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Today's Topics:
1. Starlink and Cubesats (Mike Hoblinski)
2. Re: Starlink and Cubesats (Paul Stoetzer)
3. Re: Starlink and Cubesats (Robert Bankston)
4. Re: eShail Qatar-OSCAR 100 (Zach Metzinger)
5. need HEO .. please.. (David J. Schmocker)
6. Re: need HEO .. please.. (KI7UNJ Tucker)
7. Re: need HEO .. please.. (egon)
8. Re: need HEO .. please.. (Scott McDonald)
9. Re: need HEO .. please.. (David J. Schmocker)
10. Re: need HEO .. please.. (egon)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 20:05:58 -0700
From: Mike Hoblinski <hobergenix@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] Starlink and Cubesats
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I was reading that Starlink may open public beta testing to a small group
later this year.
Still no word on the type of equipment the public would use to connect. But
this got me
wondering about the possibility of orbiting Cubsats being able to use a
satellite network
such as starlink. Just a hypothetical question I thought I would throw
around.
Mike
N6IMF
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 23:17:17 -0400
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@????.???>
To: Mike Hoblinski <hobergenix@?????.???>
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Starlink and Cubesats
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Interesting thought. My first thought is that the Starlink satellites are
going to be around 500-550 km and their transmitters and receivers are
likely to be very focused on communications with ground stations, so I
doubt they?d work at all for cubesats above the Starlink constellation.
For those deployed into lower orbit, say from the ISS, I guess there?s a
higher chance, but I?m sure the network is very finely tuned for
communications with fixed ground stations rather than orbiting satellites
traveling at what?s likely to be a high relative speed and much closer to
the constellation. Not to mention there?s different licensing requirements
on space-to-space communications (which Starlink between its own
satellites, but not others).
I doubt it?d work even if SpaceX allowed it to be done. If they are
interested in supporting cubesats, then they?d probably have to make design
changes to the satellites to accommodate it.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 23:06 Mike Hoblinski via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> I was reading that Starlink may open public beta testing to a small group
> later this year.
> Still no word on the type of equipment the public would use to connect. But
> this got me
> wondering about the possibility of orbiting Cubsats being able to use a
> satellite network
> such as starlink. Just a hypothetical question I thought I would throw
> around.
>
> Mike
> N6IMF
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 03:34:51 +0000 (UTC)
From: Robert Bankston <ke4al@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???? Mike Hoblinski <hobergenix@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Starlink and Cubesats
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I have been exploring that very idea - an open?An source cubesat
constellation that enables rcoss-link communication and multipoint
scientific measurements.? You can read more about it
here:??https://ke4al.github.io/amsatLink/
73,
Robert Bankston, KE4AL
On Wednesday, June 17, 2020, 10:07:09 PM CDT, Mike Hoblinski via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
I was reading that Starlink may open public beta testing to a small group
later this year.
Still no word on the type of equipment the public would use to connect. But
this got me
wondering about the possibility of orbiting Cubsats being able to use a
satellite network
such as starlink. Just a hypothetical question I thought I would throw
around.
Mike
N6IMF
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 23:43:30 -0500
From: Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] eShail Qatar-OSCAR 100
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> I really just hear excuses when others ask the same question, why no HEO?
You could always run for a seat on the AMSAT board. A highly motivated,
enthusiastic member, such as yourself, might be able to help achieve more
HEO launches.
--- Zach
N0ZGO
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 06:53:21 -0500
From: "David J. Schmocker" <kj9idave@???????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] need HEO .. please..
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Everyone:
My thoughts are in full alignment with Joe's view.. "Why no HEO?"
Without HEO, my interest in satellites is.. zero.
Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer.? How is DXing possible without HEO?
My donations start and increase in proportion to the satellite orbital
height.
very 73,
Dave KJ9I
On 6/17/20 5:08 PM, Joe Leikhim via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Zach; As a long time member of AMSAT, I can assure you I did donate
> for the AO-40 project. But since that time there have been no
> significant HEO projects.
> LEO and primarily FM oriented satellites have been the rule. Year
> after year, the focus has been on these short term, low earth projects
> or ARISS.
>
> Who cares if an HEO requires COTS space rated modules to be considered
> a payload? There is plenty of work to be done on the ground building
> an earth station.
>
> Paul; Why no outreach to the industry. Elon Musk? A free AMSAT
> membership, some Honorary AMSAT Knighthood?? Anybody ever give him a
> call?
