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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Latest SpaceX GEO launch cost. (Joe)
2. Re: SatPC32 and Satellites Question (Erich Eichmann)
3. Re: Latest SpaceX GEO launch cost. (Burns Fisher)
4. Re: Latest SpaceX GEO launch cost. (KC9SGV)
5. Re: Latest SpaceX GEO launch cost. (KC9SGV)
6. Re: SatPC32 and Satellites Question (Erich Eichmann)
7. Re: Latest SpaceX GEO launch cost. (Zach Metzinger)
8. Re: Latest SpaceX GEO launch cost. (John Kludt)
9. Re: Latest SpaceX GEO launch cost. (Bill Booth)
10. Re: Latest SpaceX GEO launch cost. (Ryan Butler)
11. Psat2 sstv (Larry Fields)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 08:49:14 -0500
From: Joe <nss@???.???>
To: KC9SGV <kc9sgv@?????.???>, amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Latest SpaceX GEO launch cost.
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I read that article twice, and I do not see any mention as the cost from
Space X to put the Sat into orbit. All I see if the cost of the Sat
only. Nothing about what it cost to get it into orbit.
Joe WB9SBD
Sig
The Original Rolling Ball Clock
Idle Tyme
Idle-Tyme.com
http://www.idle-tyme.com
On 8/9/2019 8:31 AM, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Hi All,
> Just saw this latest effort by SpaceX to launch the Israeli AMOS satellite
into GEO orbit.
> The cost is staggering.
>
> Maybe we should go with somehow securing transponder bandwidth on existing
GEO satellites as an alternative ?
>
>
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spacex-launch-today-live-stream-falcon-9-set-to-l
aunch-israeli-satellite-3-years-after-explosion-destroyed-first-one/
>
> Bernard,
> KC9SGV
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
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>
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 13:39:46 +0200
From: Erich Eichmann <erich.eichmann@???.??>
To: AMSAT-BB@?????.???? Alan Blind <wa9wud@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 and Satellites Question
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Hi Alan,
check whether one of the selected sats is a geostationary one, e.g.
QO-100, which does not rise and set but? is continously in range.
When I add QO-100 to the 'Selected' list, the Countown window does no
longer sort the sats by their AOS/LOS times (but in alphabetical order).
My friend LX1BB reports the same observation.
73s, Erich, DK1TB
Am 09.08.2019 um 12:03 schrieb Alan Blind via AMSAT-BB:
Umesh
Here is the path the SatPC32 installer defaulted to.? -? :\Program Files
(x86)\SatPC32\SatPC32ISS.exe"
Another observation.? When I use one of the groups included in the
SatPC package, it sorts in the order of AOS.? However, when I customize a
group by adding new Sats, the customized list no longer sorts??
Alan
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 12:09 AM k6vug@?????????.??? <k6vug@?????????.???>
wrote:
> Works fine here,
>
> the only thing I can think of is that, I hope SatPC32 is NOT installed
> under any Windows folders like Program Files 32 or Documents etc.
>
> Umesh
> k6vug
>
>
> On Thursday, August 8, 2019, 10:21:07 AM PDT, Alan Blind via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
>
> New to Satellites and SatPC32.
>
> Question - On the ?CountDown? accessory, there are two buttons for
> sorting
> the list.? I prefer to select ?AOS/LOS Times?.? When I select, the list
> stays in the ?Ident/Letters? order.
>
> What am I doing wrong?
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 10:04:41 -0400
From: Burns Fisher <wb1fj-bb@??????.??>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Latest SpaceX GEO launch cost.
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The $250 million satellite cost in the article INCLUDED getting into
orbit. According to
https://spacenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/spacex-price.gif, the
SpaceX price to GTO was $62Million in 2016, but that still counts as
staggering. Of course this is for a dedicated launch. As a secondary
payload it would be less but still way more than the cost to LEO (which
some might call affordable :-) ) And if you have followed the Virginia
Tech work with AMSAT, there has been an attempt to share a satellite in
geosynchronous orbit, but no luck yet. Most commercial companies are not
too interested in adding risk or mass to their satellites (notice that the
AMOS satellite take up pretty nearly the full mass capability of the Falcon
9 to GEO.
But how about an ARISS ham package on the Lunar Gateway? Now that's going
to be cool, and looks like it could really happen!
73,
Burns WB1FJ
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:51 AM Joe via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> I read that article twice, and I do not see any mention as the cost from
> Space X to put the Sat into orbit. All I see if the cost of the Sat
> only. Nothing about what it cost to get it into orbit.
>
> Joe WB9SBD
> Sig
> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
> Idle Tyme
> Idle-Tyme.com
> http://www.idle-tyme.com
> On 8/9/2019 8:31 AM, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > Just saw this latest effort by SpaceX to launch the Israeli AMOS
> satellite into GEO orbit.
