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Today's Topics:
1. Re: We Need FM Birds (Hasan al-Basri)
2. Re: We Need FM Birds (Bob Hammond)
3. Poor Operators (Brad Smith)
4. Re: Poor Operators (Mike Wilhelm)
5. FM birds (Russ Kinner)
6. Re: Poor Operators (Glenn Miller - AA5PK)
7. Re: Poor Operators (Isaac C)
8. Re: Poor Operators (Isaac C)
9. Re: Poor Operators (John Kludt)
10. Re: Poor Operators (John Geiger)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 11:04:31 -0500
From: Hasan al-Basri <hbasri.schiers6@?????.???>
To: Brad Smith <corlissbs@???.???>
Cc: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] We Need FM Birds
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Brad,
I don't think anyone was making the point that FM birds aren't useful, fun
and needed. What some people have observed is how congested they can be and
what poor operating practices result in. (and are all too common on the FM
birds, especially on weekends.)
The same people that make FM birds difficult for the portable ops, take
those same bad habits to the Linear Birds when they get a 9700, only they
add-in the inability to stay on frequency (doppler) on top of it.
Forgetting about the linear birds for the moment, the FM birds are
suffering from a lack of Elmering. It is so easy to get on, with no
background on how to do it, that the baseline noise encourages people who
have power and antennas, to use them to overcome the rubbish. The thought
of the guy with an Arrow and an H/T standing in his drive is far, far from
the mind of those people.
We need feedback, we need to exercise patience and not just keep keying up
trying to get that new grid. *We need to leave 'holes' not only for the
portable stations to get in with*, but also home stations using a simple
1/4w vertical for 2m. *We need to let people finish a started contact.*
If you hear a station clearly responding to another station (they are
actually 'in contact'), please ...there is no nice way to put this: shut up.
Let them finish, don't start calling someone else right on top of them.
Don't say you don't hear them...bull. I've watched it. The station in qso
is full quieting. The respondent is full quieting. Some knucklehead, also
full quieting starts calling another station. Too bad, so sad, they don't
care...they just gotta have that new grid, and "I'm not gonna be worried
about you not being able to finish a contact."
*This is commonplace on the FM birds,* I'm sorry to say and it is caused by
the scarcity of the resource and the poor operating habits of many in the
user community. *Until we set good examples, provide feedback (including
emailing the offenders), and educate new users. the problem is not going
away.*
...and one other aside. Working the linear birds requires considerably more
technical skill than working the FM Birds. This should not degenerate into
an FM vs. Linear satellite rivalry. They require completely different skill
sets and manifest some different problems.
Having and using an SDR does not make one an elitist or snob, nor does it
take massive investment, but it does permit you to be a more proficient and
considerate operator.
SDRs are far from elitist. If you have an SDR, you can operate far more
considerately than those using a box-radio that cannot see the beacons and
the passband at the same time. Not being able to see the beacon and the
passband at the same time is a disaster on the linear birds. It has always
been so, since AO-6. That is where the "rule" don't be louder than the
beacon came from, over 30 years ago.
But, that's a discussion for another day in a different thread.
73, N0AN
Hasan
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 10:04 AM Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> <Hopefully, AMSAT and other entities will continue to make available FM
> satellites as well as more SSB satellites and APRS satellites, so everyone
> who wants to participate will have that opportunity.Steve AI9IN>
> I echo what Steve said. Those of us who love to rove and work outdoors
> enjoy the FM birds. We may not have the huge, rotatable and elevating,
> computer controlled antenna system, connected to a 9700 in a permanent
> shack, with SDR and thus to some hams may be just "little people," but we
> have fun with the FM birds. When it ceases to become fun, I get another
> hobby. I am a minimalist and love working portable, with an D72 or other
> smaller radio. I do not understand why any manufacturer would have made a
> radio that put out 75-100 watts in FM satellite mode. I have worked the
> birds since 2013, both linear and FM. The FM birds are just plain FUN and
> can get a person a lot of new grids, which is fun too. Please, guys, keep
> your power down, so we portables can have a chance to get in and mostly,
> give us a space to get in. Brad KC9UQR
>
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 09:27:13 -0700
From: Bob Hammond <propgrinder@?????.???>
To: Brad Smith <corlissbs@???.???>, amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] We Need FM Birds
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Hi Brad,
Your points are very well taken. Being one of those who ".... huge,
rotatable and elevating, computer controlled antenna system, connected to a
9700 in a permanent shack, with SDR.....", I sure don't consider anyone
without the above equipment as "little people".
