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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US (John Brier)
2. SDR: Chaos Communication Camp 2019 talk (Zach Metzinger)
3. Re: Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US (Greg D)
4. Re: Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US (Jean Marc Momple)
5. Re: Disaster (sean fay)
6. Re: Disaster (Mike Diehl)
7. Re: ARISS funding (Frank Karnauskas)
8. Re: ARISS funding (John Brier)
9. Re: Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US (Dave)
10. Re: Disaster (John Kludt)
11. Re: Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US (KC9SGV)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 14:21:09 -0400
From: John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???>
To: Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
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On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 1:57 PM Zach Metzinger via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> I do not see that your proposal encourages a new ham to
> build a microwave antenna, develop receivers and transmitters for our
> sparsely-used microwave bands, or debug why they can't hear or be heard
> on an amateur bird.
The downlink might not be on our microwave bands, but it is microwave
and receivable by hams and thus would encourage people to build
microwave antennas.
FWIW I don't think new hams would be served well to try to operate
microwave sats right off the bat unless they have a lot of existing
relevant technical knowledge/skill or at least determination and
patience.
73, John Brier KG4AKV
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 13:49:40 -0500
From: Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@?????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] SDR: Chaos Communication Camp 2019 talk
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The Chaos Communication Camp is currently going on right now in Germany.
There are many fascinating talks, including this one on SDR:
https://media.ccc.de/v/Camp2019-10248-the_limits_of_general_purpose_sdr_device
s
--- Zach
N0ZGO
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 11:52:06 -0700
From: Greg D <ko6th.greg@?????.???>
To: Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@?????.???>
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
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I think a lot of what we (AMSAT-NA) would learn from this has nothing to
do with the specific radio technology, but rather in understanding a bit
more in how to work within the GEO community. This applies even if we
never actually sign an agreement.
The days of just focusing on tinkering on stuff on your workbench are
long gone. The reality is that anything done in space is more in
getting into the right relationships, and navigating the extensive
regulatory landscape, than it is on building the transponder, IHU,
battery management, etc.
Just my $.02...
Greg KO6TH
Zach Metzinger via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> I don't see that the Amateur Radio community learns anything from this
> exercise that couldn't be done with a ground-based system on our own
> bands. There is no Doppler correction to be done, and path loss can be
> simulated with attenuation and/or lower power operation. Most of the
> link is hidden from the operator, and the underlying information
> encoding is ridiculously complex, far more than is required for a KISS
> EMCOMM system.
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 22:56:47 +0400
From: Jean Marc Momple <jean.marc.momple@?????.???>
To: KC9SGV <kc9sgv@?????.???>
Cc: "Peter Goodhall \(2M0SQL\)" <peter@????????.??.??>, AMSAT BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
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Joe,
Further to Bernard mail, I confirm that the GEO bird over Africa is QO-100
(Es?hail2 Qatari satellite Amateur transponders) and with a footprint from
Brazil to Asia, it is quite popular, 3B8FA has already worked out around 60
countries.
In week ends the 250 Khz narrowband transponder (SSB, CW, SSTV etc.) is very
often as busy as 20M in the good days of good sun cycle (not much space
left). On the DATV (WB) transponder it is also a lot of fun and very often
fully occupied.
QO-100 has changed drastically our satellite operation in Region 1, enabled
many experimentations which was not possible before and Hams are now back to
early days ,building or repurposing equipment for same. Just a lot of fun
this side of the world (unfortunately US is out of footprint).
Myself QRV on both the NB and WB (DATV) transponders I have much fun on this
bird and enjoying many experiments.
I just can dream 3 such of GEO?s with interconnection between themselves
providing worldwide coverage to the the HAMs 24/7. A vision that can only be
achieved if one and all contribute a few $ and therefore wish to sell the
idea to the community, AMSAT may coordinate. My humble proposal.
73
Jean Marc (3B8DU)
> On Aug 22, 2019, at 8:57 PM, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> Here is the narrow band WebSDR for QO-100 over Africa.
> Very active with all the latest sound card digital modes.
> From the Goonhilly ground station in England.
>
> We will hopefully have the same type of WebSDR for our 1 MHz bandwidth on
Echostar 9.
>
> https://eshail.batc.org.uk/nb/
>
> Bernard,
> KC9SGV
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Aug 22, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Joe via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>>
>> There is that Geo bird over Africa.
>>
>> I had the URL for a site that lets you listen to the whole bird passband.
