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Today's Topics:
1. Re: [VHFcontesting] [VHF] 5 Band VUCC Award (Paul Andrews)
2. Re: [VHFcontesting] [VHF] 5 Band VUCC Award (K7XC Tim Marek)
3. Re: [VHFcontesting] [VHF] 5 Band VUCC Award (Gabriel Zeifman)
4. Re: [VHFcontesting] [VHF] 5 Band VUCC Award (John Geiger)
5. Re: [VHFcontesting] [VHF] 5 Band VUCC Award (Les Rayburn)
6. Re: [VHFcontesting] [VHF] 5 Band VUCC Award (Mike Diehl)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 16:23:47 -0400
From: Paul Andrews <w2hro.fn20@?????.???>
To: K7XC Tim Marek <k7xcnv1@?????.???>
Cc: amsat-bb <AMSAT-BB@?????.???>, Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???>,
VHF Reflector <VHF@????.????????.???>, "vhfcontesting@??????????.????
<vhfcontesting@??????????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] [VHFcontesting] [VHF] 5 Band VUCC Award
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With regards to 5 Band VUCC. I think that satellite VUCC (100 QSOs) is
just another band. (more accurate - Sat is a mode)
The ARRL identifies 10 VUCC bands between 50 MHz and 10 GHz. Satellite is
just the 11th VUCC band.
Complete VUCC in any 5 bands and earn the 5BVUCC. Am I missing something?
Has anyone completed VUCC in all 11 bands?
73 - Paul - W2HRO
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:58 PM K7XC Tim Marek via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> A 5 Band VUCC award sound interesting. Would it allow existing VUCC
> contacts already in LOTW
> to be used for credit or require all New & Separate ones?
>
> Currently the existing VUCC rules however state that Repeater Like QSOs are
> NOT allowed,
> and that means NO Satellites!
>
> I agree with the rules as written and cant support adding Non Terrestrial
> contacts to a Terrestrial award!
>
> If we allow this to happen it muddies the waters from that point on,
> disrespecting everyone who in the
> past worked their butts off to accomplish something not easy to do. The
> fact it was hard made the goal
> worth chasing. The argument its too hard and discourages others Holds No
> Water. If you want something
> bad enough you will do whats needed to get it.
>
> I reject your proposal to include Satellite QSOs with Terrestrial QSOs and
> encourage others to do as well.
>
> 73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh... sk
>
> Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:32 PM Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???> wrote:
>
> > John,
> >
> > My proposal would allow ?Satellite VUCC? to count towards 5BVUCC. The
> idea
> > is to allow the ARRL to create the new award with minimal programming
> > changes needed to LoTW and minimal cost to implement.
> >
> > So far, this suggestion has netted over 40 replies to me in less than 12
> > hours. Response has been very positive. I would urge anyone who supports
> > this effort to contact their ARRL Section Managers and let them know
> about
> > the idea?and that you?d like to see it implemented.
> >
> > In the Southeast Section, we?re lucky to have Greg Sarratt, W4OZK as our
> > representative. Greg is active on VHF/UHF weak signal already. Need to
> get
> > him on the satellites more though!
> >
> > :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Les Rayburn, N1LF
> > Maylene, AL
> > EM63nf
> > AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 22, 2019, at 8:11 AM, John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???> wrote:
> > >
> > > Would this proposed 5 band VUCC allow satellite and direct contacts?
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 9:01 AM David Kerl via AMSAT-BB
> > > <amsat-bb@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???>> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hello Les,
> > >> That should generate some incentive for more V/U/uwave activity. I
> would
> > >> certainly work towards that end.
> > >> Dave
> > >> N9HF
> > >> el99
> > >>
> > >> "Back in my day" doesn't have a place in ham radio any more.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 10:50 PM Les Rayburn via VHF <
> > vhf@????.????????.??? <mailto:vhf@????.????????.???>>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Lady & Gentlemen,
> > >>>
> > >>> Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from anyone
> on
> > >>> the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was
> > lost in
> > >>> cyberspace.
> > >>>
> > >>> In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM, I?d
> > like
> > >>> to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that
> would
> > >>> closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
> > >>>
> > >>> Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or
> > more of
> > >>> the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special
> > >>> certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
> > >>>
> > >>> My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on the
> > >>> VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222, 1296,
> > and
> > >>> higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale
> of
> > more
> > >>> gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and
> > advances
> > >>> the state of the radio art.
