board of
>> Directors. If you?re supportive of the proposal to create a new Five Band
>> VUCC Award (5BVUCC) please contact your director. Currently, these are:
>>
>> Tom Abernethy, W3TOM, Atlantic Division
>>
>> Kermit Carlson, W9XA, Central Division
>>
>> Matt Holden, K?BBC, Dakota Division
>>
>> David Norris, K5UZ, Delta Division
>>
>> Dale Williams, WA8EFK, Great Lakes Division
>>
>> Ria Jairam, N2RJ, Hudson Division
>>
>> Rod Blocksome, K?DAS, Midwest Division
>>
>> Fred Hopengarten, K1VR, New England Division
>>
>> Mike Ritz, W7VO, Northwestern Division
>>
>> Jim Tiemstra, K6JAT, Pacific Division
>>
>> George ?Bud? Hippisley, W2RU, Roanoke Division
>>
>> Jeff Ryan, K?RM, Rocky Mountain Division
>>
>> Greg Sarratt, W4OZK, Southeastern Division
>>
>> Dick Norton, N6AA, Southwestern Division
>>
>> David Woolweaver, K5RAV, West Gulf Division Director
>>
>> The proposal is for the league to create a new Five Band VUCC Award that
>> would be earned by achieving five individual band VUCC Awards. This would
>> be similar to the Five Band DXCC Award which has proven to be very popular.
>>
>>
>> This award would be relatively easy to implement within Logbook of the
>> World, and require no significant changes to existing VUCC Rules.
>>
>> Six Meter VUCC and Satellite VUCC are probably the easiest to achieve
>> regardless of geography. Those of us in the East will find 2 Meters, 222,
>> and 432 easier to earn, though WSJT Meteor Scatter and EME open these up to
>> large parts of the country as well.
>>
>> Those in the Western states have easier access to high peaks within range
>> of the five grids required to earn the award on Microwaves.
>>
>> With effort, this award should be achievable to almost any amateur
>> willing to make the necessary commitment.
>>
>> So far, the idea has received a lot of support within the VHF/UHF
>> Community.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Les Rayburn, N1LF
>> Maylene, AL
>> EM63nf
>> AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 12:08:39 -0800
From: Gabriel Zeifman <gabrielzeifman@?????.???>
To: K7XC Tim Marek <k7xcnv1@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT-BB@?????.???? Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???>, VHF
Reflector <VHF@????.????????.???>, "vhfcontesting@??????????.????
<vhfcontesting@??????????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] [VHFcontesting] [VHF] 5 Band VUCC Award
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This is an intriguing observation, considering satellite VUCC has been
around for years. I don?t think I?ve ever heard you on one of our ?repeater
like? satellites?
73,
Gabe
AL6D/VE6NJH
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 11:55 AM K7XC Tim Marek via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> A 5 Band VUCC award sound interesting. Would it allow existing VUCC
> contacts already in LOTW
> to be used for credit or require all New & Separate ones?
>
> Currently the existing VUCC rules however state that Repeater Like QSOs are
> NOT allowed,
> and that means NO Satellites!
>
> I agree with the rules as written and cant support adding Non Terrestrial
> contacts to a Terrestrial award!
>
> If we allow this to happen it muddies the waters from that point on,
> disrespecting everyone who in the
> past worked their butts off to accomplish something not easy to do. The
> fact it was hard made the goal
> worth chasing. The argument its too hard and discourages others Holds No
> Water. If you want something
> bad enough you will do whats needed to get it.
>
> I reject your proposal to include Satellite QSOs with Terrestrial QSOs and
> encourage others to do as well.
>
> 73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh... sk
>
> Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:32 PM Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???> wrote:
>
> > John,
> >
> > My proposal would allow ?Satellite VUCC? to count towards 5BVUCC. The
> idea
> > is to allow the ARRL to create the new award with minimal programming
> > changes needed to LoTW and minimal cost to implement.
> >
> > So far, this suggestion has netted over 40 replies to me in less than 12
> > hours. Response has been very positive. I would urge anyone who supports
> > this effort to contact their ARRL Section Managers and let them know
> about
> > the idea?and that you?d like to see it implemented.
> >
> > In the Southeast Section, we?re lucky to have Greg Sarratt, W4OZK as our
> > representative. Greg is active on VHF/UHF weak signal already. Need to
> get
> > him on the satellites more though!
> >
> > :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Les Rayburn, N1LF
> > Maylene, AL
> > EM63nf
> > AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 22, 2019, at 8:11 AM, John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???> wrote:
> > >
> > > Would this proposed 5 band VUCC allow satellite and direct contacts?
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 9:01 AM David Kerl via AMSAT-BB
> > > <amsat-bb@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???>> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hello Les,
> > >> That should generate some incentive for more V/U/uwave activity. I
> would
> > >> certainly work towards that end.
> > >> Dave
> > >> N9HF
> > >> el99
> > >>
> > >> "Back in my day" doesn't have a place in ham radio any more.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 10:50 PM Les Rayburn via VHF <
> > vhf@????.????????.??? <mailto:vhf@????.????????.???>>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Lady & Gentlemen,
> > >>>
> > >>> Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from anyone
> on
> > >>> the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was
> > lost in
> > >>> cyberspace.
> > >>>
> > >>> In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM, I?d
> > like
> > >>> to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that
> would
> > >>> closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
> > >>>
> > >>> Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or
> > more of
> > >>> the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special
> > >>> certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
> > >>>
> > >>> My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on the
> > >>> VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222, 1296,
> > and
> > >>> higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale
> of
> > more
> > >>> gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and
> > advances
> > >>> the state of the radio art.
> > >>>
> > >>> Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I
> > could
> > >>> do to help support the creation of the new award. As always, grateful
> > for
> > >>> your service to the hobby.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> 73,
> > >>>
> > >>> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> > >>> 121 Mayfair Park
> > >>> Maylene, AL 35114
> > >>> EM63nf
> > >>> AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
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