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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Fwd: Final email. (John Becker)
2. Re: Fwd: Final email. (Dave Swanson)
3. Re: Fwd: Final email. (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
4. Re: Fwd: Final email. (R.T.Liddy)
5. Re: Fwd: Final email. (Stefan Wagener)
6. Re: Fwd: Final email. (Patrick STODDARD)
7. Re: Fwd: Final email. (Kevin Schuchmann)
8. Publish your QSL policy (Koos van den Hout)
9. Re: Fwd: Final email. (Stefan Wagener)
10. Re: Fwd: Final email. (Kevin Muenzler, WB5RUE)
11. Re: Fwd: Final email. (John / NS1Z)
12. Re: Fwd: Final email. (Patrick)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 10:56:45 -0500
From: John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Fwd: Final email.
Message-ID: <552BE73D.5060204@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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I for one will not do any of the on line stuff but if requested I will send
a QSL card in an envelop.
John
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 11:25:54 -0500
From: Dave Swanson <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Fwd: Final email.
Message-ID: <552BEE12.7030309@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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I'm still the new guy around this community, and try to sit back and
listen and learn. But here's the thing... this is a threat, a threat
over something as utterly silly as QSL card delay. Wow. So as the new
guy I'm going to come out and say that this is unacceptable.
In my short 9 months of operating satellites, I've made nearly 1000
contacts and operated from 30 different grids. I have (at least) two
1000 mile plus trips planned for May and June where I'll be bringing my
sat gear with me, and probably more as work trips ramp back up this
fall. I've gone out of my way to activate grids for this, and other
individuals, and I QSL via LOTW or card - all people have to do is ask.
It's fun, I like it, and I enjoy it. I rove... a lot.. and I fill out a
lot of cards. With this in mind, as of today I am implementing a new
policy for my roving:
If you act like a jerk to other members of this community, I will not
answer you when I rove. It's that simple. That way there is no heartburn
over late QSL cards, because we'll have never made contact in the first
place.
73, Dave, KG5CCI
On 4/13/2015 7:48 AM, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I answer QSLs for my rover ops when I can, but everyone gets a card
eventually. Generally it takes me a month or two. Harassing and threatening
me by email doesn't help at all.
>
> 73, Drew KO4MA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Jeff Lamb <nx9b@xxxxxxx.xxx>
>> Date: April 13, 2015 at 8:27:28 AM EDT
>> To: "glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
>> Subject: Final email.
>>
>> Drew, this is my final email to you about my QSL cards that I sent you an
SASE for back in mid January.
>> You have refused to acknowledge any previous attempts to contact you
about this problem.
>> If you do not acknowledge receipt of my correspondence, my next action
will be in a much more public forum.
>>
>> You have plenty of time to work Yuri but you can't fill out my cards?
>>
>> I can tell you that I send out QSL cards to everyone I work from
portable, usually at my own expense and upload all to LoTW. It's just the
way it's supposed to be done.
>>
>> The ball is in your court but your time is running out. If I have not
heard from you by week's end, this will go public and not in a flattering way.
>>
>> Your call.
>>
>> 73 de Jeff, NX9B, EM66sj
>>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 09:44:46 -0700
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Fwd: Final email.
Message-ID:
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Hi!
> One quick thought that would help both sides: don't volunteer to answer QSL
> cards if you know you can't get them out in a timely manner. It saves the
> volunteer from being rushed and constantly bothered to do something for
> which they're not being paid and it saves the receiver of the card the
> nervousness and impatience of not getting a card as soon as they can.
First of all, define "timely manner". This is a very subjective standard,
and will differ based on the QSO/QSL scenario.
If someone doesn't want to deal with QSL cards, this is something that
could be clearly noted on QRZ.com. In fact, that site now has yes/no
questions for how QSLs are handled by stations - by mail, eQSL, or
Logbook of the World. Using the biography section in your QRZ.com
entry to clearly spell this out is also recommended to get the point
across.
