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Today's Topics:
1. Re: 5 Band VUCC Award (Les Rayburn)
2. Re: [VHFcontesting] [VHF] 5 Band VUCC Award (Les Rayburn)
3. Re: [VHFcontesting] Five Band VUCC (5BVUCC) Award Proposal
(Mike Diehl)
4. Upcoming Satellite Passes--Best Tool Question (Les Rayburn)
5. Re: Upcoming Satellite Passes--Best Tool Question (Hans BX2ABT)
6. Re: Upcoming Satellite Passes--Best Tool Question
(Apostolos Kefalas)
7. Re: Upcoming Satellite Passes--Best Tool Question (Roy Dean)
8. Re: Upcoming Satellite Passes--Best Tool Question
(Andrew Glasbrenner)
9. Re: Upcoming Satellite Passes--Best Tool Question
(Mark L. Hammond)
10. Re: Upcoming Satellite Passes--Best Tool Question (Jeff Johns)
11. Re: [VHFcontesting] [VHF] 5 Band VUCC Award (Jeff Johns)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 18:03:48 -0500
From: Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???>
To: Greg Sarratt <gsarratt@???.???>
Cc: Greg Sarratt W4OZK <w4ozk@????.???>, "vhf@????.????????.????
<vhf@????.????????.???>, W3IZ@????.?????????? BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>,
VHF Contesting Reflector <vhfcontesting@??????????.???>, "Taratula,
Sharon" <staratula@????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] 5 Band VUCC Award
Message-ID: <A8294940-074A-42FF-8617-9DA35F0EDCCD@????????????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Greg,
Always good to hear from you, my friend. Been too long since we?ve had an
eyeball QSO.
Reading the mail on this proposal, it?s clear that there is also
considerable interest and support for a VUCC ?Rover? award?something that I
believe would also generate more activity.
With any proposal, I try to keep it mind how much programming will be
required to implement it in terms of administration, and/or programming in
LoTW. I understand those considerations are not trivial?alas, I?m not sure
everyone gets that. :-)
Thank you for supporting the idea, and taking it to the Programs and
Services Committee for consideration. Please let me know if I can do
anything to support the effort. I?ll look forward to seeing how it?s viewed
by the Committee and the Board.
Also appreciate all that you do for the hobby. I have some appreciation for
how much of your time it consumes. I?m sure you?d rather be operating and
enjoying the hobby sometimes. It does not go unnoticed or unappreciated.
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF
Maylene, AL
EM63nf
AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
> On Apr 22, 2019, at 5:29 PM, Greg Sarratt <gsarratt@???.???> wrote:
>
> Hello Les,
>
> I just read all the emails sent today and now we have some good
information from folks from all around the US. I like this idea. I am on
the ARRL Programs and Services Committee and will bring it to the committee
for review.
>
> Thank you for bringing this up to help increase activity and I appreciate
everyone submitting comments.
>
> 73,
> Greg Sarratt, W4OZK
>
>
>
> On Apr 21, 2019, at 9:50 PM, Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???
<mailto:les@????????????.???>> wrote:
>
>> Lady & Gentlemen,
>>
>> Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from anyone on
the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was lost in
cyberspace.
>>
>> In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM, I?d
like to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that would
closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
>>
>> Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or more
of the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special
certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
>>
>> My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on the
VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222, 1296, and
higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale of more
gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and advances the
state of the radio art.
>>
>> Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I could
do to help support the creation of the new award. As always, grateful for
your service to the hobby.
>>
>>
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Les Rayburn, N1LF
>> 121 Mayfair Park
>> Maylene, AL 35114
>> EM63nf
>> AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 18:13:43 -0500
From: Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???>
To: Mike Diehl <diehl.mike.a@?????.???>
Cc: amsat-bb <AMSAT-BB@?????.???>, K7XC Tim Marek <k7xcnv1@?????.???>,
"vhf@????.????????.???? <VHF@????.????????.???>, VHF Contesting
Reflector <vhfcontesting@??????????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] [VHFcontesting] [VHF] 5 Band VUCC Award
Message-ID: <0BB77EAD-DE85-4A3D-AB20-FAF5BB7B8320@????????????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Mike,
I?m not a programmer, so I can?t speak to the technical details. I do know
that the demands on the LoTW staff are considerable?including routine
maintenance, programming changes to support additional awards, server
maintenance, etc.