I dial down the RF power of my 9700 to an indicated 10% for ALL satellite
operations. This means my antenna output is less than 10W given coax line
losses.
I began in satellites with an ICOM IC-Z1A and Arrow antenna in 2000. That
was, and still is, a lot of fun. I plan to do more with that setup when
camping in remote spots and grid squares.
73,
Bob W7OTJ
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 8:04 AM Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> <Hopefully, AMSAT and other entities will continue to make available FM
> satellites as well as more SSB satellites and APRS satellites, so everyone
> who wants to participate will have that opportunity.Steve AI9IN>
> I echo what Steve said. Those of us who love to rove and work outdoors
> enjoy the FM birds. We may not have the huge, rotatable and elevating,
> computer controlled antenna system, connected to a 9700 in a permanent
> shack, with SDR and thus to some hams may be just "little people," but we
> have fun with the FM birds. When it ceases to become fun, I get another
> hobby. I am a minimalist and love working portable, with an D72 or other
> smaller radio. I do not understand why any manufacturer would have made a
> radio that put out 75-100 watts in FM satellite mode. I have worked the
> birds since 2013, both linear and FM. The FM birds are just plain FUN and
> can get a person a lot of new grids, which is fun too. Please, guys, keep
> your power down, so we portables can have a chance to get in and mostly,
> give us a space to get in. Brad KC9UQR
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 17:22:37 +0000 (UTC)
From: Brad Smith <corlissbs@???.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] Poor Operators
Message-ID: <2098425676.949933.1584638557721@????.?????.???>
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I am a minimalist because I want to be a minimalist. I understand that the
FM bird is nothing more than a repeater and the strongest signal takes the
bird, even if someone else is talking. "Someone else is talking" is the rude
part. Last weekend, I was chasing a rover and got "KC9" out and into the
bird (I work full duplux, so know that I was in) and someone took over by
stepping on me. Luckily, I got him anyway, but someone was high power and
more important than me. That's the way contesters work. But, I don't want to
plaster someone's call on the board. I just hope that the person is a member
and thinks about it. Getting into a peeing contest with someone is not
beneficial to anybody, including the hobby. It used to be that if one said
"handheld" or "portable" guys would give them a break, but that doesn't
happen anymore. The birds are too crowded for that. There are several people
in my ham clubs that want to try satellite operation and myself and my
friend Rick (WA9JBQ) loves to
mentor them and teach them the proper way to operate. Not everyone has this
benefit. I don't know what the answer is. Last Spring one ham was an
extremely poor operator on the birds, but is now a better operator. So,
something works. But there is always the tendency to crank up the power to
get the station that you want, if you have the power available. It is like
guys who I know that run 1,500 watts on FT8 to get what they want. I guess
it is going to happen and we have to live with that fact.
As soon as I solve my equipment problem with my 847 and the weather turns
warmer, I will be back on the linear birds. I sure do miss FO-29. Brad KC9UQR
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:16:53 -0500
From: Mike Wilhelm <af5at.radio@?????.???>
To: Brad Smith <corlissbs@???.???>
Cc: Amsat - BBs <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Poor Operators
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I've been collecting equipment and waiting for the right time to try and
get on a bird. Life is too busy...
Anyway, it might be helpful if there were a few audio examples we could
pass on to newbies and uninformed operators of good and bad operating. I
would recommend beeping out any parts of the call sign for any examples of
poor operation. I'd sure like to hear them. Maybe even post them to a
section on the AMSAT page covering operating? I apologize if this is
already out there...back to that too busy thing again. I haven't had many
opportunities to take my FT-470 outside with my Arrow and chase a bird.
The QSOs I've heard seem like they go so fast and I'd hate to annoy anyone
by being the slowpoke.
