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Today's Topics:
1. Rove to White Sands National Park in DM62 (Dan Eggert)
2. Re: Upcoming SpaceX CRS-20 Launch (Gregory Beat)
3. Re: Rove to White Sands National Park in DM62 (cbs045@???????.????
4. Restrictions to UHF operation at White Sands National Park
(JamesDuffey)
5. Re: Rove to White Sands National Park in DM62 (cbs045@???????.????
6. Re: Restrictions to UHF operation at White Sands National
Park (cbs045@???????.????
7. Re: Restrictions to UHF operation at White Sands National
Park (JamesDuffey)
8. Re: Restrictions to UHF operation at White Sands National
Park (Bob Liddy (K8BL))
9. Possible UHF restrictions at White Sands National Park
(Dan Eggert)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 20:36:15 -0700
From: Dan Eggert <daneggert@??????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] Rove to White Sands National Park in DM62
Message-ID: <893999E1-7125-4799-9C40-924EBE8097BE@??????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Hi all,
On Friday the 28th I will be at White Sands National Park in Grid DM62. You
will hear me on the AO-91 passes at 17:13 and 1847 UTC, and the AO-92
passes at 17:26 and 19:02 UTC.
Dan Eggert - AC9E
Sent from my iPad
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 21:41:21 -0600
From: Gregory Beat <w9gb@??????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Cc: ka3hdo@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Upcoming SpaceX CRS-20 Launch
Message-ID: <3FAC094A-0BDF-446B-8EC2-00BED6F3021C@??????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
The addition of the ARISS IORS payload entry and it?s prominence in
Wikipedia?s CRS-20 page was my editing work, that I just finished last week.
I serve as a ?WikiGnome?.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiGnome
A WikiGnome is a wiki user who makes useful incremental edits without
clamouring for attention.
WikiGnomes work behind the scenes of a wiki, tying up little loose ends and
making things run more smoothly.
?
greg, w9gb
AMSAT-NA, AMSAT-UK
==
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 06:13:44 -0500
From: <ka3hdo@?????.???>
To: <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming SpaceX CRS-20 Launch
All,
The spouse of ARISS Hardware team member Ed Krome, K9EK, pointed out that
the ARISS next generation radio system (InterOperable Radio System--IORS) is
prominently described as a primary payload (note: not secondary) on the
SpaceX CRS-20 mission which will be launched no earlier than March 6 (ET).
See the Wikipedia URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_CRS-20.
The ARISS Team wants to express our heartfelt thanks to all of you that have
contributed to helping us realize this major milestone.
It should be noted that the ARISS hardware team is still very busy on IORS
development and final certification. While certified for launch and stowage
on ISS, are still in deep into the final certification of the IORS
forflight operations.
Also, our build of the second flight unit is in progress in Florida and San
Diego.
So while CRS-20 represents the launch of SN 1001-our first flight unit--it
also represents the beginning of the "ARISS factory build" and certification
of all 10 units.
ARISS-helping AMSAT and all our partners keep Amateur Radio in Space!
Note: November 13, 2020 will represent the 20th year of ARISS continuous
amateur radio operation on ISS!!
73, Frank KA3HDO
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 13:42:43 +0000
From: cbs045@???????.???
To: "'Dan Eggert'" <daneggert@??????.???>, "'amsat-bb@?????.?????
<amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Rove to White Sands National Park in DM62
Message-ID: <06951552652169cb5c2123b216ba46c6385864eb@???????>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Hello Dan,
The entire area around White Sands and the Holloman AFB have posted
signs restricting use of UHF transmissions including frequencies used
for amateur satellite uplinks.
If you are planning to uplink on L mode, 1267.359, you should have no
problem.
Just trying to help you avoid an unexpected visit from Military
Police.
Good Luck and have fun.
Brook Smith - N8OCX
-----------------------------------------From: "Dan Eggert via
AMSAT-BB"
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday February 26 2020 8:36:39PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Rove to White Sands National Park in DM62
Hi all,
On Friday the 28th I will be at White Sands National Park in Grid
DM62. You will hear me on the AO-91 passes at 17:13 and 1847 UTC, and
the AO-92 passes at 17:26 and 19:02 UTC.
Dan Eggert - AC9E
Sent from my iPad
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 08:15:38 -0700
From: JamesDuffey <jamesduffey@???????.???>
To: cbs045@???????.???