> > >>>
> > >>> Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I
> > could
> > >>> do to help support the creation of the new award. As always, grateful
> > for
> > >>> your service to the hobby.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> 73,
> > >>>
> > >>> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> > >>> 121 Mayfair Park
> > >>> Maylene, AL 35114
> > >>> EM63nf
> > >>> AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> VHF mailing list
> > >>> VHF@????.????????.??? <mailto:VHF@????.????????.???>
> > >>> https://w6yx.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/vhf <
> > https://w6yx.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/vhf>
> > >>>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.??? <mailto:AMSAT-BB@?????.???>. AMSAT-NA
> > makes this open forum available
> > >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > Opinions expressed
> > >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> > of AMSAT-NA.
> > >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> > program!
> > >> Subscription settings:
> https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> > <https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > VHFcontesting mailing list
> > VHFcontesting@??????????.???
> > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/vhfcontesting
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 20:28:06 +0000
From: K7XC Tim Marek <k7xcnv1@?????.???>
To: Gabriel Zeifman <gabrielzeifman@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <AMSAT-BB@?????.???>, Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???>,
VHF Reflector <VHF@????.????????.???>, "vhfcontesting@??????????.????
<vhfcontesting@??????????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] [VHFcontesting] [VHF] 5 Band VUCC Award
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Hi Gabe,
Please don't think I am am anti satellite,
I was active for years on AO-10 and AO-13 and the Russian LEO birds of 2up
and 10 down, etc.
What I am Against is an Award that allows credits from both in the same
award...
ASSISTED QSOs IE: Satellites, Repeaters, Etc
and
UNASSISTED QSOs IE: Tropo, Es, MS, EME, etc
Within the SAME AWARD!
It makes no sense to mix the two in one award as they are Apple and Oranges
IE: Not the same animal.
Weather I have made any recent Satellite contacts or not has no bearing on
my point!
73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh.. sk
Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 8:08 PM Gabriel Zeifman <gabrielzeifman@?????.???>
wrote:
> This is an intriguing observation, considering satellite VUCC has been
> around for years. I don?t think I?ve ever heard you on one of our ?repeater
> like? satellites?
>
> 73,
> Gabe
> AL6D/VE6NJH
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 11:55 AM K7XC Tim Marek via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
>> A 5 Band VUCC award sound interesting. Would it allow existing VUCC
>> contacts already in LOTW
>> to be used for credit or require all New & Separate ones?
>>
>> Currently the existing VUCC rules however state that Repeater Like QSOs
>> are
>> NOT allowed,
>> and that means NO Satellites!
>>
>> I agree with the rules as written and cant support adding Non Terrestrial
>> contacts to a Terrestrial award!
>>
>> If we allow this to happen it muddies the waters from that point on,
>> disrespecting everyone who in the
>> past worked their butts off to accomplish something not easy to do. The
>> fact it was hard made the goal
>> worth chasing. The argument its too hard and discourages others Holds No
>> Water. If you want something
>> bad enough you will do whats needed to get it.
>>
>> I reject your proposal to include Satellite QSOs with Terrestrial QSOs and
>> encourage others to do as well.
>>
>> 73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh... sk
>>
>> Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:32 PM Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???> wrote:
>>
>> > John,
>> >
>> > My proposal would allow ?Satellite VUCC? to count towards 5BVUCC. The
>> idea
>> > is to allow the ARRL to create the new award with minimal programming
>> > changes needed to LoTW and minimal cost to implement.
>> >
>> > So far, this suggestion has netted over 40 replies to me in less than 12
>> > hours. Response has been very positive. I would urge anyone who supports
>> > this effort to contact their ARRL Section Managers and let them know
>> about
>> > the idea?and that you?d like to see it implemented.
>> >
>> > In the Southeast Section, we?re lucky to have Greg Sarratt, W4OZK as our
>> > representative. Greg is active on VHF/UHF weak signal already. Need to
>> get
>> > him on the satellites more though!
>> >
>> > :-)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 73,
>> >
>> > Les Rayburn, N1LF
>> > Maylene, AL
>> > EM63nf
>> > AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > On Apr 22, 2019, at 8:11 AM, John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Would this proposed 5 band VUCC allow satellite and direct contacts?
