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Today's Topics:
1. Possible amateur radio restrictions at White Sands National
Park (Dan Eggert)
2. Re: Restrictions to UHF operation at White Sands National
Park (Gary)
3. Fwd: Restrictions to UHF operation at White Sands National
Park (Fernando Ramirez)
4. APRS sats with the TH-D74A? (Steve Kristoff)
5. Re: Restrictions to UHF operation at White Sands National
Park (Fernando Ramirez)
6. Re: APRS sats with the TH-D74A? (KI7UNJ Tucker)
7. SATpc32 and IC-9700 operational question (Michael Walker)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 10:04:16 -0700
From: Dan Eggert <daneggert@??????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] Possible amateur radio restrictions at White Sands
National Park
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Thanks James KK6MC and Brook N8OCX for the heads up on the possible amateur
radio restrictions at White Sands National Park. I have been operating on
the amateur satellites for over 2 years now and I am within 15 miles from
White Sands National Park, Holloman AFB and the missile range. Based on the
information you have brought to my attention I should not have any problems.
I will look for any posted signs and see if the Park rangers have any
information on the subject.
73
Dan - AC9E
Sent from my iPad
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 17:06:33 +0000
From: Gary <gary_mayfield@???????.???>
To: "Bob Liddy (K8BL)" <k8bl@?????????.???>, "cbs045@???????.????
<cbs045@???????.???>, JamesDuffey <jamesduffey@???????.???>,
"amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Restrictions to UHF operation at White Sands
National Park
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I'm thinking it was somewhere around 1988 when the additional restrictions
went in and the signs went up. At one point we were required to have a Range
Operating Permit (called a rope) to operate on the range. I made a lot of
contacts to and from work via RS-14/AO-21 and the trusty old FT-4700.
The main reason to have the mobile was to listen to the MPs. They always
faced some interesting problems when U.S. 70 was blocked for a test. I'm
sure that's all scrambled digital traffic now.
Okay - memory lane trip over.
73,
Joe (was ka0yos now kk0sd)
-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???> On Behalf Of Bob Liddy (K8BL)
via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 10:00 AM
To: cbs045@???????.???? JamesDuffey <jamesduffey@???????.???>
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Restrictions to UHF operation at White Sands
National Park
Rovers, et al:
Now that it has been determined that there is a limit of no more than 50 W,
we shouldn't be concerned. No Rover would be using anywhere near that power.
So, let the fun begin!
73,? ? Bob? K8BL
On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 09:50:28 AM CST, JamesDuffey via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
Brook - Thanks for the reply. I will look for the signs the next time I am
down there.
I have roved in VHF/UHF contests on US70 from Socorro to Alamogordo, which
goes through the range, US60 from San Antonio, NM to Carrizozo which skirts
the northern boundary of the range, and from US54 from El Paso to Carrizozo
which skirts the eastern edge of the range and also phases through Ft.
Bliss. I get down that way every couple of years or so and am overdue for
another rove done that way. If the range is trying to restrict things more
than are in the regulations, the FCC regional director would be interested.
- Duffey
James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM
> On Feb 27, 2020, at 08:33, cbs045@???????.??? wrote:
>
> ?
> Hi James,
>
> Great information.? I remember seeing the signs around White Sands back in
the late 80's when I lived in ABQ and liked working AO-27 mobile.? Last time
I worked in the area a couple years ago I remember seeing the signs again
and being surprised they are still there.? I think they are located near the
beginning and end of Route 70 near White Sands and Alamagordo.? Thanks for
the reply.
>
> Regards, N8OCX
>
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
> From: "JamesDuffey"
> To: cbs045@???????.???
> Cc: "Dan Eggert", "amsat-bb@?????.????
> Sent: Thursday February 27 2020 8:15:48AM
> Subject: Restrictions to UHF operation at White Sands National Park
>
> One can legally operate at 50 Watts output or less on 70cm at the White
Sands National Park and in the vicinity of White Sands Missile Range, but
not on the range itself. So, you should be OK for satellite operation from
the park if you stay under 50 Watts. Output EIRP, that is the the type of
antenna used, does not matter. Yes, I know that doesn?t make sense. The only
outright prohibition on amateur operation in that area is on 902MHz.
