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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Foolishness (Kenneth P Alexander)
2. Re: Foolishness (John Spasojevich)
3. constructive suggestion (andy thomas)
4. Re: Foolishness (Rich Gopstein)
5. Directors Stoddard and Thompson (Bob Hammond)
6. Re: Directors Stoddard and Thompson (John Brier)
7. Re: Modeling the AA2TX Parasitic Lindenblad (Michelle Thompson)
8. Life Membership (Bob Hammond)
9. Re: Life Membership (Jim Walls)
10. Re: The Explanition Has Come (Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL)
11. Re: The Explanition Has Come (Jerry Buxton)
12. Re: Foolishness (Steve Conklin)
13. Re: Foolishness (Michelle Thompson)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 12:29:43 +0000
From: Kenneth P Alexander <ve3hls@?????.???>
To: Nick Pugh <quadpugh@?????????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Foolishness
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This is a hobby, but Amsat is the Corporation whose purpose is to provide
us with the means to enjoy our hobby.
The Board of Directors is elected by the membership...with (unfortunately)
all the political crap and personality clashes that come with elections.
There's nothing anybody can do about it except to support people you
believe are good and challenge decisions and policies you don't like.
I don't like what's been going on and I'm not completely convinced by the
Board's explanation so I try to get involved in my own small way. I hope
the Board can settle their differences as well. A lot has been said on
both sides that will make reconciliation difficult, but I live in hope.
73,
Ken Alexander, VE3HLS
So Phisai, Thailand
Blog: bueng-ken.com
On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 11:38 AM Nick Pugh via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> This is a hobby
>
> Spending money on lawyer instead of satellite is dumb
>
> My hope is you get on a Zoom call and put the fire out and take us to HEO
>
>
>
> Nickk k5qxj
>
>
>
> Cell 337 258 2527
>
>
>
> Helping UL become a world Class Engineering and Educational School
>
> Disagree I Learn
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 05:31:28 -0700
From: John Spasojevich <johnag9d@?????.???>
To: Amsat - BBs <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Foolishness
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All reads to me like a couple people broke into the old boys club and
weren?t welcomed to the playground. AMSAT has been run by the same people
for years and years and years. Then again not many run for office so our
choices are limited.
John AG9D
On Saturday, July 11, 2020, Nick Pugh via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> This is a hobby
>
> Spending money on lawyer instead of satellite is dumb
>
> My hope is you get on a Zoom call and put the fire out and take us to HEO
>
>
>
> Nickk k5qxj
>
>
>
> Cell 337 258 2527
>
>
>
> Helping UL become a world Class Engineering and Educational School
>
> Disagree I Learn
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 13:11:45 +0000 (UTC)
From: andy thomas <andythomasmail@?????.??.??>
To: amsat <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] constructive suggestion
Message-ID: <771703099.206473.1594473105606@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Suggest you take the -bb offline for a week while everyone cools down.
73 de andy g0sfj
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 09:37:32 -0400
From: Rich Gopstein <rich@????????????.???>
To: John Spasojevich <johnag9d@?????.???>
Cc: Amsat - BBs <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Foolishness
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I'm guessing it's more complex than that. I suspect this is really about
ORI and trying to get AMSAT to outsource their satellite engineering to
ORI. MIchelle Thompson is the CEO of ORI...
https://openresearch.institute/board-of-directors/
Rich, KD2CQ
AMSAT life member
On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 8:34 AM John Spasojevich via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> All reads to me like a couple people broke into the old boys club and
> weren?t welcomed to the playground. AMSAT has been run by the same people
> for years and years and years. Then again not many run for office so our
> choices are limited.
>
> John AG9D
>
> On Saturday, July 11, 2020, Nick Pugh via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> wrote:
>
> > This is a hobby
> >
> > Spending money on lawyer instead of satellite is dumb
> >
> > My hope is you get on a Zoom call and put the fire out and take us to HEO
> >
> >
> >
> > Nickk k5qxj
> >
> >
> >
> > Cell 337 258 2527
> >
> >
> >
> > Helping UL become a world Class Engineering and Educational School
> >
> > Disagree I Learn
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 07:41:30 -0700
From: Bob Hammond <propgrinder@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] Directors Stoddard and Thompson
Message-ID:
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I am able to find Director Thompson's bio but I'm unable to find anything
about Director Stoddard. Is there a bio with work history, background,
education, volunteer work, and so on?