>
> I know part of this is ITAR and the US basically screwing ourselves by
> embargoing technology.
>
>
> "Donate early, donate often.
>
> 2) No amateur-built hardware on the satellite -- Yes, specifying and
> overseeing development takes a LOT of work. I do this for my day job,
> not satellites, but just as complex. However, designing, building,
> testing, and deploying amateur-built hardware is what I feel AMSAT is
> all about.
> ?--- Zach
> N0ZGO"
>
> "There are many political and economic factors that made the
> partnership with AMSAT-DL possible. "
>
> "the most senior political official we've had who was
> active in amateur radio was Sen. Barry Goldwater. Currently, Rep. Greg
> Walden is the only amateur radio operator I'm aware of in high levels
> of government and he's retiring when his term ends in January.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul Stoetzer, N8HM
> Executive Vice President
> AMSAT"
>
> I really just hear excuses when others ask the same question, why no HEO?
>
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 07:59:25 -0700
From: KI7UNJ Tucker <ki7unj@?????.???>
To: "David J. Schmocker" <kj9idave@???????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] need HEO .. please..
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David,
"Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer. How is DXing possible without
HEO?"
It's very possible to work a DX with just the LEO sats we have now, heck
I'm in Oregon and have managed to work Spain and many other countries in
that area. The east coast ops are able to work DEEP into the EU and even
able to work EU with just FM on AO-91. 2M0SQL (Whom I have worked via LEO)
is in Scotland is able to work all the way to the west coast of US via
RS-44/AO-7 with passes almost daily, and yes those are LEO sats.
People who say "working DX isn't possible with LEO" need to take a look at
orbits, and probably get our of their comfort zone, you won't get much DX
on an overhead pass... you need to get out and work those 1* passes or
venture out more and get up on a hill and work a negative degree pass. LEO
DX is 100% possible!
Sadly, many are just complaining instead of using what we have and or
donating. Many of said complainers have no concept of the
design/skills/time/money/effort/programming/de-orbital requirements they
think its just wham bam the sat is in space.
Read more about what AMSAT is doing to go higher, and DONATE all on this
page!
https://www.amsat.org/greater-orbit-larger-footprint-an-introduction-to-the-am
sat-golf-program/
MEO or an HEO satellite sounds great and I can't wait, it would be fun and
allow me to work many more DX.
/R
KI7UNJ
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 4:57 AM David J. Schmocker via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Everyone:
> My thoughts are in full alignment with Joe's view.. "Why no HEO?"
> Without HEO, my interest in satellites is.. zero.
>
> Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer. How is DXing possible without HEO?
>
> My donations start and increase in proportion to the satellite orbital
> height.
>
> very 73,
>
> Dave KJ9I
>
> On 6/17/20 5:08 PM, Joe Leikhim via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > Zach; As a long time member of AMSAT, I can assure you I did donate
> > for the AO-40 project. But since that time there have been no
> > significant HEO projects.
> > LEO and primarily FM oriented satellites have been the rule. Year
> > after year, the focus has been on these short term, low earth projects
> > or ARISS.
> >
> > Who cares if an HEO requires COTS space rated modules to be considered
> > a payload? There is plenty of work to be done on the ground building
> > an earth station.
> >
> > Paul; Why no outreach to the industry. Elon Musk? A free AMSAT
> > membership, some Honorary AMSAT Knighthood? Anybody ever give him a
> > call?
> >
> > I know part of this is ITAR and the US basically screwing ourselves by
> > embargoing technology.
> >
> >
> > "Donate early, donate often.
> >
> > 2) No amateur-built hardware on the satellite -- Yes, specifying and
> > overseeing development takes a LOT of work. I do this for my day job,
> > not satellites, but just as complex. However, designing, building,
> > testing, and deploying amateur-built hardware is what I feel AMSAT is
> > all about.
> > --- Zach
> > N0ZGO"
> >
> > "There are many political and economic factors that made the
> > partnership with AMSAT-DL possible. "
> >
> > "the most senior political official we've had who was
> > active in amateur radio was Sen. Barry Goldwater. Currently, Rep. Greg
> > Walden is the only amateur radio operator I'm aware of in high levels
> > of government and he's retiring when his term ends in January.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Paul Stoetzer, N8HM
> > Executive Vice President
> > AMSAT"
> >
> > I really just hear excuses when others ask the same question, why no HEO?