Cc: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Restrictions to UHF operation at White Sands
National Park
Message-ID: <BFD52808-9797-4C18-AED4-9752B1ED4220@???????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
One can legally operate at 50 Watts output or less on 70cm at the White
Sands National Park and in the vicinity of White Sands Missile Range, but
not on the range itself. So, you should be OK for satellite operation from
the park if you stay under 50 Watts. Output EIRP, that is the the type of
antenna used, does not matter. Yes, I know that doesn?t make sense. The only
outright prohibition on amateur operation in that area is on 902MHz.
These restrictions are specified in ? FCC ONLINE TABLE OF FREQUENCY
ALLOCATIONS 47 C.F.R. ? 2.106? footnotes US270 and US275, available on-line at
< https://transition.fcc.gov/oet/spectrum/table/fcctable.pdf >
If there are posted signs indicating otherwise in the public access area of
White Sands National Park, or public right of way near the White Sands
MissIle Range, but not on the range itself, indicating otherwise, I would
like to see a photograph of such a sign with its location clearly
identified. Of course, on the base proper they can limit your operation as
they see fit, as you are subject to military oversight there, but for the
public access to the areas around the range, including the park, the
restrictions in the table apply. If you are not on the base proper and you
stick to <50Watts on 70cm and don?t operate on 902MHz, which you don?t need
to for satellite operation, you should be OK.
The operating restrictions around White Sands Missile Range are given in
footnotes US270 and US275 to :
FCC ONLINE TABLE OF FREQUENCY ALLOCATIONS 47 C.F.R. ? 2.106
Revised on February 13, 2020
US270
In the band 420-450 MHz, the following provisions shall apply to the amateur
service:
(a) The peak envelope power of an amateur station shall not exceed 50 watts
in the following areas, unless expressly authorized by the FCC after mutual
agreement, on a case-by-case basis, between the Regional Director of the
applicable field office and the military area frequency coordinator at the
applicable military base. For areas (5) through (7), the appropriate
military coordinator is located at Peterson AFB,
CO.
(1) Arizona, Florida and New Mexico.
(2) Within those portions of California and Nevada that are south of
latitude 37? 10' N.
(3) Within that portion of Texas that is west of longitude 104? W.
(4) Within 322 km of Eglin AFB, FL (30? 30' N, 86? 30' W); Patrick AFB, FL
(28? 21' N, 80? 43' W);
and the Pacific Missile Test Center, Point Mugu, CA (34? 09' N, 119? 11' W).
(5) Within 240 km of Beale AFB, CA (39? 08' N, 121? 26' W).
(6) Within 200 km of Goodfellow AFB, TX (31? 25' N, 100? 24' W) and Warner
Robins AFB, GA
(32? 38' N, 83? 35' W).
(7) Within 160 km of Clear AFS, AK (64? 17' N, 149? 10' W); Concrete, ND
(48? 43' N, 97? 54' W);
and Otis AFB, MA (41? 45' N, 70? 32' W).
(b) In the sub-band 420-430 MHz, the amateur service is not allocated north
of Line A (def. ? 2.1).
US275
The band 902-928 MHz is allocated on a secondary basis to the amateur
service subject to not causing harmful interference to the operations of
Federal stations authorized in this band or to Location and Monitoring
Service (LMS) systems. Stations in the amateur service must tolerate any
interference from the operations of industrial, scientific, and medical
(ISM) devices, LMS systems, and the operations of Federal stations
authorized in this band. Further, the amateur service is prohibited in those
portions of Texas and New Mexico bounded on the south by latitude 31? 41'
North, on the east by longitude 104? 11' West, and on the north by latitude
34? 30' North, and on the west by longitude 107? 30' West; in addition,
outside this area but within 150 miles of these boundaries of White Sands
Missile Range the service is restricted to a maximum transmitter peak
envelope power output of 50 watts.
This is an issue that we VHF/UHF operators in New Mexico and the southwest
have to cope with. The table is revised every six months, the latest
revision being issued two weeks ago. I review each release to see if things
change. The FCC is willing to grant exemptions to the restrictions on a case
by case basis, is interested in not making the restrictions tighter than
they need to be, and to keep an amateur presence on the band. If the range
is trying to impose tighter restrictions than are allowed in the table, in
the public access areas around, but not in the range, the FCC would be very
interested in learning this.