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 9:01 AM David Kerl via AMSAT-BB
>> > > <amsat-bb@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???>> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Hello Les,
>> > >> That should generate some incentive for more V/U/uwave activity. I
>> would
>> > >> certainly work towards that end.
>> > >> Dave
>> > >> N9HF
>> > >> el99
>> > >>
>> > >> "Back in my day" doesn't have a place in ham radio any more.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 10:50 PM Les Rayburn via VHF <
>> > vhf@????.????????.??? <mailto:vhf@????.????????.???>>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> Lady & Gentlemen,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from
>> anyone on
>> > >>> the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was
>> > lost in
>> > >>> cyberspace.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM,
>> I?d
>> > like
>> > >>> to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that
>> would
>> > >>> closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or
>> > more of
>> > >>> the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special
>> > >>> certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on
>> the
>> > >>> VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222,
>> 1296,
>> > and
>> > >>> higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale
>> of
>> > more
>> > >>> gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and
>> > advances
>> > >>> the state of the radio art.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I
>> > could
>> > >>> do to help support the creation of the new award. As always,
>> grateful
>> > for
>> > >>> your service to the hobby.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> 73,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Les Rayburn, N1LF
>> > >>> 121 Mayfair Park
>> > >>> Maylene, AL 35114
>> > >>> EM63nf
>> > >>> AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> _______________________________________________
>> > >>> VHF mailing list
>> > >>> VHF@????.????????.??? <mailto:VHF@????.????????.???>
>> > >>> https://w6yx.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/vhf <
>> > https://w6yx.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/vhf>
>> > >>>
>> > >> _______________________________________________
>> > >> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.??? <mailto:AMSAT-BB@?????.???>. AMSAT-NA
>> > makes this open forum available
>> > >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> > Opinions expressed
>> > >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>> > of AMSAT-NA.
>> > >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> > program!
>> > >> Subscription settings:
>> https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> > <https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb>
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > VHFcontesting mailing list
>> > VHFcontesting@??????????.???
>> > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/vhfcontesting
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 12:46:34 -0800
From: Gabriel Zeifman <gabrielzeifman@?????.???>
To: K7XC Tim Marek <k7xcnv1@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <AMSAT-BB@?????.???>, Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???>,
VHF Reflector <VHF@????.????????.???>, "vhfcontesting@??????????.????
<vhfcontesting@??????????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] [VHFcontesting] [VHF] 5 Band VUCC Award
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I don?t like the idea of them being in the same award, I don?t see why they
couldn?t be considered another band. I see satellites as different but
equal. I?ve done a bit of 2m/70cm roving during contests, but I definitely
wouldn?t consider myself qualified to talk about the intricacies of it.
Same with working AO-10/13 decades ago. Not all satellite QSOs are
comparable to throwing an antenna on a tripod and parking it there for
hours and working the world on a HEO sat. While it?s incredibly easy to
work an FM sat overhead, a monkey could do it on a baofeng blindfolded,
it?s equally easy to work a simplex QSO over a few miles. All domains have
their areas of difficulty, and what I personally enjoy in satellites is the
short windows at or below the horizon, where a theoretical window may not
even exist or where it?s there for a matter of seconds. Over the three
years I?ve been licensed, I?ve activated 417 grids and 28 DXCCs on
satellites, flying my little plane around Alaska and driving over 80,000
miles for it, so don?t underestimate the efforts and the costs rovers go
through to put grids on the air on satellites. And we don?t even have
contests. Making contacts beyond the maximum theoretical range of a
satellite is no easy feat. So go ahead and say we?re different, we sure
are, but don?t say we aren?t worthy.
73,
Gabe
AL6D/VE6NJH
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 12:28 PM K7XC Tim Marek <k7xcnv1@?????.???> wrote:
> Hi Gabe,
>
> Please don't think I am am anti satellite,
>
> I was active for years on AO-10 and AO-13 and the Russian LEO birds of 2up
> and 10 down, etc.
>
> What I am Against is an Award that allows credits from both in the same
> award...
>
> ASSISTED QSOs IE: Satellites, Repeaters, Etc
> and
> UNASSISTED QSOs IE: Tropo, Es, MS, EME, etc
>
> Within the SAME AWARD!
>
> It makes no sense to mix the two in one award as they are Apple and
> Oranges IE: Not the same animal.
>
> Weather I have made any recent Satellite contacts or not has no bearing on
> my point!