For others, real life can get in the way of this hobby and this part of
the hobby. Think work, family, etc. For me, I have been at events
representing AMSAT (along with other operating) over the past 5
weekends in different locations around Arizona, Nevada, and
California. I have one more event coming up this Friday evening in
Tucson, before I have a weekend where I can be at home for more
than part of one weekend day. I am behind in my own QSLing,
going back to a couple of events in mid-February in California and
Arizona. All of these QSOs have been uploaded to Logbook of
the World, sometimes the same day the QSOs were made, or
within 24-48 hours of the QSOs. I enjoy answering the QSL
requests I get in the mail. In fact, for most of my road trips, I will
typically send QSL cards out to everyone I work - even if I
didn't get a request from them in the first place. Especially if I had
been operating from rarely-heard locations on the satellites.
Since I should be home on Saturday and Sunday next weekend, I
should have time to get cards printed for all of those events and the
different locations I've worked from over the past couple of months.
I hope to get the majority of those QSLs to the post office by next
Monday morning. Even for QSOs I made in mid-February, I would
consider this to be responding in a "timely manner". You might not,
and others might not, but that's the problem with a subjective
standard.
It's unfortunate that NX9B resorted to sending KO4MA that e-mail.
I am glad to see that Drew took the matter public, to disarm the
threat from that e-mail.
73.
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @xxxxxx
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 16:49:07 +0000 (UTC)
From: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Fwd: Final email.
Message-ID:
<615219459.1936758.1428943747319.JavaMail.yahoo@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Bruce, et al:
It's very frustrating when you try numerous times to get a
neededQSL/confirmation. Been there, done that, so many times I can'teven
remember. Sometimes, no amount of money or number ofdifferent methods will
work. Finally, you just have to give up anddelete the QSO.
On a couple of occasions, a Ham Friend knew I was traveling toa particular
location and asked if I'd meet up with a Ham that owedhim a QSL. The friend
set everything up and I met the Ham and gotthe card and we had a great
eyeball QSO over coffee and shared somegood stories.
My advice is to go to your QRZ.com page and outline specifically whatyour
QSL'ing policies are - LoTW, QSL Card w/SASE, eQSL, "don't", etc.Then,
everyone will know what to expect. Sometimes, a friendly e-mailwill work as
a reminder if it has been a long time - emphasis on friendly.
GL/73, ? ? ?Bob K8BL
P.S. ?Please use your name AND CALL on your BB postings. I see a lot? ? ? ?
that are merely signed as Joe or Tom or Fred, etc. Who ARE you??
From: Bruce <kk5do@xxxx.xxx>
To: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>; "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Fwd: Final email.
oh boy.... i cannot tell you how many stations i have sent cards to over
the past 25 years and have never received a card back. and a demand that
if you don't send a card or reply to my email i am going public. really?
one station in particular is a foreign country. sent a card with irc, no
reply. sent a card with irc and $1 and no reply. sent a card with irc
and $5 and no reply. had someone going to iceland knock on his door and
ask for a card, no he said. gave up with iceland on satellite. of
course, that was back in ao-13/ao-40 days.
then there was a stateside station. sent me a qsl request but no
envelope. this was before lotw. he bashed me on the bb saying that i was
the most discourteous amsat member because this was the most cost
effective way to exchange cards. he sends a card and pays postage to me
and then i pay the postage back to him. that would be great if i needed
another card from his state (which i don't). therefore, the most cost
effective way for him to exchange cards was to cost me money.
now with lotw, i don't chase paper cards that much. well, don't chase
any cards that much except hf honor roll... 7 more.
73...bruce
On 4/13/2015 7:48 AM, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I answer QSLs for my rover ops when I can, but everyone gets a card
eventually. Generally it takes me a month or two. Harassing and threatening
me by email doesn't help at all.
>
> 73, Drew KO4MA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
--
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? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
AMSAT Director Contests and Awards
?
ARRL Awards Field Checker (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE
? ? ? ? ?
Houston AMSAT Net - Wed 0100z on Echolink - Conference *AMSAT*
Also live streaming MP3 at http://www.amsatnet.com
Podcast at http://www.amsatnet.com/podcast.xml or iTunes
? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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http://www.arrl.org
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 11:53:11 -0500
From: Stefan Wagener <wageners@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Fwd: Final email.
