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Today's Topics:
1. Re: what is a good contact? (Bob Hammond)
2. Re: what is a good contact? (Don KB2YSI)
3. Re: what is a good contact? (KI7UNJ Tucker)
4. Re: what is a good contact? (Bob Hammond)
5. Contacts with N6DNM from CM99/98 and DM08/09 grids on Apr 9,
10, 11 (Dmitry Mizin)
6. Re: what is a good contact? (nathanjwhite)
7. Re: what is a good contact? (Ev Tupis)
8. Re: what is a good contact? (Rick Wyrwas)
9. Re: what is a good contact? (Brian Wilkins KO4AQF)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 05:11:53 -0700
From: Bob Hammond <propgrinder@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] what is a good contact?
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Yesterday, I used Audacity to clarify recorded audio of a contact and pull
a callsign out of the mud.
I recommend this freeware for satellite users.
Thanks Ron VE8RT for mentioning it!
Bob W7OTJ
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 4:28 PM Ron VE8RT via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> maybe this has been brought up before, an alternative subject line
> might be "home far should you go"
>
> It seems that recording contacts and translating them into the log is
> acceptable.
>
> What about using post recording enhancements to pull call signs and
> grid squares out of the noise?
>
> A younger person with uncompromised hearing would do a better job at
> picking out contact information, the arguement might be made that even
> high end hearing aids do some audio processing.
>
> I just used Audacity to pull KJ7ATK's call out as Diawata-2 was low
> to my horizon, and his FM deviation was almost not there even though he
> had full quieting. I'll pass someone the recording if they'd like to
> hear it.
>
> Grid squares are required, is there an alternative other than RST?
>
> Ron VE8RT
>
> --
> Ron VE8RT <ve8rt@?????.??>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:28:58 -0400
From: Don KB2YSI <kb2ysi@?????.???>
To: Bob Hammond <propgrinder@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] what is a good contact?
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My personal opinion, post processing is not adding information to the
recording, so do what you need to.
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 08:14 Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> Yesterday, I used Audacity to clarify recorded audio of a contact and pull
> a callsign out of the mud.
> I recommend this freeware for satellite users.
>
> Thanks Ron VE8RT for mentioning it!
>
> Bob W7OTJ
>
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 4:28 PM Ron VE8RT via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???
> >
> wrote:
>
> > maybe this has been brought up before, an alternative subject line
> > might be "home far should you go"
> >
> > It seems that recording contacts and translating them into the log is
> > acceptable.
> >
> > What about using post recording enhancements to pull call signs and
> > grid squares out of the noise?
> >
> > A younger person with uncompromised hearing would do a better job at
> > picking out contact information, the arguement might be made that even
> > high end hearing aids do some audio processing.
> >
> > I just used Audacity to pull KJ7ATK's call out as Diawata-2 was low
> > to my horizon, and his FM deviation was almost not there even though he
> > had full quieting. I'll pass someone the recording if they'd like to
> > hear it.
> >
> > Grid squares are required, is there an alternative other than RST?
> >
> > Ron VE8RT
> >
> > --
> > Ron VE8RT <ve8rt@?????.??>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:48:42 -0700
From: KI7UNJ Tucker <ki7unj@?????.???>
To: Don KB2YSI <kb2ysi@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] what is a good contact?
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If you have to listen to the recording to hear the call after the fact,
then how did you make contact?
Cause you didn't hear it live as it happened, so then how the heck did you
call the other Op by the correct call? since you didn't know the call till
after the pass?
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 5:30 AM Don KB2YSI via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> My personal opinion, post processing is not adding information to the
> recording, so do what you need to.
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 08:14 Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> wrote:
>
> > Yesterday, I used Audacity to clarify recorded audio of a contact and
> pull
> > a callsign out of the mud.
> > I recommend this freeware for satellite users.
> >
> > Thanks Ron VE8RT for mentioning it!