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
--
*Casey Tucker KI7UNJ*
https://twitter.com/KI7UNJ
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 09:55:38 -0600
From: "egon" <ve6egn@?????.???>
To: "Amsat" <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Cc: "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] need HEO .. please..
Message-ID: <8DC28A119A334C7DBB73A5C0CF4DF0B6@??????>
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reply-type=original
>From Alberta Canada I have worked 23 country's on LEO satellites
and that's not counting AO40,
Egon VE6EGN/SA3EGN
-----Original Message-----
From: KI7UNJ Tucker via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 8:59 AM
To: David J. Schmocker
Cc: AMSAT BB
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] need HEO .. please..
David,
"Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer. How is DXing possible without
HEO?"
It's very possible to work a DX with just the LEO sats we have now, heck
I'm in Oregon and have managed to work Spain and many other countries in
that area. The east coast ops are able to work DEEP into the EU and even
able to work EU with just FM on AO-91. 2M0SQL (Whom I have worked via LEO)
is in Scotland is able to work all the way to the west coast of US via
RS-44/AO-7 with passes almost daily, and yes those are LEO sats.
People who say "working DX isn't possible with LEO" need to take a look at
orbits, and probably get our of their comfort zone, you won't get much DX
on an overhead pass... you need to get out and work those 1* passes or
venture out more and get up on a hill and work a negative degree pass. LEO
DX is 100% possible!
Sadly, many are just complaining instead of using what we have and or
donating. Many of said complainers have no concept of the
design/skills/time/money/effort/programming/de-orbital requirements they
think its just wham bam the sat is in space.
Read more about what AMSAT is doing to go higher, and DONATE all on this
page!
https://www.amsat.org/greater-orbit-larger-footprint-an-introduction-to-the-am
sat-golf-program/
MEO or an HEO satellite sounds great and I can't wait, it would be fun and
allow me to work many more DX.
/R
KI7UNJ
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 4:57 AM David J. Schmocker via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Everyone:
> My thoughts are in full alignment with Joe's view.. "Why no HEO?"
> Without HEO, my interest in satellites is.. zero.
>
> Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer. How is DXing possible without
> HEO?
>
> My donations start and increase in proportion to the satellite orbital
> height.
>
> very 73,
>
> Dave KJ9I
>
> On 6/17/20 5:08 PM, Joe Leikhim via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > Zach; As a long time member of AMSAT, I can assure you I did donate
> > for the AO-40 project. But since that time there have been no
> > significant HEO projects.
> > LEO and primarily FM oriented satellites have been the rule. Year
> > after year, the focus has been on these short term, low earth projects
> > or ARISS.
> >
> > Who cares if an HEO requires COTS space rated modules to be considered
> > a payload? There is plenty of work to be done on the ground building
> > an earth station.
> >
> > Paul; Why no outreach to the industry. Elon Musk? A free AMSAT
> > membership, some Honorary AMSAT Knighthood? Anybody ever give him a
> > call?
> >
> > I know part of this is ITAR and the US basically screwing ourselves by
> > embargoing technology.
> >
> >
> > "Donate early, donate often.
> >
> > 2) No amateur-built hardware on the satellite -- Yes, specifying and
> > overseeing development takes a LOT of work. I do this for my day job,
> > not satellites, but just as complex. However, designing, building,
> > testing, and deploying amateur-built hardware is what I feel AMSAT is
> > all about.
> > --- Zach
> > N0ZGO"
> >
> > "There are many political and economic factors that made the
> > partnership with AMSAT-DL possible. "
> >
> > "the most senior political official we've had who was
> > active in amateur radio was Sen. Barry Goldwater. Currently, Rep. Greg
> > Walden is the only amateur radio operator I'm aware of in high levels
> > of government and he's retiring when his term ends in January.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Paul Stoetzer, N8HM
> > Executive Vice President
> > AMSAT"
> >
> > I really just hear excuses when others ask the same question, why no
> > HEO?
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
--
*Casey Tucker KI7UNJ*
https://twitter.com/KI7UNJ
_______________________________________________
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to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 16:23:17 +0000 (UTC)
From: Scott McDonald <ka9p@???.???>
To: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>, "kj9idave@???????.????
<kj9idave@???????.???>
Cc: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] need HEO .. please..
Message-ID: <569709445.161991.1592497397837@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Tucker,?
