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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US (Bill Gaylord)
2. Re: Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US (Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL))
3. Re: ARISS funding (Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL))
4. Re: ARISS funding (Jerry Buxton)
5. Re: Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US (myles Landstein)
6. Re: Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US (KC9SGV)
7. Re: ARISS funding (Zach Metzinger)
8. Re: Disaster (Glenn Little WB4UIV)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 13:45:17 -0500
From: Bill Gaylord <chibill110@?????.???>
To: KC9SGV <kc9sgv@?????.???>
Cc: "Peter Goodhall \(2M0SQL\)" <peter@????????.??.??>, AMSAT BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
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I personally think that instead of spend money on renting GEO bandwidth a
better idea would be trying to see if any companies going to GEO would be
willing haul up and power a small Amateur Payload. Or even just getting a
highly elliptical orbit on a normal bird. (Which for de-orbiting sails/drags
could be deployed.)
Unless that GEO bandwidth is actually in the Ham bands why bother.
> On Aug 22, 2019, at 11:57 AM, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
>
> Here is the narrow band WebSDR for QO-100 over Africa.
> Very active with all the latest sound card digital modes.
> From the Goonhilly ground station in England.
>
> We will hopefully have the same type of WebSDR for our 1 MHz bandwidth on
Echostar 9.
>
> https://eshail.batc.org.uk/nb/
>
> Bernard,
> KC9SGV
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Aug 22, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Joe via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>>
>> There is that Geo bird over Africa.
>>
>> I had the URL for a site that lets you listen to the whole bird passband.
>>
>> When it first went up I listened to it a LOT and was amazed at all the
different modes and coverage.
>>
>> But I can't find the URL anymore. I was gonna go and listen to see what
the activity level is now like since it is much older and the newness has
worn off.
>>
>> Joe WB9SBD
>> Sig
>> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
>> Idle Tyme
>> Idle-Tyme.com
>> http://www.idle-tyme.com
>>> On 8/22/2019 10:04 AM, Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL) via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>>> Hi Michelle,
>>>
>>> Excellent that they came back with the price and while the project
>>> sounds potentially interesting it's of course, not an amateur radio
>>> satellite, has anyone considered any risks for example, does this have
>>> the potential to raise questions when AMSAT approaches gov/orgs for
>>> discount launches for satellites we build that they might say that we
>>> could just go rent some transponder space.
>>>
>>> I know in the states disaster comms is a huge point (weirdly not
>>> something that's pushed in Europe), but agencies could already access
>>> this kind of technology just by purchasing sat phones, for example, I
>>> have an iridium unit that lets me make calls and access the internet
>>> although slowly but handy in highlands of Scotland with poor mobile
>>> coverage.
>>>
>>> By the sounds of this, it will be access points that then aggregate
>>> into a central point via probably internet backhaul then its dumped up
>>> to the satellite, to me that doesn't really feel within the ham
>>> spirit, although I'm sure tons would argue :)
>>>
>>> I know there's a big desire for GEO over North America, but do ops
>>> really think this is the ultimate solution? we're talking 96000 USD
>>> over 4 years.
>>>
>>> Think it really requires some heavy thought before just jumping on the
idea.
>>>
>>> Just my thoughts, and I know I'm on the other side of the pond in the
>>> QO-100 footprint.
>>>
>>> Peter, 2M0SQL
>>>
>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 02:36, Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB
>>> <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>>>> An arrangement on Echostar9 for 1MHz of bandwidth for up to 4 years of
>>>> USA+Mexico+Canada coverage is on offer for $2000 a month.
>>>>
>>>> I'm putting together a grant proposal for ARRL, FEMA, and others to pay
for
>>>> at least year of access. I've gotten some positive feedback already. I
>>>> think we can make this happen with some fundraising effort. I'm willing
to
>>>> provide the human resources and whatever incidental financing needs to
>>>> happen to secure a grant for rental.
>>>>
>>>> The main purpose of this type of system would be to enable field
deployment
>>>> of "legacy mode" aggregators, like the Phase 4 Ground ARAP (Amateur Radio
>>>> Access Point). This is where traffic on any ham band, using FM or analog
>>>> gear, is digitized by a local "collecting" repeater, and is then sent
to a
>>>> satellite from that repeater. FEMA and ARRL have expressed a lot of
>>>> interest and support for this in the past. Phase 4 Ground needs an ARAP
in
>>>> order to support legacy radios.
>>>>
>>>> You don't have to personally have a microwave digital uplink. The
>>>> aggregator equipment does that part for you.
