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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: SATPC32 >12 sats (aj9n)
   2. Re: SATPC32 >12 sats (aj9n)
   3. Re: SATPC32 >12 sats (Kevin)
   4. Preamp source (Jim White)
   5. Re: Preamp source (n4csitwo@?????????.????
   6. Re: SATPC32 >12 sats (Keith E. Brandt, WD9GET)
   7. Re: Preamp source (Mike Seguin)
   8. Re: Preamp source (Mark D. Johns)
   9. Re: Preamp source (Zach Metzinger)
  10. Re: SATPC32 >12 sats (aj9n)
  11. Re: SATPC32 >12 sats (aj9n)
  12. Re: Preamp source (Roger - W7TZ)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 15:09:10 -0500
From: aj9n <aj9n@???.???>
To: John Kludt <johnnykludt@?????.???>, "Keith E. Brandt, WD9GET"
<wd9get@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SATPC32 >12 sats
Message-ID: <20191107200928.76F3E7FC2@??????????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

There is a newer version of 12.8d that is available.? I don't why the
version number wasn't changed.? The newer one goes beyond A to L.73,Charlie
AJ9NSent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S8.
-------- Original message --------From: John Kludt via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> Date: 11/7/19  2:33 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: "Keith E.
Brandt, WD9GET" <wd9get@?????.???> Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???> Subject:
Re: [amsat-bb] SATPC32 >12 sats Keith,Look at your version.? The current
version is v12.8d and it has a lot ofneat features.? Unless you have
upgraded you may be on an earlier version.JohnOn Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 2:16 PM
Keith E. Brandt, WD9GET via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:>? I noticed
at our club station that SATPC32 has the capability of> displaying >12
satellites and the list (A - whatever) is along the bottom.> However, my
load of the program at home still has only 12 (A - L) with the> letter
designation in the lower right corner. Both systems are running> 12.8d.>
Does anyone have any insight as to why mine is limiting the number of sats?>
Is there a setting hidden somewhere, is it a newer build, or do I need to>
wipe and re-install?>> 73, Keith>> Keith E Brandt, W
 D9GET> *This message transmitted with 100% recycled DHMO-free electrons>
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 15:09:10 -0500
From: aj9n <aj9n@???.???>
To: John Kludt <johnnykludt@?????.???>, "Keith E. Brandt, WD9GET"
<wd9get@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SATPC32 >12 sats
Message-ID: <20191107200929.08A7B869A@??????????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

There is a newer version of 12.8d that is available.? I don't why the
version number wasn't changed.? The newer one goes beyond A to L.73,Charlie
AJ9NSent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S8.
-------- Original message --------From: John Kludt via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> Date: 11/7/19  2:33 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: "Keith E.
Brandt, WD9GET" <wd9get@?????.???> Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???> Subject:
Re: [amsat-bb] SATPC32 >12 sats Keith,Look at your version.? The current
version is v12.8d and it has a lot ofneat features.? Unless you have
upgraded you may be on an earlier version.JohnOn Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 2:16 PM
Keith E. Brandt, WD9GET via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:>? I noticed
at our club station that SATPC32 has the capability of> displaying >12
satellites and the list (A - whatever) is along the bottom.> However, my
load of the program at home still has only 12 (A - L) with the> letter
designation in the lower right corner. Both systems are running> 12.8d.>
Does anyone have any insight as to why mine is limiting the number of sats?>
Is there a setting hidden somewhere, is it a newer build, or do I need to>
wipe and re-install?>> 73, Keith>> Keith E Brandt, W
 D9GET> *This message transmitted with 100% recycled DHMO-free electrons>
xb> _______________________________________________> Sent via
AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available> to all
interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions>
expressed> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
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satellite program!> Subscription settings:
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 12:47:00 -0800
From: Kevin <wa7fwf@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SATPC32 >12 sats
Message-ID: <b9e86e91-cbf6-b55a-fd7f-806adbc8b8c1@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

FYI
 ? Mine goes to X

wa7fwf

On 11/7/2019 12:09, aj9n via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> There is a newer version of 12.8d that is available.? I don't why the
version number wasn't changed.? The newer one goes beyond A to L


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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 14:02:30 -0700
From: Jim White <jim@?????????????????.???>
To: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Preamp source
Message-ID:
<c8117a55-5269-8055-9e1e-cd4f6f9d4741@?????????????????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

My 22 year old Landwehr VHF preamp finally gave it up.

I'd appreciate leads on high quality mast mounted preamps for VHF.? AR2
doesn't answer their phone and some uni's I work with say it takes days
to get a call back then AR2 didn't have the one they wanted and said
they would not be making any more.? And SSB USA's recording says they
are only available sporadically.? Looks like I can order direct from SSB
in Germany so that's an option.

Are there any low noise RF switched manufacturers/vendors in the U.S.
these days? Where are folks getting preamps these days?

