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Today's Topics:
1. Re: WA9JBQ Request (Kevin) (kb2mjeff@???.????
2. Re: Modeling the AA2TX Parasitic Lindenblad (Zach Metzinger)
3. Re: WA9JBQ Request (Kevin) (Mike Diehl)
4. Re: Proposal for new list (johnv@????????.????
5. Re: WA9JBQ Request (Kevin) (Devin L. Ganger)
6. Re: Proposal for new list (sean fay)
7. Re: WA9JBQ Request (Kevin) (Jerry Buxton)
8. Re: huskysat-1 (Nick)
9. Re: Proposal for new list (Zach Metzinger)
10. Re: WA9JBQ Request (Kevin) (Mac A. Cody)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 18:16:23 -0400
From: <kb2mjeff@???.???>
To: "'Steve Kristoff'" <skristof@???????.???>
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] WA9JBQ Request (Kevin)
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I'm thinking Joe just had enough of all this BS, and I certainly don't blame
him....
73 Jeff kb2m
-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???> On Behalf Of Steve Kristoff via
AMSAT-BB
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 17:32
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] WA9JBQ Request (Kevin)
But what about all the money (members dues money!) spent on lawyers instead
of satellites? And after consulting with the lawyers the president resigns?!
Seems to me like it's time to clean house.
Steve AI9IN
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Bankston via AMSAT-BB (amsat-bb@?????.????
Date: 07/11/20 16:39
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] WA9JBQ Request (Kevin)
Patrick Stoddard and Michelle Thompson were emplaced on the Board as
Directors and aforded the same rights and privileges as the the other
elected and standing Directors. No one treated them as "second class"
Directors. In fact, every effort was made to welcome them on the Board.
Stoddard and Thompson had the ability to make motions, lead discussions and
vote, just as the other five directors, and they did. At no time were
either of them prevented from doing their elected duties. To say otherwise
is a completely FALSE statement. AMSAT is a nonprofit corporation with the
purpose of designing, building, launching, operating and promoting amateur
radio satellites and space communications. AMSAT's leadership and
volunteers work every day to do this. We have a lot of opportunities on the
horizon with GOLF-TEE, GOLF-1, our return to high Earth Orbits, and AREx.
AMSAT is no place for politics and political rhetoric. Let's get back to
work. Robert, KE4AL TreasurerVice-President, User ServicesDirector, AMSAT
AmbassadorsRadio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT)
On Saturday, July 11, 2020, 01:58:16 PM CDT, Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
<And how would you describe the ethics of the two newest boardmembers each
creating online blogs where they cast doubt on AMSAT andthe people running
it? A little over a month on the BOD and in Octalready on that blog posting
grievances.> Rememnber, the new members were duly elected and then
discriminated against because the board didn't like the fact that they won.
So, they were given a "junior' status, which is not what we elected them to
be. That is dirty pool. Very unethical.
Brad KC9UQR
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 17:20:24 -0500
From: Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Modeling the AA2TX Parasitic Lindenblad
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On 07/10/20 19:43, Curt Laumann via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> My intuition is guided by a couple of semesters of E&M and a few decades of
> antenna building and testing. BUT it's only my *intuition*, and I'd be
> very interested in hearing the results of any modeling!
>
> As an aside, I'm also working to build this antenna with my newly-acquired
> 3D printer, using PETG in fact! I'm redesigning the 70-cm Lindy as well as
> 2-m Lindy to use arrow shaft elements. In this manner the antenna will be
> easy to disassemble and easily portablized. Or transported :)
Hello Curt,
Thank you for the encouragement. I wish I recalled enough of my EM
Theory class for this, but I think I've repressed it ever since I eeked
out of it with a passing grade. Probably because the professor started a
class trying to derive something unrelated to homework or exams one day,
got to the end, then realized he'd made a mistake in the first 5
minutes. "You can just go back and fix that and it'll all work out."
I'm finishing up the 3D model right now, using openscad, and will kick
off the print tonight.
I plan to put the model up on my webpage for any/all to use, modify,
contribute back to, etc. once I have it working.
--- Zach
N0ZGO
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 18:24:02 -0400
From: Mike Diehl <diehl.mike.a@?????.???>
To: Jeff Davis <ke9v@???.???>
Cc: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] WA9JBQ Request (Kevin)
Message-ID: <635F4ADE-D5EC-49C8-AA87-5B52C0E213CD@?????.???>
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Jeff,
I?ll tell you why Bruce shows up like clockwork, it only takes a little
digging. Bruce founded ORI in 2018. Two years later it appears he is listed
as President Emeritus according to ORI?s site. You don?t need to be a rocket
surgeon to figure out why he comes around at election time. ORI appears to
have an interest in AMSAT resources.