Message-ID:
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Sorry Patrick,
but two bads do not make one good. As inappropriate as any threat is, the
mail was to Drew alone and he could have handled that. Making it a "public
spectacle" and now a shaming exercise is not a good thing either. All of us
overreact out of frustration (sometimes). Having it played out in the
public domain serves nobody. Hopefully we can close it now and move on...
My 2 cents,
Stefan, VE4NSA
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) <
amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> > One quick thought that would help both sides: don't volunteer to answer
> QSL
> > cards if you know you can't get them out in a timely manner. It saves the
> > volunteer from being rushed and constantly bothered to do something for
> > which they're not being paid and it saves the receiver of the card the
> > nervousness and impatience of not getting a card as soon as they can.
>
> First of all, define "timely manner". This is a very subjective standard,
> and will differ based on the QSO/QSL scenario.
>
> If someone doesn't want to deal with QSL cards, this is something that
> could be clearly noted on QRZ.com. In fact, that site now has yes/no
> questions for how QSLs are handled by stations - by mail, eQSL, or
> Logbook of the World. Using the biography section in your QRZ.com
> entry to clearly spell this out is also recommended to get the point
> across.
>
> For others, real life can get in the way of this hobby and this part of
> the hobby. Think work, family, etc. For me, I have been at events
> representing AMSAT (along with other operating) over the past 5
> weekends in different locations around Arizona, Nevada, and
> California. I have one more event coming up this Friday evening in
> Tucson, before I have a weekend where I can be at home for more
> than part of one weekend day. I am behind in my own QSLing,
> going back to a couple of events in mid-February in California and
> Arizona. All of these QSOs have been uploaded to Logbook of
> the World, sometimes the same day the QSOs were made, or
> within 24-48 hours of the QSOs. I enjoy answering the QSL
> requests I get in the mail. In fact, for most of my road trips, I will
> typically send QSL cards out to everyone I work - even if I
> didn't get a request from them in the first place. Especially if I had
> been operating from rarely-heard locations on the satellites.
>
> Since I should be home on Saturday and Sunday next weekend, I
> should have time to get cards printed for all of those events and the
> different locations I've worked from over the past couple of months.
> I hope to get the majority of those QSLs to the post office by next
> Monday morning. Even for QSOs I made in mid-February, I would
> consider this to be responding in a "timely manner". You might not,
> and others might not, but that's the problem with a subjective
> standard.
>
> It's unfortunate that NX9B resorted to sending KO4MA that e-mail.
> I am glad to see that Drew took the matter public, to disarm the
> threat from that e-mail.
>
> 73.
>
>
>
>
> Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
> http://www.wd9ewk.net/
> Twitter: @xxxxxx
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 10:13:48 -0700
From: Patrick STODDARD <patrick@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Fwd: Final email.
Message-ID:
<CAN6TEUfBjQ-K6kgt-++XwqZWDtywy5+_mTEtiNN2pzpk_-8HcQ@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Stefan,
Normally, I would agree with you on that general principle. Drew decided
to answer the shakedown by shining the light of day (or, at least, posting
it on the AMSAT-BB) to disarm the threat levied in the original e-mail.
Knowing that Drew is one of many operators who has worked from many
locations for a long time, and has traditionally been good at answering
QSL requests, it is unfortunate that he had to receive an e-mail like he
did this morning.
Having this play out in public may have served one purpose - a reminder
that this is still a hobby, and that real life sometimes gets in the way of
the hobby.
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @xxxxxx
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Stefan Wagener wrote:
> Sorry Patrick,
>
> but two bads do not make one good. As inappropriate as any threat is, the
> mail was to Drew alone and he could have handled that. Making it a "public
> spectacle" and now a shaming exercise is not a good thing either. All of us
> overreact out of frustration (sometimes). Having it played out in the public
> domain serves nobody. Hopefully we can close it now and move on...
>
> My 2 cents,
>
> Stefan, VE4NSA
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 10:20:08 -0700
From: Kevin Schuchmann <WA6FWF@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Fwd: Final email.