> >
> > Bob W7OTJ
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 4:28 PM Ron VE8RT via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > maybe this has been brought up before, an alternative subject line
> > > might be "home far should you go"
> > >
> > > It seems that recording contacts and translating them into the log is
> > > acceptable.
> > >
> > > What about using post recording enhancements to pull call signs and
> > > grid squares out of the noise?
> > >
> > > A younger person with uncompromised hearing would do a better job at
> > > picking out contact information, the arguement might be made that even
> > > high end hearing aids do some audio processing.
> > >
> > > I just used Audacity to pull KJ7ATK's call out as Diawata-2 was low
> > > to my horizon, and his FM deviation was almost not there even though he
> > > had full quieting. I'll pass someone the recording if they'd like to
> > > hear it.
> > >
> > > Grid squares are required, is there an alternative other than RST?
> > >
> > > Ron VE8RT
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ron VE8RT <ve8rt@?????.??>
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > Opinions
> > > expressed
> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of
> > > AMSAT-NA.
> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> > program!
> > > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 09:16:30 -0700
From: Bob Hammond <propgrinder@?????.???>
To: KI7UNJ Tucker <ki7unj@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] what is a good contact?
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Casey,
I made a legitimate contact with the other OP. If my using Audacity to
clean up the audio and verify the contact and his grid bothers you, so be
it.
Next time, I'll be sure and check with you before I do anything.
Bob W7OTJ
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 8:48 AM KI7UNJ Tucker <ki7unj@?????.???> wrote:
> If you have to listen to the recording to hear the call after the fact,
> then how did you make contact?
>
> Cause you didn't hear it live as it happened, so then how the heck did you
> call the other Op by the correct call? since you didn't know the call till
> after the pass?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 5:30 AM Don KB2YSI via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
>> My personal opinion, post processing is not adding information to the
>> recording, so do what you need to.
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 08:14 Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Yesterday, I used Audacity to clarify recorded audio of a contact and
>> pull
>> > a callsign out of the mud.
>> > I recommend this freeware for satellite users.
>> >
>> > Thanks Ron VE8RT for mentioning it!
>> >
>> > Bob W7OTJ
>> >
>> > On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 4:28 PM Ron VE8RT via AMSAT-BB <
>> amsat-bb@?????.???
>> > >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > maybe this has been brought up before, an alternative subject line
>> > > might be "home far should you go"
>> > >
>> > > It seems that recording contacts and translating them into the log
>> is
>> > > acceptable.
>> > >
>> > > What about using post recording enhancements to pull call signs and
>> > > grid squares out of the noise?
>> > >
>> > > A younger person with uncompromised hearing would do a better job at
>> > > picking out contact information, the arguement might be made that even
>> > > high end hearing aids do some audio processing.
>> > >
>> > > I just used Audacity to pull KJ7ATK's call out as Diawata-2 was low
>> > > to my horizon, and his FM deviation was almost not there even though
>> he
>> > > had full quieting. I'll pass someone the recording if they'd like to
>> > > hear it.
>> > >
>> > > Grid squares are required, is there an alternative other than RST?
>> > >
>> > > Ron VE8RT
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Ron VE8RT <ve8rt@?????.??>
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> > Opinions
>> > > expressed
>> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>> of
>> > > AMSAT-NA.
>> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> > program!
>> > > Subscription settings:
>> https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> > >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions
>> > expressed
>> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> > AMSAT-NA.
>> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> program!
>> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>
>
> --
> *Casey Tucker KI7UNJ*
> https://twitter.com/KI7UNJ
> https://www.qrz.com/db/KI7UNJ
> http://bit.do/ki7unj
>
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>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 09:26:58 -0700
From: Dmitry Mizin <dmitry.mizin@?????.???>
To: AMSAT-BB <AMSAT-BB@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Contacts with N6DNM from CM99/98 and DM08/09 grids
on Apr 9, 10, 11
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Hi there,
As I am stuck here in Tahoe region, I did a few mini roves to those grids
making 131 contacts overall. All uploaded to LOTW where 81 were confirmed.