>
> These restrictions are specified? in ? FCC ONLINE TABLE OF FREQUENCY
> ALLOCATIONS 47 C.F.R. ? 2.106? footnotes US270 and US275, available
> on-line at
>
> < https://transition.fcc.gov/oet/spectrum/table/fcctable.pdf >
>
> If there are posted signs indicating otherwise in the public access area
of White Sands National Park, or public right of way near the White Sands
MissIle Range, but not on the range itself, indicating otherwise, I would
like to see a photograph of such a sign with its location clearly
identified. Of course, on the base proper they can limit your operation as
they see fit, as you are subject to military oversight there, but for the
public access to the areas around the range, including the park, the
restrictions in the table apply. If you are not on the base proper and you
stick to <50Watts on 70cm and don?t operate on 902MHz, which you don?t need
to for satellite operation, you should be OK.
>
> The operating restrictions around White Sands Missile Range are given in
footnotes US270 and US275 to :
>
> FCC ONLINE TABLE OF FREQUENCY ALLOCATIONS 47 C.F.R. ? 2.106 Revised on
> February 13, 2020
>
> US270
> In the band 420-450 MHz, the following provisions shall apply to the
amateur service:
> (a) The peak envelope power of an amateur station shall not exceed 50
> watts in the following areas, unless expressly authorized by the FCC after
mutual agreement, on a case-by-case basis, between the Regional Director of
the applicable field office and the military area frequency coordinator at
the applicable military base. For areas (5) through (7), the appropriate
military coordinator is located at Peterson AFB, CO.
> (1) Arizona, Florida and New Mexico.
> (2) Within those portions of California and Nevada that are south of
latitude 37? 10' N.
> (3) Within that portion of Texas that is west of longitude 104? W.
> (4) Within 322 km of Eglin AFB, FL (30? 30' N, 86? 30' W); Patrick
> AFB, FL (28? 21' N, 80? 43' W); and the Pacific Missile Test Center, Point
Mugu, CA (34? 09' N, 119? 11' W).
> (5) Within 240 km of Beale AFB, CA (39? 08' N, 121? 26' W).
> (6) Within 200 km of Goodfellow AFB, TX (31? 25' N, 100? 24' W) and
> Warner Robins AFB, GA (32? 38' N, 83? 35' W).
> (7) Within 160 km of Clear AFS, AK (64? 17' N, 149? 10' W); Concrete,
> ND (48? 43' N, 97? 54' W); and Otis AFB, MA (41? 45' N, 70? 32' W).
> (b) In the sub-band 420-430 MHz, the amateur service is not allocated
north of Line A (def. ? 2.1).
>
> US275
> The band 902-928 MHz is allocated on a secondary basis to the amateur
service subject to not causing harmful interference to the operations of
Federal stations authorized in this band or to Location and Monitoring
Service (LMS) systems. Stations in the amateur service must tolerate any
interference from the operations of industrial, scientific, and medical
(ISM) devices, LMS systems, and the operations of Federal stations
authorized in this band. Further, the amateur service is prohibited in those
portions of Texas and New Mexico bounded on the south by latitude 31? 41'
North, on the east by longitude 104? 11' West, and on the north by latitude
34? 30' North, and on the west by longitude 107? 30' West; in addition,
outside this area but within 150 miles of these boundaries of White Sands
Missile Range the service is restricted to a maximum transmitter peak
envelope power output of 50 watts.
>
> This is an issue that we VHF/UHF operators in New Mexico and the southwest
have to cope with. The table is revised every six months, the latest
revision being issued two weeks ago. I review each release to see if things
change. The FCC is willing to grant exemptions to the restrictions on a case
by case basis, is interested in not making the restrictions tighter than
they need to be, and to keep an amateur presence on the band. If the range
is trying to impose tighter restrictions than are allowed in the table, in
the public access areas around, but not in the range,? the FCC would be very
interested in learning this.
