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Today's Topics:
1. IC-475H CI-V questions (Ron VE8RT)
2. A Critique on Operations of the FM Birds (Brad Smith)
3. Re: IC-475H CI-V questions - sorted out? (Ron VE8RT)
4. Re: Poor Operators (Burns Fisher)
5. AMSAT Freq Guide April 2019 (Ron VE8RT)
6. Re: AMSAT Freq Guide April 2019 (Paul Stoetzer)
7. Re: Poor Operators (Chris Hoffman)
8. odd phenomena AO7 ? (Ron VE8RT)
9. Re: Poor Operators (Bob Liddy (K8BL))
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 23:00:18 -0600
From: Ron VE8RT <ve8rt@?????.??>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] IC-475H CI-V questions
Message-ID: <20200406230018.47c83b09036dffb50d818a75@?????.??>
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I've recently came into an IC-475H that I'd like to use as the uplink
on linear sats. But I'm having some trouble getting the CAT control to
work. I'm using grig instead of going in/out of Gpredict just to test
the CI-V link.
I thought that this should work in grig:
grig -m 307 -r /dev/ttyUSB1 -s 1200 -c 14
but it doesn't seem to connect. I have visually verified in the 475
the switch settings for the address and speed, they're set to default
$14 1200 baud. With nothing connected the DC voltage on the remote
output is about 2.0VDC which agrees with the schematic.
I'm hoping that there is something I've overlooked. The interface
with grig works with my IC-R7000
grig -m 340 -r /dev/ttyUSB1 -s 1200 -c 08
Ron VE8RT
--
Ron VE8RT <ve8rt@?????.??>
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 14:31:04 +0000 (UTC)
From: Brad Smith <corlissbs@???.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] A Critique on Operations of the FM Birds
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My 2 cents worth of opinion, given free. I own both the Alinco DJ-G7 and
Kenwood D72. There is no comparison between the two radios. The Alinco has
desense problems, so one still has to use two radios to work full duplex.
Where the Alinco shines, is that it can do L/v on AO-92, but still with
another radio for down link to hear it best. Save your money for a D710,
unless you are looking for L/v!
50 watts?? I think that if you check the specs of the new 9700 radio, it
puts out more than 50 watts. Couple that to a 30 db gain yagi antenna any
one can "rule the airwaves." Yes, please give us portable and handheld hams
a break. But the offenders probably are not on this message board. As
portables, we try to do the best we can. I do throw my call out once during
most passes that I work, because I know that hams need some of the grids
that i work from when I rove. I learned that by Gridmaster. I am happy to
give someone a grid by appointment.
I began working the FM and linear birds in 2013. It has always been a "good
old boys club" on the birds. Guys saying "Hi" to their friends and it isn't
going to change. I remember Uncle Frank being the center of attention on
each pass and there was a "Breakfast Club." It was fun back then. Yes, the
birds were much less busy, but not much has or will change other than the
amount of people trying to get into a bird. PO-101 seems to be that way now.
Why does one permanent shack station, with high power have to dominate a
pass? Especially when a rover is on. Make one contact and let people get the
rover. Just because you may not collect grids, a lot of others do.
I, personally am unhappy with what I am hearing on the FM birds and it is
not the guys saying "Hi" to their friends. There is a lot more going on our
there.
There are some very poor operators out there and I believe, some jammers
with open mics, etc. That part is sad and has gotten worse, lately.
Again,just my opinion and thank you for letting me voice it. Brad Smith KC9UQR
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 10:13:07 -0600
From: Ron VE8RT <ve8rt@?????.??>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] IC-475H CI-V questions - sorted out?
Message-ID: <20200407101307.36978fe2bb1b0d25c500497f@?????.??>
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Thanks for the private e-mails, the CI-V is now working. too my
surprise invoking grig or rigctld would not work until I dropped the
CI-V address in the command line. Without -c14 (or -c anything) it
worked. I have more questions, now that I can follow the Doppler
shift, in a subsequent post.