I questioned Bruce?s intentions on Twitter during last election. I also
brought up that he only seems to stick around for about 2 years with
anything. He denied this but it seems he has proven me right because he
founded ORI in 2018 and is now apparently retired from the position.
Shocking, I know.
Read the entirety of his Wikipedia page and you will see why I think he?s a
short term pot stirrer. You?ll also see why it would be of no surprise to
anyone that AMSAT would need to lawyer up after he came onto the scene.
When you take a careful look around you?ll find we have a couple of snakes
in the grass. It?s not a matter of refusal to work with others but that we
have some that seem to want to work for their own interests and were met
with resistance.
73,
Mike Diehl
W8LID/VE6LID
>> On Jul 11, 2020, at 17:22, Jeff Davis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> ?
>> On Jul 11, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
>>
>> Rememnber, the new members were duly elected and then discriminated
against because the board didn't like the fact that they won. So, they were
given a "junior' status, which is not what we elected them to be. That is
dirty pool. Very unethical.
>> Brad KC9UQR
>
> This really is the crux of the matter. Dues paying members elect a certain
number of board members each cycle and if the other board members ?refuse?
to work with or acknowledge the new members (or choose to prevent them from
receiving access to corporate information that they are entitled to receive,
etc) then the entire process of voting seems a pointless exercise - as does
any reason for being a dues paying member.
>
> Anyone can chase satellites without ever paying a dime, more do than don?t.
>
> And despite what you think you know, it?s impossible for the general
?membership? to really know what?s going on here.
>
> ?Just trust us? never feels like a good answer even if it?s sometimes
right. Leaders may be telling the truth or lying through their teeth. We
have no way of knowing for certain who is telling the truth here. Making up
your mind will require choosing sides and dividing members in the process
and that?s not comfortable for anyone but it?s what?s happening at the moment.
>
> I?d like to know why the President resigned? Surely a couple of blog posts
didn?t break his will? Since I?m forced to speculate maybe he saw a peck of
trouble coming and wanted out of the role, but I don?t know for certain, do
I? And given the timing of all this, I?d also like to know if this is
related to the recent ARISS divorce from AMSAT? I have no reason to believe
it is - but I have no reason to believe it isn?t.
>
> I?m just as curious why K6BP shows up on an annual basis to tell us who we
should vote for? So far as I can tell, he's not an active satellite
enthusiast and has very little to say about this facet of the hobby until
election time when suddenly he reveals our numerous BIG problems and
proceeds to tell us who we should vote for to fix those problems. He seems
like an interloper to me, but again, I don?t know. Hell, he might actually
own AMSAT for all I know?
>
> Bottom line: throw everything written here in the dumpster and make one
simple change. Require members of the BoD to publish a list of potential BoD
members that they are going to refuse to work before every election. I?m no
longer interested in wasting time voting without that advance guidance.
>
> Jeff, KE9V
> AMSAT 28350
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 00:03:42 +0000 (UTC)
From: "johnv@????????.???? <johnv@????????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???? Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Proposal for new list
Message-ID: <737982444.296731.1594512222434@????.?????.???>
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I tend to agree since I have no idea what administrative problem(s) there
alleged? to be.???? It can be handled elsewhere.
This seems to be very minor when you compare it to how the individual states
are being "run" and as we go down the hole in a hand basket.???
I will not reply to anyone else since I will remove myself from this list
serve.
I'm not mad, just going away.
John
N7AME
Faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not
see.
On Saturday, July 11, 2020, 2:57:16 PM PDT, Zach Metzinger via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
Hello all,
I propose that a new list be created, separate from amsat-bb, for
discussion of administrative issues regarding AMSAT. This would improve
the SNR of amsat-bb for those of us who just want to play radio and work
satellites.
Thanks,
--- Zach
N0ZGO
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 00:05:13 +0000
From: "Devin L. Ganger" <devin@????????.???>
To: Kevin <wa7fwf@?????.???>, "amsat-bb@?????.????
<amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] WA9JBQ Request (Kevin)
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
One thing folks perhaps need to keep in mind before assigning motives is
that a clash of culture is likely a large component here. From the IT
industry over the past 25+ years and the rise of Open Source Software, I
have watched this culture clash time and again.