>>
>> When it first went up I listened to it a LOT and was amazed at all the
different modes and coverage.
>>
>> But I can't find the URL anymore. I was gonna go and listen to see what
the activity level is now like since it is much older and the newness has
worn off.
>>
>> Joe WB9SBD
>> Sig
>> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
>> Idle Tyme
>> Idle-Tyme.com
>> http://www.idle-tyme.com
>>> On 8/22/2019 10:04 AM, Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL) via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>>> Hi Michelle,
>>>
>>> Excellent that they came back with the price and while the project
>>> sounds potentially interesting it's of course, not an amateur radio
>>> satellite, has anyone considered any risks for example, does this have
>>> the potential to raise questions when AMSAT approaches gov/orgs for
>>> discount launches for satellites we build that they might say that we
>>> could just go rent some transponder space.
>>>
>>> I know in the states disaster comms is a huge point (weirdly not
>>> something that's pushed in Europe), but agencies could already access
>>> this kind of technology just by purchasing sat phones, for example, I
>>> have an iridium unit that lets me make calls and access the internet
>>> although slowly but handy in highlands of Scotland with poor mobile
>>> coverage.
>>>
>>> By the sounds of this, it will be access points that then aggregate
>>> into a central point via probably internet backhaul then its dumped up
>>> to the satellite, to me that doesn't really feel within the ham
>>> spirit, although I'm sure tons would argue :)
>>>
>>> I know there's a big desire for GEO over North America, but do ops
>>> really think this is the ultimate solution? we're talking 96000 USD
>>> over 4 years.
>>>
>>> Think it really requires some heavy thought before just jumping on the
idea.
>>>
>>> Just my thoughts, and I know I'm on the other side of the pond in the
>>> QO-100 footprint.
>>>
>>> Peter, 2M0SQL
>>>
>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 02:36, Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB
>>> <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>>>> An arrangement on Echostar9 for 1MHz of bandwidth for up to 4 years of
>>>> USA+Mexico+Canada coverage is on offer for $2000 a month.
>>>>
>>>> I'm putting together a grant proposal for ARRL, FEMA, and others to pay
for
>>>> at least year of access. I've gotten some positive feedback already. I
>>>> think we can make this happen with some fundraising effort. I'm willing
to
>>>> provide the human resources and whatever incidental financing needs to
>>>> happen to secure a grant for rental.
>>>>
>>>> The main purpose of this type of system would be to enable field
deployment
>>>> of "legacy mode" aggregators, like the Phase 4 Ground ARAP (Amateur Radio
>>>> Access Point). This is where traffic on any ham band, using FM or analog
>>>> gear, is digitized by a local "collecting" repeater, and is then sent
to a
>>>> satellite from that repeater. FEMA and ARRL have expressed a lot of
>>>> interest and support for this in the past. Phase 4 Ground needs an ARAP
in
>>>> order to support legacy radios.
>>>>
>>>> You don't have to personally have a microwave digital uplink. The
>>>> aggregator equipment does that part for you.
>>>>
>>>> This is most useful for public service and emergency communications. A
>>>> communications emergency is declared, someone (FEMA, Red Cross, motivated
>>>> ham volunteer) drops in the aggregator, and all ham traffic it hears is
>>>> sent to the satellite and then transmitted to the entire footprint.
>>>>
>>>> The downlink is 12-14GHz. This is not 10GHz, but is receivable by
>>>> individuals using very inexpensive gear. Traffic can be repeated over the
>>>> internet.
>>>>
>>>> What does this get us?
>>>>
>>>> An opportunity to do all the R&D for the aggregator and get some
experience
>>>> with uplinks.
>>>>
>>>> What do we not have?
>>>>
>>>> A true ham band downlink. You can still receive the downlink yourself, or
>>>> you can get it over the internet from an earth station distributor.
>>>>
>>>> That's where we're at with *this* proposal.
>>>>
>>>> I think it's worth it to provide a US-based way to design, deploy, test,
>>>> and use real world aggregator equipment. We learn a lot about GEO comms
and
>>>> figure out a lot of the ins and outs.
>>>>
>>>> Comment and critique welcome and encouraged.
>>>>
>>>> More soon!