>
> I hope that this helps. There is a slightly more detailed discussion of
this at:
>
> < http://www.nmvhf.org/restrictions.pdf >
>
> In addition to that tome, there is a lot of good information about
> operating UHF and VHF in NM at NMVHF.org - Duffey
>
> James Duffey KK6MC
> Cedar Crest NM
>
>>> On Feb 27, 2020, at 06:43, Brook Smith via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
>>>
>> ?
>>
>>? ? Hello Dan,
>>
>>? ? The entire area around White Sands and the Holloman AFB have
>>posted signs restricting use of UHF transmissions including
>>frequencies used for amateur satellite uplinks.
>>
>>? ? If you are planning to uplink on L mode, 1267.359, you should have
>>no problem.
>>
>>? ? Just trying to help you avoid an unexpected visit from Military
>>Police.
>>
>>? ? Good Luck and have fun.
>>
>>? ? Brook Smith - N8OCX
>>
>>? ? -----------------------------------------From: "Dan Eggert via
>>AMSAT-BB"
>> To: amsat-bb@?????.???
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Wednesday February 26 2020 8:36:39PM
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Rove to White Sands National Park in DM62
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> On Friday the 28th I will be at White Sands National Park in Grid
>> DM62. You will hear me on the AO-91 passes at 17:13 and 1847 UTC, and
>> the AO-92 passes at 17:26 and 19:02 UTC.
>>
>> Dan Eggert - AC9E
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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>> of AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> program!
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 11:09:11 -0700
From: Fernando Ramirez <framirezferrer@?????.???>
To: AMSAT -BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Fwd: Restrictions to UHF operation at White Sands
National Park
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I'm with Bob on this. 50w on a FM satellite is more than enough power to
operate efficiently. On SSB is just inconsiderate.
As an Arizona resident, we are under the same restrictions. Not a big deal
for satellites but it can affect EME DXers and other ops working long
distance contacts.
In order to operate over 50w in AZ we need an exemption. N1AV had a good
article on how to request that exemption: http://www.n1rwy.org/?p=504
Have fun and 73!
Fernando, KF7R
On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 9:15 AM Bob Liddy (K8BL) via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Rovers, et al:
>
> Now that it has been determined that there is a limit
> of no more than 50 W, we shouldn't be concerned. No
> Rover would be using anywhere near that power. So,
> let the fun begin!
>
> 73, Bob K8BL
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 09:50:28 AM CST, JamesDuffey via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Brook - Thanks for the reply. I will look for the signs the next time I am
> down there.
>
> I have roved in VHF/UHF contests on US70 from Socorro to Alamogordo, which
> goes through the range, US60 from San Antonio, NM to Carrizozo which skirts
> the northern boundary of the range, and from US54 from El Paso to Carrizozo
> which skirts the eastern edge of the range and also phases through Ft.
> Bliss. I get down that way every couple of years or so and am overdue for
> another rove done that way. If the range is trying to restrict things more
> than are in the regulations, the FCC regional director would be interested.
> - Duffey
>
> James Duffey KK6MC
> Cedar Crest NM
>
> > On Feb 27, 2020, at 08:33, cbs045@???????.??? wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > Hi James,
> >
> > Great information. I remember seeing the signs around White Sands back
> in the late 80's when I lived in ABQ and liked working AO-27 mobile. Last
> time I worked in the area a couple years ago I remember seeing the signs
> again and being surprised they are still there. I think they are located
> near the beginning and end of Route 70 near White Sands and Alamagordo.
> Thanks for the reply.
> >
> > Regards, N8OCX
> >
> >
> > -----------------------------------------
> >
> > From: "JamesDuffey"
> > To: cbs045@???????.???
> > Cc: "Dan Eggert", "amsat-bb@?????.????
> > Sent: Thursday February 27 2020 8:15:48AM
> > Subject: Restrictions to UHF operation at White Sands National Park
> >
> > One can legally operate at 50 Watts output or less on 70cm at the White
> Sands National Park and in the vicinity of White Sands Missile Range, but
> not on the range itself. So, you should be OK for satellite operation from
> the park if you stay under 50 Watts. Output EIRP, that is the the type of
> antenna used, does not matter. Yes, I know that doesn?t make sense. The
> only outright prohibition on amateur operation in that area is on 902MHz.
