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Today's Topics:
1. Re: what is a good contact? (John Brier)
2. Re: what is a good contact? (H. Stephen Nipper)
3. Cheap 10W solar panels (GEO Badger)
4. Re: SATpc32 -- doppler.sqf Editor (Thomas Schaefer)
5. Re: Cheap 10W solar panels (Zach Metzinger)
6. Good Contact??? (Brad Smith)
7. Re: what is a good contact? (Bob K0NR - email list)
8. Re: what is a good contact? (KI7UNJ Tucker)
9. Re: SATpc32 -- doppler.sqf Editor (Jim Walls)
10. Re: Cheap 10W solar panels (GEO Badger)
11. Re: what is a good contact? (John Brier)
12. Re: Cheap 10W solar panels (Zach Metzinger)
13. Re: SATpc32 -- doppler.sqf Editor (John Brier)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:25:52 -0400
From: John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???>
To: "Bob Liddy (K8BL)" <k8bl@?????????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] what is a good contact?
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Bob this is how I do it.
The only exception is occasionally if I get tongue tied and can't spit out
their call right I will sometimes say "got it on the recording" and still
count it. I prefer not to but have done it and others also do it.
If someone doesn't agree with that my defense is I am dyslexic so give me a
break. ;-)
This thread has reminded me that, afaik, the FCC rules don't define a
contact, so as someone else said, it really depends on what you and the
other station agree on. Contests or other awards may specify and for that
you have to do what their rules are, obviously.
73, John Brier
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 16:51 Bob Liddy (K8BL) via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> I've been Roving for quite a few years. It takes a lot of time and effort
> and $$$ to activate some of the Grids I've been to. My joy is to give out
> Grids to those who need them. It's all done gladly and willingly.
>
> This is what I consider a "Good Contact".
>
> 1 - I set up and wait for the Pass and announce my Call/Grid when I hear
> myself.
> 2 - A station calls me with My Call and Their Call.
> 3 - I respond to them with Their Call & My Call/Grid
> 4 - That's a "Good Contact" - they heard me & responded, I heard them &
> responded
> 5 - Contact logged, next station calls.
>
> The Pass is copied on my Sony ICD-BX140 Digital Recorder via a mini-mic
> placed in one side of my headphones which catches both sides of the QSO.
> Then,
> when I return to where I'm staying, I transcribe the QSOs for uploading to
> LoTW. If there is doubt with a Call, I'll listen to the recording again to
> verify.
>
> This has worked very well for me for over 125 different Grid activations
> and
> many several times as I travel. I don't recall any complaints, however,
> they would
> all be handled appropriately(!).
>
> GL/73, Bob K8BL (AMSAT #6593, since 1979)
>
> P.S. The Digital Recorder can be seen in a pic on my QRZ Page.
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 13:38:09 -0600
From: "H. Stephen Nipper" <stephennipper@?????.???>
To: John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] what is a good contact?
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I think we have about beat this topic to death.
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 1:27 PM John Brier via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> Bob this is how I do it.
>
> The only exception is occasionally if I get tongue tied and can't spit out
> their call right I will sometimes say "got it on the recording" and still
> count it. I prefer not to but have done it and others also do it.
>
> If someone doesn't agree with that my defense is I am dyslexic so give me a
> break. ;-)
>
> This thread has reminded me that, afaik, the FCC rules don't define a
> contact, so as someone else said, it really depends on what you and the
> other station agree on. Contests or other awards may specify and for that
> you have to do what their rules are, obviously.
>
> 73, John Brier
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 16:51 Bob Liddy (K8BL) via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> >
> > I've been Roving for quite a few years. It takes a lot of time and effort
> > and $$$ to activate some of the Grids I've been to. My joy is to give out
> > Grids to those who need them. It's all done gladly and willingly.
> >
> > This is what I consider a "Good Contact".
> >
> > 1 - I set up and wait for the Pass and announce my Call/Grid when I hear
> > myself.
> > 2 - A station calls me with My Call and Their Call.