There are also administrative requirements for new awards that include
printing, mailing, record keeping, etc. With a limited staff, these
considerations are also a factor.
That said, I fully support a VHF/UHF Century Club ?Rover? Award from the
AARL. Anything that incentivizes and rewards rovers is a great idea. All of
us benefit from rovers, and they make contests more exciting too.
With any organization (or proposal) there will always be things that we
might like to change?but you can?t change an organization from the outside.
Only by being a member, and being active can you affect change.
Wish I had your programming skills. I have trouble keeping my own log
straight! :-)
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF
Maylene, AL
EM63nf
AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
> On Apr 22, 2019, at 5:47 PM, Mike Diehl <diehl.mike.a@?????.???> wrote:
>
>>
>> I fully support a VUCC award for Rovers, administered by the ARRL. But
everyone should be aware that would require considerably more programming
changes to LoTW. These are not trivial factors.
>
> I?m curious why this would mean considerable programming changes unless
there?s something inherently wrong with LoTW. It literally takes me <10
lines of code to come up with a list of all squares someone has operated
from by parsing the ADIF output from a LoTW query, this becomes a one liner
with ?SELECT DISTINCT? when you have direct access to the DB.
>
> TBH, it seems more like ARRL not keeping up with the times. Roving is more
popular than ever and they didn?t even have the foresight to create such an
award during the great grid challenge.
>
> The ARRL, where you can get credit for working an op at a specific
building or pile of rocks in the ocean but zilch for actually going to those
places. And yes that?s part of why all of those ?we want you back!? emails
get sent to the bit bucket.
>
> 73,
> Mike Diehl
> W8LID/VE6LID
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 22:37:37 -0400
From: Mike Diehl <diehl.mike.a@?????.???>
To: K7XC Tim Marek <k7xcnv1@?????.???>
Cc: "vhf@????.????????.???? <vhf@????.????????.???>, AMSAT BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???>, Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???>, Greg Sarratt
W4OZK <w4ozk@????.???>, VHF Contesting Reflector
<vhfcontesting@??????????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] [VHFcontesting] Five Band VUCC (5BVUCC) Award
Proposal
Message-ID: <58D3E63A-5DB5-4048-91F3-B48DFDCC5E9A@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!
Tim,
Your take on this seems to be on the curmudgeon side, ?I carried an EME
array uphill both ways and so should you? so I decided to quote your
signature instead. Consider for a moment that someone with a VUCC Satellite
got inspired to try EME or MS because they already have 1 of 5. Also
consider the terrestrial op with 4 of 5 who decides to give satellites a try.
Adapt to make your part of the hobby attractive to others.
Overcome your fears that your accomplishments will somehow be diminished.
Succeed in drawing attention to a niche market.
73,
Mike Diehl
W8LID/VE6LID
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 23:28:28 -0500
From: Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???>
To: amsat-bb <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming Satellite Passes--Best Tool Question
Message-ID: <CB9BED94-A018-4E8C-A659-117548988B1C@????????????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
I need some advice, and I promise to be grateful.
Trying to work a sked tonight with Jeff W4EB on EO-88 and yours truly made a
series of newbie mistakes.
Since becoming involved in satellites, I?ve always relied on the ?Countdown?
program within SatPC32 to let me know what passes were coming up at my
location.
Tonight I learned that I?ve been missing God knows how many passes per day!
The Countdown software will only display one (1) upcoming pass for a given
satellite at your location until that satellite has disappeared from view.
In the case of EO-88, I actually had two passes overhead about an hour
apart, but only knew about the first one.
Strictly Windows 10 PC in the shack. What?s the best tool to use to help me
visualize ALL the upcoming passes for the next twelve hours or so at my
location. I love the Countdown format, just want to be able to see multiple
passes from the same birds.
P.S. The other newbie mistake was forgetting to switch my antenna back to
the IC-910H after doing an APRS pass earlier on the D-710. DUH! I really
need to invest in an IC-9700.
Thanks Jeff for your patience.