> > The cost is staggering.
> >
> > Maybe we should go with somehow securing transponder bandwidth on
> existing GEO satellites as an alternative ?
> >
> >
>
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spacex-launch-today-live-stream-falcon-9-set-to-l
aunch-israeli-satellite-3-years-after-explosion-destroyed-first-one/
> >
> > Bernard,
> > KC9SGV
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 09:50:00 -0500
From: KC9SGV <kc9sgv@?????.???>
To: Burns Fisher <wb1fj-bb@??????.??>
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Latest SpaceX GEO launch cost.
Message-ID: <D03275CD-B3B9-4C4E-8C71-6F23D1A56FD6@?????.???>
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Hi Burns,
Interesting link !
Certainly way too expensive for a collective of hams to procure.
I was thinking more about existing infrastructure like the old 1970's U.S.
Military coms sats that are now used mostly by Brazilian pirates, it seems.
If us U.S. Hams could be donated some legal bandwidth on these old decaying
GEO sats for legal experimental and Emcomm use in the interim, why not ?
After all, we paid for these with our tax dollars.
Of course the uplink and downlink frequencies would presumably not be in the
existing ham bands.
But Emcomm and emergency use per the FCC could be legal...maybe.
Another tool in our ham toolbox.
Like having old, modified military radios in your ham shack for ham band use.
See those at hamfests, all the time.
Maybe AMSAT NA has pursued this angle already.
Just wondering.
Bernard,
KC9SGV
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 9, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Burns Fisher via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
>
> The $250 million satellite cost in the article INCLUDED getting into
> orbit. According to
> https://spacenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/spacex-price.gif, the
> SpaceX price to GTO was $62Million in 2016, but that still counts as
> staggering. Of course this is for a dedicated launch. As a secondary
> payload it would be less but still way more than the cost to LEO (which
> some might call affordable :-) ) And if you have followed the Virginia
> Tech work with AMSAT, there has been an attempt to share a satellite in
> geosynchronous orbit, but no luck yet. Most commercial companies are not
> too interested in adding risk or mass to their satellites (notice that the
> AMOS satellite take up pretty nearly the full mass capability of the Falcon
> 9 to GEO.
>
> But how about an ARISS ham package on the Lunar Gateway? Now that's going
> to be cool, and looks like it could really happen!
>
> 73,
>
> Burns WB1FJ
>
>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:51 AM Joe via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>>
>> I read that article twice, and I do not see any mention as the cost from
>> Space X to put the Sat into orbit. All I see if the cost of the Sat
>> only. Nothing about what it cost to get it into orbit.
>>
>> Joe WB9SBD
>> Sig
>> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
>> Idle Tyme
>> Idle-Tyme.com
>> http://www.idle-tyme.com
>>> On 8/9/2019 8:31 AM, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> Just saw this latest effort by SpaceX to launch the Israeli AMOS
>> satellite into GEO orbit.
>>> The cost is staggering.
>>>
>>> Maybe we should go with somehow securing transponder bandwidth on
>> existing GEO satellites as an alternative ?
>>>
>>>
>>
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spacex-launch-today-live-stream-falcon-9-set-to-l
aunch-israeli-satellite-3-years-after-explosion-destroyed-first-one/
>>>
>>> Bernard,
>>> KC9SGV
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions expressed
>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> program!
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>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
>> expressed
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>>
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 09:54:29 -0500
From: KC9SGV <kc9sgv@?????.???>
To: Burns Fisher <wb1fj-bb@??????.??>
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Latest SpaceX GEO launch cost.
Message-ID: <A59EF9F4-CE08-41DB-913A-F088090BCB3E@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Lunar Gateway.
What a cool idea.
5 and dime up and down, maybe.
Useable whenever you can see the moon.
Just point and send...
I am all for that.
KC9SGV
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 9, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Burns Fisher via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
>
> The $250 million satellite cost in the article INCLUDED getting into
> orbit. According to
> https://spacenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/spacex-price.gif, the
> SpaceX price to GTO was $62Million in 2016, but that still counts as
> staggering. Of course this is for a dedicated launch. As a secondary
> payload it would be less but still way more than the cost to LEO (which
> some might call affordable :-) ) And if you have followed the Virginia
> Tech work with AMSAT, there has been an attempt to share a satellite in
> geosynchronous orbit, but no luck yet. Most commercial companies are not
> too interested in adding risk or mass to their satellites (notice that the
> AMOS satellite take up pretty nearly the full mass capability of the Falcon
> 9 to GEO.
>
> But how about an ARISS ham package on the Lunar Gateway? Now that's going
> to be cool, and looks like it could really happen!