> >
> > These restrictions are specified in ? FCC ONLINE TABLE OF FREQUENCY
> ALLOCATIONS 47 C.F.R. ? 2.106? footnotes US270 and US275, available on-line
> at
> >
> > < https://transition.fcc.gov/oet/spectrum/table/fcctable.pdf >
> >
> > If there are posted signs indicating otherwise in the public access area
> of White Sands National Park, or public right of way near the White Sands
> MissIle Range, but not on the range itself, indicating otherwise, I would
> like to see a photograph of such a sign with its location clearly
> identified. Of course, on the base proper they can limit your operation as
> they see fit, as you are subject to military oversight there, but for the
> public access to the areas around the range, including the park, the
> restrictions in the table apply. If you are not on the base proper and you
> stick to <50Watts on 70cm and don?t operate on 902MHz, which you don?t need
> to for satellite operation, you should be OK.
> >
> > The operating restrictions around White Sands Missile Range are given in
> footnotes US270 and US275 to :
> >
> > FCC ONLINE TABLE OF FREQUENCY ALLOCATIONS 47 C.F.R. ? 2.106
> > Revised on February 13, 2020
> >
> > US270
> > In the band 420-450 MHz, the following provisions shall apply to the
> amateur service:
> > (a) The peak envelope power of an amateur station shall not exceed 50
> watts in the following areas, unless expressly authorized by the FCC after
> mutual agreement, on a case-by-case basis, between the Regional Director of
> the applicable field office and the military area frequency coordinator at
> the applicable military base. For areas (5) through (7), the appropriate
> military coordinator is located at Peterson AFB,
> > CO.
> > (1) Arizona, Florida and New Mexico.
> > (2) Within those portions of California and Nevada that are south of
> latitude 37? 10' N.
> > (3) Within that portion of Texas that is west of longitude 104? W.
> > (4) Within 322 km of Eglin AFB, FL (30? 30' N, 86? 30' W); Patrick AFB,
> FL (28? 21' N, 80? 43' W);
> > and the Pacific Missile Test Center, Point Mugu, CA (34? 09' N, 119? 11'
> W).
> > (5) Within 240 km of Beale AFB, CA (39? 08' N, 121? 26' W).
> > (6) Within 200 km of Goodfellow AFB, TX (31? 25' N, 100? 24' W) and
> Warner Robins AFB, GA
> > (32? 38' N, 83? 35' W).
> > (7) Within 160 km of Clear AFS, AK (64? 17' N, 149? 10' W); Concrete, ND
> (48? 43' N, 97? 54' W);
> > and Otis AFB, MA (41? 45' N, 70? 32' W).
> > (b) In the sub-band 420-430 MHz, the amateur service is not allocated
> north of Line A (def. ? 2.1).
> >
> > US275
> > The band 902-928 MHz is allocated on a secondary basis to the amateur
> service subject to not causing harmful interference to the operations of
> Federal stations authorized in this band or to Location and Monitoring
> Service (LMS) systems. Stations in the amateur service must tolerate any
> interference from the operations of industrial, scientific, and medical
> (ISM) devices, LMS systems, and the operations of Federal stations
> authorized in this band. Further, the amateur service is prohibited in
> those portions of Texas and New Mexico bounded on the south by latitude 31?
> 41' North, on the east by longitude 104? 11' West, and on the north by
> latitude 34? 30' North, and on the west by longitude 107? 30' West; in
> addition, outside this area but within 150 miles of these boundaries of
> White Sands Missile Range the service is restricted to a maximum
> transmitter peak envelope power output of 50 watts.
> >
> > This is an issue that we VHF/UHF operators in New Mexico and the
> southwest have to cope with. The table is revised every six months, the
> latest revision being issued two weeks ago. I review each release to see if
> things change. The FCC is willing to grant exemptions to the restrictions
> on a case by case basis, is interested in not making the restrictions
> tighter than they need to be, and to keep an amateur presence on the band.
> If the range is trying to impose tighter restrictions than are allowed in
> the table, in the public access areas around, but not in the range, the
> FCC would be very interested in learning this.