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF
Maylene, AL
EM63nf
AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 12:37:29 +0800
From: Hans BX2ABT <hans.bx2abt@???.?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Upcoming Satellite Passes--Best Tool Question
Message-ID: <f1e179bc-b69d-43f6-7f5a-39e5d9196320@???.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
If you have an Android phone go for the ISS Detector app. It displays
only the sats you want to follow and gives you skeds for days in
advance. Plus it will give an alarm when the next pass is coming up. I
use it when I walk around the house so I won't miss any pass (I tend to
get caught up in other stuff and forget to look at the clock).
I know it's not PC based, but it's worth considering.
Hans
BX2ABT
On 04/23/2019 12:28 PM, Les Rayburn via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> I need some advice, and I promise to be grateful.
>
> Trying to work a sked tonight with Jeff W4EB on EO-88 and yours truly made
a series of newbie mistakes.
>
> Since becoming involved in satellites, I?ve always relied on the
?Countdown? program within SatPC32 to let me know what passes were coming up
at my location.
>
> Tonight I learned that I?ve been missing God knows how many passes per
day! The Countdown software will only display one (1) upcoming pass for a
given satellite at your location until that satellite has disappeared from
view.
>
> In the case of EO-88, I actually had two passes overhead about an hour
apart, but only knew about the first one.
>
> Strictly Windows 10 PC in the shack. What?s the best tool to use to help
me visualize ALL the upcoming passes for the next twelve hours or so at my
location. I love the Countdown format, just want to be able to see multiple
passes from the same birds.
>
> P.S. The other newbie mistake was forgetting to switch my antenna back to
the IC-910H after doing an APRS pass earlier on the D-710. DUH! I really
need to invest in an IC-9700.
>
> Thanks Jeff for your patience.
>
>
> 73,
>
> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> Maylene, AL
> EM63nf
> AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
------------------------------
Message: 6
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 11:21:45 +0300
From: Apostolos Kefalas <sv1ljj@????.???>
To: Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???>, amsat-bb <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Upcoming Satellite Passes--Best Tool Question
Message-ID: <1556007705.4752.1.camel@????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Hello Les,
the latest release of Gpredict?[1] seems to have a Windows executable
[2]. I do not know if it runs on Win10 but it is worth a try.
73 de SV1LJJ
Apostolos
[1] http://gpredict.oz9aec.net/
[2] https://github.com/csete/gpredict/releases/download/v2.2.1/gpredict
-win32-2.2.1.zip
On Mon, 2019-04-22 at 23:28 -0500, Les Rayburn via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> I need some advice, and I promise to be grateful.?
>
> Trying to work a sked tonight with Jeff W4EB on EO-88 and yours truly
> made a series of newbie mistakes.?
>
> Since becoming involved in satellites, I?ve always relied on the
> ?Countdown? program within SatPC32 to let me know what passes were
> coming up at my location.?
>
> Tonight I learned that I?ve been missing God knows how many passes
> per day! The Countdown software will only display one (1) upcoming
> pass for a given satellite at your location until that satellite has
> disappeared from view.?
>
> In the case of EO-88, I actually had two passes overhead about an
> hour apart, but only knew about the first one.?
>
> Strictly Windows 10 PC in the shack. What?s the best tool to use to
> help me visualize ALL the upcoming passes for the next twelve hours
> or so at my location. I love the Countdown format, just want to be
> able to see multiple passes from the same birds.?
>
> P.S. The other newbie mistake was forgetting to switch my antenna
> back to the IC-910H after doing an APRS pass earlier on the D-710.
> DUH! I really need to invest in an IC-9700.?
>
> Thanks Jeff for your patience.?
>
>
> 73,
>
> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> Maylene, AL?
> EM63nf
> AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
>
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 07:31:42 -0400
From: Roy Dean <royldean@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Upcoming Satellite Passes--Best Tool Question
Message-ID:
<CADGPg2s-yeuUDELHFVopt2Ua8ah8im=7tx7YjxveOsHFUF86Sg@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
http://www.amsat.org.ar/pass
Enter your 6 digit grid, and then select "FM Voice Sats" or "SSB + FM"
sats. Just click on the pass you want to target and it will pop up a
infographic in the top right, with countdown to AOS. It will run on any
system, in a browser window. I zoom into the top right and place my phone
at my feet during a pass, and it will show you the direction and elevation
of the pass, as well as estimated doppler adjustments.