>
>
> 73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh.. sk
>
> Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 8:08 PM Gabriel Zeifman <gabrielzeifman@?????.???>
> wrote:
>
>> This is an intriguing observation, considering satellite VUCC has been
>> around for years. I don?t think I?ve ever heard you on one of our ?repeater
>> like? satellites?
>>
>> 73,
>> Gabe
>> AL6D/VE6NJH
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 11:55 AM K7XC Tim Marek via AMSAT-BB <
>> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>>
>>> A 5 Band VUCC award sound interesting. Would it allow existing VUCC
>>> contacts already in LOTW
>>> to be used for credit or require all New & Separate ones?
>>>
>>> Currently the existing VUCC rules however state that Repeater Like QSOs
>>> are
>>> NOT allowed,
>>> and that means NO Satellites!
>>>
>>> I agree with the rules as written and cant support adding Non Terrestrial
>>> contacts to a Terrestrial award!
>>>
>>> If we allow this to happen it muddies the waters from that point on,
>>> disrespecting everyone who in the
>>> past worked their butts off to accomplish something not easy to do. The
>>> fact it was hard made the goal
>>> worth chasing. The argument its too hard and discourages others Holds No
>>> Water. If you want something
>>> bad enough you will do whats needed to get it.
>>>
>>> I reject your proposal to include Satellite QSOs with Terrestrial QSOs
>>> and
>>> encourage others to do as well.
>>>
>>> 73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh... sk
>>>
>>> Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:32 PM Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > John,
>>> >
>>> > My proposal would allow ?Satellite VUCC? to count towards 5BVUCC. The
>>> idea
>>> > is to allow the ARRL to create the new award with minimal programming
>>> > changes needed to LoTW and minimal cost to implement.
>>> >
>>> > So far, this suggestion has netted over 40 replies to me in less than
>>> 12
>>> > hours. Response has been very positive. I would urge anyone who
>>> supports
>>> > this effort to contact their ARRL Section Managers and let them know
>>> about
>>> > the idea?and that you?d like to see it implemented.
>>> >
>>> > In the Southeast Section, we?re lucky to have Greg Sarratt, W4OZK as
>>> our
>>> > representative. Greg is active on VHF/UHF weak signal already. Need to
>>> get
>>> > him on the satellites more though!
>>> >
>>> > :-)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 73,
>>> >
>>> > Les Rayburn, N1LF
>>> > Maylene, AL
>>> > EM63nf
>>> > AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > > On Apr 22, 2019, at 8:11 AM, John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > Would this proposed 5 band VUCC allow satellite and direct contacts?
>>> > >
>>> > > On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 9:01 AM David Kerl via AMSAT-BB
>>> > > <amsat-bb@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???>> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Hello Les,
>>> > >> That should generate some incentive for more V/U/uwave activity. I
>>> would
>>> > >> certainly work towards that end.
>>> > >> Dave
>>> > >> N9HF
>>> > >> el99
>>> > >>
>>> > >> "Back in my day" doesn't have a place in ham radio any more.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 10:50 PM Les Rayburn via VHF <
>>> > vhf@????.????????.??? <mailto:vhf@????.????????.???>>
>>> > >> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> Lady & Gentlemen,
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from
>>> anyone on
>>> > >>> the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was
>>> > lost in
>>> > >>> cyberspace.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM,
>>> I?d
>>> > like
>>> > >>> to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that
>>> would
>>> > >>> closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or
>>> > more of
>>> > >>> the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special
>>> > >>> certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on
>>> the
>>> > >>> VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222,
>>> 1296,
>>> > and
>>> > >>> higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the
>>> sale of
>>> > more
>>> > >>> gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and
>>> > advances
>>> > >>> the state of the radio art.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I
>>> > could
>>> > >>> do to help support the creation of the new award. As always,
>>> grateful
>>> > for
>>> > >>> your service to the hobby.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> 73,
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Les Rayburn, N1LF
>>> > >>> 121 Mayfair Park
>>>
<https://maps.google.com/?q=121+Mayfair+Park+%0D%0A+Maylene,+AL+35114&entry=gm
ail&source=g>
>>>
>>>
<https://maps.google.com/?q=121+Mayfair+Park+%0D%0A+Maylene,+AL+35114&entry=gm
ail&source=g>>
>>> >>> Maylene, AL 35114
>>>
<https://maps.google.com/?q=121+Mayfair+Park+%0D%0A+Maylene,+AL+35114&entry=gm
ail&source=g>
>>> > >>> EM63nf
>>> > >>> AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> _______________________________________________
>>> > >>> VHF mailing list
>>> > >>> VHF@????.????????.??? <mailto:VHF@????.????????.???>
>>> > >>> https://w6yx.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/vhf <
>>> > https://w6yx.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/vhf>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >> _______________________________________________
>>> > >> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.??? <mailto:AMSAT-BB@?????.???>. AMSAT-NA
>>> > makes this open forum available
>>> > >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>>> > Opinions expressed
>>> > >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
>>> views
>>> > of AMSAT-NA.