> >
> > I hope that this helps. There is a slightly more detailed discussion of
> this at:
> >
> > < http://www.nmvhf.org/restrictions.pdf >
> >
> > In addition to that tome, there is a lot of good information about
> operating UHF and VHF in NM at NMVHF.org - Duffey
> >
> > James Duffey KK6MC
> > Cedar Crest NM
> >
> >>> On Feb 27, 2020, at 06:43, Brook Smith via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> >>>
> >> ?
> >>
> >> Hello Dan,
> >>
> >> The entire area around White Sands and the Holloman AFB have posted
> >> signs restricting use of UHF transmissions including frequencies used
> >> for amateur satellite uplinks.
> >>
> >> If you are planning to uplink on L mode, 1267.359, you should have no
> >> problem.
> >>
> >> Just trying to help you avoid an unexpected visit from Military
> >> Police.
> >>
> >> Good Luck and have fun.
> >>
> >> Brook Smith - N8OCX
> >>
> >> -----------------------------------------From: "Dan Eggert via
> >> AMSAT-BB"
> >> To: amsat-bb@?????.???
> >> Cc:
> >> Sent: Wednesday February 26 2020 8:36:39PM
> >> Subject: [amsat-bb] Rove to White Sands National Park in DM62
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> On Friday the 28th I will be at White Sands National Park in Grid
> >> DM62. You will hear me on the AO-91 passes at 17:13 and 1847 UTC, and
> >> the AO-92 passes at 17:26 and 19:02 UTC.
> >>
> >> Dan Eggert - AC9E
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> >> Opinions expressed
> >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> >> of AMSAT-NA.
> >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> >> program!
> >> Subscription settings:
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of AMSAT-NA.
> >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> >> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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> AMSAT-NA.
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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> AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 13:14:35 -0500
From: "Steve Kristoff" <skristof@???????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] APRS sats with the TH-D74A?
Message-ID: <f80d22eeca9da9658915f1d33ce22548@???????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
?Is anyone using the Kenwood TH-D74A, say with an Arrow antenna, to work the
APRS sats (ISS, AISAT, etc.)? If so, what are your thoughts? Is it worth a
try?
Steve AI9IN
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 11:33:40 -0700
From: Fernando Ramirez <framirezferrer@?????.???>
To: "Bob Liddy (K8BL)" <K8BL@?????????.???>
Cc: AMSAT -BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Restrictions to UHF operation at White Sands
National Park
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Resending this message, it appears it got lost in limbo...
I'm with Bob on this. 50w on a FM satellite is more than enough power to
operate efficiently. On SSB is just inconsiderate.
As an Arizona resident, we are under the same restrictions. Not a big deal
for satellites but it can affect EME DXers and other ops working long
distance contacts.
In order to operate over 50w in AZ we need an exemption. N1AV had a good
article on how to request that exemption: http://www.n1rwy.org/?p=504
Have fun and 73!
Fernando, KF7R
On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 9:15 AM Bob Liddy (K8BL) via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Rovers, et al:
>
> Now that it has been determined that there is a limit
> of no more than 50 W, we shouldn't be concerned. No
> Rover would be using anywhere near that power. So,
> let the fun begin!
>
> 73, Bob K8BL
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 09:50:28 AM CST, JamesDuffey via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Brook - Thanks for the reply. I will look for the signs the next time I am
> down there.
>
> I have roved in VHF/UHF contests on US70 from Socorro to Alamogordo, which
> goes through the range, US60 from San Antonio, NM to Carrizozo which skirts
> the northern boundary of the range, and from US54 from El Paso to Carrizozo
> which skirts the eastern edge of the range and also phases through Ft.
> Bliss. I get down that way every couple of years or so and am overdue for
> another rove done that way. If the range is trying to restrict things more
> than are in the regulations, the FCC regional director would be interested.
> - Duffey
>
> James Duffey KK6MC
> Cedar Crest NM
>
> > On Feb 27, 2020, at 08:33, cbs045@???????.??? wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > Hi James,
> >
> > Great information. I remember seeing the signs around White Sands back
> in the late 80's when I lived in ABQ and liked working AO-27 mobile. Last
> time I worked in the area a couple years ago I remember seeing the signs
> again and being surprised they are still there. I think they are located
> near the beginning and end of Route 70 near White Sands and Alamagordo.