I hope that this helps. There is a slightly more detailed discussion of this
at:
< http://www.nmvhf.org/restrictions.pdf >
In addition to that tome, there is a lot of good information about operating
UHF and VHF in NM at NMVHF.org - Duffey
James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM
> On Feb 27, 2020, at 06:43, Brook Smith via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Hello Dan,
>
> The entire area around White Sands and the Holloman AFB have posted
> signs restricting use of UHF transmissions including frequencies used
> for amateur satellite uplinks.
>
> If you are planning to uplink on L mode, 1267.359, you should have no
> problem.
>
> Just trying to help you avoid an unexpected visit from Military
> Police.
>
> Good Luck and have fun.
>
> Brook Smith - N8OCX
>
> -----------------------------------------From: "Dan Eggert via
> AMSAT-BB"
> To: amsat-bb@?????.???
> Cc:
> Sent: Wednesday February 26 2020 8:36:39PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Rove to White Sands National Park in DM62
>
> Hi all,
>
> On Friday the 28th I will be at White Sands National Park in Grid
> DM62. You will hear me on the AO-91 passes at 17:13 and 1847 UTC, and
> the AO-92 passes at 17:26 and 19:02 UTC.
>
> Dan Eggert - AC9E
>
> Sent from my iPad
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
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AMSAT-NA.
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------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 15:17:22 +0000
From: cbs045@???????.???
To: "'Jackie Dander'" <shorenicehere@?????.???>,
"'amsat-bb@?????.????? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Rove to White Sands National Park in DM62
Message-ID: <482ab72067776bfd89129d4f6842f1a9105ad853@???????>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Thanks Jackie for the correction. I was looking at the wrong
satellite on the frequency guide. That said, for Dan and working AO-91
anywhere near White Sands, beware of the frequency use restrictions.
I'm sure others know more about this.
73 de N8OCX
-----------------------------------------From: "Jackie Dander"
To: "cbs045@???????.????
Cc:
Sent: Thursday February 27 2020 7:29:11AM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Rove to White Sands National Park in DM62
AMSAT site declares U or L is only uplink available for AO-92 and not
AO-91. Plus, it says AI-92 is command selectable for U or L but not
both at same time for uplink. How can you know in advance which uplink
frequency AO-92 is using for next pass?IsaacW4ITC
On Thursday, February 27, 2020, Brook Smith via AMSAT-BB wrote:
Hello Dan,
The entire area around White Sands and the Holloman AFB have posted
signs restricting use of UHF transmissions including frequencies used
for amateur satellite uplinks.
If you are planning to uplink on L mode, 1267.359, you should have no
problem.
Just trying to help you avoid an unexpected visit from Military
Police.
Good Luck and have fun.
Brook Smith - N8OCX
-----------------------------------------From: "Dan Eggert via
AMSAT-BB"
To: amsat-bb@?????.??? [2]
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday February 26 2020 8:36:39PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Rove to White Sands National Park in DM62
Hi all,
On Friday the 28th I will be at White Sands National Park in Grid
DM62. You will hear me on the AO-91 passes at 17:13 and 1847 UTC, and
the AO-92 passes at 17:26 and 19:02 UTC.
Dan Eggert - AC9E
Sent from my iPad
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.??? [3]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
available
to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
of AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
program!
Subscription settings:
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available
to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
of AMSAT-NA.
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Subscription settings: [5]https://www.amsat.org/mailman/
[6]listinfo/amsat-bb
Links:
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 15:33:03 +0000
From: cbs045@???????.???
To: "'JamesDuffey'" <jamesduffey@???????.???>
Cc: "'amsat-bb@?????.????? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Restrictions to UHF operation at White Sands
National Park
Message-ID: <56d859f8210c39552d7bd1da4733c2a96739ed2b@???????>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Hi James,
Great information. I remember seeing the signs around White Sands
back in the late 80's when I lived in ABQ and liked working AO-27
mobile. Last time I worked in the area a couple years ago I remember
seeing the signs again and being surprised they are still there. I
think they are located near the beginning and end of Route 70 near
White Sands and Alamagordo. Thanks for the reply.
Regards, N8OCX
-----------------------------------------From: "JamesDuffey"
To: cbs045@???????.???
