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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: WA9JBQ Request (Kevin) (W3AB/GEO)
   2. Re: Proposal for new list (bernd1peters@?????.????
   3. Re: Foolishness (Michelle Thompson)
   4. Re: WA9JBQ Request (Kevin) (Michelle Thompson)
   5. Re: Proposal for new list (Matthias Bopp)
   6. Re: Proposal for new list (Alan)
   7. Re: Proposal for new list (Jean Marc Momple)
   8. Re: Proposal for new list (Daniel Schultz)
   9. Re: AMSAT Leadership Explanation ... (Michelle Thompson)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 20:53:55 -0700
From: W3AB/GEO <w3ab@?????.???>
To: "Mac A. Cody" <maccody@???.???>
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] WA9JBQ Request (Kevin)
Message-ID: <6011b4bf-88be-47a9-9ca1-839966207b04@?????.???>
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Well stated Mac.

?___
Sent from my two way wrist watch
73 de W3AB/GEO?

On Jul 11, 2020, 19:55, at 19:55, "Mac A. Cody via AMSAT-BB"
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>As a means of affirming what Jerry has stated here, I'll comment
>about my own experiences.? A few years ago, I volunteered to
>help out on the AMSAT-SDR project.? Unfortunately, I had to bow
>out because my employer was concerned about possible conflict of
>interest.? It sucked, but I didn't want to place AMSAT, or the
>other individuals that had volunteered to help, in a situation that
>might impact the use of the technologies that were developed. If
>anything, it spurred AMSAT to draw up a policy document on how to
>address this type of conflict of interest.
>
>I used to be a relatively frequent presence on the FM satellites,
>but my involvement has pretty much ceased due to my work.? Let's
>just say that I have developed some technologies in recent years,
>some supporting the field of satellite networking, that are
>starting to take off.? Consequently, my free time has become more
>dominated by other priorities.
>
>Sometimes life gets in the way.? Sometimes the reasons are good
>and other times they are not.? We just have to be patient when it
>happens to us and understanding when it happens to others.
>
>73,
>
>Mac Cody / AE5PH
>
>On 7/11/20 7:26 PM, Jerry Buxton via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>> On 7/11/2020 17:16, Jeff via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>>> I'm thinking Joe just had enough of all this BS, and I certainly
>don't blame him....
>> I will say that just like everyone, there are "real life" things that
>> come up and demand and deserve the attention even if it impacts our
>> hobby.? AMSAT Officers really are very dedicated volunteers and the
>> hours are long (as my wife liked to say, "I saw more of you when you
>got
>> paid to work.")? Real life can slam what hours we have grown used to
>> giving our hobby and that easily causes the appearance of neglect or
>> wondering why an Officer appears to have gone AWOL.? Since the real
>life
>> stuff is often personal, despite the amount of sharing or appearances
>> any volunteer is known for most are not willing to share their
>personal
>> life and problems with fellow hams everywhere via the same media they
>> usually use.? Most probably don't even happen to think about any
>> unexplained absence perceived by anyone beyond letting our other
>> Officers and team leads know.? And when it gets too deep something's
>> gotta give, and it will be hobby/volunteer time spent toward others
>but
>> the information shared publicly is often "personal reasons" for the
>> obvious reason.? I don't think Joe or anyone else who has had to step
>> down or step back from any position and effort they have been
>> volunteering to AMSAT take that decision lightly or without
>reluctance
>> when it comes.
>> Having had enough is certainly something that would be understandable
>> since this is "just a hobby" but the reason for departure is not as
>> likely to be a somber "personal reasons".? It's probably a much more
>> lively response, I would imagine!?? hihi
>>
>> Jerry Buxton, N?JY
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>of AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>program!
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>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>Opinions expressed
>are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>of AMSAT-NA.
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>program!
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 21:13:47 -0700
From: <bernd1peters@?????.???>
To: <johnv@????????.???>, "'Zach Metzinger'" <zmetzing@?????.???>,
<amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Proposal for new list
Message-ID: <0b4e01d65802$d79b5af0$86d210d0$@?????.???>
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Agree, one list for radio and another one for politics and lawyers

Bernd - KB7AK

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???> On Behalf Of johnv--- via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 5:04 PM
To: amsat-bb@?????.???? Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Proposal for new list

I tend to agree since I have no idea what administrative problem(s) there
alleged  to be.     It can be handled elsewhere.
This seems to be very minor when you compare it to how the individual states
are being "run" and as we go down the hole in a hand basket.

I will not reply to anyone else since I will remove myself from this list
serve.
I'm not mad, just going away.

John
N7AME


Faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not
see.


    On Saturday, July 11, 2020, 2:57:16 PM PDT, Zach Metzinger via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:


Hello all,

I propose that a new list be created, separate from amsat-bb, for
discussion of administrative issues regarding AMSAT. This would improve
the SNR of amsat-bb for those of us who just want to play radio and work
satellites.

Thanks,

--- Zach
N0ZGO
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb



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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 22:14:33 -0700
From: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle@?????.???>
To: Rich Gopstein <rich@????????????.???>
Cc: Amsat - BBs <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Foolishness
Message-ID:
<CACvjz2XuYCvWsoEqjUETnMO1sUxtduv-khM2a=yEQb6at_2M+Q@????.?????.???>
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The only agenda is to serve the members.