> > 3 - I respond to them with Their Call & My Call/Grid
> > 4 - That's a "Good Contact" - they heard me & responded, I heard them &
> > responded
> > 5 - Contact logged, next station calls.
> >
> > The Pass is copied on my Sony ICD-BX140 Digital Recorder via a mini-mic
> > placed in one side of my headphones which catches both sides of the QSO.
> > Then,
> > when I return to where I'm staying, I transcribe the QSOs for uploading
> to
> > LoTW. If there is doubt with a Call, I'll listen to the recording again
> to
> > verify.
> >
> > This has worked very well for me for over 125 different Grid activations
> > and
> > many several times as I travel. I don't recall any complaints, however,
> > they would
> > all be handled appropriately(!).
> >
> > GL/73, Bob K8BL (AMSAT #6593, since 1979)
> >
> > P.S. The Digital Recorder can be seen in a pic on my QRZ Page.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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>
--
Stephen Nipper
Boise, Idaho
N7DJX
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 19:39:09 +0000 (UTC)
From: GEO Badger <w3ab@?????.???>
To: N6IJ EMAIL SERVER <mbara4list@????.???>, "k6bj@??????.???
<k6bj@??????.??>, NPSARC Listserv <members@????.???>, AMSAT BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???>, "w7dxxremote+owner@??????.???
<w7dxxremote+owner@??????.??>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Cheap 10W solar panels
Message-ID: <881583031.5123674.1586806749874@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
The link is to ML Solar, local to me in Cali.
https://tinyurl.com/txyw2bj
---?
Ciao baby, catch you on the flip side. ??
GEO ???
http://www.w3ab.org
You can say "over", you can say "out", you just can't say "over and out".
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:43:18 -0400
From: Thomas Schaefer <ny4i@????.???>
To: Michael Walker <va3mw@??????????.???>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SATpc32 -- doppler.sqf Editor
Message-ID: <D296C3D6-709E-4DBC-AB35-FB1B503EC29F@????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
A related question?Is there some reason we need to carry old, no longer
in-use, satellites in these files? The
Doppler.sql file is full of satellites one cannot possibly use anymore. Same
question about the lists in general. Can one filter the lists so adding
AO-51 for example to tracking is never even an option ?as in one never even
sees it.
Thanks,
Tom Schaefer, NY4I
Blog: www.ny4i.com
Madeira Beach, FL (Grid: EL87ot)
> On Apr 13, 2020, at 2:26 PM, Michael Walker via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> Hi All
>
> For the new operators, you may like this nice piece of code by W9KE
>
> Doppler.SQF Edit
>
> http://www.tomdoyle.org/dopplersqfeditor/DopplerSqfEditor.html
>
> Mike va3mw
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 14:48:16 -0500
From: Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Cheap 10W solar panels
Message-ID: <aac884cc-9ff3-ab29-0d80-7c0d253f5f40@?????.???>
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On 04/13/20 14:39, GEO Badger via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> The link is to ML Solar, local to me in Cali.
> https://tinyurl.com/txyw2bj
This link goes to a Yahoo! email login, and is probably not what you
intended to send.
--- Zach
N0ZGO
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 19:50:50 +0000 (UTC)
From: Brad Smith <corlissbs@???.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] Good Contact???