Jim



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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 16:09:19 -0500
From: <n4csitwo@?????????.???>
To: "Jim White" <jim@?????????????????.???>,	"AMSAT-BB"
<amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Preamp source
Message-ID: <E29EA00A5B974B2CAB4EFBA7A73215AB@???>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";
reply-type=response

I find myself in the same boat! I've always depended on ARR for preamps, but
they told me material cost to build the units will run the price up too
much, so they decided to stop making the 2 M preamp I need.
Here is one you might want to look into Jim. I've only used Mirage for their
pw amps in the past, but have been fairly satisfied with their product and
repair service.
https://www.mirageamp.com/Product.php?productid=KP-2/2M

Dave, AA4KN



----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim White via AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb@?????.???>
To: "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2019 4:02 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Preamp source


> My 22 year old Landwehr VHF preamp finally gave it up.
>
> I'd appreciate leads on high quality mast mounted preamps for VHF. AR2
> doesn't answer their phone and some uni's I work with say it takes days to
> get a call back then AR2 didn't have the one they wanted and said they
> would not be making any more. And SSB USA's recording says they are only
> available sporadically. Looks like I can order direct from SSB in Germany
> so that's an option.
>
> Are there any low noise RF switched manufacturers/vendors in the U.S.
> these days? Where are folks getting preamps these days?
>
> Jim
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 15:09:43 -0600
From: "Keith E. Brandt, WD9GET" <wd9get@?????.???>
To: aj9n <aj9n@???.???>, John Kludt <johnnykludt@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SATPC32 >12 sats
Message-ID: <1a62ffdb-4b63-74f1-e07a-e4ec28523b9c@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

On 07-Nov-19 14:09, aj9n wrote:
> There is a newer version of 12.8d that is available.? I don't why the
> version number wasn't changed.? The newer one goes beyond A to L.
>
> 73,
> Charlie AJ9N
>

That did the trick. Seems weird that the version number didn't increment
with the new feature release.

Anything else fun that was updated at the same time as increasing the
number of sats?

--
Keith E Brandt, WD9GET

*This message transmitted with 100% recycled DHMO-free electrons

xb


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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 16:18:28 -0500
From: Mike Seguin <n1jez@?????????????????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Preamp source
Message-ID:
<5e7c1812-a435-9af4-2f53-8e2524c58065@?????????????????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

You might check out SHF Elektronic

http://www.shf-elektronik.de/en/

I use their 903 and 2304 preamps. Work well and a lot of options.

Mike

On 11/7/2019 4:02 PM, Jim White via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> My 22 year old Landwehr VHF preamp finally gave it up.
>
> I'd appreciate leads on high quality mast mounted preamps for VHF.? AR2
> doesn't answer their phone and some uni's I work with say it takes days
> to get a call back then AR2 didn't have the one they wanted and said
> they would not be making any more.? And SSB USA's recording says they
> are only available sporadically.? Looks like I can order direct from SSB
> in Germany so that's an option.
>
> Are there any low noise RF switched manufacturers/vendors in the U.S.
> these days? Where are folks getting preamps these days?
>
> Jim
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

--

73,
Mike, N1JEZ
"A closed mouth gathers no feet"


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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 15:16:09 -0600
From: "Mark D. Johns" <mjohns+K0JM@??????.???>
To: n4csitwo@?????????.???
Cc: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Preamp source
Message-ID:
<CAHKCqnB7LjrfrbRS_ZoiFi7nc8biARYgcnpqvtStxOoFxp7Z4g@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Not U.S., but much more reasonably priced than some of the others, and
I've been very pleased with the "Mini" pre-amps from their catalog:
http://www.shf-elektronik.de/en/index.htm
--
Mark D. Johns
K?JM / M?GZO / ex-9H3DJ / ex-K?MDJ
AMSAT Ambassador & News Service Editor
Brooklyn Park, MN USA   EN35hd
-----------------------------------------------
"Heaven goes by favor; if it went by merit,
   you would stay out and your dog would go in."
    ---Mark Twain

On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 3:10 PM n4csitwo--- via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> I find myself in the same boat! I've always depended on ARR for preamps, but
> they told me material cost to build the units will run the price up too
> much, so they decided to stop making the 2 M preamp I need.
> Here is one you might want to look into Jim. I've only used Mirage for their
> pw amps in the past, but have been fairly satisfied with their product and
> repair service.
> https://www.mirageamp.com/Product.php?productid=KP-2/2M
>
> Dave, AA4KN
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim White via AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> To: "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2019 4:02 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Preamp source
>
>
> > My 22 year old Landwehr VHF preamp finally gave it up.
> >
> > I'd appreciate leads on high quality mast mounted preamps for VHF. AR2
> > doesn't answer their phone and some uni's I work with say it takes days to
> > get a call back then AR2 didn't have the one they wanted and said they
> > would not be making any more. And SSB USA's recording says they are only
> > available sporadically. Looks like I can order direct from SSB in Germany
> > so that's an option.
> >
> > Are there any low noise RF switched manufacturers/vendors in the U.S.
> > these days? Where are folks getting preamps these days?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 15:16:48 -0600
From: Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Preamp source
Message-ID: <06fbd2e4-a29b-09d7-18ee-3ad0d893b841@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

On 2019-11-07 15:02, Jim White via AMSAT-BB wrote:

> Are there any low noise RF switched manufacturers/vendors in the U.S.
> these days? Where are folks getting preamps these days?

