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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Terrible Repeater QRM on AO-92 at 15:40z (Michael Walker)
2. PSK retransmission on PSAT-2 (Roland Zurmely)
3. Re: PSK retransmission on PSAT-2 (Scott)
4. Terrible Repeater QRM on AO-92 at 15:40z (Roy Dean)
5. Re: Terrible Repeater QRM on AO-92 at 15:40z (Bob Liddy (K8BL))
6. Terrible Repeater QRM on AO-92 at 15:40z (Stephen DeVience)
7. Re: Terrible Repeater QRM on AO-92 at 15:40z (John Brier)
8. FS Icom AG-35 (Howard Stephenson)
9. Re: Terrible Repeater QRM on AO-92 at 15:40z (Michael Walker)
10. Re: IC-9100 w/1.2 GHz module for sale (Glenn Miller - AA5PK)
11. Re: PSK retransmission on PSAT-2 (Paulo PV8DX)
12. Re: Terrible Repeater QRM on AO-92 at 15:40z (Zach Metzinger)
13. Terrible Repeater QRM on AO-92 at 15:40z (Roy Dean)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 13:11:04 -0400
From: Michael Walker <va3mw@??????????.???>
To: "Bob Liddy (K8BL)" <k8bl@?????????.???>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>, Roy Dean <royldean@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Terrible Repeater QRM on AO-92 at 15:40z
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So... not to sound like I don't care, I really do.
But, there isn't anything you can do about it unless you capture the person
with video with the mic in their hand.
Here in Toronto, several of us have spent thousands of hours chasing
people. We even have video of a guy in his living room doing it. I had
Industry Canada and the RCMP (since it was a Federal Offense) on the street
with us. They agreed, he was breaking the law. To which they both said,
so what. I have other more important cases and this is just a hobby. If
you catch in interfering with health or safety, call us back.
And, with that. FM, DSTAR and DMR are about dead in Southern Ontario.
And, there are a lot of hams here. The population is about 11 million.
The best solution. Give up on FM and move to a Linear bird. Invest in it
and you'll love the difference. For myself and my friends, FM, DSTAR and
DMR are dead. I do HF and weak signal SSB, CW, etc. Way more satisfying
than the CB crap we are hearing now.
Ok, off soapbox. Flame retardant suit is on.
Mike va3mw
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 12:23 PM Bob Liddy (K8BL) via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Roy,
> Nice capture. Their accents sound like New Englanders.
> de Bob K8BL
>
> On Thursday, May 21, 2020, 12:12:46 PM EDT, Roy Dean via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> >
> > Yes, terrible QRM during this pass. Have recording as well but no call
> > signs from repeater chatter. Cal / N3CAL
>
>
> https://youtu.be/4439iHT4vtM
>
> --Roy
> K3RLD
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 17:44:59 +0000 (UTC)
From: Roland Zurmely <py4zbz@?????.???>
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] PSK retransmission on PSAT-2
Message-ID: <1568960570.1966416.1590083099238@????.?????.???>
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<?https://www.qsl.net/py4zbz/psat2.htm#b >
73 de Roland PY4ZBZ
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 13:53:58 -0400
From: Scott <scott23192@?????.???>
To: Roland Zurmely <py4zbz@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] PSK retransmission on PSAT-2
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Great job, Roland!
If I was farther south, I'd try to join you on there.
73!
-Scott, K4KDR
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On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 1:45 PM Roland Zurmely via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> < https://www.qsl.net/py4zbz/psat2.htm#b >
> 73 de Roland PY4ZBZ
>
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 14:02:39 -0400
From: Roy Dean <royldean@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] Terrible Repeater QRM on AO-92 at 15:40z
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>
> The best solution. Give up on FM and move to a Linear bird. Invest in it
> and you'll love the difference. [snip] Ok, off soapbox. Flame retardant
> suit is on. Mike va3mw
How is moving to linears a solution? What happens when somebody puts a
repeater output in the passband of a linear uplink? Same thing (if not
worse - due to FM signal blowing out all other signals).
The best solution is to find the trustee of the repeater and work with them
to either change the output of the repeater, no?