Message-ID: <552BFAC8.90703@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
Would someone be so kind as to point out where a QSL card is required?
As far as I know there is no rules at all about them.
Therefore no ham "OWES" you a QSL card it is a courtesy and if you send
one and get one great! if not oh well work someone else and get your
card, but working someone and then demanding a card or else is totally
unacceptable,
IMHO Kevin WA6FWF
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 19:31:44 +0200
From: Koos van den Hout <koos@xxxxxx.xxxxxx.xx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Publish your QSL policy
Message-ID: <20150413173144.GA29838@xxxxxx.xxxxxx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Quoting Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) who wrote on Mon 2015-04-13 at 09:44:
> If someone doesn't want to deal with QSL cards, this is something that
> could be clearly noted on QRZ.com. In fact, that site now has yes/no
> questions for how QSLs are handled by stations - by mail, eQSL, or
> Logbook of the World. Using the biography section in your QRZ.com
> entry to clearly spell this out is also recommended to get the point
> across.
The last issue of the Veron (Dutch radio club) magazine had a mention that
due to rising costs of QSL forwarding by the different QSL bureaus it's a
good idea to publish a clear QSL policy. QRZ.com or other sites where you
publish about yourself related to your callsign are a good place to mention
your QSL policy.
Koos van den Hout PD4KH
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:20:43 -0500
From: Stefan Wagener <wageners@xxxxx.xxx>
To: patrick@xxxxxx.xxx
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Fwd: Final email.
Message-ID:
<CAKu8kHCYyHd7fxAXKrUHKE-gR4GYDbqzuP7vn4ZX-5xa4QiCNA@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Hi Patrick.
No problem. I know we can agree to disagree :-) Keep up the good work,
73 Stefan, VE4NSA
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Patrick STODDARD <patrick@xxxxxx.xxx>
wrote:
> Stefan,
>
> Normally, I would agree with you on that general principle. Drew decided
> to answer the shakedown by shining the light of day (or, at least, posting
> it on the AMSAT-BB) to disarm the threat levied in the original e-mail.
> Knowing that Drew is one of many operators who has worked from many
> locations for a long time, and has traditionally been good at answering
> QSL requests, it is unfortunate that he had to receive an e-mail like he
> did this morning.
>
> Having this play out in public may have served one purpose - a reminder
> that this is still a hobby, and that real life sometimes gets in the way of
> the hobby.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
> http://www.wd9ewk.net/
> Twitter: @xxxxxx
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Stefan Wagener wrote:
> > Sorry Patrick,
> >
> > but two bads do not make one good. As inappropriate as any threat is, the
> > mail was to Drew alone and he could have handled that. Making it a
> "public
> > spectacle" and now a shaming exercise is not a good thing either. All of
> us
> > overreact out of frustration (sometimes). Having it played out in the
> public
> > domain serves nobody. Hopefully we can close it now and move on...
> >
> > My 2 cents,
> >
> > Stefan, VE4NSA
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 15:55:49 -0500
From: "Kevin Muenzler, WB5RUE" <kevin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "'R.T.Liddy'" <k8bl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Fwd: Final email.
Message-ID: <017301d0762c$3992e070$acb8a150$@xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Just my two cents:
<2Cents>
You know, I haven't seen this much "debate" since the CW/no CW debates of a
few years ago and it's about as productive.
THIS IS A HOBBY! If you stress out over not receiving a QSL "quickly" (or
at all) then maybe you should choose a different hobby. I've received QSL
cards two or three years after the QSO and having "written it off," so what,
I got the card. I know there are guys and gals out there who love getting
that "rare one" and just can't wait to get the card. I know, been there,
done that but is it worth getting stressed when it takes "too long?"
</2Cents>
Ok, I feel better now.
Kevin Muenzler, WB5RUE
EL09uf
Eagle Creek Observatory
http://www.eaglecreekobservatory.org
I'm not very good with advice, can I interest you in a sarcastic comment?
-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On Behalf Of R.T.Liddy
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 11:49 AM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Fwd: Final email.