Cc: "Dan Eggert", "amsat-bb@?????.????
Sent: Thursday February 27 2020 8:15:48AM
Subject: Restrictions to UHF operation at White Sands National Park
One can legally operate at 50 Watts output or less on 70cm at the
White Sands National Park and in the vicinity of White Sands Missile
Range, but not on the range itself. So, you should be OK for satellite
operation from the park if you stay under 50 Watts. Output EIRP, that
is the the type of antenna used, does not matter. Yes, I know that
doesn?t make sense. The only outright prohibition on amateur
operation in that area is on 902MHz.
These restrictions are specified in ? FCC ONLINE TABLE OF FREQUENCY
ALLOCATIONS 47 C.F.R. ? 2.106? footnotes US270 and US275, available
on-line at
< [1]https://transition.fcc.gov/oet/spectrum/table/fcctable.pdf [2] >
If there are posted signs indicating otherwise in the public access
area of White Sands National Park, or public right of way near the
White Sands MissIle Range, but not on the range itself, indicating
otherwise, I would like to see a photograph of such a sign with its
location clearly identified. Of course, on the base proper they can
limit your operation as they see fit, as you are subject to military
oversight there, but for the public access to the areas around the
range, including the park, the restrictions in the table apply. If you
are not on the base proper and you stick to
Links:
------
[1] https://transition.fcc.gov/oet/spectrum/table/fcctable.pdf
[2] https://transition.fcc.gov/oet/spectrum/table/fcctable.pdf
[3] http://www.nmvhf.org/restrictions.pdf
[4] http://www.nmvhf.org/restrictions.pdf
[5] https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
------------------------------
Message: 7
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 08:49:30 -0700
From: JamesDuffey <jamesduffey@???????.???>
To: cbs045@???????.???
Cc: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Restrictions to UHF operation at White Sands
National Park
Message-ID: <6FCAA97D-3AB0-4732-812D-FEC1CAB2B65D@???????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Brook - Thanks for the reply. I will look for the signs the next time I am
down there.
I have roved in VHF/UHF contests on US70 from Socorro to Alamogordo, which
goes through the range, US60 from San Antonio, NM to Carrizozo which skirts
the northern boundary of the range, and from US54 from El Paso to Carrizozo
which skirts the eastern edge of the range and also phases through Ft.
Bliss. I get down that way every couple of years or so and am overdue for
another rove done that way. If the range is trying to restrict things more
than are in the regulations, the FCC regional director would be interested.
- Duffey
James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM
> On Feb 27, 2020, at 08:33, cbs045@???????.??? wrote:
>
> ?
> Hi James,
>
> Great information. I remember seeing the signs around White Sands back in
the late 80's when I lived in ABQ and liked working AO-27 mobile. Last time
I worked in the area a couple years ago I remember seeing the signs again
and being surprised they are still there. I think they are located near the
beginning and end of Route 70 near White Sands and Alamagordo. Thanks for
the reply.
>
> Regards, N8OCX
>
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
> From: "JamesDuffey"
> To: cbs045@???????.???
> Cc: "Dan Eggert", "amsat-bb@?????.????
> Sent: Thursday February 27 2020 8:15:48AM
> Subject: Restrictions to UHF operation at White Sands National Park
>
> One can legally operate at 50 Watts output or less on 70cm at the White
Sands National Park and in the vicinity of White Sands Missile Range, but
not on the range itself. So, you should be OK for satellite operation from
the park if you stay under 50 Watts. Output EIRP, that is the the type of
antenna used, does not matter. Yes, I know that doesn?t make sense. The only
outright prohibition on amateur operation in that area is on 902MHz.
>
> These restrictions are specified in ? FCC ONLINE TABLE OF FREQUENCY
ALLOCATIONS 47 C.F.R. ? 2.106? footnotes US270 and US275, available on-line at
>
> < https://transition.fcc.gov/oet/spectrum/table/fcctable.pdf >
>
> If there are posted signs indicating otherwise in the public access area
of White Sands National Park, or public right of way near the White Sands
MissIle Range, but not on the range itself, indicating otherwise, I would
like to see a photograph of such a sign with its location clearly
identified. Of course, on the base proper they can limit your operation as
they see fit, as you are subject to military oversight there, but for the
public access to the areas around the range, including the park, the
restrictions in the table apply. If you are not on the base proper and you
stick to <50Watts on 70cm and don?t operate on 902MHz, which you don?t need
to for satellite operation, you should be OK.