>
> 73,
>
> Burns WB1FJ
>
>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:51 AM Joe via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>>
>> I read that article twice, and I do not see any mention as the cost from
>> Space X to put the Sat into orbit. All I see if the cost of the Sat
>> only. Nothing about what it cost to get it into orbit.
>>
>> Joe WB9SBD
>> Sig
>> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
>> Idle Tyme
>> Idle-Tyme.com
>> http://www.idle-tyme.com
>>> On 8/9/2019 8:31 AM, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> Just saw this latest effort by SpaceX to launch the Israeli AMOS
>> satellite into GEO orbit.
>>> The cost is staggering.
>>>
>>> Maybe we should go with somehow securing transponder bandwidth on
>> existing GEO satellites as an alternative ?
>>>
>>>
>>
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spacex-launch-today-live-stream-falcon-9-set-to-l
aunch-israeli-satellite-3-years-after-explosion-destroyed-first-one/
>>>
>>> Bernard,
>>> KC9SGV
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions expressed
>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> program!
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>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
>> expressed
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> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 17:14:02 +0200
From: Erich Eichmann <erich.eichmann@????????.??>
To: Alan Blind <wa9wud@?????.???>, AMSAT-BB@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 and Satellites Question
Message-ID: <4180ee7f-a9cd-13f8-1b4b-8d6ef1fd250d@????????.??>
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Alan,
yes, IO-86 causes the problem also here. It has an extremly? low
inclination and will not be audible at your location at all.(the same
here). If one (or more) of the selected sats has no AOS/LOS time because
it is either always (geostationary sats) or never audible the CountDown
window will no sort the sats by AOS/LOS? but only alphabetically.
If you have such situation check the selected satellite one by one - as
you did - and remove the satellite that causes the problem or add it to
another group.
To fix the issure will take a bit more time.
73s, Erich, DK1TB
Am 09.08.2019 um 14:08 schrieb Alan Blind via AMSAT-BB:
> Found it. IO-86 was the problem. I removed IO-86 and the list now sorts
> AOS/LOS.
>
> Alan
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 8:00 AM Alan Blind <wa9wud@?????.???> wrote:
>
>> Interesting....
>>
>> I tried each of the pre-programmed groups to see if each would sort. The
>> groups are standard, FM Repeaters, Linear 1 and Linear 2.
>>
>> All would sort, except for FM Repeaters. FM Repeaters would not sort for
>> AOS/LOS.
>>
>> Sats in the FM group include SO-50, AO-85, AO-91, LILIACAST-2 (not
>> included in my custom list), and IO-86. Could one or more of these Sats be
>> the problem?
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 7:47 AM Alan Blind <wa9wud@?????.???> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Erich. Thanks for the response.
>>>
>>> Here is my custom list. I believe these are all Low Earth Sats..
>>>
>>> AO-07, AO-73, AO-91, AO-92, CAS-4A, CAS-4B, IO-86, SO-50, XW-2A, XW-2B,
>>> XW-2C, XW-2F.
>>>
>>> I believe some may not have complete data sets....could that be causing
>>> the failure to sort? If so, how do I identify the culprit?
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 7:39 AM Erich Eichmann <erich.eichmann@???.??>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Alan,
>>>> check whether one of the selected sats is a geostationary one, e.g.
>>>> QO-100, which does not rise and set but is continously in range.
>>>> When I add QO-100 to the 'Selected' list, the Countown window does no
>>>> longer sort the sats by their AOS/LOS times (but in alphabetical
order). My
>>>> friend LX1BB reports the same observation.
>>>>
>>>> 73s, Erich, DK1TB
>>>>
>>>> Am 09.08.2019 um 12:03 schrieb Alan Blind via AMSAT-BB:
>>>> Umesh
>>>>
>>>> Here is the path the SatPC32 installer defaulted to. - :\Program Files
>>>> (x86)\SatPC32\SatPC32ISS.exe"
>>>>
>>>> Another observation. When I use one of the groups included in the
>>>> SatPC package, it sorts in the order of AOS. However, when I customize
>>>> a
>>>> group by adding new Sats, the customized list no longer sorts??
>>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 12:09 AM k6vug@?????????.???
>>>> <k6vug@?????????.???> <k6vug@?????????.???>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Works fine here,
>>>>
>>>> the only thing I can think of is that, I hope SatPC32 is NOT installed
>>>> under any Windows folders like Program Files 32 or Documents etc.
>>>>
>>>> Umesh
>>>> k6vug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, August 8, 2019, 10:21:07 AM PDT, Alan Blind via AMSAT-BB <
>>>> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> New to Satellites and SatPC32.
