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Today's Topics:
1. XW-2D (Jeff )
2. Re: XW-2D (Ron VE8RT)
3. Re: Past Satellite Ham (Rick Walter)
4. Satellite station for sale (Glenn Miller - AA5PK)
5. what is a good contact? (Ron VE8RT)
6. Re: what is a good contact? (Roy Dean)
7. Re: what is a good contact? (Roy Dean)
8. Re: AMSAT Freq Guide April 2019 (Don KB2YSI)
9. AMSAT Freq Guide April 2019 (W0JW John)
10. Re: AMSAT Freq Guide April 2019 (Ron VE8RT)
11. Re: what is a good contact? (Sean Kutzko)
12. Re: what is a good contact? (Sean Kutzko)
13. Re: what is a good contact? (Steve Kristoff)
14. Re: what is a good contact? (Ev Tupis)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 07:29:26 -0400
From: "Jeff " <kb2mjeff@???.???>
To: <AMSAT-BB@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] XW-2D
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XW-2D is broke again. Sounds like it?s in meteor scatter mode ?
73 Jeff kb2m
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 06:58:41 -0600
From: Ron VE8RT <ve8rt@?????.??>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Cc: Jeff <kb2mjeff@???.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] XW-2D
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Tried it this morning on CW, solid downlink signal for a few seconds,
off for several seconds, on for a few, ....
I think that I noticed that behaviour a couple of days ago.
Ron VE8RT
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 07:29:26 -0400
Jeff via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> XW-2D is broke again. Sounds like it?s in meteor scatter mode ?
>
>
>
> 73 Jeff kb2m
>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 09:59:36 -0400
From: Rick Walter <wb3csy@?????.???>
To: Brad Smith <corlissbs@???.???>, "amsat-bb@?????.????
<amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Past Satellite Ham
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I talked to Julia on the phone about 2 months ago. She is well. Just busy
and has not been on the birds.I told her about DMR and the AMSAT TG.
Hopefully we will be able to "work" her there.
73,
Rick WB3CSY
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 14:57:44 -0500
From: "Glenn Miller - AA5PK" <aa5pk@??????????.???>
To: "AMSAT BBS" <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite station for sale
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Posting for a friend.
Contact Jerry directly if interested: n5rv (at) outlook.com
The station consists of the following:
Yaesu FT-847 (manual, mic., box, various cables)
Yaesu FC-20 Tuner
Yaesu SP-8 Speaker (Not in very good condition, may have been in smoking
environment, I cleaned it up the best I could)
Yaesu FP-1030a 30A power supply
2x Tigertronics SignaLink USB
M2 SatPack1 VHF/UHF (egg beater) antennas with cross boom
SatPC32 software package with key
I would like $1300 for all, but will entertain cash+trades, offers.
Willing to drive halfway within a reasonable distance.
.
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 17:26:25 -0600
From: Ron VE8RT <ve8rt@?????.??>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] what is a good contact?
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maybe this has been brought up before, an alternative subject line
might be "home far should you go"
It seems that recording contacts and translating them into the log is
acceptable.
What about using post recording enhancements to pull call signs and
grid squares out of the noise?
A younger person with uncompromised hearing would do a better job at
picking out contact information, the arguement might be made that even
high end hearing aids do some audio processing.
I just used Audacity to pull KJ7ATK's call out as Diawata-2 was low
to my horizon, and his FM deviation was almost not there even though he
had full quieting. I'll pass someone the recording if they'd like to
hear it.
Grid squares are required, is there an alternative other than RST?
Ron VE8RT
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Ron VE8RT <ve8rt@?????.??>
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 20:41:45 -0400
From: Roy Dean <royldean@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] what is a good contact?
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>
> Grid squares are required, is there an alternative other than RST?
> Ron VE8RT
I think all you need to do is exchange ANY type of information (other than
your callsign, of course - which IS mandatory).
So, grid, first name, occupation, what you had for dinner, etc. I believe
most people use grids because then you are also elligible for all the
awards that go with grid collection.
I also believe that using a recording (that you actually made yourself on
the pass) is totally legit. Using a recording from a satnogs station 500
miles away - not so much. I'm not a grid-chaser, per se - so I'm sure
somebody else will give you the official position on both questions.
--Roy
K3RLD
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 20:44:03 -0400
From: Roy Dean <royldean@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] what is a good contact?
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>
> I believe
> most people use grids because then you are also elligible for all the
> awards that go with grid collection.