>
> The operating restrictions around White Sands Missile Range are given in
footnotes US270 and US275 to :
>
> FCC ONLINE TABLE OF FREQUENCY ALLOCATIONS 47 C.F.R. ? 2.106
> Revised on February 13, 2020
>
> US270
> In the band 420-450 MHz, the following provisions shall apply to the
amateur service:
> (a) The peak envelope power of an amateur station shall not exceed 50
watts in the following areas, unless expressly authorized by the FCC after
mutual agreement, on a case-by-case basis, between the Regional Director of
the applicable field office and the military area frequency coordinator at
the applicable military base. For areas (5) through (7), the appropriate
military coordinator is located at Peterson AFB,
> CO.
> (1) Arizona, Florida and New Mexico.
> (2) Within those portions of California and Nevada that are south of
latitude 37? 10' N.
> (3) Within that portion of Texas that is west of longitude 104? W.
> (4) Within 322 km of Eglin AFB, FL (30? 30' N, 86? 30' W); Patrick AFB, FL
(28? 21' N, 80? 43' W);
> and the Pacific Missile Test Center, Point Mugu, CA (34? 09' N, 119? 11' W).
> (5) Within 240 km of Beale AFB, CA (39? 08' N, 121? 26' W).
> (6) Within 200 km of Goodfellow AFB, TX (31? 25' N, 100? 24' W) and Warner
Robins AFB, GA
> (32? 38' N, 83? 35' W).
> (7) Within 160 km of Clear AFS, AK (64? 17' N, 149? 10' W); Concrete, ND
(48? 43' N, 97? 54' W);
> and Otis AFB, MA (41? 45' N, 70? 32' W).
> (b) In the sub-band 420-430 MHz, the amateur service is not allocated
north of Line A (def. ? 2.1).
>
> US275
> The band 902-928 MHz is allocated on a secondary basis to the amateur
service subject to not causing harmful interference to the operations of
Federal stations authorized in this band or to Location and Monitoring
Service (LMS) systems. Stations in the amateur service must tolerate any
interference from the operations of industrial, scientific, and medical
(ISM) devices, LMS systems, and the operations of Federal stations
authorized in this band. Further, the amateur service is prohibited in those
portions of Texas and New Mexico bounded on the south by latitude 31? 41'
North, on the east by longitude 104? 11' West, and on the north by latitude
34? 30' North, and on the west by longitude 107? 30' West; in addition,
outside this area but within 150 miles of these boundaries of White Sands
Missile Range the service is restricted to a maximum transmitter peak
envelope power output of 50 watts.
>
> This is an issue that we VHF/UHF operators in New Mexico and the southwest
have to cope with. The table is revised every six months, the latest
revision being issued two weeks ago. I review each release to see if things
change. The FCC is willing to grant exemptions to the restrictions on a case
by case basis, is interested in not making the restrictions tighter than
they need to be, and to keep an amateur presence on the band. If the range
is trying to impose tighter restrictions than are allowed in the table, in
the public access areas around, but not in the range, the FCC would be very
interested in learning this.
>
> I hope that this helps. There is a slightly more detailed discussion of
this at:
>
> < http://www.nmvhf.org/restrictions.pdf >
>
> In addition to that tome, there is a lot of good information about
operating UHF and VHF in NM at NMVHF.org - Duffey
>
> James Duffey KK6MC
> Cedar Crest NM
>
>>> On Feb 27, 2020, at 06:43, Brook Smith via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
>>>
>> ?
>>
>> Hello Dan,
>>
>> The entire area around White Sands and the Holloman AFB have posted
>> signs restricting use of UHF transmissions including frequencies used
>> for amateur satellite uplinks.
>>
>> If you are planning to uplink on L mode, 1267.359, you should have no
>> problem.
>>
>> Just trying to help you avoid an unexpected visit from Military
>> Police.
>>
>> Good Luck and have fun.
>>
>> Brook Smith - N8OCX
>>
>> -----------------------------------------From: "Dan Eggert via
>> AMSAT-BB"
>> To: amsat-bb@?????.???