I hear what you're saying.? But I'm pretty sure Dave is remembering a world
of HEO's you may not have experienced, and it's not just having a shot of
working Peter on RS-44 (as excited as I was to do it for the first time).
I looked back through some log book pages from the early 90's, and what you
find are things like regular, predictable contacts with friends all over the
world, and the theoretical possibility of eventually working most any
country you could find on HF, without the need for computer driven arrays
and doppler correction.? Sure, you could use them, but you could easily live
without them. ? With a Yaesu sat rig, and enough antenna for a bit of ERP,
the capabilities were amazing.
AMSAT has a good plan they've committed to and followed, but reading Dave's
sentiments I wonder if there aren't a fair number of people like Dave that
would contribute to a dedicated HEO project, and volunteer to make that
project happen.? There is a chance that would cannibalize donations,
perhaps, but my guess is that given the number of boomers that remember the
good old days, there might be some untapped energy and resources that a
dedicated, well-publicized effort would draw out.
Scott ka9p
-----Original Message-----
From: KI7UNJ Tucker via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
To: David J. Schmocker <kj9idave@???????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Sent: Thu, Jun 18, 2020 9:59 am
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] need HEO .. please..
David,
"Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer.? How is DXing possible without
HEO?"
It's very possible to work a DX with just the LEO sats we have now, heck
I'm in Oregon and have managed to work Spain and many other countries in
that area. The east coast ops are able to work DEEP into the EU and even
able to work EU with just FM on AO-91. 2M0SQL (Whom I have worked via LEO)
is in Scotland is able to work all the way to the west coast of US via
RS-44/AO-7 with passes almost daily, and yes those are LEO sats.
People who say "working DX isn't possible with LEO" need to take a look at
orbits, and probably get our of their comfort zone, you won't get much DX
on an overhead pass... you need to get out and work those 1* passes or
venture out more and get up on a hill and work a negative degree pass. LEO
DX is 100% possible!
Sadly, many are just complaining instead of using what we have and or
donating. Many of said complainers have no concept of the
design/skills/time/money/effort/programming/de-orbital requirements they
think its just wham bam the sat is in space.
Read more about what AMSAT is doing to go higher, and DONATE all on this
page!
https://www.amsat.org/greater-orbit-larger-footprint-an-introduction-to-the-am
sat-golf-program/
MEO or an HEO satellite sounds great and I can't wait, it would be fun and
allow me to work many more DX.
/R
KI7UNJ
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 4:57 AM David J. Schmocker via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Everyone:
> My thoughts are in full alignment with Joe's view.. "Why no HEO?"
> Without HEO, my interest in satellites is.. zero.
>
> Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer.? How is DXing possible without HEO?
>
> My donations start and increase in proportion to the satellite orbital
> height.
>
> very 73,
>
> Dave KJ9I
>
> On 6/17/20 5:08 PM, Joe Leikhim via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > Zach; As a long time member of AMSAT, I can assure you I did donate
> > for the AO-40 project. But since that time there have been no
> > significant HEO projects.
> > LEO and primarily FM oriented satellites have been the rule. Year
> > after year, the focus has been on these short term, low earth projects
> > or ARISS.
> >
> > Who cares if an HEO requires COTS space rated modules to be considered
> > a payload? There is plenty of work to be done on the ground building
> > an earth station.
> >
> > Paul; Why no outreach to the industry. Elon Musk? A free AMSAT
> > membership, some Honorary AMSAT Knighthood?? Anybody ever give him a
> > call?
> >
> > I know part of this is ITAR and the US basically screwing ourselves by
> > embargoing technology.
> >
> >
> > "Donate early, donate often.
> >
> > 2) No amateur-built hardware on the satellite -- Yes, specifying and
> > overseeing development takes a LOT of work. I do this for my day job,
> > not satellites, but just as complex. However, designing, building,
> > testing, and deploying amateur-built hardware is what I feel AMSAT is
> > all about.
> >? --- Zach
> > N0ZGO"
> >
> > "There are many political and economic factors that made the
> > partnership with AMSAT-DL possible. "
> >
> > "the most senior political official we've had who was
> > active in amateur radio was Sen. Barry Goldwater. Currently, Rep. Greg
> > Walden is the only amateur radio operator I'm aware of in high levels
> > of government and he's retiring when his term ends in January.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Paul Stoetzer, N8HM
> > Executive Vice President
> > AMSAT"
> >
> > I really just hear excuses when others ask the same question, why no HEO?