I know I've worked many ops for the first time (and this sometimes true
even for those who worked me before) and often other operator will make
mistake with my call. So, if you do need confirmation for those grids -
make sure you have my call correctly - N6DNM. If confirmations are still
missing for you, email me directly with details and I will verify it on my
side.
Thank you all for contacts and looking forward to catching you later!
Dmitry N6DNM
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 16:35:21 +0000 (UTC)
From: nathanjwhite <nathanjwhite@????????.???>
To: Bob Hammond <propgrinder@?????.???>, KI7UNJ Tucker
<ki7unj@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] what is a good contact?
Message-ID: <2123414733.4587808.1586709321576@????.?????.???>
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I?m?with Casey on this. If you use the recording to confirm that you
correctly?heard and repeated back another station?s call sign then?it?s a
valid contact. If the recording is used after the fact to deduce whose?voice
you heard...it was not a valid?contact by definition.?
NateN5LEX
On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 12:19 PM, Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
Casey,
I made a legitimate contact with the other OP.? If my using Audacity to
clean up the audio and verify the contact and his grid bothers you, so be
it.
Next time, I'll be sure and check with you before I do anything.
Bob W7OTJ
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 8:48 AM KI7UNJ Tucker <ki7unj@?????.???> wrote:
> If you have to listen to the recording to hear the call after the fact,
> then how did you make contact?
>
> Cause you didn't hear it live as it happened, so then how the heck did you
> call the other Op by the correct call? since you didn't know the call till
> after the pass?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 5:30 AM Don KB2YSI via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
>> My personal opinion, post processing is not adding information to the
>> recording, so do what you need to.
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 08:14 Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Yesterday, I used Audacity to clarify recorded audio of a contact and
>> pull
>> > a callsign out of the mud.
>> > I recommend this freeware for satellite users.
>> >
>> > Thanks Ron VE8RT for mentioning it!
>> >
>> > Bob W7OTJ
>> >
>> > On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 4:28 PM Ron VE8RT via AMSAT-BB <
>> amsat-bb@?????.???
>> > >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >? maybe this has been brought up before, an alternative subject line
>> > > might be "home far should you go"
>> > >
>> > >? It seems that recording contacts and translating them into the log
>> is
>> > > acceptable.
>> > >
>> > >? What about using post recording enhancements to pull call signs and
>> > > grid squares out of the noise?
>> > >
>> > >? A younger person with uncompromised hearing would do a better job at
>> > > picking out contact information, the arguement might be made that even
>> > > high end hearing aids do some audio processing.
>> > >
>> > >? I just used Audacity to pull KJ7ATK's call out as Diawata-2 was low
>> > > to my horizon, and his FM deviation was almost not there even though
>> he
>> > > had full quieting.? I'll pass someone the recording if they'd like to
>> > > hear it.
>> > >
>> > >? Grid squares are required, is there an alternative other than RST?
>> > >
>> > >? ? Ron VE8RT
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Ron VE8RT <ve8rt@?????.??>
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> > Opinions
>> > > expressed
>> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>> of
>> > > AMSAT-NA.
>> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> > program!
>> > > Subscription settings:
>> https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> > >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions
>> > expressed
>> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> > AMSAT-NA.
>> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> program!
>> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>
>
> --
> *Casey Tucker? KI7UNJ*
> https://twitter.com/KI7UNJ
> https://www.qrz.com/db/KI7UNJ
> http://bit.do/ki7unj
>
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>
>
_______________________________________________
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expressed
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AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 16:35:56 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ev Tupis <w2ev@?????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] what is a good contact?
Message-ID: <1619670343.2973265.1586709356720@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
AMSATers...