>>>> -Michelle W5NYV
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions expressed
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>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 13:56:56 -0500
From: sean fay <spatrickfay@?????.???>
To: Scott Millick <smillick@??????.???>
Cc: AMSAT -BB <AMSAT-BB@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Disaster
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Then we use terrestrial radio
Sean
AA0AN
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 1:52 PM Scott Millick via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> What happens ift he disaster is the communications sats are destroyed.
> Then what
>
> Scott k9SM
>
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 15:00:12 -0400
From: Mike Diehl <diehl.mike.a@?????.???>
To: Scott Millick <smillick@??????.???>
Cc: AMSAT-BB@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Disaster
Message-ID: <09170F65-F4BA-424F-A785-70455755D0F3@?????.???>
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Then we go back to using smoke signals.
73,
Mike Diehl
W8LID/VE6LID
> On Aug 22, 2019, at 14:53, Scott Millick via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
>
> ?
> What happens ift he disaster is the communications sats are destroyed.
Then what
>
> Scott k9SM
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 14:19:55 -0500
From: "Frank Karnauskas" <n1uw@???????.???>
To: "'Zach Metzinger'" <zmetzing@?????.???>
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ARISS funding
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A fair comment, Zach.
-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???? On Behalf Of Zach
Metzinger via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 12:44 PM
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] ARISS funding
On 2019-08-22 10:58, Frank Karnauskas via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Before anyone writes a check for a rented transponder, please
> consider sending your check to help keep the ARISS Outreach for
> Students program funded.
>
> A total of $150,000 is needed to replace and upgrade the aging
> equipment on the ISS. After eight months, the amateur radio
> community has contributed only $33,000 of which $6,500 came from
> AMSAT-UK and another $6,000 came from AMSAT officers.
Frank-
I suspect that this will generate a plethora of responses, so I've
changed the thread title.
Respectfully, I've considered the use case for ARISS, both now and in
the past, and I don't see a huge value proposition. The equipment
seems
to be rarely used, as evidenced by the crowd-sourced data:
https://www.amsat.org/status/
Even the AMSAT web page lists most of the services as "rarely used":
https://www.amsat.org/amateur-radio-on-the-iss/
It is important to have school outreach and get youngsters introduced
to
the hobby, but it seems that $150k isn't going to work for us 24/7/365
like a repeater or linear transponder. Imagine how cool it would be to
say to students "Yes, we are going to bounce our signals off the ISS.
An
astronaut might also be around to say hello too!" at any time of the
day
or night?
If you told me that ARISS is going to put up a 5G/10G package on the
ISS
and open it up for near-continuous access (subject to power budget),
I'd
be the first to donate. However, if you are asking for a sizeable
chunk
of change that is used sporadically at the whim of whatever astronaut
happens to be there, I can't see myself donating.
How can we get a more usable (and automatic) station on the ISS?
73,
--- Zach
N0ZGO
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 15:39:25 -0400
From: John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???>
To: Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ARISS funding
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The Kenwood radios in the Russian service module are used for school
contacts almost every week. Just check the "Upcoming ARISS Contact
schedule" emails that go to this list.
You are right that, currently, ham equipment is not on and in use on
every orbit, but it used to be. In the Columbus module there is an
Erricson HT that was used for US and other non-Russian school contacts
and also, the 145.825 digipeater. That used to be on whenever there
wasn't a school contact, a docking/undocking, or some experiment that
necessitated it being off. The reason it is listed as "rarely used" is
because it's broken/on the fritz and that is the reason for the money
request! The data you point to is not an indication of lack of usage,
it's a symptom of the problem that keeps it from being used.
The money is needed for a new radio that would allow a similar
situation, a (probably) usually on UHF/VHF crossband voice repeater in
the form of a modified Kenwod TM-D710GA that the astronauts could jump
onto. It will also do digipeating and SSTV.
The "rarely used" at least for the voice frequencies is to keep people
from getting their hopes up to make a random unscheduled contact.
Those are indeed rare, but even with the equipment we have now, it
gets used and it affects thousands of students every year, not to
mention hams. I'm sure someone from ARISS can speak to this, more
accurately and better, than me.
73, John Brier KG4AKV
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 3:03 PM Zach Metzinger via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> On 2019-08-22 10:58, Frank Karnauskas via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > Before anyone writes a check for a rented transponder, please
> > consider sending your check to help keep the ARISS Outreach for
> > Students program funded.
> >
> > A total of $150,000 is needed to replace and upgrade the aging
> > equipment on the ISS. After eight months, the amateur radio
> > community has contributed only $33,000 of which $6,500 came from
> > AMSAT-UK and another $6,000 came from AMSAT officers.