I want to work with people that provide basic corporate oversight, support
the ITAR/EAR public domain carve outs, and see the value in microwave
broadband digital payload work.

That won't happen with the incumbents.

They can't even be bothered to hold meetings.

Therefore, I and others have spoken up.

Please send us a team that can get ambitious things done.

-Michelle W5NYV


On Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 14:25 Rich Gopstein <rich@????????????.???> wrote:

> Thanks Michelle.  I did not intend to imply that people associated with
> ORI shouldn't be on the AMSAT board.  I'm trying to understand if there's
> an agenda behind a multi-year attempt at getting a majority on the AMSAT
> board - including very public accusations against the existing board and
> leadership.
>
> I think that would help people make up their mind about how to vote.
>
> Rich
> KD2CQ
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 2:23 PM Michelle Thompson <
> mountain.michelle@?????.???> wrote:
>
>> I can speak to this. Thank you for the opportunity.
>>
>> It's the other way around. ORI provides all engineering to the general
>> public, free of charge.
>>
>> We've pledged our successful fundraising to directly benefit AMSAT in
>> every way we know how. We've done significant legal and regulatory work to
>> reduce ITAR/EAR burden, produced a wide variety of software and firmware,
>> and now have the funds to prototype the hardware required for microwave
>> broadband communications payloads.
>>
>> We've published open source implementations of the best forward error
>> correction codes that exist. We just bought a full Vivado floating license
>> that anyone in the community can use.
>>
>> The board and associate members (we have no paid members, so we don't
>> even compete there) have been completely transparent about the intent and
>> purpose of the engineering done by ORI.
>>
>> ORI is a Member Society of AMSAT.
>>
>> It's odd how ORI is portrayed here, yet Directors current and previous
>> that have dual roles - such as working for NASA, working at Universities
>> with commercial satellite projects, and working for commercial satellite
>> companies - simply never get any criticism for using AMSAT to help their
>> career or projects. In many cases, AMSAT has been used to further outside
>> or commercial careers. Many of these people are unquestionably celebrated.
>>
>> When someone (like myself) that starts a successful 501(c)(3) that works
>> in the opposite direction - freely giving to the organization and
>> supporting it whenever possible - one would hope it would be perceived as a
>> positive.
>>
>> All of this engineering and fundraising was the exact sort of thing I was
>> doing within AMSAT engineering. When Joe Spier shut down the entire
>> project, the dozens of people on the team asked if we could keep going.
>> Bruce Perens was instrumental here in helping set up a 501(c)(3) that could
>> operate as a research institute. And the rest is documented on our website.
>>
>> While people like me shouldn't have to set up an entirely independent
>> formal structure to volunteer for the AMSAT community, it has turned out to
>> be fun, successful, and quite complementary to AMSAT's aims and purposes.
>>
>> ORI is not a membership organization. It's not in competition for
>> members. We sign up AMSAT members at every event we hold. We promote AMSAT
>> publicly.
>>
>> If the leadership of AMSAT really wants to view organizations like ORI as
>> some sort of threat or crisis, then they are deliberately choosing to be
>> anti-collaborative.
>>
>> If you have to have Directors that don't have any other interests outside
>> AMSAT, then you will end up with people that don't bring things like a
>> strong network, experiences, or other organizational assets to the job.
>>
>> Should Tom Clark have been thrown off the AMSAT board because he was also
>> on the Virginia Tech Space Advisory Board? Should Brennan Price not be
>> Secretary because he works for Inmarsat?
>>
>> The opposite is also true. Ordinary people with ordinary common sense
>> should also be in leadership. Diversity on the board can only improve it.
>>
>> -Michelle W5NYV
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:43 PM Rich Gopstein via AMSAT-BB <
>> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm guessing it's more complex than that.  I suspect this is really about
>>> ORI and trying to get AMSAT to outsource their satellite engineering to
>>> ORI.  MIchelle Thompson is the CEO of ORI...
>>>
>>> https://openresearch.institute/board-of-directors/
>>>
>>> Rich, KD2CQ
>>> AMSAT life member
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 8:34 AM John Spasojevich via AMSAT-BB <
>>> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>>>
>>> > All reads to me like a couple people broke into the old boys club and
>>> > weren?t welcomed to the playground. AMSAT has been run by the same
>>> people
>>> > for years and years and years. Then again not many run for office so
>>> our
>>> > choices are limited.
>>> >
>>> > John AG9D
>>> >
>>> > On Saturday, July 11, 2020, Nick Pugh via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???
>>> >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > This is a hobby
>>> > >
>>> > > Spending money on lawyer instead of satellite is dumb
>>> > >
>>> > > My hope is you get on a Zoom call and put the fire out and take us
>>> to HEO
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Nickk k5qxj
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Cell      337 258 2527
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Helping UL become a world Class Engineering  and Educational School
>>> > >
>>> > > Disagree I Learn
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > _______________________________________________
>>> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
>>> available
>>> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>>> > Opinions
>>> > > expressed
>>> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
>>> views of
>>> > > AMSAT-NA.
>>> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>> > program!
>>> > > Subscription settings:
>>> https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>> > >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>>> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>>> Opinions
>>> > expressed
>>> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>>> of
>>> > AMSAT-NA.
>>> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>> program!
>>> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>> >
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>>> Opinions expressed
>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>>> AMSAT-NA.
>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>> program!
>>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>>
>>