Many OSS advocates believe passionately in openness and transparency. All
the dirty laundry is hashed out in public. Getting The Work done is more
important than egos, personalities, and hurt feelings. If the process keeps
you from getting the work done, then you Chan the process. There is a lot of
merit in this point of view but it is not without its flaw; disputes can
become personal (or feel personal) very quickly on all sides, of The Work To
Be Done does not sufficiently define a scope that includes the social
environment. And arguably, one of the big components for AMSAT?s mission is
a social component for community-building and maintenance. This mindset
often clashes badly with more traditional corporate and government cultures.
At the same time, non-OSS culture has some pretty good things going for it
too.
I can only speak for myself, but I voted for some of the new directors
because I wanted to see them work together to bring some hybrid vigor to
AMSAT, not as a referendum to find-and-replace. I think everyone is acting
from good intentions, but all y?all need to figure out how to speak outside
of your comfortable paradigm and figure out a way to successfully co-exist.
--
Devin L. Ganger (WA7DLG)
email: devin@????????.???
web: Devin on Earth
cell: +1 425.239.2575
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From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???> on behalf of Kevin via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???>
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 1:19:19 PM
To: amsat-bb@?????.??? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] WA9JBQ Request (Kevin)
Brad,
Now that I have had time to read most of the wd9ewk blogs and
links, it's clear to me that he has an ax to grind against multiple
people in the AMSAT organization, some of it going back years.
The ink had barely dried on the ballots and he was already making
claims of poor treatment, maybe some who have tangled with him in the
past were not excited that he was elected, that's human nature.
But seriously, his Sept 30th entry "Unfortunately, AMSAT President
Joe Spier K6WAO has not shown leadership in the transition to the
newly-elected Board and its preparations for the upcoming meeting in
Virginia, and this is disappointing. " can you honestly look me in the
eye and say this is acceptable for someone who has just got onto the BOD
to say in a online blog? How could this ever be considered productive?
And then you expect everyone to ignore that and welcome him? Then
you read further and he proclaims that he is not sad at Joe resigning
and that he had called for his resignation the previous summer over
another matter!
No , I'm sorry but the more I read the more I believe He came in with
a attitude of wanting to make trouble.
That's my opinion, others should read the blog and links from the
beginning to end with a open mind and ask, does this look like someone
trying to make it work or someone looking for any reason to complain and
then post it online to create trouble for AMSAT?
keep in mind you are seeing a one sided blog only from the person who is
not happy.
http://amsat.wd9ewk.net/ <http://amsat.wd9ewk.net/>
Every member should read it, and then each decide for themselves if it's
an honest effort for progress or one huge complaint session.
Kevin WA7FWF #19623
On 7/11/2020 11:57 AM, Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> <And how would you describe the ethics of the two newest boardmembers each
creating online blogs where they cast doubt on AMSAT andthe people running
it? A little over a month on the BOD and in Octalready on that blog posting
grievances.>
> Rememnber, the new members were duly elected and then discriminated
against because the board didn't like the fact that they won. So, they were
given a "junior' status, which is not what we elected them to be. That is
dirty pool. Very unethical.
> Brad KC9UQR
>
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 19:11:09 -0500
From: sean fay <spatrickfay@?????.???>
To: Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT -BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Proposal for new list
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Why bother being a member of a non profit if you don't want engagement in
the inner workings.
On Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 4:57 PM Zach Metzinger via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I propose that a new list be created, separate from amsat-bb, for
> discussion of administrative issues regarding AMSAT. This would improve
> the SNR of amsat-bb for those of us who just want to play radio and work
> satellites.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --- Zach
> N0ZGO
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> expressed
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 19:26:47 -0500
From: Jerry Buxton <n0jy@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] WA9JBQ Request (Kevin)
Message-ID: <48e36178-6159-103c-7b7c-d7d06f48233d@?????.???>
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On 7/11/2020 17:16, Jeff via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> I'm thinking Joe just had enough of all this BS, and I certainly don't
blame him....
I will say that just like everyone, there are "real life" things that
come up and demand and deserve the attention even if it impacts our
hobby.? AMSAT Officers really are very dedicated volunteers and the
hours are long (as my wife liked to say, "I saw more of you when you got
paid to work.")? Real life can slam what hours we have grown used to
giving our hobby and that easily causes the appearance of neglect or
wondering why an Officer appears to have gone AWOL.? Since the real life
stuff is often personal, despite the amount of sharing or appearances
any volunteer is known for most are not willing to share their personal
life and problems with fellow hams everywhere via the same media they
usually use.? Most probably don't even happen to think about any
unexplained absence perceived by anyone beyond letting our other
Officers and team leads know.? And when it gets too deep something's
gotta give, and it will be hobby/volunteer time spent toward others but
the information shared publicly is often "personal reasons" for the
obvious reason.? I don't think Joe or anyone else who has had to step
down or step back from any position and effort they have been
volunteering to AMSAT take that decision lightly or without reluctance
when it comes.