>>> > >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>> > program!
>>> > >> Subscription settings:
>>> https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>> > <https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb>
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 16:13:47 -0500
From: John Geiger <af5cc2@?????.???>
To: Paul Andrews <w2hro.fn20@?????.???>
Cc: amsat-bb <AMSAT-BB@?????.???>, K7XC Tim Marek <k7xcnv1@?????.???>,
Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???>, VHF Reflector
<VHF@????.????????.???>, "vhfcontesting@??????????.????
<vhfcontesting@??????????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] [VHFcontesting] [VHF] 5 Band VUCC Award
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Probably W2SZ/1, except for the satellite VUCC.
73 John AF5CC
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:32 PM Paul Andrews via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> With regards to 5 Band VUCC. I think that satellite VUCC (100 QSOs) is
> just another band. (more accurate - Sat is a mode)
>
> The ARRL identifies 10 VUCC bands between 50 MHz and 10 GHz. Satellite is
> just the 11th VUCC band.
>
> Complete VUCC in any 5 bands and earn the 5BVUCC. Am I missing something?
>
> Has anyone completed VUCC in all 11 bands?
>
> 73 - Paul - W2HRO
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:58 PM K7XC Tim Marek via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> > A 5 Band VUCC award sound interesting. Would it allow existing VUCC
> > contacts already in LOTW
> > to be used for credit or require all New & Separate ones?
> >
> > Currently the existing VUCC rules however state that Repeater Like QSOs
> are
> > NOT allowed,
> > and that means NO Satellites!
> >
> > I agree with the rules as written and cant support adding Non Terrestrial
> > contacts to a Terrestrial award!
> >
> > If we allow this to happen it muddies the waters from that point on,
> > disrespecting everyone who in the
> > past worked their butts off to accomplish something not easy to do. The
> > fact it was hard made the goal
> > worth chasing. The argument its too hard and discourages others Holds No
> > Water. If you want something
> > bad enough you will do whats needed to get it.
> >
> > I reject your proposal to include Satellite QSOs with Terrestrial QSOs
> and
> > encourage others to do as well.
> >
> > 73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh... sk
> >
> > Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:32 PM Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???>
> wrote:
> >
> > > John,
> > >
> > > My proposal would allow ?Satellite VUCC? to count towards 5BVUCC. The
> > idea
> > > is to allow the ARRL to create the new award with minimal programming
> > > changes needed to LoTW and minimal cost to implement.
> > >
> > > So far, this suggestion has netted over 40 replies to me in less than
> 12
> > > hours. Response has been very positive. I would urge anyone who
> supports
> > > this effort to contact their ARRL Section Managers and let them know
> > about
> > > the idea?and that you?d like to see it implemented.
> > >
> > > In the Southeast Section, we?re lucky to have Greg Sarratt, W4OZK as
> our
> > > representative. Greg is active on VHF/UHF weak signal already. Need to
> > get
> > > him on the satellites more though!
> > >
> > > :-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 73,
> > >
> > > Les Rayburn, N1LF
> > > Maylene, AL
> > > EM63nf
> > > AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Apr 22, 2019, at 8:11 AM, John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Would this proposed 5 band VUCC allow satellite and direct contacts?
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 9:01 AM David Kerl via AMSAT-BB
> > > > <amsat-bb@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???>> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Hello Les,
> > > >> That should generate some incentive for more V/U/uwave activity. I
> > would
> > > >> certainly work towards that end.