Going to try in a minute or two on XW-2
Ron VE8RT DP22
On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 23:00:18 -0600
Ron VE8RT via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> I've recently came into an IC-475H that I'd like to use as the uplink
> on linear sats. But I'm having some trouble getting the CAT control to
> work. I'm using grig instead of going in/out of Gpredict just to test
> the CI-V link.
>
> I thought that this should work in grig:
> grig -m 307 -r /dev/ttyUSB1 -s 1200 -c 14
>
> but it doesn't seem to connect. I have visually verified in the 475
> the switch settings for the address and speed, they're set to default
> $14 1200 baud. With nothing connected the DC voltage on the remote
> output is about 2.0VDC which agrees with the schematic.
>
> I'm hoping that there is something I've overlooked. The interface
> with grig works with my IC-R7000
> grig -m 340 -r /dev/ttyUSB1 -s 1200 -c 08
>
> Ron VE8RT
>
> --
> Ron VE8RT <ve8rt@?????.??>
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 12:21:52 -0400
From: Burns Fisher <wb1fj-bb@??????.??>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Poor Operators
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I agree that "never" is too strong. I've used this example before, but--a
few years ago, I set up a sched with a friend in Ontario to talk briefly
with my grandson so the grandson could have a chance to do a satellite and
get a QSL card and maybe plant a seed of interest in amateur radio. It all
came off, they spent maybe 30 sec talking, and then we signed off and
thanked everyone for making a 8-year-old's day. Those who were waiting
were kind and considerate. I would not do that if there was a rover on, of
course, but once in a while, I think it is fair to make an exception for a
kid, a class, a demo, etc.
On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 11:13 PM Chris Hoffman, KG6O via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> I agree ?Never? is incredibly strong. Perhaps ?...should be avoided if at
> all possible...??
>
> In my opinion, the problem is not QRM or congestion. The problem is
> welcomeness.
>
> The problem is that new operators continually hear banter and ?... it?s a
> nice morning here, Bob...? then when they try to squeeze in a contact
> ?after the conversation is over? they are instead crushed by other
> operators also trying to respect boundaries on an 8min pass.
>
> The problem is that new operators have told me they perceive what are
> obviously repeated contacts as an expression of territory, and they put
> down the antenna for good.
>
> The problem is the assumption that it?s ?...NOT a busy pass.? That very
> idea serves to disenfranchise, devalue, and repel new operators, making it
> a self-fulfilling prophecy. Save Repeated Contacts ?short or long? for
> EMail or HF: it should ALWAYS be considered to be a ?busy pass? until we
> have available passes every 5 minutes.
>
> I challenge the experienced ?regular? operators to stay off the PTT,
> listen for the new contacts that will inevitably show up, and remember
> that ?in the aggregate? any open transponder time is an invitation for new
> operators.
>
> /CH
> KG6O
> kg6o@????.???
>
> > On Mar 24, 2020, at 19:06, Bob Liddy (K8BL) via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> >
> > ? It all depends on the situation. If it is a busy pass and others are
> > trying to make a QSO with a specific station since they are a Rover
> > or DX or rare somehow or New, just step aside if you don't need or
> > want that station. If it is NOT a busy pass, there should be no problem
> > with calling any station for any reason as long as you are not QRMing
> > an existing QSO in progress. How easy is it to just LISTEN and hear
> > what is going on and act accordingly? Just like on other Bands or
> > Modes or Repeaters, DON'T transmit on top of a busy frequency. BTW,
> > if you can't hear other stations or the Beacon on a pass, it would not
> > be good to do a lot of transmitting since you may be causing a lot of
> > QRM to other users. Listening to several passes without hearing other
> > stations probably indicates you have a RX problem. When setting up
> > a station, always make sure you are hearing well before ever trying
> > to transmit.
> >
> > GL/73/Enjoy, Bob K8BL
> > On Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 07:46:00 PM EDT, Brian Wilkins KO4AQF
> via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> >
> > I would not make this one a rule either especially since some rove to
> > multiple grids. It has to be handled by the operator on a case by case
> > basis. Also the called operator does not have to respond either if this
> is
> > a problem.
> >
> > Brian Wilkins
> > KO4AQF
> >
> >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:16 AM Roy Dean via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>
> >>> - problem #2 is about reducing congestion. It was discussed at length
> >>> right here last year or so, and the bottom line was to never work a
> >> station
> >>> if you have already worked them before. Let others get a chance.