--Roy
K3RLD
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 18:06:16 +0000 (UTC)
From: "Bob Liddy (K8BL)" <k8bl@?????????.???>
To: Michael Walker <va3mw@??????????.???>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Terrible Repeater QRM on AO-92 at 15:40z
Message-ID: <1251436052.577654.1590084376325@????.?????.???>
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Mike,
First....? With the WX now being FB, I'm making some sketchy plans? ?to get
out of home confinement and do some roving. But, with all the? ?craziness on
the FM birds I keep hearing about, I will probably plan? ?most of my
activity on the Linears. It would really tick me off to spend? ?the time and
money to activate some juicy Grid on FM only to be QRM'd? ?into a waste of
effort.
Second...? Sorry to hear about the radio problems in your area. It must be??
?awfully frustrating for the Hams that spent the time and effort to put
capabilities? ?on the air and be unable to use them properly. I'm the
License Trustee of? ?three Repeaters for our Club. If I was to ever hear any
of them being used? ?improperly, they'd be switched off immediately and
continuously until the? ?abusers went away. They would NOT be taking over
OUR facilities!!
GL/73,? ?Bob? K8BL
On Thursday, May 21, 2020, 01:11:20 PM EDT, Michael Walker
<va3mw@??????????.???> wrote:
So... not to sound like I don't care, I really do.
But, there isn't anything you can do?about it unless you capture the person
with video with the mic in their hand.??
Here in Toronto, several of us have spent thousands of hours chasing
people.? We even have video of a guy in his living room doing it.? I had
Industry Canada and the RCMP (since it was a Federal Offense) on the street
with us.? They agreed, he was breaking the law.? To which they both said, so
what.? I have other more important cases and this is just a hobby.? If you
catch in interfering?with health or safety, call us back.
And, with that. FM, DSTAR and DMR are about dead in Southern Ontario.? ?And,
there are a lot of hams here.? The population is about 11 million.??
The best solution.? Give up on FM and move to a Linear bird.? Invest in it
and you'll love the difference.? For myself and my friends, FM, DSTAR and
DMR are dead.? ?I do HF and weak signal SSB, CW, etc.? Way more satisfying
than the CB crap we are hearing now.??
Ok, off soapbox.? Flame retardant?suit is on.
Mike va3mw
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 12:23 PM Bob Liddy (K8BL) via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
?Roy,
Nice capture.? Their accents sound like New Englanders.
de? Bob? K8BL
? ? On Thursday, May 21, 2020, 12:12:46 PM EDT, Roy Dean via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:?
?>
> Yes, terrible QRM during this pass. Have recording as well but no call
> signs from repeater chatter. Cal / N3CAL
?https://youtu.be/4439iHT4vtM
--Roy
K3RLD
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 14:12:21 -0400
From: Stephen DeVience <sjdevience@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] Terrible Repeater QRM on AO-92 at 15:40z
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I wouldn't mix this together with purposeful QRM, which is a separate
problem.
>From previous recordings, we think it's the W1GLO repeater causing the
trouble ( or someone crossbanding it). It is on echolink and has a live
stream:
http://caara.net/main/repeaterstream/
Maybe somone can set something up to record the repeater during satellite
passes so we can prove or disprove it.
This would be a good youtube link to send the W1GLO club as well.
-Stephen, N8URE
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 14:29:30 -0400
From: John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???>
To: Roy Dean <royldean@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Terrible Repeater QRM on AO-92 at 15:40z
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I think Mike was saying people were a local nuisance by QRMing local
repeaters, not referring to the repeater that is supposedly QRMing the sat.
73, John Brier KG4AKV
On Thu, May 21, 2020, 14:06 Roy Dean via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> >
> > The best solution. Give up on FM and move to a Linear bird. Invest in it
> > and you'll love the difference. [snip] Ok, off soapbox. Flame retardant
> > suit is on. Mike va3mw
>
>
> How is moving to linears a solution? What happens when somebody puts a
> repeater output in the passband of a linear uplink? Same thing (if not
> worse - due to FM signal blowing out all other signals).
>
> The best solution is to find the trustee of the repeater and work with them
> to either change the output of the repeater, no?
>
> --Roy
> K3RLD
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 16:58:29 +0000
From: Howard Stephenson <hlstephenson@???????.???>
To: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] FS Icom AG-35
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Looking to sell my Icom AG-35 430 MHz preamp
$65 shipped in the lower 48
73
Howard Stephenson K6IA
Las Vegas
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 14:57:25 -0400
From: Michael Walker <va3mw@??????????.???>
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Terrible Repeater QRM on AO-92 at 15:40z
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Hi Roy
What happens when the world ends? You and I and just about everyone is not
able to control the future.