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Wednesday February 26 2020 8:36:39PM
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Rove to White Sands National Park in DM62
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> On Friday the 28th I will be at White Sands National Park in Grid
>> DM62. You will hear me on the AO-91 passes at 17:13 and 1847 UTC, and
>> the AO-92 passes at 17:26 and 19:02 UTC.
>>
>> Dan Eggert - AC9E
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>> of AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> program!
>> Subscription settings:
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 16:00:29 +0000 (UTC)
From: "Bob Liddy (K8BL)" <k8bl@?????????.???>
To: cbs045@???????.???? JamesDuffey <jamesduffey@???????.???>
Cc: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Restrictions to UHF operation at White Sands
National Park
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Rovers, et al:
Now that it has been determined that there is a limit
of no more than 50 W, we shouldn't be concerned. No
Rover would be using anywhere near that power. So,
let the fun begin!
73,? ? Bob? K8BL
On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 09:50:28 AM CST, JamesDuffey via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
Brook - Thanks for the reply. I will look for the signs the next time I am
down there.
I have roved in VHF/UHF contests on US70 from Socorro to Alamogordo, which
goes through the range, US60 from San Antonio, NM to Carrizozo which skirts
the northern boundary of the range, and from US54 from El Paso to Carrizozo
which skirts the eastern edge of the range and also phases through Ft.
Bliss. I get down that way every couple of years or so and am overdue for
another rove done that way. If the range is trying to restrict things more
than are in the regulations, the FCC regional director would be interested.
- Duffey
James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM
> On Feb 27, 2020, at 08:33, cbs045@???????.??? wrote:
>
> ?
> Hi James,
>
> Great information.? I remember seeing the signs around White Sands back in
the late 80's when I lived in ABQ and liked working AO-27 mobile.? Last time
I worked in the area a couple years ago I remember seeing the signs again
and being surprised they are still there.? I think they are located near the
beginning and end of Route 70 near White Sands and Alamagordo.? Thanks for
the reply.
>
> Regards, N8OCX
>
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
> From: "JamesDuffey"
> To: cbs045@???????.???
> Cc: "Dan Eggert", "amsat-bb@?????.????
> Sent: Thursday February 27 2020 8:15:48AM
> Subject: Restrictions to UHF operation at White Sands National Park
>
> One can legally operate at 50 Watts output or less on 70cm at the White
Sands National Park and in the vicinity of White Sands Missile Range, but
not on the range itself. So, you should be OK for satellite operation from
the park if you stay under 50 Watts. Output EIRP, that is the the type of
antenna used, does not matter. Yes, I know that doesn?t make sense. The only
outright prohibition on amateur operation in that area is on 902MHz.
>
> These restrictions are specified? in ? FCC ONLINE TABLE OF FREQUENCY
ALLOCATIONS 47 C.F.R. ? 2.106? footnotes US270 and US275, available on-line at
>
> < https://transition.fcc.gov/oet/spectrum/table/fcctable.pdf >
>
> If there are posted signs indicating otherwise in the public access area
of White Sands National Park, or public right of way near the White Sands
MissIle Range, but not on the range itself, indicating otherwise, I would
like to see a photograph of such a sign with its location clearly
identified. Of course, on the base proper they can limit your operation as
they see fit, as you are subject to military oversight there, but for the
public access to the areas around the range, including the park, the
restrictions in the table apply. If you are not on the base proper and you
stick to <50Watts on 70cm and don?t operate on 902MHz, which you don?t need
to for satellite operation, you should be OK.
>
> The operating restrictions around White Sands Missile Range are given in
footnotes US270 and US275 to :
>
> FCC ONLINE TABLE OF FREQUENCY ALLOCATIONS 47 C.F.R. ? 2.106
> Revised on February 13, 2020
>
> US270
> In the band 420-450 MHz, the following provisions shall apply to the
amateur service:
> (a) The peak envelope power of an amateur station shall not exceed 50
watts in the following areas, unless expressly authorized by the FCC after
mutual agreement, on a case-by-case basis, between the Regional Director of
the applicable field office and the military area frequency coordinator at
the applicable military base. For areas (5) through (7), the appropriate
military coordinator is located at Peterson AFB,
> CO.
> (1) Arizona, Florida and New Mexico.
> (2) Within those portions of California and Nevada that are south of
latitude 37? 10' N.