> >>
> >>
> >> "Never" is a powerful word. There are plenty of passes that I've worked
> >> in the past in which the only operators on the pass are ones that I've
> >> worked plenty of times before. Weekday morning passes are typical
> >> examples. I would suggest leaving this rule out, or at least modifying
> it
> >> appropriately (however I think Sean's published work already suggests
> good
> >> operating habits that cover this).
> >>
> >> --Roy
> >> K3RLD
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> >> expressed
> >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> >> AMSAT-NA.
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> >>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 10:24:07 -0600
From: Ron VE8RT <ve8rt@?????.??>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Freq Guide April 2019
Message-ID: <20200407102407.716badba2c1c09998193b1bb@?????.??>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
I rely a lot on the AMSAT frequency guide, to at least double check
the software (GPredict). There are several satillites listed on the
April 2019 (latest guide I have) that I have no data for, TLE's or
transponder. Maybe if I'd been following this list more closely I'd be
up to date. They are no longer in service, or would I find them
identified as something else?
My 475 CAT control worked very well on the latest pass of XW-2B, too
bad I couldn't hear anyone else on the west coast.
Ron VE8RT
--
Ron VE8RT <ve8rt@?????.??>
------------------------------
Message: 6
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 13:08:35 -0400
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@????.???>
To: Ron VE8RT <ve8rt@?????.??>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Freq Guide April 2019
Message-ID:
<CABzOSOp5CjAtiEFY7wJ5n0MLb_kJk+bWVwPvuKAtNF-F08cmUA@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Ron,
Which satellites don't you have data for? Some may be listed under
their non-OSCAR names in GPredict.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 12:39 PM Ron VE8RT via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> I rely a lot on the AMSAT frequency guide, to at least double check
> the software (GPredict). There are several satillites listed on the
> April 2019 (latest guide I have) that I have no data for, TLE's or
> transponder. Maybe if I'd been following this list more closely I'd be
> up to date. They are no longer in service, or would I find them
> identified as something else?
>
> My 475 CAT control worked very well on the latest pass of XW-2B, too
> bad I couldn't hear anyone else on the west coast.
>
> Ron VE8RT
>
> --
> Ron VE8RT <ve8rt@?????.??>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
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AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 10:33:57 -0700
From: Chris Hoffman <cq.kg6o@?????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Poor Operators
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Fair point.
I believe this would be limited to 'repeated contacts'. No one wants to
intentionally take away the experience of a first-timer.
/ch
KG6O
KG6O atsin arrl dot net
On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 9:30 AM Burns Fisher via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> I agree that "never" is too strong. I've used this example before, but--a
> few years ago, I set up a sched with a friend in Ontario to talk briefly
> with my grandson so the grandson could have a chance to do a satellite and
> get a QSL card and maybe plant a seed of interest in amateur radio. It all
> came off, they spent maybe 30 sec talking, and then we signed off and
> thanked everyone for making a 8-year-old's day. Those who were waiting
> were kind and considerate. I would not do that if there was a rover on, of
> course, but once in a while, I think it is fair to make an exception for a
> kid, a class, a demo, etc.
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 11:13 PM Chris Hoffman, KG6O via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> > I agree ?Never? is incredibly strong. Perhaps ?...should be avoided if at
> > all possible...??
> >
> > In my opinion, the problem is not QRM or congestion. The problem is
> > welcomeness.
> >
> > The problem is that new operators continually hear banter and ?... it?s a
> > nice morning here, Bob...? then when they try to squeeze in a contact
> > ?after the conversation is over? they are instead crushed by other
> > operators also trying to respect boundaries on an 8min pass.
> >
> > The problem is that new operators have told me they perceive what are
> > obviously repeated contacts as an expression of territory, and they put
> > down the antenna for good.
> >
> > The problem is the assumption that it?s ?...NOT a busy pass.? That very
> > idea serves to disenfranchise, devalue, and repel new operators, making
> it
> > a self-fulfilling prophecy. Save Repeated Contacts ?short or long? for
> > EMail or HF: it should ALWAYS be considered to be a ?busy pass? until we
> > have available passes every 5 minutes.