Having had enough is certainly something that would be understandable
since this is "just a hobby" but the reason for departure is not as
likely to be a somber "personal reasons".? It's probably a much more
lively response, I would imagine!?? hihi
Jerry Buxton, N?JY
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 20:26:59 -0400
From: Nick <nicholasmahr1@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] huskysat-1
Message-ID:
<CAGu+VYuLe4GSZNs1xJw7urzNLwf=d9DG-zKqhOq7P5EFW4H8hA@????.?????.???>
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Jerry,
Very nice to hear a update on HO-107. We appreciate you and the engineering
teams hard work on the LTM module projects. Do we know why HO-107 got to
80c other then the full illumination period? Would there be a way to
mitigate that in the future or is it just something that has to be dealt
with? I know AO-85 suffered a similar fate of heat stroke but lasted many
years. Looking foward to seeing AMSAT partner with many others to get the
LTM module into orbit. Regardless of it only working 3 months, it is still
a rousing sucess that will lead to many more launches with other partners.
Thanks, Nick KE8AKW
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 19:48:41 -0500
From: Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@?????.???>
To: AMSAT -BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Proposal for new list
Message-ID: <a98e49c4-b9cc-d611-e8fa-596b55a2b136@?????.???>
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On 2020-07-11 19:11, sean fay wrote:
> Why bother being a member of a non profit if you don't want engagement
> in the inner workings.
One might also ask: "Why bother being an Amateur Radio operator unless
you want to build your own equipment from scratch?"
Everyone has some aspect of this hobby that they enjoy.
There are various areas of interest for me, and mud-slinging is not one
of them. Building stuff is what I'm here for, and I'm heavily engaged in
that.
--- Zach
N0ZGO
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 21:52:47 -0500
From: "Mac A. Cody" <maccody@???.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] WA9JBQ Request (Kevin)
Message-ID: <ce881b44-7bfd-5fb6-eff2-2b6498efc57c@???.???>
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As a means of affirming what Jerry has stated here, I'll comment
about my own experiences.? A few years ago, I volunteered to
help out on the AMSAT-SDR project.? Unfortunately, I had to bow
out because my employer was concerned about possible conflict of
interest.? It sucked, but I didn't want to place AMSAT, or the
other individuals that had volunteered to help, in a situation that
might impact the use of the technologies that were developed. If
anything, it spurred AMSAT to draw up a policy document on how to
address this type of conflict of interest.
I used to be a relatively frequent presence on the FM satellites,
but my involvement has pretty much ceased due to my work.? Let's
just say that I have developed some technologies in recent years,
some supporting the field of satellite networking, that are
starting to take off.? Consequently, my free time has become more
dominated by other priorities.
Sometimes life gets in the way.? Sometimes the reasons are good
and other times they are not.? We just have to be patient when it
happens to us and understanding when it happens to others.
73,
Mac Cody / AE5PH
On 7/11/20 7:26 PM, Jerry Buxton via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> On 7/11/2020 17:16, Jeff via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>> I'm thinking Joe just had enough of all this BS, and I certainly don't
blame him....
> I will say that just like everyone, there are "real life" things that
> come up and demand and deserve the attention even if it impacts our
> hobby.? AMSAT Officers really are very dedicated volunteers and the
> hours are long (as my wife liked to say, "I saw more of you when you got
> paid to work.")? Real life can slam what hours we have grown used to
> giving our hobby and that easily causes the appearance of neglect or
> wondering why an Officer appears to have gone AWOL.? Since the real life
> stuff is often personal, despite the amount of sharing or appearances
> any volunteer is known for most are not willing to share their personal
> life and problems with fellow hams everywhere via the same media they
> usually use.? Most probably don't even happen to think about any
> unexplained absence perceived by anyone beyond letting our other
> Officers and team leads know.? And when it gets too deep something's
> gotta give, and it will be hobby/volunteer time spent toward others but
> the information shared publicly is often "personal reasons" for the
> obvious reason.? I don't think Joe or anyone else who has had to step
> down or step back from any position and effort they have been
> volunteering to AMSAT take that decision lightly or without reluctance
> when it comes.
> Having had enough is certainly something that would be understandable
> since this is "just a hobby" but the reason for departure is not as
> likely to be a somber "personal reasons".? It's probably a much more
> lively response, I would imagine!?? hihi
>
> Jerry Buxton, N?JY
>
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
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