>
> Frank-
>
> I suspect that this will generate a plethora of responses, so I've
> changed the thread title.
>
> Respectfully, I've considered the use case for ARISS, both now and in
> the past, and I don't see a huge value proposition. The equipment seems
> to be rarely used, as evidenced by the crowd-sourced data:
>
> https://www.amsat.org/status/
>
> Even the AMSAT web page lists most of the services as "rarely used":
>
> https://www.amsat.org/amateur-radio-on-the-iss/
>
> It is important to have school outreach and get youngsters introduced to
> the hobby, but it seems that $150k isn't going to work for us 24/7/365
> like a repeater or linear transponder. Imagine how cool it would be to
> say to students "Yes, we are going to bounce our signals off the ISS. An
> astronaut might also be around to say hello too!" at any time of the day
> or night?
>
> If you told me that ARISS is going to put up a 5G/10G package on the ISS
> and open it up for near-continuous access (subject to power budget), I'd
> be the first to donate. However, if you are asking for a sizeable chunk
> of change that is used sporadically at the whim of whatever astronaut
> happens to be there, I can't see myself donating.
>
> How can we get a more usable (and automatic) station on the ISS?
>
> 73,
>
> --- Zach
> N0ZGO
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 15:46:29 -0400
From: Dave <kdcarlso@?????.???>
To: JoAnne K9JKM <joanne.k9jkm@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
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Not to derail the conversation but groups.io is very easy to use. You can
just send and receive email to the group if you don't want to use the web
interface. Searches are so much easier than this archaic list and I would
guess that most hams with any technical interest already belong to at least
one or twenty io or yahoo groups and are familiar with them.
Dave
N2OA
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 12:09 PM JoAnne K9JKM via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> > Grrrr..
> > Replies to the list via email with pictures attached get wiped !
> > We need a modern BB or forum like AMSAT-DL....
>
> A large number of members have previously said they prefer a plain e-mail
> list without the overhead of huge files with JPG attachments or needing to
> figure out how to navigate yet another forum layout. The amsat-bb has 2425
> e-mail addresses on the subscriber list.
>
> Other AMSAT internet venues which allow posting photos include:
>
> AMSAT on Facebook with 3149 group members who can post photos (and 5233
> likes of the page).
>
> AMSAT on Twitter has ~14,600 followers.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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> AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 16:16:27 -0400
From: John Kludt <johnnykludt@?????.???>
To: Scott Millick <smillick@??????.???>
Cc: Amsat BB <AMSAT-BB@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Disaster
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Scott,
Easy - 40m or 80m NVIS and a digital mode probably what we should be
practicing with, anyway.
John
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 2:53 PM Scott Millick via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> What happens ift he disaster is the communications sats are destroyed.
> Then what
>
> Scott k9SM
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 15:32:05 -0500
From: KC9SGV <kc9sgv@?????.???>
To: Dave <kdcarlso@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
Message-ID: <B502AE63-EA26-48A8-8781-BEF303E430E9@?????.???>
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Yup, I agree.
IO Groups.
Like this following group....
Easy attachments, pictures, videos, etc.
Get your point across with images and proof.
"A picture is worth a thousand words."
https://groups.io/g/Winlink
The moderator is a very nice, laid back guy.
Bernard.
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:46 PM, Dave via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> Not to derail the conversation but groups.io is very easy to use. You can
> just send and receive email to the group if you don't want to use the web
> interface. Searches are so much easier than this archaic list and I would
> guess that most hams with any technical interest already belong to at least
> one or twenty io or yahoo groups and are familiar with them.
>
> Dave
> N2OA
>
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 12:09 PM JoAnne K9JKM via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
>>> Grrrr..
>>> Replies to the list via email with pictures attached get wiped !
>>> We need a modern BB or forum like AMSAT-DL....
>>
>> A large number of members have previously said they prefer a plain e-mail
>> list without the overhead of huge files with JPG attachments or needing to
>> figure out how to navigate yet another forum layout. The amsat-bb has 2425
>> e-mail addresses on the subscriber list.
>>
>> Other AMSAT internet venues which allow posting photos include:
>>
>> AMSAT on Facebook with 3149 group members who can post photos (and 5233
>> likes of the page).
>>
>> AMSAT on Twitter has ~14,600 followers.
>>
>>
>>
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