> (3) Within that portion of Texas that is west of longitude 104? W.
> (4) Within 322 km of Eglin AFB, FL (30? 30' N, 86? 30' W); Patrick AFB, FL
(28? 21' N, 80? 43' W);
> and the Pacific Missile Test Center, Point Mugu, CA (34? 09' N, 119? 11' W).
> (5) Within 240 km of Beale AFB, CA (39? 08' N, 121? 26' W).
> (6) Within 200 km of Goodfellow AFB, TX (31? 25' N, 100? 24' W) and Warner
Robins AFB, GA
> (32? 38' N, 83? 35' W).
> (7) Within 160 km of Clear AFS, AK (64? 17' N, 149? 10' W); Concrete, ND
(48? 43' N, 97? 54' W);
> and Otis AFB, MA (41? 45' N, 70? 32' W).
> (b) In the sub-band 420-430 MHz, the amateur service is not allocated
north of Line A (def. ? 2.1).
>
> US275
> The band 902-928 MHz is allocated on a secondary basis to the amateur
service subject to not causing harmful interference to the operations of
Federal stations authorized in this band or to Location and Monitoring
Service (LMS) systems. Stations in the amateur service must tolerate any
interference from the operations of industrial, scientific, and medical
(ISM) devices, LMS systems, and the operations of Federal stations
authorized in this band. Further, the amateur service is prohibited in those
portions of Texas and New Mexico bounded on the south by latitude 31? 41'
North, on the east by longitude 104? 11' West, and on the north by latitude
34? 30' North, and on the west by longitude 107? 30' West; in addition,
outside this area but within 150 miles of these boundaries of White Sands
Missile Range the service is restricted to a maximum transmitter peak
envelope power output of 50 watts.
>
> This is an issue that we VHF/UHF operators in New Mexico and the southwest
have to cope with. The table is revised every six months, the latest
revision being issued two weeks ago. I review each release to see if things
change. The FCC is willing to grant exemptions to the restrictions on a case
by case basis, is interested in not making the restrictions tighter than
they need to be, and to keep an amateur presence on the band. If the range
is trying to impose tighter restrictions than are allowed in the table, in
the public access areas around, but not in the range,? the FCC would be very
interested in learning this.
>
> I hope that this helps. There is a slightly more detailed discussion of
this at:
>
> < http://www.nmvhf.org/restrictions.pdf >
>
> In addition to that tome, there is a lot of good information about
operating UHF and VHF in NM at NMVHF.org - Duffey
>
> James Duffey KK6MC
> Cedar Crest NM
>
>>> On Feb 27, 2020, at 06:43, Brook Smith via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
>>>
>> ?
>>
>>? ? Hello Dan,
>>
>>? ? The entire area around White Sands and the Holloman AFB have posted
>> signs restricting use of UHF transmissions including frequencies used
>> for amateur satellite uplinks.
>>
>>? ? If you are planning to uplink on L mode, 1267.359, you should have no
>> problem.
>>
>>? ? Just trying to help you avoid an unexpected visit from Military
>> Police.
>>
>>? ? Good Luck and have fun.
>>
>>? ? Brook Smith - N8OCX
>>
>>? ? -----------------------------------------From: "Dan Eggert via
>> AMSAT-BB"
>> To: amsat-bb@?????.???
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Wednesday February 26 2020 8:36:39PM
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Rove to White Sands National Park in DM62
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> On Friday the 28th I will be at White Sands National Park in Grid
>> DM62. You will hear me on the AO-91 passes at 17:13 and 1847 UTC, and
>> the AO-92 passes at 17:26 and 19:02 UTC.
>>
>> Dan Eggert - AC9E
>>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 09:48:29 -0700
From: Dan Eggert <daneggert@??????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] Possible UHF restrictions at White Sands National
Park
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Thanks James KK6MC and Brook N8OCX for the heads up on the possible Amateur
radio frequency restrictions at the White Sands National Park. I have been
operating on the satellites for over 2 years now and I am within 15 miles of
White Sands, Holloman AFB and the missile range. Based on the information
you have provided I should not have a problem. I have been there several
times in the past 20 years and I don?t recall seeing any signs on frequency
restrictions. I will look for any signs and take pictures if I see one. I
will see if the Park Rangers can give me any info on this subject.
73
Dan - AC9E
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