73! Mike AF5AT
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 12:52 PM Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> I am a minimalist because I want to be a minimalist. I understand that the
> FM bird is nothing more than a repeater and the strongest signal takes the
> bird, even if someone else is talking. "Someone else is talking" is the
> rude part. Last weekend, I was chasing a rover and got "KC9" out and into
> the bird (I work full duplux, so know that I was in) and someone took over
> by stepping on me. Luckily, I got him anyway, but someone was high power
> and more important than me. That's the way contesters work. But, I don't
> want to plaster someone's call on the board. I just hope that the person is
> a member and thinks about it. Getting into a peeing contest with someone is
> not beneficial to anybody, including the hobby. It used to be that if one
> said "handheld" or "portable" guys would give them a break, but that
> doesn't happen anymore. The birds are too crowded for that. There are
> several people in my ham clubs that want to try satellite operation and
> myself and my friend Rick (WA9JBQ) loves to
> mentor them and teach them the proper way to operate. Not everyone has
> this benefit. I don't know what the answer is. Last Spring one ham was an
> extremely poor operator on the birds, but is now a better operator. So,
> something works. But there is always the tendency to crank up the power to
> get the station that you want, if you have the power available. It is like
> guys who I know that run 1,500 watts on FT8 to get what they want. I guess
> it is going to happen and we have to live with that fact.
>
> As soon as I solve my equipment problem with my 847 and the weather turns
> warmer, I will be back on the linear birds. I sure do miss FO-29. Brad
> KC9UQR
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 09:16:52 -0700
From: Russ Kinner <wizardofzid@?????.???>
To: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM birds
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I have just gotten back into satellites and eventually will go full tilt
with PC control and an all mode rig but for the moment the cost factor needs
to be addressed (I've just retired so I have the time but limited funds). I
have still worked 34 grids and as far away as EL97 from DM33 in 6 weeks of
on air time with only FM. Sure, I've heard the occasional Lid and one guy
who seems to go key down and never say a word on AO-92 on the late evening
pass but guys work thru the best and worst of it. That is part of the
challenge.
I'm sure I've caused a bit of QRM getting started and not hearing the output
but there are good mentors that do help with the new guys. SSB is coming
and all the additional requirements it takes but without the FM birds, I
doubt I'd have ventured into Satellites at all.
Rusty, WA8ZID
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:36:38 -0500
From: "Glenn Miller - AA5PK" <aa5pk@??????????.???>
To: "Mike Wilhelm" <af5at.radio@?????.???>, "Brad Smith"
<corlissbs@???.???>, "AMSAT BBS" <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Poor Operators
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John K8YSE has many satellite pass recordings posted on his site.
Most show good operating practices as these are mainly older recordings
before the avalanche of new ops.
< http://www.papays.com/sat/general.html>
Glenn
AA5PK
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 14:52:46 -0400
From: Isaac C <shorenicehere@?????.???>
To: Mike Wilhelm <af5at.radio@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Poor Operators
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Mike,
I am Isaac, W4ITC, grid FM14.
I am maybe two weeks ahead of you in the newbie category. I just got my
first QSO/QSL on March 12.
I connected with W0NBC.
After me, you can hear WB3CSY do an expert connection with someone else. I
listened to many passed before I was brave enough to talk. It probably
shows.
My rig is qty 2 Baofengs @ 5w with a WA5VJB home-made antenna.
Best luck.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/14YSF3hL6NBtRMkcw3gDcx8VURQ3dBUNl/view?usp=dri
vesdk
On Thursday, March 19, 2020, Mike Wilhelm via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> I've been collecting equipment and waiting for the right time to try and
> get on a bird. Life is too busy...
> Anyway, it might be helpful if there were a few audio examples we could
> pass on to newbies and uninformed operators of good and bad operating. I
> would recommend beeping out any parts of the call sign for any examples of
> poor operation. I'd sure like to hear them. Maybe even post them to a
> section on the AMSAT page covering operating? I apologize if this is
> already out there...back to that too busy thing again. I haven't had many
> opportunities to take my FT-470 outside with my Arrow and chase a bird.
> The QSOs I've heard seem like they go so fast and I'd hate to annoy anyone
> by being the slowpoke.