> > > >> Dave
> > > >> N9HF
> > > >> el99
> > > >>
> > > >> "Back in my day" doesn't have a place in ham radio any more.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 10:50 PM Les Rayburn via VHF <
> > > vhf@????.????????.??? <mailto:vhf@????.????????.???>>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Lady & Gentlemen,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from
> anyone
> > on
> > > >>> the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was
> > > lost in
> > > >>> cyberspace.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM,
> I?d
> > > like
> > > >>> to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that
> > would
> > > >>> closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or
> > > more of
> > > >>> the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special
> > > >>> certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on
> the
> > > >>> VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222,
> 1296,
> > > and
> > > >>> higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale
> > of
> > > more
> > > >>> gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and
> > > advances
> > > >>> the state of the radio art.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I
> > > could
> > > >>> do to help support the creation of the new award. As always,
> grateful
> > > for
> > > >>> your service to the hobby.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 73,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> > > >>> 121 Mayfair Park
> > > >>> Maylene, AL 35114
> > > >>> EM63nf
> > > >>> AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> _______________________________________________
> > > >>> VHF mailing list
> > > >>> VHF@????.????????.??? <mailto:VHF@????.????????.???>
> > > >>> https://w6yx.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/vhf <
> > > https://w6yx.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/vhf>
> > > >>>
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> > > >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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> > > >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 16:27:05 -0500
From: Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???>
To: John Geiger <af5cc2@?????.???>
Cc: amsat-bb <AMSAT-BB@?????.???>, K7XC Tim Marek <k7xcnv1@?????.???>,
VHF Contesting Reflector <vhfcontesting@??????????.???>,
"vhf@????.????????.???? <VHF@????.????????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] [VHFcontesting] [VHF] 5 Band VUCC Award
Message-ID: <CB1C9C33-56DD-4269-B731-A93399C9B624@????????????.???>
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To my knowledge no U.S. amateur has earned VUCC for laser (light) contacts.
Last time I checked, both award recipients were Mexican hams.
Earning all of them would be quite the challenge (and virtually impossible
from a home QTH)
I fully support a VUCC award for Rovers, administered by the ARRL. But
everyone should be aware that would require considerably more programming
changes to LoTW. These are not trivial factors.
Lastly, I completely disagree for anyone who disparages satellite operation
for VUCC, or digital modes. This has been discussed at length and resolved
long ago.
There has long been a VHF/UHF Century Club Award for Satellites, and earning
it should count towards 5BVUCC.
The skills required for digital modes and satellites are different than
those required for other modes?but they are legitimate skills. Just as the
skills required for success on microwaves is very different than the skills
needed for 2 Meters.
Discussions about what is or is not more legitimate are fruitless and
distract us from what should be common goals. More activity on VHF/UHF is a
good thing. I?ve enjoyed learning about all of it. Hope to keep learning as
I explore EME and optical communications.
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF
Maylene, AL
EM63nf
AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
> On Apr 22, 2019, at 4:13 PM, John Geiger <af5cc2@?????.???> wrote:
>
> Probably W2SZ/1, except for the satellite VUCC.
>
> 73 John AF5CC
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:32 PM Paul Andrews via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???>> wrote:
> With regards to 5 Band VUCC. I think that satellite VUCC (100 QSOs) is
> just another band. (more accurate - Sat is a mode)
>
> The ARRL identifies 10 VUCC bands between 50 MHz and 10 GHz. Satellite is
> just the 11th VUCC band.
>
> Complete VUCC in any 5 bands and earn the 5BVUCC. Am I missing something?
>
> Has anyone completed VUCC in all 11 bands?
>
> 73 - Paul - W2HRO
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:58 PM K7XC Tim Marek via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???>> wrote:
>
> > A 5 Band VUCC award sound interesting. Would it allow existing VUCC
> > contacts already in LOTW
> > to be used for credit or require all New & Separate ones?
> >
> > Currently the existing VUCC rules however state that Repeater Like QSOs
are
> > NOT allowed,
> > and that means NO Satellites!
> >
> > I agree with the rules as written and cant support adding Non Terrestrial
> > contacts to a Terrestrial award!
> >
> > If we allow this to happen it muddies the waters from that point on,
> > disrespecting everyone who in the
> > past worked their butts off to accomplish something not easy to do. The
> > fact it was hard made the goal
> > worth chasing. The argument its too hard and discourages others Holds No
> > Water. If you want something
> > bad enough you will do whats needed to get it.
> >
> > I reject your proposal to include Satellite QSOs with Terrestrial QSOs and
> > encourage others to do as well.