This one looks like a good design:

https://vhfdesign.com/lna/lna-rf-vox-pga-103-series.html

One could almost build one's own board from the pictures off the website.

--- Zach
N0ZGO


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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 16:33:25 -0500
From: aj9n <aj9n@???.???>
To: "Keith E. Brandt, WD9GET" <wd9get@?????.???>, John Kludt
<johnnykludt@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SATPC32 >12 sats
Message-ID: <20191107213532.A15088B30@??????????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

I think a radio got added but I am not sure about that.? Glad you are up and
running.73,Charlie AJ9NSent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S8.
-------- Original message --------From: "Keith E. Brandt, WD9GET"
<wd9get@?????.???> Date: 11/7/19  4:09 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: aj9n
<aj9n@???.???>, John Kludt <johnnykludt@?????.???> Cc: AMSAT
<amsat-bb@?????.???> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SATPC32 >12 sats
    On 07-Nov-19 14:09, aj9n wrote:



      There is a newer version of 12.8d that is
        available.? I don't why the version number wasn't changed.? The
        newer one goes beyond A to L.


      73,
      Charlie AJ9N




    That did the trick. Seems weird that the version number didn't
    increment with the new feature release.

    Anything else fun that was updated at the same time as increasing
    the number of sats?

    --

              Keith E Brandt, WD9GET

      *This message transmitted with 100% recycled
          DHMO-free electrons

          xb





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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 16:33:25 -0500
From: aj9n <aj9n@???.???>
To: "Keith E. Brandt, WD9GET" <wd9get@?????.???>, John Kludt
<johnnykludt@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SATPC32 >12 sats
Message-ID: <20191107213534.301618B47@??????????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

I think a radio got added but I am not sure about that.? Glad you are up and
running.73,Charlie AJ9NSent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S8.
-------- Original message --------From: "Keith E. Brandt, WD9GET"
<wd9get@?????.???> Date: 11/7/19  4:09 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: aj9n
<aj9n@???.???>, John Kludt <johnnykludt@?????.???> Cc: AMSAT
<amsat-bb@?????.???> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SATPC32 >12 sats
    On 07-Nov-19 14:09, aj9n wrote:



      There is a newer version of 12.8d that is
        available.? I don't why the version number wasn't changed.? The
        newer one goes beyond A to L.


      73,
      Charlie AJ9N




    That did the trick. Seems weird that the version number didn't
    increment with the new feature release.

    Anything else fun that was updated at the same time as increasing
    the number of sats?

    --

              Keith E Brandt, WD9GET

      *This message transmitted with 100% recycled
          DHMO-free electrons

          xb





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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 13:34:19 -0800
From: Roger - W7TZ <ai7rogerroger@?????.???>
To: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Preamp source
Message-ID:
<CAEahN0JEia4Uh1ENQf56igq6inX+kVMD72QsE9-PO6EKPRpQ9g@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

I made this offer to Jim, so he has first option.
I have both a ARR144vdg and 432vdg in excellent condition excess to my
needs. I'd prefer to sell the pair $250 shipped conus. Pic's available on
request. Paypal preferred.

73, Roger
W7TZ
CN83ia
Grid Busters
w7tz.webs.com


On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 1:27 PM Mark D. Johns via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:

> Not U.S., but much more reasonably priced than some of the others, and
> I've been very pleased with the "Mini" pre-amps from their catalog:
> http://www.shf-elektronik.de/en/index.htm
> --
> Mark D. Johns
> K?JM / M?GZO / ex-9H3DJ / ex-K?MDJ
> AMSAT Ambassador & News Service Editor
> Brooklyn Park, MN USA   EN35hd
> -----------------------------------------------
> "Heaven goes by favor; if it went by merit,
>    you would stay out and your dog would go in."
>     ---Mark Twain
>
> On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 3:10 PM n4csitwo--- via AMSAT-BB
> <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> >
> > I find myself in the same boat! I've always depended on ARR for preamps,
> but
> > they told me material cost to build the units will run the price up too
> > much, so they decided to stop making the 2 M preamp I need.
> > Here is one you might want to look into Jim. I've only used Mirage for
> their
> > pw amps in the past, but have been fairly satisfied with their product
> and
> > repair service.
> > https://www.mirageamp.com/Product.php?productid=KP-2/2M
> >
> > Dave, AA4KN
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim White via AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> > To: "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2019 4:02 PM
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Preamp source
> >
> >
> > > My 22 year old Landwehr VHF preamp finally gave it up.
> > >
> > > I'd appreciate leads on high quality mast mounted preamps for VHF. AR2
> > > doesn't answer their phone and some uni's I work with say it takes
> days to
> > > get a call back then AR2 didn't have the one they wanted and said they
> > > would not be making any more. And SSB USA's recording says they are
> only
> > > available sporadically. Looks like I can order direct from SSB in
> Germany
> > > so that's an option.
> > >
> > > Are there any low noise RF switched manufacturers/vendors in the U.S.
> > > these days? Where are folks getting preamps these days?
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > > expressed
> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of
> > > AMSAT-NA.
> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> > >
> >
> >
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> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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> program!
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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