Of course, now that I think about it, if you use LotW or QSL cards, you
pretty much get the grid for free no matter what - so honestly maybe grid
exchange is popular just because it's quick and straight forward, and works
best for people that are listening to ongoing QSOs and need specific grids?
--Roy
K3RLD
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 20:52:54 -0400
From: Don KB2YSI <kb2ysi@?????.???>
To: Greg D <ko6th.greg@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Freq Guide April 2019
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It's too big to fit in my satellite rig bag, so I hardly ever see them. I
have made a portable cheatsheet that I need to reprint as mine is nearly
toast.
On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 23:43 Greg D <ko6th.greg@?????.???> wrote:
> Yes, but the Frequency Guide sits nicely under my satellite rig, so it's
> always handy.
>
> Greg KO6TH
>
>
> John Brier wrote:
> > The Getting Started book lists the catalog number :-)
> >
> > 73, John Brier KG4AKV
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 10:45 PM Greg D via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> wrote:
> >> It would be really handy if the Guide would list the satellite's catalog
> >> number under the name. That's universal.
> >>
> >> Greg KO6TH
> >>
> >>
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 20:17:11 -0500
From: W0JW John <kc0bmf@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Freq Guide April 2019
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I came into this posting late so if this has already been shared sorry for
the band width. But if not this site will give you a lot of information.
73 John W0JW EN31be
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/satslist.htm
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 20:03:10 -0600
From: Ron VE8RT <ve8rt@?????.??>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Freq Guide April 2019
Message-ID: <20200410200310.0762e9484c40dbe340498ad7@?????.??>
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Thanks John,
I don't think that this site had been brought up, had I checked it I
beforehand I probably would have had my questions answered.
Ron VE8RT
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 20:17:11 -0500
W0JW John via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> I came into this posting late so if this has already been shared sorry for
> the band width. But if not this site will give you a lot of information.
> 73 John W0JW EN31be
>
> http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/satslist.htm
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 22:19:36 -0500
From: Sean Kutzko <kx9x@?????.???>
To: Roy Dean <royldean@?????.???>
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] what is a good contact?
Message-ID: <9B39AC25-E83C-4A80-ADC3-CBA4AA339306@?????.???>
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During my time at ARRL, I came to understand that it?s not just the exchange
of information that makes a contact ?legitimate,? it?s acknowledgement of
that exchange by both parties. Here?s an example:
KX9X: CQ Satellite, KX9X
W1AW: KX9X this is W1AW
KX9X: W1AW, thanks, EN50
W1AW: QSL, FN31
KX9X: QSL, Thanks. QRZ KX9X
That final acknowledgment by KX9X is the same final step found in meteor
scatter and EME QSOs; both stations not only report info, but acknowledge
receiving the other station?s report. That?s what makes the contact ?good.?
Sent from the iPhone of Sean, KX9X
> On Apr 10, 2020, at 7:42 PM, Roy Dean via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
>
> ?
>>
>>
>> Grid squares are required, is there an alternative other than RST?
>> Ron VE8RT
>
>
> I think all you need to do is exchange ANY type of information (other than
> your callsign, of course - which IS mandatory).
>
> So, grid, first name, occupation, what you had for dinner, etc. I believe
> most people use grids because then you are also elligible for all the
> awards that go with grid collection.
>
> I also believe that using a recording (that you actually made yourself on
> the pass) is totally legit. Using a recording from a satnogs station 500
> miles away - not so much. I'm not a grid-chaser, per se - so I'm sure
> somebody else will give you the official position on both questions.
>
> --Roy
> K3RLD
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 22:19:36 -0500
From: Sean Kutzko <kx9x@?????.???>
To: Roy Dean <royldean@?????.???>
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] what is a good contact?
Message-ID: <9B39AC25-E83C-4A80-ADC3-CBA4AA339306@?????.???>
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During my time at ARRL, I came to understand that it?s not just the exchange
of information that makes a contact ?legitimate,? it?s acknowledgement of
that exchange by both parties. Here?s an example:
KX9X: CQ Satellite, KX9X
W1AW: KX9X this is W1AW
KX9X: W1AW, thanks, EN50
W1AW: QSL, FN31
KX9X: QSL, Thanks. QRZ KX9X
That final acknowledgment by KX9X is the same final step found in meteor
scatter and EME QSOs; both stations not only report info, but acknowledge
receiving the other station?s report. That?s what makes the contact ?good.?
Sent from the iPhone of Sean, KX9X
> On Apr 10, 2020, at 7:42 PM, Roy Dean via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
>
> ?