But I'm biased, I was born in Argentina.... No connection to the website
other than that, though. :)
--Roy
K3RLD
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 05:53:23 -0700
From: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@??????????.???>
To: Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???>, amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Upcoming Satellite Passes--Best Tool Question
Message-ID: <87E0D634-61D3-40D9-8CFA-451E040BE576@??????????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Go to the programs tab and run WinAOS, select the satellites you wish, and
you?ll have what you are looking for.
73, Drew KO4MA
> On Apr 22, 2019, at 9:28 PM, Les Rayburn via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
>
> I need some advice, and I promise to be grateful.
>
> Trying to work a sked tonight with Jeff W4EB on EO-88 and yours truly made
a series of newbie mistakes.
>
> Since becoming involved in satellites, I?ve always relied on the
?Countdown? program within SatPC32 to let me know what passes were coming up
at my location.
>
> Tonight I learned that I?ve been missing God knows how many passes per
day! The Countdown software will only display one (1) upcoming pass for a
given satellite at your location until that satellite has disappeared from
view.
>
> In the case of EO-88, I actually had two passes overhead about an hour
apart, but only knew about the first one.
>
> Strictly Windows 10 PC in the shack. What?s the best tool to use to help
me visualize ALL the upcoming passes for the next twelve hours or so at my
location. I love the Countdown format, just want to be able to see multiple
passes from the same birds.
>
> P.S. The other newbie mistake was forgetting to switch my antenna back to
the IC-910H after doing an APRS pass earlier on the D-710. DUH! I really
need to invest in an IC-9700.
>
> Thanks Jeff for your patience.
>
>
> 73,
>
> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> Maylene, AL
> EM63nf
> AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
------------------------------
Message: 9
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 09:00:23 -0400
From: "Mark L. Hammond" <marklhammond@?????.???>
To: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@??????????.???>
Cc: Amsat - BBs <amsat-bb@?????.???>, Les Rayburn
<les@????????????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Upcoming Satellite Passes--Best Tool Question
Message-ID:
<CAPRXzypF-xgXkF9AGO+R=qxSKPt5GtpxXMYF0dTVMNftfV9NMg@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
WinAOS is my preferred method when in the shack or printing on paper to
take along with me. On my iPhone, I can easily recommend the free app
SatSat. It's quick and easy to use, can see a couple days of passes for a
bird with a touch. Virtually no configuration needed...just add the sats
you want. Nice feature--calendar reminder for upcoming passes!
Mark N8MH
On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 8:55 AM Andrew Glasbrenner via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Go to the programs tab and run WinAOS, select the satellites you wish, and
> you?ll have what you are looking for.
>
> 73, Drew KO4MA
>
> > On Apr 22, 2019, at 9:28 PM, Les Rayburn via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> >
> > I need some advice, and I promise to be grateful.
> >
> > Trying to work a sked tonight with Jeff W4EB on EO-88 and yours truly
> made a series of newbie mistakes.
> >
> > Since becoming involved in satellites, I?ve always relied on the
> ?Countdown? program within SatPC32 to let me know what passes were coming
> up at my location.
> >
> > Tonight I learned that I?ve been missing God knows how many passes per
> day! The Countdown software will only display one (1) upcoming pass for a
> given satellite at your location until that satellite has disappeared from
> view.
> >
> > In the case of EO-88, I actually had two passes overhead about an hour
> apart, but only knew about the first one.
> >
> > Strictly Windows 10 PC in the shack. What?s the best tool to use to help
> me visualize ALL the upcoming passes for the next twelve hours or so at my
> location. I love the Countdown format, just want to be able to see multiple
> passes from the same birds.
> >
> > P.S. The other newbie mistake was forgetting to switch my antenna back
> to the IC-910H after doing an APRS pass earlier on the D-710. DUH! I really
> need to invest in an IC-9700.
> >
> > Thanks Jeff for your patience.
> >
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Les Rayburn, N1LF
> > Maylene, AL
> > EM63nf
> > AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
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>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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>
--
Mark L. Hammond [N8MH]
------------------------------
Message: 10
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 08:11:52 -0500
From: Jeff Johns <jeff30339@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Upcoming Satellite Passes--Best Tool Question
Message-ID: <7EFD2753-B8BA-498D-A0B3-96D6D2712E49@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
No worries. I still made a contact on that pass and you are able to fix
something on your end to help you work more passes. It?s a win-win for both
of us.