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
--
*Casey Tucker? KI7UNJ*
https://twitter.com/KI7UNJ
_______________________________________________
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 11:27:04 -0500
From: "David J. Schmocker" <kj9idave@???????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] need HEO .. please..
Message-ID: <d2949a23-f356-fd18-a915-c7d4bdbaaa31@???????.???>
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Everyone:
Thank you; the tone of my email asked for this.
I am not a whining proponent.?? Let me end this thread just as abruptly
as I started it.
I realize one can work a handful of DX with LEO.? Given a goal of DXCC,
the situations looks very different (hence the HEO interest). ? Of
course I know about the GOLF efforts.
I failed to communicate my interest is DXCC via satellites. This is a
stretch (from EN53qb) without HEO or perhaps well-placed GEO. ? The idea
previously fronted to reach out to the Elon Musks, etc. of the world
seems most prudent.
very 73,
Dave KJ9I
On 6/18/20 10:55 AM, egon via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> From Alberta Canada I have worked 23 country's on LEO satellites
> and that's not counting AO40,
>
>
>
> Egon VE6EGN/SA3EGN
> -----Original Message----- From: KI7UNJ Tucker via AMSAT-BB
> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 8:59 AM
> To: David J. Schmocker
> Cc: AMSAT BB
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] need HEO .. please..
>
> David,
>
> "Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer.? How is DXing possible without
> HEO?"
>
> It's very possible to work a DX with just the LEO sats we have now, heck
> I'm in Oregon and have managed to work Spain and many other countries in
> that area. The east coast ops are able to work DEEP into the EU and even
> able to work EU with just FM on AO-91. 2M0SQL (Whom I have worked via
> LEO)
> is in Scotland is able to work all the way to the west coast of US via
> RS-44/AO-7 with passes almost daily, and yes those are LEO sats.
>
> People who say "working DX isn't possible with LEO" need to take a
> look at
> orbits, and probably get our of their comfort zone, you won't get much DX
> on an overhead pass... you need to get out and work those 1* passes or
> venture out more and get up on a hill and work a negative degree pass.
> LEO
> DX is 100% possible!
>
> Sadly, many are just complaining instead of using what we have and or
> donating. Many of said complainers have no concept of the
> design/skills/time/money/effort/programming/de-orbital requirements they
> think its just wham bam the sat is in space.
>
> Read more about what AMSAT is doing to go higher, and DONATE all on this
> page!
>
https://www.amsat.org/greater-orbit-larger-footprint-an-introduction-to-the-am
sat-golf-program/
>
>
> MEO or an HEO satellite sounds great and I can't wait, it would be fun
> and
> allow me to work many more DX.
>
>
> /R
> KI7UNJ
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 4:57 AM David J. Schmocker via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
>> Everyone:
>> My thoughts are in full alignment with Joe's view.. "Why no HEO?"
>> Without HEO, my interest in satellites is.. zero.
>>
>> Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer.? How is DXing possible
>> without HEO?
>>
>> My donations start and increase in proportion to the satellite orbital
>> height.
>>
>> very 73,
>>
>> Dave KJ9I
>>
>> On 6/17/20 5:08 PM, Joe Leikhim via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>> > Zach; As a long time member of AMSAT, I can assure you I did donate
>> > for the AO-40 project. But since that time there have been no
>> > significant HEO projects.
>> > LEO and primarily FM oriented satellites have been the rule. Year
>> > after year, the focus has been on these short term, low earth projects
>> > or ARISS.
>> >
>> > Who cares if an HEO requires COTS space rated modules to be considered
>> > a payload? There is plenty of work to be done on the ground building
>> > an earth station.
>> >
>> > Paul; Why no outreach to the industry. Elon Musk? A free AMSAT
>> > membership, some Honorary AMSAT Knighthood?? Anybody ever give him a
>> > call?
>> >
>> > I know part of this is ITAR and the US basically screwing ourselves by
>> > embargoing technology.
>> >
>> >
>> > "Donate early, donate often.
>> >
>> > 2) No amateur-built hardware on the satellite -- Yes, specifying and
>> > overseeing development takes a LOT of work. I do this for my day job,
>> > not satellites, but just as complex. However, designing, building,
>> > testing, and deploying amateur-built hardware is what I feel AMSAT is
>> > all about.