Message-ID: <308791304.5156271.1586807450925@????.?????.???>
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<2 - A station calls me with My Call and Their Call.3 - I respond to them
with Their Call & My Call/Grid>
Since I am always operating handheld or portable, whether at my QTH, or
roving, I cannot write the call down as it is being said, as both of my
hands happen to be employed at the moment. Since a rover usually gives his
grid, at least every few calls, I may say "Grid CM94, My Call" for example
and the rover usually comes back at me and I appreciate that and I will then
give my call and grid. Sometimes that is the best that can be done. I get
his call when he comes back to me. I also record every pass on my iPhone. My
memory isn't geed enough to remember 5 calls (or more, if I am roving) that
I just worked, along with the activities of pointing an antenna and manually
adjusting Doppler, so I rely on my recording. I know it is difficult to
understand, but working portable is a lot different than sitting in front of
an SDR computer screen in one's shack, with a 9700 with a speaker system and
elevating and rotating, computer controlled yagi antennas. Some of us are
doing this under not-so
-ideal conditions. I have worked with my Arrow in the rain and in a
snowstorm, several times without gloves, with noisy trucks going by and
people asking me what I am doing,while trying to work. I have been asked if
I am tracking animals and once as I was setting up, someone threatened to
call the police. (I offered to let him use my phone, and I have Amateur
Radio plates on my vehicles.) So, please cut some of us a little slack, if
we are not operating exactly by "the book." Also, getting stepped on by the
rude, big guns will eradicate part of the call. (Big guns are certainly more
important than little portables.) If it is his/her call that gets stepped
on, I can pick it up as he/she makes more contacts. If it is my call, I will
email him/her to verify what my call is and make sure the contact is
correct. Many times the person will thank me because he was missing one
letter. Brad KC9UQR
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 13:29:18 -0600
From: Bob K0NR - email list <list@????.???>
To: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] what is a good contact?
Message-ID: <ef1398ad-0d1a-002e-f78c-44860de549dc@????.???>
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Overhead on Twitter:
"Does anyone know what station I just worked on SO-50?
I am not sure of the callsign, but I think it starts with Kilo. I also
need the grid."
Bob K0NR
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 13:18:58 -0700
From: KI7UNJ Tucker <ki7unj@?????.???>
To: Bob K0NR - email list <list@????.???>
Cc: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] what is a good contact?
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I always get a chuckle when I hear this, now if they said "who was it I
heard I want to sked with them for a later contact" that makes sense.
Posting of "who did I work?" on twitter is the original reason @?????????
on twitter exists, and this was the EXACT reason the first badge was created
The First "HamBadge" --->
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/hP5_spKTuy3bDPwHWbvzvhkmxa8F_fU_YSjyjUQdiYjp
_A_UaLp1HdaZl1jG_3e6URyWbg0UkQ=w1280
https://twitter.com/HamBadges
If you need twitter/Facepalm/Etc to tell you who you worked.... you DIDNT
WORK THEM!!!
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 1:05 PM Bob K0NR - email list via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Overhead on Twitter:
>
> "Does anyone know what station I just worked on SO-50?
> I am not sure of the callsign, but I think it starts with Kilo. I also
> need the grid."
>
> Bob K0NR
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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--
*Casey Tucker KI7UNJ*
https://twitter.com/KI7UNJ
https://www.qrz.com/db/KI7UNJ
http://bit.do/ki7unj
<https://www.google.com/url?q=http://bit.do/ki7unj&sa=D&source=hangouts&ust=15
21073499558000&usg=AFQjCNFcQLn6C9nmmvpQiBbD6XvN-QjKug>
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 13:20:09 -0700
From: Jim Walls <jim@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SATpc32 -- doppler.sqf Editor
Message-ID: <eb157cd0-58aa-8626-aa05-39dd4878e5f0@?????.???>
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On 04/13/2020 12:43, Thomas Schaefer via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> A related question?Is there some reason we need to carry old, no longer
in-use, satellites in these files? The
> Doppler.sql file is full of satellites one cannot possibly use anymore.
Same question about the lists in general. Can one filter the lists so adding
AO-51 for example to tracking is never even an option ?as in one never even
sees it.
>
Well, for one thing, dead satellites sometimes come back from the dead.?
AO-7 comes to mind - and yes, I was on the first US pass after it was
confirmed to be alive after 21 years of silence.
--
73
-------------------------------------
Jim Walls - K6CCC
jim@?????.???
Ofc: 818-548-4804
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/k6ccc/
AMSAT Member 32537 - WSWSS Member 395
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 20:24:03 +0000 (UTC)
From: GEO Badger <w3ab@?????.???>
To: N6IJ EMAIL SERVER <mbara4list@????.???>, "k6bj@??????.???
<k6bj@??????.??>, NPSARC Listserv <members@????.???>, AMSAT BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???>, "w7dxxremote+owner@??????.???