Bruce, et al:
It's very frustrating when you try numerous times to get a
neededQSL/confirmation. Been there, done that, so many times I can'teven
remember. Sometimes, no amount of money or number ofdifferent methods will
work. Finally, you just have to give up anddelete the QSO.
On a couple of occasions, a Ham Friend knew I was traveling toa particular
location and asked if I'd meet up with a Ham that owedhim a QSL. The friend
set everything up and I met the Ham and gotthe card and we had a great
eyeball QSO over coffee and shared somegood stories.
My advice is to go to your QRZ.com page and outline specifically whatyour
QSL'ing policies are - LoTW, QSL Card w/SASE, eQSL, "don't", etc.Then,
everyone will know what to expect. Sometimes, a friendly e-mailwill work as
a reminder if it has been a long time - emphasis on friendly.
GL/73, Bob K8BL
P.S. Please use your name AND CALL on your BB postings. I see a lot
that are merely signed as Joe or Tom or Fred, etc. Who ARE you??
From: Bruce <kk5do@xxxx.xxx>
To: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>; "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Fwd: Final email.
oh boy.... i cannot tell you how many stations i have sent cards to over the
past 25 years and have never received a card back. and a demand that if you
don't send a card or reply to my email i am going public. really?
one station in particular is a foreign country. sent a card with irc, no
reply. sent a card with irc and $1 and no reply. sent a card with irc and $5
and no reply. had someone going to iceland knock on his door and ask for a
card, no he said. gave up with iceland on satellite. of course, that was
back in ao-13/ao-40 days.
then there was a stateside station. sent me a qsl request but no envelope.
this was before lotw. he bashed me on the bb saying that i was the most
discourteous amsat member because this was the most cost effective way to
exchange cards. he sends a card and pays postage to me and then i pay the
postage back to him. that would be great if i needed another card from his
state (which i don't). therefore, the most cost effective way for him to
exchange cards was to cost me money.
now with lotw, i don't chase paper cards that much. well, don't chase any
cards that much except hf honor roll... 7 more.
73...bruce
On 4/13/2015 7:48 AM, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I answer QSLs for my rover ops when I can, but everyone gets a card
eventually. Generally it takes me a month or two. Harassing and threatening
me by email doesn't help at all.
>
> 73, Drew KO4MA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
--
Bruce Paige, KK5DO
AMSAT Director Contests and Awards
ARRL Awards Field Checker (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE
Houston AMSAT Net - Wed 0100z on Echolink - Conference *AMSAT* Also live
streaming MP3 at http://www.amsatnet.com Podcast at
http://www.amsatnet.com/podcast.xml or iTunes
Latest satellite news on the ARRL Audio News http://www.arrl.org
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 17:12:50 -0400
From: "John / NS1Z" <ns1zjohn@xxxxx.xxx>
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Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Fwd: Final email.
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If only the title were accurate....
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 20:39:06 -0400
From: Patrick <flymooney@xxxxx.xxx>
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Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Fwd: Final email.
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On 4/13/2015 12:44 PM, Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) wrote:
> First of all, define "timely manner". This is a very subjective standard,
> and will differ based on the QSO/QSL scenario.
>
I understand completely. Like all disputes, this one is mainly based on
miscommunication (or no communication) between the two parties. I think
the best thing to do is post on QRZ (or wherever) an advisory along the
lines of "I will QSL when I get time but I'm a very busy person so don't
expect it inside of 6 months". :)
I do think if someone is emailing you and getting frustrated, the best
avenue to settle things is to either a) answer and explain or b) take
care of whatever it is the complaint is about and get on with your life.
In this case, personally, I'd just taken the two minutes to fill out the
QSL and dropped it in the mail. If for anything, just so I didn't have
to be bothered anymore. Sometimes sticking with your pride and making a
point isn't the best way to handle things, even if you're 100% in the right.
We're all hams and members of an extended "ham family". We need to be
watching out for each other, doing whatever we can to help one another,
and sticking together in order to ensure a firm stand against those
people who don't have our best interests at heart. If that means
sometimes I have to cut someone slack I don't particularly like, then so
be it. I'll expect the same treatment when I fall short as well. :)
Patrick
K4PNR
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