> >
> > I challenge the experienced ?regular? operators to stay off the PTT,
> > listen for the new contacts that will inevitably show up, and remember
> > that ?in the aggregate? any open transponder time is an invitation for
> new
> > operators.
> >
> > /CH
> > KG6O
> > kg6o@????.???
> >
> > > On Mar 24, 2020, at 19:06, Bob Liddy (K8BL) via AMSAT-BB <
> > amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> > >
> > > ? It all depends on the situation. If it is a busy pass and others are
> > > trying to make a QSO with a specific station since they are a Rover
> > > or DX or rare somehow or New, just step aside if you don't need or
> > > want that station. If it is NOT a busy pass, there should be no problem
> > > with calling any station for any reason as long as you are not QRMing
> > > an existing QSO in progress. How easy is it to just LISTEN and hear
> > > what is going on and act accordingly? Just like on other Bands or
> > > Modes or Repeaters, DON'T transmit on top of a busy frequency. BTW,
> > > if you can't hear other stations or the Beacon on a pass, it would not
> > > be good to do a lot of transmitting since you may be causing a lot of
> > > QRM to other users. Listening to several passes without hearing other
> > > stations probably indicates you have a RX problem. When setting up
> > > a station, always make sure you are hearing well before ever trying
> > > to transmit.
> > >
> > > GL/73/Enjoy, Bob K8BL
> > > On Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 07:46:00 PM EDT, Brian Wilkins KO4AQF
> > via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> > >
> > > I would not make this one a rule either especially since some rove to
> > > multiple grids. It has to be handled by the operator on a case by case
> > > basis. Also the called operator does not have to respond either if this
> > is
> > > a problem.
> > >
> > > Brian Wilkins
> > > KO4AQF
> > >
> > >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:16 AM Roy Dean via AMSAT-BB <
> > amsat-bb@?????.???>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>> - problem #2 is about reducing congestion. It was discussed at length
> > >>> right here last year or so, and the bottom line was to never work a
> > >> station
> > >>> if you have already worked them before. Let others get a chance.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "Never" is a powerful word. There are plenty of passes that I've
> worked
> > >> in the past in which the only operators on the pass are ones that I've
> > >> worked plenty of times before. Weekday morning passes are typical
> > >> examples. I would suggest leaving this rule out, or at least
> modifying
> > it
> > >> appropriately (however I think Sean's published work already suggests
> > good
> > >> operating habits that cover this).
> > >>
> > >> --Roy
> > >> K3RLD
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > Opinions
> > >> expressed
> > >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of
> > >> AMSAT-NA.
> > >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> > program!
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> https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> > >>
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> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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> of
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> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 15:36:40 -0600
From: Ron VE8RT <ve8rt@?????.??>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] odd phenomena AO7 ?
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back in the late 80's and early 90's I'd heard this on the HF sats
that downlinked on 10M, but not on 2M.
While looking at future satellite plots I had the receiver tuned to
the mid band of the AO7 downlink and I'm hearing CW (145.948 MHz).
There are no amateur satellites above my horizon, anywhere. It was
very clear, sounded like someone listening for their output, long
dashes, bursts of CW, pauses, more of the same. I thought that I'd
recorded it, but I didn't press the record button long enough and have
nothing to show for it. GPredict, at about 21:12 UTC had the azimuth
of AO7 at 327 deg with an elevation of -54. It lasted a few minutes
and the followed the Doppler correction as shown on GPredict. When I
pointed my antenna to the GPredict azimuth for AO7 the signal strength
noticeably increased.
Does this also happen on 2M?
Ron VE8RT
--
Ron VE8RT <ve8rt@?????.??>
------------------------------
Message: 9
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 21:40:36 +0000 (UTC)
From: "Bob Liddy (K8BL)" <k8bl@?????????.???>
To: Burns Fisher <wb1fj-bb@??????.??>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Poor Operators
Message-ID: <1839567489.2164615.1586295636548@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Burns (WB1FJ, I think maybe),
I agree that there should always be room for a QSOlike that. If we ever get
to a place in Ham Radio whereanyone is criticized for making a contact
together withtheir Child/Grandchild/Spouse/Friend, we're done!