I'll say it again, "A contact is made when you fulfill whatever criteria you
(or an event sponsor) agree it is.? Do so honorably (like playing golf)."
This topic *will* come up periodically because we all feel that we all must
agree.? We do not.
For example: some people believe that machine decoding does not constitute a
"real" QSO, so they do not use the JT-modes.? However...they are happy to
engage in a PSK31 or RTTY QSO...where the machine does real-time decoding
for them.
You get the idea.
Please, re-read the first paragraph and find your peace with it.
Yours in the hobby,
Ev, W2EV
Rochester VHF Group
On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 11:52:07 AM EDT, KI7UNJ Tucker via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
If you have to listen to the recording to hear the call after the fact,
then how did you make contact?
Cause you didn't hear it live as it happened, so then how the heck did you
call the other Op by the correct call? since you didn't know the call till
after the pass?
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 5:30 AM Don KB2YSI via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> My personal opinion, post processing is not adding information to the
> recording, so do what you need to.
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 08:14 Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> wrote:
>
> > Yesterday, I used Audacity to clarify recorded audio of a contact and
> pull
> > a callsign out of the mud.
> > I recommend this freeware for satellite users.
> >
> > Thanks Ron VE8RT for mentioning it!
> >
> > Bob W7OTJ
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 4:28 PM Ron VE8RT via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >? maybe this has been brought up before, an alternative subject line
> > > might be "home far should you go"
> > >
> > >? It seems that recording contacts and translating them into the log is
> > > acceptable.
> > >
> > >? What about using post recording enhancements to pull call signs and
> > > grid squares out of the noise?
> > >
> > >? A younger person with uncompromised hearing would do a better job at
> > > picking out contact information, the arguement might be made that even
> > > high end hearing aids do some audio processing.
> > >
> > >? I just used Audacity to pull KJ7ATK's call out as Diawata-2 was low
> > > to my horizon, and his FM deviation was almost not there even though he
> > > had full quieting.? I'll pass someone the recording if they'd like to
> > > hear it.
> > >
> > >? Grid squares are required, is there an alternative other than RST?
> > >
> > >? ? Ron VE8RT
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ron VE8RT <ve8rt@?????.??>
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > Opinions
> > > expressed
> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of
> > > AMSAT-NA.
> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> > program!
> > > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
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> >
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 11:46:39 -0500
From: Rick Wyrwas <rwyrwas48@?????.???>
To: Ev Tupis <w2ev@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] what is a good contact?
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Amen, Happy Easter all!!
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 11:45 AM Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> AMSATers...
>
> I'll say it again, "A contact is made when you fulfill whatever criteria
> you (or an event sponsor) agree it is. Do so honorably (like playing
> golf)."
>
> This topic *will* come up periodically because we all feel that we all
> must agree. We do not.
>
> For example: some people believe that machine decoding does not constitute
> a "real" QSO, so they do not use the JT-modes. However...they are happy to
> engage in a PSK31 or RTTY QSO...where the machine does real-time decoding
> for them.
>
> You get the idea.
>
> Please, re-read the first paragraph and find your peace with it.
>
> Yours in the hobby,
> Ev, W2EV
> Rochester VHF Group
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 11:52:07 AM EDT, KI7UNJ Tucker via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> If you have to listen to the recording to hear the call after the fact,
> then how did you make contact?
>
> Cause you didn't hear it live as it happened, so then how the heck did you
> call the other Op by the correct call? since you didn't know the call till
> after the pass?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 5:30 AM Don KB2YSI via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???>
> wrote:
>
> > My personal opinion, post processing is not adding information to the
> > recording, so do what you need to.
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 08:14 Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Yesterday, I used Audacity to clarify recorded audio of a contact and
> > pull
> > > a callsign out of the mud.
> > > I recommend this freeware for satellite users.
> > >
> > > Thanks Ron VE8RT for mentioning it!