<w7dxxremote+owner@??????.??>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Cheap 10W solar panels
Message-ID: <888621441.5185389.1586809443351@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
That link was an error on my side. Their email didn't have a hot link in it.
I apologize.
ML Solar is in Campbell, CA and can be reached at
408.583.8101.?http://www.mlsolar.com
I have purchased many items from them, you can stop by and do a will-call
if you wish.
They are selling?these for $5.00/ea with a minimum quantity of 20 pcs.
Currently listed on ebay for $25.00 ea.
---?
Ciao baby, catch you on the flip side. ??
GEO ???
http://www.w3ab.org
You can say "over", you can say "out", you just can't say "over and out".
On Monday, April 13, 2020, 12:44:13 PM PDT, GEO Badger via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
The link is to ML Solar, local to me in Cali.
https://tinyurl.com/txyw2bj
---?
Ciao baby, catch you on the flip side. ??
GEO ???
http://www.w3ab.org
You can say "over", you can say "out", you just can't say "over and out".
_______________________________________________
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 16:28:00 -0400
From: John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???>
To: Bob K0NR - email list <list@????.???>
Cc: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] what is a good contact?
Message-ID:
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Yeah we see that on this mailing list too, though your Twitter example is
the most striking I have seen. They don't even know the first letter?!
I guess if they repeated the callsign over the air it would be a contact...
But if you can't log it because you can't remember it and you didn't record
it...
Hopefully this is a new operator who is still building out their setup and
learning to multitask.
73, John Brier KG4AKV
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 16:06 Bob K0NR - email list via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Overhead on Twitter:
>
> "Does anyone know what station I just worked on SO-50?
> I am not sure of the callsign, but I think it starts with Kilo. I also
> need the grid."
>
> Bob K0NR
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:35:56 -0500
From: Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Cheap 10W solar panels
Message-ID: <d91c4d06-5279-22ea-be1b-30dcf19f8262@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
On 04/13/20 15:24, GEO Badger via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> That link was an error on my side. Their email didn't have a hot link in
it. I apologize.
> ML Solar is in Campbell, CA and can be reached at
408.583.8101.?http://www.mlsolar.com
> I have purchased many items from them, you can stop by and do a
will-call if you wish.
> They are selling?these for $5.00/ea with a minimum quantity of 20 pcs.
Currently listed on ebay for $25.00 ea.
Note that this is $2/watt, far more expensive than other offerings.
For example:
https://smile.amazon.com/Richsolar-Polycrystalline-Efficiency-Module-Marine/dp
/B07DNP14JY
That panel, 3.3' x 2.2', is 100 Watts for $80, or $0.80/watt. This price
is low-average in terms of $/watt and the panel is pretty small. Not a
backpacker's delight, but definitely enough to cart around for remote
operation.
--- Zach
N0ZGO
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 16:36:38 -0400
From: John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???>
To: Jim Walls <jim@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SATpc32 -- doppler.sqf Editor
Message-ID:
<CALn0fKNdPRfkDt1Sxh1989CsoOVw7mAJbgU8uNCzgwhRjG8ASQ@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
I would prefer them to stay as it is a good reference for historical
reasons.
Maybe put dead ones all at the bottom of the file or under a different
section of the file.
73, John Brier KG4AKV
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 16:24 Jim Walls via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> On 04/13/2020 12:43, Thomas Schaefer via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > A related question?Is there some reason we need to carry old, no longer
> in-use, satellites in these files? The
> > Doppler.sql file is full of satellites one cannot possibly use anymore.
> Same question about the lists in general. Can one filter the lists so
> adding AO-51 for example to tracking is never even an option ?as in one
> never even sees it.
> >
> Well, for one thing, dead satellites sometimes come back from the dead.
> AO-7 comes to mind - and yes, I was on the first US pass after it was
> confirmed to be alive after 21 years of silence.
>
> --
> 73
> -------------------------------------
> Jim Walls - K6CCC
> jim@?????.???
> Ofc: 818-548-4804
> http://members.dslextreme.com/users/k6ccc/
> AMSAT Member 32537 - WSWSS Member 395
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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