> >
> > 73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh... sk
> >
> > Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:32 PM Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???
<mailto:les@????????????.???>> wrote:
> >
> > > John,
> > >
> > > My proposal would allow ?Satellite VUCC? to count towards 5BVUCC. The
> > idea
> > > is to allow the ARRL to create the new award with minimal programming
> > > changes needed to LoTW and minimal cost to implement.
> > >
> > > So far, this suggestion has netted over 40 replies to me in less than 12
> > > hours. Response has been very positive. I would urge anyone who supports
> > > this effort to contact their ARRL Section Managers and let them know
> > about
> > > the idea?and that you?d like to see it implemented.
> > >
> > > In the Southeast Section, we?re lucky to have Greg Sarratt, W4OZK as our
> > > representative. Greg is active on VHF/UHF weak signal already. Need to
> > get
> > > him on the satellites more though!
> > >
> > > :-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 73,
> > >
> > > Les Rayburn, N1LF
> > > Maylene, AL
> > > EM63nf
> > > AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Apr 22, 2019, at 8:11 AM, John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???
<mailto:johnbrier@?????.???>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Would this proposed 5 band VUCC allow satellite and direct contacts?
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 9:01 AM David Kerl via AMSAT-BB
> > > > <amsat-bb@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???>
<mailto:amsat-bb@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???>>> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Hello Les,
> > > >> That should generate some incentive for more V/U/uwave activity. I
> > would
> > > >> certainly work towards that end.
> > > >> Dave
> > > >> N9HF
> > > >> el99
> > > >>
> > > >> "Back in my day" doesn't have a place in ham radio any more.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 10:50 PM Les Rayburn via VHF <
> > > vhf@????.????????.??? <mailto:vhf@????.????????.???>
<mailto:vhf@????.????????.??? <mailto:vhf@????.????????.???>>>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Lady & Gentlemen,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from anyone
> > on
> > > >>> the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was
> > > lost in
> > > >>> cyberspace.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM,
I?d
> > > like
> > > >>> to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that
> > would
> > > >>> closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or
> > > more of
> > > >>> the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special
> > > >>> certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on
the
> > > >>> VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222,
1296,
> > > and
> > > >>> higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale
> > of
> > > more
> > > >>> gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and
> > > advances
> > > >>> the state of the radio art.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I
> > > could
> > > >>> do to help support the creation of the new award. As always,
grateful
> > > for
> > > >>> your service to the hobby.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 73,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> > > >>> 121 Mayfair Park
> > > >>> Maylene, AL 35114
> > > >>> EM63nf
> > > >>> AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> _______________________________________________
> > > >>> VHF mailing list
> > > >>> VHF@????.????????.???
<mailto:VHF@????.????????.???><mailto:VHF@????.????????.???
<mailto:VHF@????.????????.???>>
> > > >>> https://w6yx.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/vhf
<https://w6yx.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/vhf> <
> > > https://w6yx.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/vhf
<https://w6yx.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/vhf>>
> > > >>>
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 18:47:35 -0400
From: Mike Diehl <diehl.mike.a@?????.???>
To: Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???>
Cc: amsat-bb <AMSAT-BB@?????.???>, K7XC Tim Marek <k7xcnv1@?????.???>,
"vhf@????.????????.???? <VHF@????.????????.???>, VHF Contesting
Reflector <vhfcontesting@??????????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] [VHFcontesting] [VHF] 5 Band VUCC Award
Message-ID: <63C2CEA3-9FB4-446C-895B-B807F4418D30@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> I fully support a VUCC award for Rovers, administered by the ARRL. But
everyone should be aware that would require considerably more programming
changes to LoTW. These are not trivial factors.
I?m curious why this would mean considerable programming changes unless
there?s something inherently wrong with LoTW. It literally takes me <10
lines of code to come up with a list of all squares someone has operated
from by parsing the ADIF output from a LoTW query, this becomes a one liner
with ?SELECT DISTINCT? when you have direct access to the DB.
TBH, it seems more like ARRL not keeping up with the times. Roving is more
popular than ever and they didn?t even have the foresight to create such an
award during the great grid challenge.
The ARRL, where you can get credit for working an op at a specific building
or pile of rocks in the ocean but zilch for actually going to those places.
And yes that?s part of why all of those ?we want you back!? emails get sent
to the bit bucket.
73,
Mike Diehl
W8LID/VE6LID
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