If we all thought about 'what if' we wouldn't have gotten out of the stone
age and the Wright Brothers wouldn't have flown.
All we can do is deal with the present and the facts we have at hand.
I look at it this way. If all the idiots want to jam the crap out of the
FM birds, so be it. That means they are leaving the linear birds alone.
Mike va3mw
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 2:30 PM John Brier via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> I think Mike was saying people were a local nuisance by QRMing local
> repeaters, not referring to the repeater that is supposedly QRMing the sat.
>
> 73, John Brier KG4AKV
>
> On Thu, May 21, 2020, 14:06 Roy Dean via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> wrote:
>
> > >
> > > The best solution. Give up on FM and move to a Linear bird. Invest in
> it
> > > and you'll love the difference. [snip] Ok, off soapbox. Flame retardant
> > > suit is on. Mike va3mw
> >
> >
> > How is moving to linears a solution? What happens when somebody puts a
> > repeater output in the passband of a linear uplink? Same thing (if not
> > worse - due to FM signal blowing out all other signals).
> >
> > The best solution is to find the trustee of the repeater and work with
> them
> > to either change the output of the repeater, no?
> >
> > --Roy
> > K3RLD
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 14:06:13 -0500
From: "Glenn Miller - AA5PK" <aa5pk@??????????.???>
To: "AMSAT BBS" <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] IC-9100 w/1.2 GHz module for sale
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The 9100 is sold.
-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn Miller - AA5PK via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 11:43 AM
To: AMSAT BBS
Subject: [amsat-bb] IC-9100 w/1.2 GHz module for sale
Before I list this on the usual amateur radio sales sites, I thought I'd
offer it to the AMSAT community.
It has served me well on the satellites and elsewhere. With an IC-9700 and
IC-7300, this is excess to my needs.
IC-9100 with 1.2 GHz module, carrying handle, mic, power cable, manual and
original box. No other optional
modules/accessories.
$1425 shipped CONUS.
If interested, contact me off the BB. aa5pk (at) hotmail (dot) com
73
Glenn
AA5PK
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 15:10:37 -0400
From: Paulo PV8DX <paulopv8dx@?????.???>
To: Roland Zurmely <py4zbz@?????.???>, AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] PSK retransmission on PSAT-2
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FB?? Roland
Congrats.
73? de Paulo PV8DX
Em 21/05/2020 13:44, Roland Zurmely via AMSAT-BB escreveu:
> <?https://www.qsl.net/py4zbz/psat2.htm#b >
> 73 de Roland PY4ZBZ
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 14:41:07 -0500
From: Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Terrible Repeater QRM on AO-92 at 15:40z
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On 05/21/20 13:02, Roy Dean via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> How is moving to linears a solution? What happens when somebody puts a
> repeater output in the passband of a linear uplink? Same thing (if not
> worse - due to FM signal blowing out all other signals).
Another option is to move up the bands. Microwave bands are more easily
accessible these days with SDR, and the antennas are smaller.
--- Zach
N0ZGO
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 16:34:15 -0400
From: Roy Dean <royldean@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] Terrible Repeater QRM on AO-92 at 15:40z
Message-ID:
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>
> Hi Roy What happens when the world ends? You and I and just about everyone
> is not
> able to control the future. If we all thought about 'what if' we wouldn't
> have gotten out of the stone
> age and the Wright Brothers wouldn't have flown. All we can do is deal
> with the present and the facts we have at hand. I look at it this way. If
> all the idiots want to jam the crap out of the
> FM birds, so be it. That means they are leaving the linear birds alone.
> Mike va3mw
Mike, perhaps my use of the term "QRM" is incorrect, or perhaps you didn't
listen to the recording?
This is not one or more "a-hole" operators intentionally trying to
interfere with satellite operators. This is the output of a New England
(we think, based on operator accents and 1 area callsigns) repeater that is
either on the AO-92 uplink, or has a very strong harmonic accomplishing
the same thing. From what I've read, the AMSAT team is working with at
least one repeater on a solution, and they have continued to ask for
recordings.
And again, I stress that somebody putting a repeater output in the same
uplink frequency band as any of the linears will cause the EXACT same
problem, if not even worse. So we should either nip this in the bud, or
face giving up the satellite sub-bands entirely.
As far as your "what if" comment, people like the Wright Brothers DID, in
fact, think "what if". In less than a week we will have the first
purpose designed commercial space flight service....
--Roy
K3RLD
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