>>>>
>>>> This is most useful for public service and emergency communications. A
>>>> communications emergency is declared, someone (FEMA, Red Cross, motivated
>>>> ham volunteer) drops in the aggregator, and all ham traffic it hears is
>>>> sent to the satellite and then transmitted to the entire footprint.
>>>>
>>>> The downlink is 12-14GHz. This is not 10GHz, but is receivable by
>>>> individuals using very inexpensive gear. Traffic can be repeated over the
>>>> internet.
>>>>
>>>> What does this get us?
>>>>
>>>> An opportunity to do all the R&D for the aggregator and get some
experience
>>>> with uplinks.
>>>>
>>>> What do we not have?
>>>>
>>>> A true ham band downlink. You can still receive the downlink yourself, or
>>>> you can get it over the internet from an earth station distributor.
>>>>
>>>> That's where we're at with *this* proposal.
>>>>
>>>> I think it's worth it to provide a US-based way to design, deploy, test,
>>>> and use real world aggregator equipment. We learn a lot about GEO comms
and
>>>> figure out a lot of the ins and outs.
>>>>
>>>> Comment and critique welcome and encouraged.
>>>>
>>>> More soon!
>>>> -Michelle W5NYV
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions expressed
>>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
of AMSAT-NA.
>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
program!
>>>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions expressed
>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 21:41:36 +0100
From: "Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL)" <peter@????????.??.??>
To: KC9SGV <kc9sgv@?????.???>
Cc: Amsat <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
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Not quite sure how discussing how the newsgroups is run is relevant to the
thread.
I'm personally a fan of pain text emails which no attachments more so as I
don't have to worry about infected files, I'm not on 10+ newsgroups I'm on
3 they are all run by the group's independent of third parties.
This suits most of the content posted. images could easily be shared by the
likes of OneDrive, Dropbox etc.
On Thu, 22 Aug 2019, 21:34 KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB, <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Yup, I agree.
> IO Groups.
> Like this following group....
> Easy attachments, pictures, videos, etc.
> Get your point across with images and proof.
> "A picture is worth a thousand words."
> https://groups.io/g/Winlink
> The moderator is a very nice, laid back guy.
>
> Bernard.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:46 PM, Dave via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> wrote:
> >
> > Not to derail the conversation but groups.io is very easy to use. You
> can
> > just send and receive email to the group if you don't want to use the web
> > interface. Searches are so much easier than this archaic list and I would
> > guess that most hams with any technical interest already belong to at
> least
> > one or twenty io or yahoo groups and are familiar with them.
> >
> > Dave
> > N2OA
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 12:09 PM JoAnne K9JKM via AMSAT-BB <
> > amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> >
> >>> Grrrr..
> >>> Replies to the list via email with pictures attached get wiped !
> >>> We need a modern BB or forum like AMSAT-DL....
> >>
> >> A large number of members have previously said they prefer a plain
> e-mail
> >> list without the overhead of huge files with JPG attachments or needing
> to
> >> figure out how to navigate yet another forum layout. The amsat-bb has
> 2425
> >> e-mail addresses on the subscriber list.
> >>
> >> Other AMSAT internet venues which allow posting photos include:
> >>
> >> AMSAT on Facebook with 3149 group members who can post photos (and 5233
> >> likes of the page).
> >>
> >> AMSAT on Twitter has ~14,600 followers.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> >> expressed
> >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> >> AMSAT-NA.
> >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> >> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 21:46:41 +0100
From: "Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL)" <peter@????????.??.??>
To: Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@?????.???>
Cc: Amsat <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ARISS funding
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Zach,
I'm not sure how active you are, but there's a reason for the AMSAT Status
page showing limited things from the ISS that is equipment is needing
replacement.
Todo this of course requires money.
It's easy to look at the status and fire off an email saying what's the
point but sometimes worth checking the facts.
73,
Peter, 2M0SQL
On Thu, 22 Aug 2019, 20:02 Zach Metzinger via AMSAT-BB, <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> On 2019-08-22 10:58, Frank Karnauskas via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > Before anyone writes a check for a rented transponder, please
> > consider sending your check to help keep the ARISS Outreach for
> > Students program funded.
> >
> > A total of $150,000 is needed to replace and upgrade the aging
> > equipment on the ISS. After eight months, the amateur radio
> > community has contributed only $33,000 of which $6,500 came from
> > AMSAT-UK and another $6,000 came from AMSAT officers.
>
> Frank-
>
> I suspect that this will generate a plethora of responses, so I've
> changed the thread title.