73,? ?Bob? K8BL
On Tuesday, April 7, 2020, 12:26:21 PM EDT, Burns Fisher via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
I agree that "never" is too strong.? I've used this example before, but--a
few years ago, I set up a sched with a friend in Ontario to talk briefly
with my grandson so the grandson could have a chance to do a satellite and
get a QSL card and maybe plant a seed of interest in amateur radio.? It all
came off, they spent maybe 30 sec talking, and then we signed off and
thanked everyone for making a 8-year-old's day.? Those who were waiting
were kind and considerate.? I would not do that if there was a rover on, of
course, but once in a while, I think it is fair to make an exception for a
kid, a class, a demo, etc.
On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 11:13 PM Chris Hoffman, KG6O via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> I agree ?Never? is incredibly strong. Perhaps ?...should be avoided if at
> all possible...??
>
> In my opinion, the problem is not QRM or congestion. The problem is
> welcomeness.
>
> The problem is that new operators continually hear banter and ?... it?s a
> nice morning here, Bob...? then when they try to squeeze in a contact
> ?after the conversation is over? they are instead crushed by other
> operators also trying to respect boundaries on an 8min pass.
>
> The problem is that new operators have told me they perceive what are
> obviously repeated contacts as an expression of territory, and they put
> down the antenna for good.
>
> The problem is the assumption that it?s ?...NOT a busy pass.? That very
> idea serves to disenfranchise, devalue, and repel new operators, making it
> a self-fulfilling prophecy. Save Repeated Contacts ?short or long? for
> EMail or HF: it should ALWAYS be considered to be a ?busy pass? until we
> have available passes every 5 minutes.
>
> I challenge the experienced ?regular? operators to stay off the PTT,
> listen for the new contacts that will inevitably show up,? and remember
> that ?in the aggregate? any open transponder time is an invitation for new
> operators.
>
> /CH
> KG6O
> kg6o@????.???
>
> > On Mar 24, 2020, at 19:06, Bob Liddy (K8BL) via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> >
> > ? It all depends on the situation. If it is a busy pass and others are
> > trying to make a QSO with a specific station since they are a Rover
> > or DX or rare somehow or New, just step aside if you don't need or
> > want that station. If it is NOT a busy pass, there should be no problem
> > with calling any station for any reason as long as you are not QRMing
> > an existing QSO in progress. How easy is it to just LISTEN and hear
> > what is going on and act accordingly? Just like on other Bands or
> > Modes or Repeaters, DON'T transmit on top of a busy frequency. BTW,
> > if you can't hear other stations or the Beacon on a pass, it would not
> > be good to do a lot of transmitting since you may be causing a lot of
> > QRM to other users. Listening to several passes without hearing other
> > stations probably indicates you have a RX problem. When setting up
> > a station, always make sure you are hearing well before ever trying
> > to transmit.
> >
> > GL/73/Enjoy, Bob K8BL
> >? ? On Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 07:46:00 PM EDT, Brian Wilkins KO4AQF
> via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> >
> > I would not make this one a rule either especially since some rove to
> > multiple grids. It has to be handled by the operator on a case by case
> > basis. Also the called operator does not have to respond either if this
> is
> > a problem.
> >
> > Brian Wilkins
> > KO4AQF
> >
> >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:16 AM Roy Dean via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>
> >>> - problem #2 is about reducing congestion. It was discussed at length
> >>> right here last year or so, and the bottom line was to never work a
> >> station
> >>> if you have already worked them before.? Let others get a chance.
> >>
> >>
> >> "Never" is a powerful word.? There are plenty of passes that I've worked
> >> in the past in which the only operators on the pass are ones that I've
> >> worked plenty of times before.? ? Weekday morning passes are typical
> >> examples.? I would suggest leaving this rule out, or at least modifying
> it
> >> appropriately (however I think Sean's published work already suggests
> good
> >> operating habits that cover this).
> >>
> >> --Roy
> >> K3RLD
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