Jeff WE4B
> On Apr 22, 2019, at 11:28 PM, Les Rayburn via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> I need some advice, and I promise to be grateful.
>
> Trying to work a sked tonight with Jeff W4EB on EO-88 and yours truly made
a series of newbie mistakes.
>
> Since becoming involved in satellites, I?ve always relied on the
?Countdown? program within SatPC32 to let me know what passes were coming up
at my location.
>
> Tonight I learned that I?ve been missing God knows how many passes per
day! The Countdown software will only display one (1) upcoming pass for a
given satellite at your location until that satellite has disappeared from
view.
>
> In the case of EO-88, I actually had two passes overhead about an hour
apart, but only knew about the first one.
>
> Strictly Windows 10 PC in the shack. What?s the best tool to use to help
me visualize ALL the upcoming passes for the next twelve hours or so at my
location. I love the Countdown format, just want to be able to see multiple
passes from the same birds.
>
> P.S. The other newbie mistake was forgetting to switch my antenna back to
the IC-910H after doing an APRS pass earlier on the D-710. DUH! I really
need to invest in an IC-9700.
>
> Thanks Jeff for your patience.
>
>
> 73,
>
> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> Maylene, AL
> EM63nf
> AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
------------------------------
Message: 11
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 08:14:23 -0500
From: Jeff Johns <jeff30339@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] [VHFcontesting] [VHF] 5 Band VUCC Award
Message-ID: <CE685F39-193D-403C-8675-46C890F6684A@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Long live Harambe!
With that said, Gabe is correct. I and my daughter keep three local grids
active but could only hope to aspire to the grids that others put on the
air. There definitely should be an award for that.
If anyone ever needs EM61/62/72, feel free to reach out to me. If you ever
need exotic grids, you?ll need to reach out to those like Gabe and those in
his class of roving. 73!
Jeff WE4B
> On Apr 22, 2019, at 3:46 PM, Gabriel Zeifman via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> I don?t like the idea of them being in the same award, I don?t see why they
> couldn?t be considered another band. I see satellites as different but
> equal. I?ve done a bit of 2m/70cm roving during contests, but I definitely
> wouldn?t consider myself qualified to talk about the intricacies of it.
> Same with working AO-10/13 decades ago. Not all satellite QSOs are
> comparable to throwing an antenna on a tripod and parking it there for
> hours and working the world on a HEO sat. While it?s incredibly easy to
> work an FM sat overhead, a monkey could do it on a baofeng blindfolded,
> it?s equally easy to work a simplex QSO over a few miles. All domains have
> their areas of difficulty, and what I personally enjoy in satellites is the
> short windows at or below the horizon, where a theoretical window may not
> even exist or where it?s there for a matter of seconds. Over the three
> years I?ve been licensed, I?ve activated 417 grids and 28 DXCCs on
> satellites, flying my little plane around Alaska and driving over 80,000
> miles for it, so don?t underestimate the efforts and the costs rovers go
> through to put grids on the air on satellites. And we don?t even have
> contests. Making contacts beyond the maximum theoretical range of a
> satellite is no easy feat. So go ahead and say we?re different, we sure
> are, but don?t say we aren?t worthy.
>
> 73,
> Gabe
> AL6D/VE6NJH
>
>
>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 12:28 PM K7XC Tim Marek <k7xcnv1@?????.???> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Gabe,
>>
>> Please don't think I am am anti satellite,
>>
>> I was active for years on AO-10 and AO-13 and the Russian LEO birds of 2up
>> and 10 down, etc.
>>
>> What I am Against is an Award that allows credits from both in the same
>> award...
>>
>> ASSISTED QSOs IE: Satellites, Repeaters, Etc
>> and
>> UNASSISTED QSOs IE: Tropo, Es, MS, EME, etc
>>
>> Within the SAME AWARD!
>>
>> It makes no sense to mix the two in one award as they are Apple and
>> Oranges IE: Not the same animal.
>>
>> Weather I have made any recent Satellite contacts or not has no bearing on
>> my point!