I'm curious.
Bob W7OTJ
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 11:55:16 -0400
From: John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???>
To: Bob Hammond <propgrinder@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Directors Stoddard and Thompson
Message-ID:
<CALn0fKNo_Cpg58SBSqOeB0ZkQj5APmW22p2wiwvYqgu3Qx8q9A@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
http://amsat.wd9ewk.net/
73, John Brier KG4AKV
On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 10:43 AM Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> I am able to find Director Thompson's bio but I'm unable to find anything
> about Director Stoddard. Is there a bio with work history, background,
> education, volunteer work, and so on?
>
> I'm curious.
>
> Bob W7OTJ
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 09:28:47 -0700
From: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle@?????.???>
To: Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Modeling the AA2TX Parasitic Lindenblad
Message-ID:
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Yes, it's commercial and pricey. I was able to get a license donated for
community use.
The advantage of getting results from software like HFSS is that you have a
result to compare results from NEC against. It's not a replacement. It's an
additional result. Both/and, not either/or.
We have done this to test open source GSE and DVB-S2X work.
-Michelle W5NYV
On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 9:31 PM Zach Metzinger via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> On July 10, 2020 6:41:54 PM CDT, Michelle Thompson <
> mountain.michelle@?????.???> wrote:
> >Would HFSS help?
>
> Thank you for the offer, but HFSS is commercial and pricey. I have access
> to similar tools through my workplace, but this exercise should be solvable
> with nec2, I think. That way, others can build off of it, should they want
> to.
>
> --- Zach
> N0ZGO
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 09:30:20 -0700
From: Bob Hammond <propgrinder@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] Life Membership
Message-ID:
<CAKoB7Opd3G+o0fDbXPYhwMmndU6goMHJOkOO_qQ0E7Q-S8tu+Q@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
How does one change one's yearly membership to Life Membership?
I cannot find any method to do so on the launch.amsat.org web pages. And I
cannot rejoin as such either.
Bob W7OTJ
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 09:56:18 -0700
From: Jim Walls <jim@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Life Membership
Message-ID: <8382f96b-c969-36d0-81d2-5bef2ecaeaab@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
On 07/11/2020 09:30, Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> How does one change one's yearly membership to Life Membership?
>
> I cannot find any method to do so on the launch.amsat.org web pages. And I
> cannot rejoin as such either.
>
> Bob W7OTJ
>
Took less than 10 seconds to find.
https://launch.amsat.org/Mermbership
--
73
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Jim Walls - K6CCC
jim@?????.???
Ofc: 818-548-4804
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/k6ccc/
AMSAT Member 32537 - WSWSS Member 395
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 12:13:12 -0600
From: "Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL" <vlfiscus@???.???>
To: mountain.michelle@?????.???
Cc: Amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] The Explanition Has Come
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20200711113122.02122620@???.?????????.???>
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At 05:45 PM 7/10/2020 -0700, Michelle Thompson wrote:
>I've confronted the board about unauthorized spending. I brought receipts.
>
>Patrick deserves the majority of the credit for stopping this obscenely
>wasteful practice of hiring lawyers on the sly.
I side with the President and the decision of the BoD.
Spending the funds to address the issue for which these funds were expended,
to develop policies and procedures to help handle and prevent such problems
like this from ever happening again in the future is money well spent.
You and Patrick are the ones that need to reimburse the membership
for the expenses.
KB7ADL
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 12:21:59 -0500
From: Jerry Buxton <n0jy@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] The Explanition Has Come
Message-ID: <3cf7f7bc-1f49-6233-48d8-cabcc54723a5@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
On 7/11/2020 02:03, 73 Bob W7LRD via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> I believe all concerned should go stand in the corner!!
I do all of my volunteer jobs/work in a corner (room of the house) if
that counts...
Jerry Buxton, N?JY
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 11:36:10 -0500
From: Steve Conklin <steve@????????????.???>
To: Rich Gopstein <rich@????????????.???>
Cc: Amsat - BBs <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Foolishness
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On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 8:39 AM Rich Gopstein via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> I'm guessing it's more complex than that. I suspect this is really about
> ORI and trying to get AMSAT to outsource their satellite engineering to
> ORI. MIchelle Thompson is the CEO of ORI...
>
>
This is completely baseless.