> Thanks for the reply.
> >
> > Regards, N8OCX
> >
> >
> > -----------------------------------------
> >
> > From: "JamesDuffey"
> > To: cbs045@???????.???
> > Cc: "Dan Eggert", "amsat-bb@?????.????
> > Sent: Thursday February 27 2020 8:15:48AM
> > Subject: Restrictions to UHF operation at White Sands National Park
> >
> > One can legally operate at 50 Watts output or less on 70cm at the White
> Sands National Park and in the vicinity of White Sands Missile Range, but
> not on the range itself. So, you should be OK for satellite operation from
> the park if you stay under 50 Watts. Output EIRP, that is the the type of
> antenna used, does not matter. Yes, I know that doesn?t make sense. The
> only outright prohibition on amateur operation in that area is on 902MHz.
> >
> > These restrictions are specified in ? FCC ONLINE TABLE OF FREQUENCY
> ALLOCATIONS 47 C.F.R. ? 2.106? footnotes US270 and US275, available on-line
> at
> >
> > < https://transition.fcc.gov/oet/spectrum/table/fcctable.pdf >
> >
> > If there are posted signs indicating otherwise in the public access area
> of White Sands National Park, or public right of way near the White Sands
> MissIle Range, but not on the range itself, indicating otherwise, I would
> like to see a photograph of such a sign with its location clearly
> identified. Of course, on the base proper they can limit your operation as
> they see fit, as you are subject to military oversight there, but for the
> public access to the areas around the range, including the park, the
> restrictions in the table apply. If you are not on the base proper and you
> stick to <50Watts on 70cm and don?t operate on 902MHz, which you don?t need
> to for satellite operation, you should be OK.
> >
> > The operating restrictions around White Sands Missile Range are given in
> footnotes US270 and US275 to :
> >
> > FCC ONLINE TABLE OF FREQUENCY ALLOCATIONS 47 C.F.R. ? 2.106
> > Revised on February 13, 2020
> >
> > US270
> > In the band 420-450 MHz, the following provisions shall apply to the
> amateur service:
> > (a) The peak envelope power of an amateur station shall not exceed 50
> watts in the following areas, unless expressly authorized by the FCC after
> mutual agreement, on a case-by-case basis, between the Regional Director of
> the applicable field office and the military area frequency coordinator at
> the applicable military base. For areas (5) through (7), the appropriate
> military coordinator is located at Peterson AFB,
> > CO.
> > (1) Arizona, Florida and New Mexico.
> > (2) Within those portions of California and Nevada that are south of
> latitude 37? 10' N.
> > (3) Within that portion of Texas that is west of longitude 104? W.
> > (4) Within 322 km of Eglin AFB, FL (30? 30' N, 86? 30' W); Patrick AFB,
> FL (28? 21' N, 80? 43' W);
> > and the Pacific Missile Test Center, Point Mugu, CA (34? 09' N, 119? 11'
> W).
> > (5) Within 240 km of Beale AFB, CA (39? 08' N, 121? 26' W).
> > (6) Within 200 km of Goodfellow AFB, TX (31? 25' N, 100? 24' W) and
> Warner Robins AFB, GA
> > (32? 38' N, 83? 35' W).
> > (7) Within 160 km of Clear AFS, AK (64? 17' N, 149? 10' W); Concrete, ND
> (48? 43' N, 97? 54' W);
> > and Otis AFB, MA (41? 45' N, 70? 32' W).
> > (b) In the sub-band 420-430 MHz, the amateur service is not allocated
> north of Line A (def. ? 2.1).
> >
> > US275
> > The band 902-928 MHz is allocated on a secondary basis to the amateur
> service subject to not causing harmful interference to the operations of
> Federal stations authorized in this band or to Location and Monitoring
> Service (LMS) systems. Stations in the amateur service must tolerate any
> interference from the operations of industrial, scientific, and medical
> (ISM) devices, LMS systems, and the operations of Federal stations
> authorized in this band. Further, the amateur service is prohibited in
> those portions of Texas and New Mexico bounded on the south by latitude 31?