>>
>>
>> Grid squares are required, is there an alternative other than RST?
>> Ron VE8RT
>
>
> I think all you need to do is exchange ANY type of information (other than
> your callsign, of course - which IS mandatory).
>
> So, grid, first name, occupation, what you had for dinner, etc. I believe
> most people use grids because then you are also elligible for all the
> awards that go with grid collection.
>
> I also believe that using a recording (that you actually made yourself on
> the pass) is totally legit. Using a recording from a satnogs station 500
> miles away - not so much. I'm not a grid-chaser, per se - so I'm sure
> somebody else will give you the official position on both questions.
>
> --Roy
> K3RLD
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 07:49:50 -0400
From: "Steve Kristoff" <skristof@???????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] what is a good contact?
Message-ID: <1ab43be7519982d33d834e99bd24f1c1@???????.???>
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Opening with "CQ Satellite" is not really a recommended practice.
This: "On the FM satellites, it is not necessary to call CQ as on HF." is
cut-and-paste from
here:?https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Work_FM_Sats-
20131010.pdf
Sean, your own paper on the AMSAT website says this:?
" Don?t Call CQ - Please don?t call ?CQ Satellite? on an FM satellite".
That's cut-and-paste from
here:?https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/FM-Satellites
-Best-Practices.pdf
To Roy and any interested others, I highly recommend the materials at both
of these links as excellent tips and practices for satellite operation. Note
that they are geared towards the FM satellites.
Steve AI9IN
Grid EM79ji
Oldenburg IN
----- Original Message -----
From: Sean Kutzko via AMSAT-BB (amsat-bb@?????.????
Date: 04/10/20 23:24
To: Roy Dean (royldean@?????.????
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] what is a good contact?
During my time at ARRL, I came to understand that it?s not just the exchange
of information that makes a contact ?legitimate,? it?s acknowledgement of
that exchange by both parties. Here?s an example:
KX9X: CQ Satellite, KX9X
W1AW: KX9X this is W1AW
KX9X: W1AW, thanks, EN50
W1AW: QSL, FN31
KX9X: QSL, Thanks. QRZ KX9X
That final acknowledgment by KX9X is the same final step found in meteor
scatter and EME QSOs; both stations not only report info, but acknowledge
receiving the other station?s report. That?s what makes the contact ?good.?
Sent from the iPhone of Sean, KX9X
> On Apr 10, 2020, at 7:42 PM, Roy Dean via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
>
> ?
>>
>>
>> ?Grid squares are required, is there an alternative other than RST?
>> ? Ron VE8RT
>
>
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 12:38:36 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ev Tupis <w2ev@?????.???>
To: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] what is a good contact?
Message-ID: <1123695778.2754012.1586608716838@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
This issue comes up with regularity.? The answer is simple.? If you want a
direct answer...scroll to the last paragraph of this email.
----- Background -----
Let's play out a scenario from the point of a 3rd party listening to two
sides of a valid QSO from the "old days" of voice-based meteor scatter
communications:
Man's Voice: CQ W2AAA CQ W2AAA CQ W2AAA Break
Woman's Voice: W2AAA K0ZZ W2AAA K0ZZ W2AAA? K0ZZBreak
Man's Voice: K0ZZ W2AAA K0ZZ W2AAA K0ZZ W2AAA Break
Woman's Voice: W2AAA S5 W2AAA S5 W2AAA S5 Break
Man's Voice: Roger S5 S4 Roger S5 S4 Roger S5 S4 Break
Woman's Voice: Roger S4 73 Roger S4 73 Roger S4 73 Break
Man's Voice: Roger Roger Roger Break
Woman's Voice: Roger Roger Roger Break
Man's Voice: Roger Roger Roger Break
Woman's Voice: Roger Roger Roger Break
Man's Voice: Roger Roger Roger Break
Woman's Voice: Roger Roger Roger Break
(silence)
Unless you were part of the QSO or had engaged in this particular agreed
upon protocol before, you would have no way to decipher what just happened.
I could explain everything that happened (including the fact that the Man's
side of the QSO didn't copy enough to agree that a QSO had occurred during
the last exchange and required three repeats until their QSO Protocol was
satisfied)... but ultimately, the point is:
A QSO is "valid" when two parties agree to a protocol (or follow an events'
established protocol) and follow it to their satisfaction.? Doing so
honorably is part of the hobby.
Regards,
Ev, W2EV
Chairman, Rochester VHF Group
The Rochester VHF Group
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