> > >
> > > Bob W7OTJ
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 4:28 PM Ron VE8RT via AMSAT-BB <
> > amsat-bb@?????.???
> > > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > maybe this has been brought up before, an alternative subject line
> > > > might be "home far should you go"
> > > >
> > > > It seems that recording contacts and translating them into the log
> is
> > > > acceptable.
> > > >
> > > > What about using post recording enhancements to pull call signs and
> > > > grid squares out of the noise?
> > > >
> > > > A younger person with uncompromised hearing would do a better job at
> > > > picking out contact information, the arguement might be made that
> even
> > > > high end hearing aids do some audio processing.
> > > >
> > > > I just used Audacity to pull KJ7ATK's call out as Diawata-2 was low
> > > > to my horizon, and his FM deviation was almost not there even though
> he
> > > > had full quieting. I'll pass someone the recording if they'd like to
> > > > hear it.
> > > >
> > > > Grid squares are required, is there an alternative other than RST?
> > > >
> > > > Ron VE8RT
> > > >
> > > > --
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 13:02:46 -0400
From: Brian Wilkins KO4AQF <bwilkins@?????.???>
To: nathanjwhite <nathanjwhite@????????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] what is a good contact?
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I use the recording to record the QSOs in LOTW because I suck at
remembering and I don?t write anything down during the pass. Cleaning up
the audio could be used to make sure you recorded the pass properly in LOTW
meaning you record the right call sign. It?s just a memory re caller.
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 12:37 PM nathanjwhite via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> I?m with Casey on this. If you use the recording to confirm that you
> correctly heard and repeated back another station?s call sign then it?s a
> valid contact. If the recording is used after the fact to deduce
> whose voice you heard...it was not a valid contact by definition.
> NateN5LEX
>
>
> On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 12:19 PM, Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> Casey,
>
> I made a legitimate contact with the other OP. If my using Audacity to
> clean up the audio and verify the contact and his grid bothers you, so be
> it.
>
> Next time, I'll be sure and check with you before I do anything.
>
> Bob W7OTJ
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 8:48 AM KI7UNJ Tucker <ki7unj@?????.???> wrote:
>
> > If you have to listen to the recording to hear the call after the fact,
> > then how did you make contact?
> >
> > Cause you didn't hear it live as it happened, so then how the heck did
> you
> > call the other Op by the correct call? since you didn't know the call
> till
> > after the pass?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 5:30 AM Don KB2YSI via AMSAT-BB <
> > amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> >
> >> My personal opinion, post processing is not adding information to the
> >> recording, so do what you need to.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 08:14 Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Yesterday, I used Audacity to clarify recorded audio of a contact and
> >> pull
> >> > a callsign out of the mud.
> >> > I recommend this freeware for satellite users.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks Ron VE8RT for mentioning it!
> >> >
> >> > Bob W7OTJ
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 4:28 PM Ron VE8RT via AMSAT-BB <
> >> amsat-bb@?????.???
> >> > >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > maybe this has been brought up before, an alternative subject line
> >> > > might be "home far should you go"
> >> > >
> >> > > It seems that recording contacts and translating them into the log
> >> is
> >> > > acceptable.
> >> > >
> >> > > What about using post recording enhancements to pull call signs and
> >> > > grid squares out of the noise?
> >> > >
> >> > > A younger person with uncompromised hearing would do a better job
> at
> >> > > picking out contact information, the arguement might be made that
> even
> >> > > high end hearing aids do some audio processing.
> >> > >
> >> > > I just used Audacity to pull KJ7ATK's call out as Diawata-2 was low
> >> > > to my horizon, and his FM deviation was almost not there even though
> >> he
> >> > > had full quieting. I'll pass someone the recording if they'd like
> to
> >> > > hear it.
> >> > >
> >> > > Grid squares are required, is there an alternative other than RST?
> >> > >
> >> > > Ron VE8RT
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Ron VE8RT <ve8rt@?????.??>
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> >> of
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