> 73! Mike AF5AT
>
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 12:52 PM Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???>
> wrote:
>
> > I am a minimalist because I want to be a minimalist. I understand that
> the
> > FM bird is nothing more than a repeater and the strongest signal takes
> the
> > bird, even if someone else is talking. "Someone else is talking" is the
> > rude part. Last weekend, I was chasing a rover and got "KC9" out and into
> > the bird (I work full duplux, so know that I was in) and someone took
> over
> > by stepping on me. Luckily, I got him anyway, but someone was high power
> > and more important than me. That's the way contesters work. But, I don't
> > want to plaster someone's call on the board. I just hope that the person
> is
> > a member and thinks about it. Getting into a peeing contest with someone
> is
> > not beneficial to anybody, including the hobby. It used to be that if one
> > said "handheld" or "portable" guys would give them a break, but that
> > doesn't happen anymore. The birds are too crowded for that. There are
> > several people in my ham clubs that want to try satellite operation and
> > myself and my friend Rick (WA9JBQ) loves to
> > mentor them and teach them the proper way to operate. Not everyone has
> > this benefit. I don't know what the answer is. Last Spring one ham was an
> > extremely poor operator on the birds, but is now a better operator. So,
> > something works. But there is always the tendency to crank up the power
> to
> > get the station that you want, if you have the power available. It is
> like
> > guys who I know that run 1,500 watts on FT8 to get what they want. I
> guess
> > it is going to happen and we have to live with that fact.
> >
> > As soon as I solve my equipment problem with my 847 and the weather turns
> > warmer, I will be back on the linear birds. I sure do miss FO-29. Brad
> > KC9UQR
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 14:58:34 -0400
From: Isaac C <shorenicehere@?????.???>
To: Mike Wilhelm <af5at.radio@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Poor Operators
Message-ID:
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ps -. it was SO-50, pass 11:58 local time, Mar 12.
On Thursday, March 19, 2020, Isaac C <shorenicehere@?????.???> wrote:
> Mike,
> I am Isaac, W4ITC, grid FM14.
> I am maybe two weeks ahead of you in the newbie category. I just got my
> first QSO/QSL on March 12.
> I connected with W0NBC.
> After me, you can hear WB3CSY do an expert connection with someone else.
> I listened to many passed before I was brave enough to talk. It probably
> shows.
> My rig is qty 2 Baofengs @ 5w with a WA5VJB home-made antenna.
>
> Best luck.
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/14YSF3hL6NBtRMkcw3gDcx8VURQ3dB
> UNl/view?usp=drivesdk
>
>
> On Thursday, March 19, 2020, Mike Wilhelm via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> wrote:
>
>> I've been collecting equipment and waiting for the right time to try and
>> get on a bird. Life is too busy...
>> Anyway, it might be helpful if there were a few audio examples we could
>> pass on to newbies and uninformed operators of good and bad operating. I
>> would recommend beeping out any parts of the call sign for any examples of
>> poor operation. I'd sure like to hear them. Maybe even post them to a
>> section on the AMSAT page covering operating? I apologize if this is
>> already out there...back to that too busy thing again. I haven't had many
>> opportunities to take my FT-470 outside with my Arrow and chase a bird.
>> The QSOs I've heard seem like they go so fast and I'd hate to annoy anyone
>> by being the slowpoke.
>> 73! Mike AF5AT
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 12:52 PM Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB <
>> amsat-bb@?????.???>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I am a minimalist because I want to be a minimalist. I understand that
>> the
>> > FM bird is nothing more than a repeater and the strongest signal takes
>> the
>> > bird, even if someone else is talking. "Someone else is talking" is the
>> > rude part. Last weekend, I was chasing a rover and got "KC9" out and
>> into
>> > the bird (I work full duplux, so know that I was in) and someone took
>> over
>> > by stepping on me. Luckily, I got him anyway, but someone was high power
>> > and more important than me. That's the way contesters work. But, I don't
>> > want to plaster someone's call on the board. I just hope that the
>> person is
>> > a member and thinks about it. Getting into a peeing contest with
>> someone is
>> > not beneficial to anybody, including the hobby. It used to be that if
>> one
>> > said "handheld" or "portable" guys would give them a break, but that
>> > doesn't happen anymore. The birds are too crowded for that. There are
>> > several people in my ham clubs that want to try satellite operation and
>> > myself and my friend Rick (WA9JBQ) loves to
>> > mentor them and teach them the proper way to operate. Not everyone has
>> > this benefit. I don't know what the answer is. Last Spring one ham was
>> an
>> > extremely poor operator on the birds, but is now a better operator. So,
>> > something works. But there is always the tendency to crank up the power
>> to
>> > get the station that you want, if you have the power available. It is
>> like
>> > guys who I know that run 1,500 watts on FT8 to get what they want. I
>> guess
>> > it is going to happen and we have to live with that fact.
>> >
>> > As soon as I solve my equipment problem with my 847 and the weather
>> turns
>> > warmer, I will be back on the linear birds. I sure do miss FO-29. Brad
>> > KC9UQR
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions
>> > expressed
>> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> > AMSAT-NA.
>> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> program!
>> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 15:36:55 -0400
From: John Kludt <johnnykludt@?????.???>
To: Isaac C <shorenicehere@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Poor Operators
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All,
There is another practice that I have not seen addressed here that makes
thing really tough - talking way too fast. I understand the reason but
fast talking just leads to the request for repeats which means more traffic
and/or busted Q's. So in addition to turn down the power how about
talking just a little slowly and more clearly?
Just a suggestion.
John K4SQC
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:03 PM Isaac C via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> ps -. it was SO-50, pass 11:58 local time, Mar 12.
>
> On Thursday, March 19, 2020, Isaac C <shorenicehere@?????.???> wrote:
>
> > Mike,
> > I am Isaac, W4ITC, grid FM14.
> > I am maybe two weeks ahead of you in the newbie category. I just got my
> > first QSO/QSL on March 12.
> > I connected with W0NBC.
> > After me, you can hear WB3CSY do an expert connection with someone else.
> > I listened to many passed before I was brave enough to talk. It probably
> > shows.
> > My rig is qty 2 Baofengs @ 5w with a WA5VJB home-made antenna.
> >
> > Best luck.
> >
> > https://drive.google.com/file/d/14YSF3hL6NBtRMkcw3gDcx8VURQ3dB
> > UNl/view?usp=drivesdk
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, March 19, 2020, Mike Wilhelm via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I've been collecting equipment and waiting for the right time to try and
> >> get on a bird. Life is too busy...
> >> Anyway, it might be helpful if there were a few audio examples we could
> >> pass on to newbies and uninformed operators of good and bad operating.
> I
> >> would recommend beeping out any parts of the call sign for any examples
> of
> >> poor operation. I'd sure like to hear them. Maybe even post them to a
> >> section on the AMSAT page covering operating? I apologize if this is
> >> already out there...back to that too busy thing again. I haven't had
> many
> >> opportunities to take my FT-470 outside with my Arrow and chase a bird.
> >> The QSOs I've heard seem like they go so fast and I'd hate to annoy
> anyone
> >> by being the slowpoke.
> >> 73! Mike AF5AT
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 12:52 PM Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB <
> >> amsat-bb@?????.???>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I am a minimalist because I want to be a minimalist. I understand that
> >> the
> >> > FM bird is nothing more than a repeater and the strongest signal takes
> >> the
> >> > bird, even if someone else is talking. "Someone else is talking" is
> the
> >> > rude part. Last weekend, I was chasing a rover and got "KC9" out and
> >> into
> >> > the bird (I work full duplux, so know that I was in) and someone took
> >> over
> >> > by stepping on me. Luckily, I got him anyway, but someone was high
> power
> >> > and more important than me. That's the way contesters work. But, I
> don't
> >> > want to plaster someone's call on the board. I just hope that the
> >> person is
> >> > a member and thinks about it. Getting into a peeing contest with
> >> someone is
> >> > not beneficial to anybody, including the hobby. It used to be that if
> >> one
> >> > said "handheld" or "portable" guys would give them a break, but that
> >> > doesn't happen anymore. The birds are too crowded for that. There are
> >> > several people in my ham clubs that want to try satellite operation
> and
> >> > myself and my friend Rick (WA9JBQ) loves to
> >> > mentor them and teach them the proper way to operate. Not everyone
> has
> >> > this benefit. I don't know what the answer is. Last Spring one ham was
> >> an
> >> > extremely poor operator on the birds, but is now a better operator.
> So,
> >> > something works. But there is always the tendency to crank up the
> power
> >> to
> >> > get the station that you want, if you have the power available. It is
> >> like
> >> > guys who I know that run 1,500 watts on FT8 to get what they want. I
> >> guess
> >> > it is going to happen and we have to live with that fact.
> >> >
> >> > As soon as I solve my equipment problem with my 847 and the weather
> >> turns
> >> > warmer, I will be back on the linear birds. I sure do miss FO-29. Brad
> >> > KC9UQR
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 14:49:27 -0500
From: John Geiger <af5cc2@?????.???>
To: John Kludt <johnnykludt@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Poor Operators
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Using phonetics can really help also, especially if you have letters that
sound alike in your call, such as T and D.