>
> Respectfully, I've considered the use case for ARISS, both now and in
> the past, and I don't see a huge value proposition. The equipment seems
> to be rarely used, as evidenced by the crowd-sourced data:
>
> https://www.amsat.org/status/
>
> Even the AMSAT web page lists most of the services as "rarely used":
>
> https://www.amsat.org/amateur-radio-on-the-iss/
>
> It is important to have school outreach and get youngsters introduced to
> the hobby, but it seems that $150k isn't going to work for us 24/7/365
> like a repeater or linear transponder. Imagine how cool it would be to
> say to students "Yes, we are going to bounce our signals off the ISS. An
> astronaut might also be around to say hello too!" at any time of the day
> or night?
>
> If you told me that ARISS is going to put up a 5G/10G package on the ISS
> and open it up for near-continuous access (subject to power budget), I'd
> be the first to donate. However, if you are asking for a sizeable chunk
> of change that is used sporadically at the whim of whatever astronaut
> happens to be there, I can't see myself donating.
>
> How can we get a more usable (and automatic) station on the ISS?
>
> 73,
>
> --- Zach
> N0ZGO
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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>
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 15:53:03 -0500
From: Jerry Buxton <n0jy@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ARISS funding
Message-ID: <d89aadad-c784-1889-78ec-a88f8c34cc16@?????.???>
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Hi Zach,
ARISS is of course, a distinct and separate organization from AMSAT, an
international organization.? AMSAT provides major support for ARISS both
financial and engineering/hardware.? The latter is a substantial
contribution that, just as with any of the satellites we build, amounts
to an equivalent sum of money that is probably greater than the
financial support we give.? A lot of money is saved in the design and
testing/qualification of hardware, since it's done for "free".
The purpose of ARISS (Frank B. please stomp this if I am wrong) is about
amateur radio support for ISS, which is primarily educational outreach
just as that is one of the leading goals for gaining a launch of a
CubeSat, and to provide backup communications for ISS just as we do with
amateur radio public service on the ground.? The opportunity for extras
such as packet, repeaters, and QSOs with astronauts is achieved through
the relationship ARISS and AMSAT have with NASA and the work done by
volunteers to gain the extra antennas and hardware to have opportunities
for the extras.
The Lunar Gateway project that ARISS is pursuing right now along with
AMSAT worldwide is an example of the growth of these relationships, and
we are working on designs to provide a lot of opportunities beyond what
is on ISS and with much more availability.? That is a humongous step in
the direction of "hosted payloads" (I guess I could use "giant leap")
and will provide much more daily plain old amateur radio access.
ARISS and ISS are "old" and we are blessed to have the opportunity we
have with ISS.? It grew from SAREX and at the current state of design of
the also "old" ISS when the plans were incorporated, it was a big gain
in access to space.?
What is there now is not and will probably never be made into a
Fox/GOLF/HEO/GEO type of amateur radio platform, and the intent with
ARISS fundraising is solely for the activities for which the partnership
came to be.? Supporting ARISS is not the same as supporting GOLF or
rent-a-GEO nor the same as funds that will be solicited for amateur
radio on the Lunar Gateway.? I donate to ARISS along with many other
AMSAT members and officers not in hopes of it becoming more useful as a
satellite so to speak, but for the educational outreach of amateur radio
in space and the unique and obvious ADVERTISEMENT of amateur radio that
comes with the school contacts.? Please don't confuse or commingle
discussions of ARISS fundraising with AMSAT fundraising and the
proliferation of ham radio in space.
Thanks.
Jerry Buxton, N?JY
On 8/22/2019 12:43, Zach Metzinger via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> On 2019-08-22 10:58, Frank Karnauskas via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>> Before anyone writes a check for a rented transponder, please
>> consider sending your check to help keep the ARISS Outreach for
>> Students program funded.
>>
>> A total of $150,000 is needed to replace and upgrade the aging
>> equipment on the ISS.? After eight months, the amateur radio
>> community has contributed only $33,000 of which $6,500 came from
>> AMSAT-UK and another $6,000 came from AMSAT officers.
>
> Frank-
>
> I suspect that this will generate a plethora of responses, so I've
> changed the thread title.
>
> Respectfully, I've considered the use case for ARISS, both now and in
> the past, and I don't see a huge value proposition. The equipment
> seems to be rarely used, as evidenced by the crowd-sourced data:
>
> https://www.amsat.org/status/
>
> Even the AMSAT web page lists most of the services as "rarely used":
>
> https://www.amsat.org/amateur-radio-on-the-iss/
>
> It is important to have school outreach and get youngsters introduced
> to the hobby, but it seems that $150k isn't going to work for us
> 24/7/365 like a repeater or linear transponder. Imagine how cool it
> would be to say to students "Yes, we are going to bounce our signals
> off the ISS. An astronaut might also be around to say hello too!" at
> any time of the day or night?