>> >? --- Zach
>> > N0ZGO"
>> >
>> > "There are many political and economic factors that made the
>> > partnership with AMSAT-DL possible. "
>> >
>> > "the most senior political official we've had who was
>> > active in amateur radio was Sen. Barry Goldwater. Currently, Rep. Greg
>> > Walden is the only amateur radio operator I'm aware of in high levels
>> > of government and he's retiring when his term ends in January.
>> >
>> > 73,
>> >
>> > Paul Stoetzer, N8HM
>> > Executive Vice President
>> > AMSAT"
>> >
>> > I really just hear excuses when others ask the same question, why
>> no > HEO?
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
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>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions
>> expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
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>
>
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 10:43:57 -0600
From: "egon" <ve6egn@?????.???>
To: "KI7UNJ Tucker" <ki7unj@?????.???>, "David J. Schmocker"
<kj9idave@???????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] need HEO .. please..
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>From Alberta Canada I have worked 23 country's on LEO satellites
and that's not counting AO40,
VE6EGN/SA3EGN
Egon VE6EGN/SA3EGN
-----Original Message-----
From: KI7UNJ Tucker via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 8:59 AM
To: David J. Schmocker
Cc: AMSAT BB
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] need HEO .. please..
David,
"Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer. How is DXing possible without
HEO?"
It's very possible to work a DX with just the LEO sats we have now, heck
I'm in Oregon and have managed to work Spain and many other countries in
that area. The east coast ops are able to work DEEP into the EU and even
able to work EU with just FM on AO-91. 2M0SQL (Whom I have worked via LEO)
is in Scotland is able to work all the way to the west coast of US via
RS-44/AO-7 with passes almost daily, and yes those are LEO sats.
People who say "working DX isn't possible with LEO" need to take a look at
orbits, and probably get our of their comfort zone, you won't get much DX
on an overhead pass... you need to get out and work those 1* passes or
venture out more and get up on a hill and work a negative degree pass. LEO
DX is 100% possible!
Sadly, many are just complaining instead of using what we have and or
donating. Many of said complainers have no concept of the
design/skills/time/money/effort/programming/de-orbital requirements they
think its just wham bam the sat is in space.
Read more about what AMSAT is doing to go higher, and DONATE all on this
page!
https://www.amsat.org/greater-orbit-larger-footprint-an-introduction-to-the-am
sat-golf-program/
MEO or an HEO satellite sounds great and I can't wait, it would be fun and
allow me to work many more DX.
/R
KI7UNJ
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 4:57 AM David J. Schmocker via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Everyone:
> My thoughts are in full alignment with Joe's view.. "Why no HEO?"
> Without HEO, my interest in satellites is.. zero.
>
> Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer. How is DXing possible without
> HEO?
>
> My donations start and increase in proportion to the satellite orbital
> height.
>
> very 73,
>
> Dave KJ9I
>
> On 6/17/20 5:08 PM, Joe Leikhim via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > Zach; As a long time member of AMSAT, I can assure you I did donate
> > for the AO-40 project. But since that time there have been no
> > significant HEO projects.
> > LEO and primarily FM oriented satellites have been the rule. Year
> > after year, the focus has been on these short term, low earth projects
> > or ARISS.
> >
> > Who cares if an HEO requires COTS space rated modules to be considered
> > a payload? There is plenty of work to be done on the ground building
> > an earth station.
> >
> > Paul; Why no outreach to the industry. Elon Musk? A free AMSAT
> > membership, some Honorary AMSAT Knighthood? Anybody ever give him a
> > call?
> >
> > I know part of this is ITAR and the US basically screwing ourselves by
> > embargoing technology.
> >
> >
> > "Donate early, donate often.
> >
> > 2) No amateur-built hardware on the satellite -- Yes, specifying and
> > overseeing development takes a LOT of work. I do this for my day job,
> > not satellites, but just as complex. However, designing, building,
> > testing, and deploying amateur-built hardware is what I feel AMSAT is
> > all about.
> > --- Zach
> > N0ZGO"
> >
> > "There are many political and economic factors that made the
> > partnership with AMSAT-DL possible. "
> >
> > "the most senior political official we've had who was
> > active in amateur radio was Sen. Barry Goldwater. Currently, Rep. Greg
> > Walden is the only amateur radio operator I'm aware of in high levels
> > of government and he's retiring when his term ends in January.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Paul Stoetzer, N8HM
> > Executive Vice President
> > AMSAT"
> >
> > I really just hear excuses when others ask the same question, why no
> > HEO?
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
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