>>
>>
>> 73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh.. sk
>>
>> Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 8:08 PM Gabriel Zeifman <gabrielzeifman@?????.???>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is an intriguing observation, considering satellite VUCC has been
>>> around for years. I don?t think I?ve ever heard you on one of our
?repeater
>>> like? satellites?
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Gabe
>>> AL6D/VE6NJH
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 11:55 AM K7XC Tim Marek via AMSAT-BB <
>>> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A 5 Band VUCC award sound interesting. Would it allow existing VUCC
>>>> contacts already in LOTW
>>>> to be used for credit or require all New & Separate ones?
>>>>
>>>> Currently the existing VUCC rules however state that Repeater Like QSOs
>>>> are
>>>> NOT allowed,
>>>> and that means NO Satellites!
>>>>
>>>> I agree with the rules as written and cant support adding Non Terrestrial
>>>> contacts to a Terrestrial award!
>>>>
>>>> If we allow this to happen it muddies the waters from that point on,
>>>> disrespecting everyone who in the
>>>> past worked their butts off to accomplish something not easy to do. The
>>>> fact it was hard made the goal
>>>> worth chasing. The argument its too hard and discourages others Holds No
>>>> Water. If you want something
>>>> bad enough you will do whats needed to get it.
>>>>
>>>> I reject your proposal to include Satellite QSOs with Terrestrial QSOs
>>>> and
>>>> encourage others to do as well.
>>>>
>>>> 73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh... sk
>>>>
>>>> Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:32 PM Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> John,
>>>>>
>>>>> My proposal would allow ?Satellite VUCC? to count towards 5BVUCC. The
>>>> idea
>>>>> is to allow the ARRL to create the new award with minimal programming
>>>>> changes needed to LoTW and minimal cost to implement.
>>>>>
>>>>> So far, this suggestion has netted over 40 replies to me in less than
>>>> 12
>>>>> hours. Response has been very positive. I would urge anyone who
>>>> supports
>>>>> this effort to contact their ARRL Section Managers and let them know
>>>> about
>>>>> the idea?and that you?d like to see it implemented.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the Southeast Section, we?re lucky to have Greg Sarratt, W4OZK as
>>>> our
>>>>> representative. Greg is active on VHF/UHF weak signal already. Need to
>>>> get
>>>>> him on the satellites more though!
>>>>>
>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 73,
>>>>>
>>>>> Les Rayburn, N1LF
>>>>> Maylene, AL
>>>>> EM63nf
>>>>> AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2019, at 8:11 AM, John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would this proposed 5 band VUCC allow satellite and direct contacts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 9:01 AM David Kerl via AMSAT-BB
>>>>>> <amsat-bb@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Les,
>>>>>>> That should generate some incentive for more V/U/uwave activity. I
>>>> would
>>>>>>> certainly work towards that end.
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>> N9HF
>>>>>>> el99
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Back in my day" doesn't have a place in ham radio any more.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 10:50 PM Les Rayburn via VHF <
>>>>> vhf@????.????????.??? <mailto:vhf@????.????????.???>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lady & Gentlemen,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from
>>>> anyone on
>>>>>>>> the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was
>>>>> lost in
>>>>>>>> cyberspace.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM,
>>>> I?d
>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that
>>>> would
>>>>>>>> closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or
>>>>> more of
>>>>>>>> the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special
>>>>>>>> certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222,
>>>> 1296,
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the
>>>> sale of
>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and
>>>>> advances
>>>>>>>> the state of the radio art.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I
>>>>> could
>>>>>>>> do to help support the creation of the new award. As always,
>>>> grateful
>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> your service to the hobby.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Les Rayburn, N1LF
>>>>>>>> 121 Mayfair Park
>>>>
<https://maps.google.com/?q=121+Mayfair+Park+%0D%0A+Maylene,+AL+35114&entry=gm
ail&source=g>
>>>>
>>>>
<https://maps.google.com/?q=121+Mayfair+Park+%0D%0A+Maylene,+AL+35114&entry=gm
ail&source=g>>
>>>>>>> Maylene, AL 35114
>>>>
<https://maps.google.com/?q=121+Mayfair+Park+%0D%0A+Maylene,+AL+35114&entry=gm
ail&source=g>
>>>>>>>> EM63nf
>>>>>>>> AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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