> 41' North, on the east by longitude 104? 11' West, and on the north by
> latitude 34? 30' North, and on the west by longitude 107? 30' West; in
> addition, outside this area but within 150 miles of these boundaries of
> White Sands Missile Range the service is restricted to a maximum
> transmitter peak envelope power output of 50 watts.
> >
> > This is an issue that we VHF/UHF operators in New Mexico and the
> southwest have to cope with. The table is revised every six months, the
> latest revision being issued two weeks ago. I review each release to see if
> things change. The FCC is willing to grant exemptions to the restrictions
> on a case by case basis, is interested in not making the restrictions
> tighter than they need to be, and to keep an amateur presence on the band.
> If the range is trying to impose tighter restrictions than are allowed in
> the table, in the public access areas around, but not in the range, the
> FCC would be very interested in learning this.
> >
> > I hope that this helps. There is a slightly more detailed discussion of
> this at:
> >
> > < http://www.nmvhf.org/restrictions.pdf >
> >
> > In addition to that tome, there is a lot of good information about
> operating UHF and VHF in NM at NMVHF.org - Duffey
> >
> > James Duffey KK6MC
> > Cedar Crest NM
> >
> >>> On Feb 27, 2020, at 06:43, Brook Smith via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> >>>
> >> ?
> >>
> >> Hello Dan,
> >>
> >> The entire area around White Sands and the Holloman AFB have posted
> >> signs restricting use of UHF transmissions including frequencies used
> >> for amateur satellite uplinks.
> >>
> >> If you are planning to uplink on L mode, 1267.359, you should have no
> >> problem.
> >>
> >> Just trying to help you avoid an unexpected visit from Military
> >> Police.
> >>
> >> Good Luck and have fun.
> >>
> >> Brook Smith - N8OCX
> >>
> >> -----------------------------------------From: "Dan Eggert via
> >> AMSAT-BB"
> >> To: amsat-bb@?????.???
> >> Cc:
> >> Sent: Wednesday February 26 2020 8:36:39PM
> >> Subject: [amsat-bb] Rove to White Sands National Park in DM62
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> On Friday the 28th I will be at White Sands National Park in Grid
> >> DM62. You will hear me on the AO-91 passes at 17:13 and 1847 UTC, and
> >> the AO-92 passes at 17:26 and 19:02 UTC.
> >>
> >> Dan Eggert - AC9E
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 11:27:12 -0800
From: KI7UNJ Tucker <ki7unj@?????.???>
To: Steve Kristoff <skristof@???????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] APRS sats with the TH-D74A?
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Amsat has a article on just this thought....
https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/AMSAT_Journal_Kenwo
odHT_Packet.pdf
There is many articles that are posted on the Amsat "Station and Operating
Hints" page for many of the common questions and ideas on how to get
started.
https://www.amsat.org/station-and-operating-hints/
On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 11:07 AM Steve Kristoff via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> Is anyone using the Kenwood TH-D74A, say with an Arrow antenna, to work
> the APRS sats (ISS, AISAT, etc.)? If so, what are your thoughts? Is it
> worth a try?
> Steve AI9IN
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 16:36:30 -0500
From: Michael Walker <va3mw@??????????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] SATpc32 and IC-9700 operational question
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Question on operational methods as I am a new to Linear Satellite QSO's.
I have an IC-9700 with a tracking antenna using SATpc32. All work just
fine.
As soon as I am able to access the bird, I 'net' my frequency so I can hear
myself naturally by tuning in the SATpc32 CAT menu as outlined in the
manual.
I have made a number of qso's and some it is clear they are SATpc32 to
adjust both the the both VFO's so that the frequency at the satellite
remains the same.
However, in other QSO's I have let SATpc32 do its thing, adjusting the
VFO's while using the RIT of the radio to chase the other station. That
results in our QSO taking up more and more of the bird's bandwidth.
My ask to the seasoned group here is am I doing it the right way or is
there different schools of thought on this? It seems like you'd want both
parties on the same frequency at the satellite at the same time.
Thanks in advance and I appreciate any Elmering
Mike va3mw
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