>
> If you told me that ARISS is going to put up a 5G/10G package on the
> ISS and open it up for near-continuous access (subject to power
> budget), I'd be the first to donate. However, if you are asking for a
> sizeable chunk of change that is used sporadically at the whim of
> whatever astronaut happens to be there, I can't see myself donating.
>
> How can we get a more usable (and automatic) station on the ISS?
>
> 73,
>
> --- Zach
> N0ZGO
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 16:58:12 -0400
From: myles Landstein <myles.landstein@?????.???>
To: peter@??????.???? "Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL)" <peter@????????.??.??>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
Message-ID: <304E7D76-D45F-418B-95A9-B601D2521821@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
I?ve noticed that SAT phones, are typically even worse then regular phones
(cellular/pots) etc?. they have even less capacity, and all above usually
are at best overloaded, or are not functional due to ?the emergency?? not
all (but some are) sat providers have good up/downlink stations
just food for thought, that said I wouldn?t tell a police office not to buy
a sat phone, but i wouldn?t rely on it too much for the really big diasters.
myles Landstein
myles.landstein@?????.???
> On Aug 22, 2019, at 11:04 AM, Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL) via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> Hi Michelle,
>
> Excellent that they came back with the price and while the project
> sounds potentially interesting it's of course, not an amateur radio
> satellite, has anyone considered any risks for example, does this have
> the potential to raise questions when AMSAT approaches gov/orgs for
> discount launches for satellites we build that they might say that we
> could just go rent some transponder space.
>
> I know in the states disaster comms is a huge point (weirdly not
> something that's pushed in Europe), but agencies could already access
> this kind of technology just by purchasing sat phones, for example, I
> have an iridium unit that lets me make calls and access the internet
> although slowly but handy in highlands of Scotland with poor mobile
> coverage.
>
> By the sounds of this, it will be access points that then aggregate
> into a central point via probably internet backhaul then its dumped up
> to the satellite, to me that doesn't really feel within the ham
> spirit, although I'm sure tons would argue :)
>
> I know there's a big desire for GEO over North America, but do ops
> really think this is the ultimate solution? we're talking 96000 USD
> over 4 years.
>
> Think it really requires some heavy thought before just jumping on the idea.
>
> Just my thoughts, and I know I'm on the other side of the pond in the
> QO-100 footprint.
>
> Peter, 2M0SQL
>
> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 02:36, Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB
> <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>>
>> An arrangement on Echostar9 for 1MHz of bandwidth for up to 4 years of
>> USA+Mexico+Canada coverage is on offer for $2000 a month.
>>
>> I'm putting together a grant proposal for ARRL, FEMA, and others to pay for
>> at least year of access. I've gotten some positive feedback already. I
>> think we can make this happen with some fundraising effort. I'm willing to
>> provide the human resources and whatever incidental financing needs to
>> happen to secure a grant for rental.
>>
>> The main purpose of this type of system would be to enable field deployment
>> of "legacy mode" aggregators, like the Phase 4 Ground ARAP (Amateur Radio
>> Access Point). This is where traffic on any ham band, using FM or analog
>> gear, is digitized by a local "collecting" repeater, and is then sent to a
>> satellite from that repeater. FEMA and ARRL have expressed a lot of
>> interest and support for this in the past. Phase 4 Ground needs an ARAP in
>> order to support legacy radios.
>>
>> You don't have to personally have a microwave digital uplink. The
>> aggregator equipment does that part for you.
>>
>> This is most useful for public service and emergency communications. A
>> communications emergency is declared, someone (FEMA, Red Cross, motivated
>> ham volunteer) drops in the aggregator, and all ham traffic it hears is
>> sent to the satellite and then transmitted to the entire footprint.
>>
>> The downlink is 12-14GHz. This is not 10GHz, but is receivable by
>> individuals using very inexpensive gear. Traffic can be repeated over the
>> internet.
>>
>> What does this get us?
>>
>> An opportunity to do all the R&D for the aggregator and get some experience
>> with uplinks.
>>
>> What do we not have?
>>
>> A true ham band downlink. You can still receive the downlink yourself, or
>> you can get it over the internet from an earth station distributor.
>>
>> That's where we're at with *this* proposal.
>>
>> I think it's worth it to provide a US-based way to design, deploy, test,
>> and use real world aggregator equipment. We learn a lot about GEO comms and
>> figure out a lot of the ins and outs.
>>
>> Comment and critique welcome and encouraged.
>>
>> More soon!