>>>>
>>>> Question - On the ?CountDown? accessory, there are two buttons for
>>>> sorting
>>>> the list. I prefer to select ?AOS/LOS Times?. When I select, the list
>>>> stays in the ?Ident/Letters? order.
>>>>
>>>> What am I doing wrong?
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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>>>> expressed
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 10:15:04 -0500
From: Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Latest SpaceX GEO launch cost.
Message-ID: <ce77ab21-fb32-0184-527d-20e138d941d4@?????.???>
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On 2019-08-09 09:04, Burns Fisher via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> The $250 million satellite cost in the article INCLUDED getting into
> orbit.
Looks like we have our price, folks. I'll be the first to chip in $25.
Only $249999975 to go.
:-)
--- Zach
N0ZGO
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2019 12:41:01 -0400
From: John Kludt <johnnykludt@?????.???>
To: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Latest SpaceX GEO launch cost.
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All,
Unless the sat happens to have a amateur radio assignment within it's
bandpass (doubtful) they are of no use to us.?? Why all the tilting at
windmills?
Sancho Panza
Sent from my Verizon Motorola Smartphone
On Aug 9, 2019 09:49, Joe via AMSAT-BB wrote: > > I read that article twice,
and I do not see any mention as the cost from > Space X to put the Sat into
orbit. All I see if the cost of the Sat > only. Nothing about what it cost
to get it into orbit. > > Joe WB9SBD > Sig > The Original Rolling Ball Clock
> Idle Tyme > Idle-Tyme.com > http://www.idle-tyme.com > On 8/9/2019 8:31
AM, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB wrote: > > Hi All, > > Just saw this latest effort
by SpaceX to launch the Israeli AMOS satellite into GEO orbit. > > The cost
is staggering. > > > > Maybe we should go with somehow securing transponder
bandwidth on existing GEO satellites as an alternative ? > > > >
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spacex-launch-today-live-stream-falcon-9-set-to-l
aunch-israeli-satellite-3-years-after-explosion-destroyed-first-one/ > > > >
Bernard, > > KC9SGV > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > >
_______________________________________________ > > Sent via
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 12:51:03 -0400
From: Bill Booth <ve3nxk@?????.???>
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Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Latest SpaceX GEO launch cost.
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On 2019-08-09 10:54 AM, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Useable whenever you can see the moon.
Something like EME is now ??
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 07:02:19 -0500
From: Ryan Butler <rbutler@????.???>
To: amsat-bb <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Latest SpaceX GEO launch cost.
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That was also an expended rocket, mainly due to customer wanting to
preserve more satellite propellant for station keeping in the future. A
payload on a landable F9 is typically cheaper, so I'm not sure much can be
gleaned from that article.
Ryan, NF0T
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:05 AM Burns Fisher via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> The $250 million satellite cost in the article INCLUDED getting into
> orbit. According to
> https://spacenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/spacex-price.gif, the
> SpaceX price to GTO was $62Million in 2016, but that still counts as
> staggering. Of course this is for a dedicated launch. As a secondary
> payload it would be less but still way more than the cost to LEO (which
> some might call affordable :-) ) And if you have followed the Virginia
> Tech work with AMSAT, there has been an attempt to share a satellite in
> geosynchronous orbit, but no luck yet. Most commercial companies are not
> too interested in adding risk or mass to their satellites (notice that the
> AMOS satellite take up pretty nearly the full mass capability of the Falcon
> 9 to GEO.
>
> But how about an ARISS ham package on the Lunar Gateway? Now that's going
> to be cool, and looks like it could really happen!
>
> 73,
>
> Burns WB1FJ
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:51 AM Joe via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> wrote:
>
> > I read that article twice, and I do not see any mention as the cost from
> > Space X to put the Sat into orbit. All I see if the cost of the Sat
> > only. Nothing about what it cost to get it into orbit.
> >
> > Joe WB9SBD
> > Sig
> > The Original Rolling Ball Clock
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> > Idle-Tyme.com
> > http://www.idle-tyme.com
> > On 8/9/2019 8:31 AM, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > > Just saw this latest effort by SpaceX to launch the Israeli AMOS
> > satellite into GEO orbit.
> > > The cost is staggering.
> > >
> > > Maybe we should go with somehow securing transponder bandwidth on
> > existing GEO satellites as an alternative ?
> > >
> > >
> >
>
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spacex-launch-today-live-stream-falcon-9-set-to-l
aunch-israeli-satellite-3-years-after-explosion-destroyed-first-one/
> > >
> > > Bernard,
> > > KC9SGV
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPad
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 23:17:53 +0800
From: Larry Fields <n6hpx1@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] Psat2 sstv
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Can anyone tell me if its active I never catch a signal
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