I am an officer for ORI, and the projects that ORI is pursuing are almost
completely independent of AMSAT. ORI's space-related projects are focused
on digital mode microwave technologies, an emerging set of technologies
that AMSAT has not shown any substantial interest in or development for.
The current ORI project work for possible future space missions are
primarily for Lunar Gateway, which AMSAT has not expressed any interest in.
ORI has already produced open-source project outcomes which contribute to
both space-based and terrestrial experimentation and use cases.
All this is easily discoverable, because ORI has been transparent with both
their funding and engineering. Here's an update from last month.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRFYdNJbECA
Steve Conklin AI4QR
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 18:22:55 +0000
From: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle@?????.???>
To: Rich Gopstein <rich@????????????.???>
Cc: Amsat - BBs <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Foolishness
Message-ID:
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I can speak to this. Thank you for the opportunity.
It's the other way around. ORI provides all engineering to the general
public, free of charge.
We've pledged our successful fundraising to directly benefit AMSAT in every
way we know how. We've done significant legal and regulatory work to reduce
ITAR/EAR burden, produced a wide variety of software and firmware, and now
have the funds to prototype the hardware required for microwave broadband
communications payloads.
We've published open source implementations of the best forward error
correction codes that exist. We just bought a full Vivado floating license
that anyone in the community can use.
The board and associate members (we have no paid members, so we don't even
compete there) have been completely transparent about the intent and
purpose of the engineering done by ORI.
ORI is a Member Society of AMSAT.
It's odd how ORI is portrayed here, yet Directors current and previous that
have dual roles - such as working for NASA, working at Universities with
commercial satellite projects, and working for commercial satellite
companies - simply never get any criticism for using AMSAT to help their
career or projects. In many cases, AMSAT has been used to further outside
or commercial careers. Many of these people are unquestionably celebrated.
When someone (like myself) that starts a successful 501(c)(3) that works in
the opposite direction - freely giving to the organization and supporting
it whenever possible - one would hope it would be perceived as a positive.
All of this engineering and fundraising was the exact sort of thing I was
doing within AMSAT engineering. When Joe Spier shut down the entire
project, the dozens of people on the team asked if we could keep going.
Bruce Perens was instrumental here in helping set up a 501(c)(3) that could
operate as a research institute. And the rest is documented on our website.
While people like me shouldn't have to set up an entirely independent
formal structure to volunteer for the AMSAT community, it has turned out to
be fun, successful, and quite complementary to AMSAT's aims and purposes.
ORI is not a membership organization. It's not in competition for members.
We sign up AMSAT members at every event we hold. We promote AMSAT publicly.
If the leadership of AMSAT really wants to view organizations like ORI as
some sort of threat or crisis, then they are deliberately choosing to be
anti-collaborative.
If you have to have Directors that don't have any other interests outside
AMSAT, then you will end up with people that don't bring things like a
strong network, experiences, or other organizational assets to the job.
Should Tom Clark have been thrown off the AMSAT board because he was also
on the Virginia Tech Space Advisory Board? Should Brennan Price not be
Secretary because he works for Inmarsat?
The opposite is also true. Ordinary people with ordinary common sense
should also be in leadership. Diversity on the board can only improve it.
-Michelle W5NYV
On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:43 PM Rich Gopstein via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> I'm guessing it's more complex than that. I suspect this is really about
> ORI and trying to get AMSAT to outsource their satellite engineering to
> ORI. MIchelle Thompson is the CEO of ORI...
>
> https://openresearch.institute/board-of-directors/
>
> Rich, KD2CQ
> AMSAT life member
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 8:34 AM John Spasojevich via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> > All reads to me like a couple people broke into the old boys club and
> > weren?t welcomed to the playground. AMSAT has been run by the same people
> > for years and years and years. Then again not many run for office so our
> > choices are limited.
> >
> > John AG9D
> >
> > On Saturday, July 11, 2020, Nick Pugh via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > This is a hobby
> > >
> > > Spending money on lawyer instead of satellite is dumb
> > >
> > > My hope is you get on a Zoom call and put the fire out and take us to
> HEO
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Nickk k5qxj
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cell 337 258 2527
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Helping UL become a world Class Engineering and Educational School
> > >
> > > Disagree I Learn
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > Opinions
> > > expressed
> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of
> > > AMSAT-NA.
> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> > program!
> > > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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