>> -Michelle W5NYV
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 16:03:22 -0500
From: KC9SGV <kc9sgv@?????.???>
To: peter@??????.???
Cc: Amsat <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
Message-ID: <72A2E08B-1D04-4F11-940C-D07995E8C92C@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
A modern, user friendly newsgroup is relevant here, as we start building new
dish antennas, COTS 12GHz downlink receivers, etc.
See the nice, modern AMSAT-DL forum.
So much easier to share knowledge with images, videos and easy searches.
I understand this AMSAT BB was probably created way back when in the 1970's
or earlier.
It shows.
But I understand that "it was always like this."
Having to put up links to pictures, is archaic.
I used to host all my pictures on Photobucket for free, and link to them.
Now, I cannot access them unless I pay. (New management, I guess.)
So, I lost interest, and the password....
KC9SGV
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 22, 2019, at 3:41 PM, Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL)
<peter@????????.??.??> wrote:
>
> Not quite sure how discussing how the newsgroups is run is relevant to the
thread.
>
> I'm personally a fan of pain text emails which no attachments more so as I
don't have to worry about infected files, I'm not on 10+ newsgroups I'm on 3
they are all run by the group's independent of third parties.
>
> This suits most of the content posted. images could easily be shared by
the likes of OneDrive, Dropbox etc.
>
>
>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019, 21:34 KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB, <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>> Yup, I agree.
>> IO Groups.
>> Like this following group....
>> Easy attachments, pictures, videos, etc.
>> Get your point across with images and proof.
>> "A picture is worth a thousand words."
>> https://groups.io/g/Winlink
>> The moderator is a very nice, laid back guy.
>>
>> Bernard.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> > On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:46 PM, Dave via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
>> >
>> > Not to derail the conversation but groups.io is very easy to use. You can
>> > just send and receive email to the group if you don't want to use the web
>> > interface. Searches are so much easier than this archaic list and I would
>> > guess that most hams with any technical interest already belong to at
least
>> > one or twenty io or yahoo groups and are familiar with them.
>> >
>> > Dave
>> > N2OA
>> >
>> > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 12:09 PM JoAnne K9JKM via AMSAT-BB <
>> > amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>> >
>> >>> Grrrr..
>> >>> Replies to the list via email with pictures attached get wiped !
>> >>> We need a modern BB or forum like AMSAT-DL....
>> >>
>> >> A large number of members have previously said they prefer a plain
e-mail
>> >> list without the overhead of huge files with JPG attachments or
needing to
>> >> figure out how to navigate yet another forum layout. The amsat-bb has
2425
>> >> e-mail addresses on the subscriber list.
>> >>
>> >> Other AMSAT internet venues which allow posting photos include:
>> >>
>> >> AMSAT on Facebook with 3149 group members who can post photos (and 5233
>> >> likes of the page).
>> >>
>> >> AMSAT on Twitter has ~14,600 followers.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 16:10:17 -0500
From: Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@?????.???>
To: Amsat <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ARISS funding
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On 2019-08-22 15:46, Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL) wrote:
> It's easy to look at the status and fire off an email saying what's the
> point but sometimes worth checking the facts.
Hello Peter,
I've listened, live, to Frank et. al. give presentations at the last few
Symposiums and am fairly familiar with the ARISS operational situation.
Yes, equipment breaks, even more so in space. ISS-rated equipment seems
to cost a lot to certify, and I'm wondering; if, while they're at it,
ARISS might go a little further and consider something that provides
near 24/7/365 use for the amateur community, irrespective of the
astronaut's busy schedules.
Perhaps we could share designs from the Fox/GOLF program and bolt a 1U
cube to the outside of the ISS somewhere to provide this feature,
without much incremental cost?
I don't feel bad "firing off an email" when the requested amount is in
the six figure range...
73,
--- Zach
N0ZGO
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 17:14:42 -0400
From: Glenn Little WB4UIV <glennmaillist@?????????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Disaster
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For a disaster, we should use the KISS principle.
High Tech toys have no place in a disaster.
A radio without a processor is best.
The radio MUST be reliable and simple to use.
It is no good if the inexperienced operator gets into the 500th layer in
the menu and sets something wrong.
Glenn
WB4UIV
Still using a KWM2 and a TS-520.
On 8/22/2019 4:16 PM, John Kludt via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Scott,
>
> Easy - 40m or 80m NVIS and a digital mode probably what we should be
> practicing with, anyway.
>
> John
>
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 2:53 PM Scott Millick via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
>> What happens ift he disaster is the communications sats are destroyed.
>> Then what
>>
>> Scott k9SM
>>
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