73 John W5TD
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 2:40 PM John Kludt via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> All,
>
> There is another practice that I have not seen addressed here that makes
> thing really tough - talking way too fast. I understand the reason but
> fast talking just leads to the request for repeats which means more traffic
> and/or busted Q's. So in addition to turn down the power how about
> talking just a little slowly and more clearly?
>
> Just a suggestion.
>
> John K4SQC
>
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:03 PM Isaac C via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> wrote:
>
> > ps -. it was SO-50, pass 11:58 local time, Mar 12.
> >
> > On Thursday, March 19, 2020, Isaac C <shorenicehere@?????.???> wrote:
> >
> > > Mike,
> > > I am Isaac, W4ITC, grid FM14.
> > > I am maybe two weeks ahead of you in the newbie category. I just got my
> > > first QSO/QSL on March 12.
> > > I connected with W0NBC.
> > > After me, you can hear WB3CSY do an expert connection with someone
> else.
> > > I listened to many passed before I was brave enough to talk. It
> probably
> > > shows.
> > > My rig is qty 2 Baofengs @ 5w with a WA5VJB home-made antenna.
> > >
> > > Best luck.
> > >
> > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/14YSF3hL6NBtRMkcw3gDcx8VURQ3dB
> > > UNl/view?usp=drivesdk
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thursday, March 19, 2020, Mike Wilhelm via AMSAT-BB <
> > amsat-bb@?????.???>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I've been collecting equipment and waiting for the right time to try
> and
> > >> get on a bird. Life is too busy...
> > >> Anyway, it might be helpful if there were a few audio examples we
> could
> > >> pass on to newbies and uninformed operators of good and bad operating.
> > I
> > >> would recommend beeping out any parts of the call sign for any
> examples
> > of
> > >> poor operation. I'd sure like to hear them. Maybe even post them to
> a
> > >> section on the AMSAT page covering operating? I apologize if this is
> > >> already out there...back to that too busy thing again. I haven't had
> > many
> > >> opportunities to take my FT-470 outside with my Arrow and chase a
> bird.
> > >> The QSOs I've heard seem like they go so fast and I'd hate to annoy
> > anyone
> > >> by being the slowpoke.
> > >> 73! Mike AF5AT
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 12:52 PM Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB <
> > >> amsat-bb@?????.???>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I am a minimalist because I want to be a minimalist. I understand
> that
> > >> the
> > >> > FM bird is nothing more than a repeater and the strongest signal
> takes
> > >> the
> > >> > bird, even if someone else is talking. "Someone else is talking" is
> > the
> > >> > rude part. Last weekend, I was chasing a rover and got "KC9" out and
> > >> into
> > >> > the bird (I work full duplux, so know that I was in) and someone
> took
> > >> over
> > >> > by stepping on me. Luckily, I got him anyway, but someone was high
> > power
> > >> > and more important than me. That's the way contesters work. But, I
> > don't
> > >> > want to plaster someone's call on the board. I just hope that the
> > >> person is
> > >> > a member and thinks about it. Getting into a peeing contest with
> > >> someone is
> > >> > not beneficial to anybody, including the hobby. It used to be that
> if
> > >> one
> > >> > said "handheld" or "portable" guys would give them a break, but that
> > >> > doesn't happen anymore. The birds are too crowded for that. There
> are
> > >> > several people in my ham clubs that want to try satellite operation
> > and
> > >> > myself and my friend Rick (WA9JBQ) loves to
> > >> > mentor them and teach them the proper way to operate. Not everyone
> > has
> > >> > this benefit. I don't know what the answer is. Last Spring one ham
> was
> > >> an
> > >> > extremely poor operator on the birds, but is now a better operator.
> > So,
> > >> > something works. But there is always the tendency to crank up the
> > power
> > >> to
> > >> > get the station that you want, if you have the power available. It
> is
> > >> like
> > >> > guys who I know that run 1,500 watts on FT8 to get what they want. I
> > >> guess
> > >> > it is going to happen and we have to live with that fact.
> > >> >
> > >> > As soon as I solve my equipment problem with my 847 and the weather
> > >> turns
> > >> > warmer, I will be back on the linear birds. I sure do miss FO-29.
> Brad
> > >> > KC9UQR
> > >> > _______________________________________________
> > >> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
> available
> > >> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > >> Opinions
> > >> > expressed
> > >> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
> views
> > of
> > >> > AMSAT-NA.
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