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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 22:25:57 -0700
From: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle@?????.???>
To: Robert Bankston <ke4al@?????.???>, Robert Bankston
<ke4al@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] WA9JBQ Request (Kevin)
Message-ID:
<CACvjz2XZ+vv1O9-Ujx=TU5MRucLN=E9ZAo4Foo1xX5LRquUyzg@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

That isn't true.

What you are saying is an easily disproven lie.

It took a demand letter, spelling out DC corporate code, to get access to
ordinary corporate documents and communications.

That is a simple legal fact, confirmed by Clayton Coleman himself.

You can have your own opinions, but you do not get to have your own facts.

If the members reading this want change, then please change the leadership.

-Michelle W5NYV

On Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 13:41 Robert Bankston via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:

> Patrick Stoddard and Michelle Thompson were emplaced on the Board as
> Directors and aforded the same rights and privileges as the the other
> elected and standing Directors.  No one treated them as "second class"
> Directors.  In fact, every effort was made to welcome them on the Board.
>  Stoddard and Thompson had the ability to make motions, lead discussions
> and vote, just as the other five directors, and they did.   At no time were
> either of them prevented from doing their elected duties.  To say otherwise
> is a completely FALSE statement. AMSAT is a nonprofit corporation with the
> purpose of designing, building, launching, operating and promoting amateur
> radio satellites and space communications.  AMSAT's leadership and
> volunteers work every day to do this.  We have a lot of opportunities on
> the horizon with GOLF-TEE, GOLF-1, our return to high Earth Orbits, and
> AREx.   AMSAT is no place for politics and political rhetoric.  Let's get
> back to work.    Robert, KE4AL
> TreasurerVice-President, User ServicesDirector, AMSAT AmbassadorsRadio
> Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT)
>
>     On Saturday, July 11, 2020, 01:58:16 PM CDT, Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
>  <And how would you describe the ethics of the two newest boardmembers
> each creating online blogs where they cast doubt on AMSAT andthe people
> running it? A little over a month on the BOD and in Octalready on that blog
> posting grievances.>
> Rememnber, the new members were duly elected and then discriminated
> against because the board didn't like the fact that they won. So, they were
> given a "junior' status, which is not what we elected them to be. That is
> dirty pool. Very unethical.
> Brad KC9UQR
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>


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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 09:21:55 +0000
From: Matthias Bopp <matthias.bopp@?????.??>
To: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Proposal for new list
Message-ID:
<LEXPR01MB049322C02B524499682BE3F4DE630@?????????????.????????.????.???????.??
>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi,

My understanding is that the AMSAT-BB was meant to be an international forum
for AMSAT members and people interested in it, not just for AMSAT-NA.

Presently it seems to me that it is dominantly an AMSAT-NA forum dealing
with internal problems in a way, which is harming the image of AMSAT
worldwide.
Many people might confuse "AMSAT-NA" with "AMSAT" worldwide respectively
other national AMSAT organizations.

Therefore, I support the proposal from Zach to move the AMSAT-NA internal
non-technical discussions to a separate "AMSAT-NA" forum.

Kind regards

Matthias

www.dd1us.de


On Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 4:57 PM Zach Metzinger via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:

>
> Hello all,
>
> I propose that a new list be created, separate from amsat-bb, for
> discussion of administrative issues regarding AMSAT. This would
> improve the SNR of amsat-bb for those of us who just want to play
> radio and work satellites.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --- Zach
> N0ZGO
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect
> the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all
interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
views of AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb


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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 06:40:15 -0500
From: "Alan" <wa4sca@?????.???>
To: <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Proposal for new list
Message-ID: <000001d65841$368bf9f0$a3a3edd0$@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

I sympathize about concerns for discussion forums which become monopolized
by something which is profoundly uninteresting or even offensive. Going
offline until it dies down or moving to another venue are viable solutions,
and I have utilized both. However, in some cases that is a double edged
sword.

I used to be a member of an international social/hobby organization which
dwarfs AMSAT and even the ARRL in membership and finances. Paraphrasing and
compressing the situation somewhat, we had an initially very small but
focused group of "reformers" who wished to make changes to the organization
to modernize it, and to push "the old guard" out. There were many soothing
words, and the "reformers" became very adept at using the organizations own
rules in creative ways to further their cause. Many of the local chapters
explicitly or implicitly discouraged any discussions of the issues since
that always resulted in "conflict." It came to pass that the reformers
achieved their goals, and set about instituting their enlightened policies.
Despite all the honeyed words, nothing which was promised about new members
and projects came to pass. The organization currently still exists, but with
cratering membership and finances.

So how does that apply here? I encounter people I used to know there who are
wondering what happened, and how? "Why didn't somebody warn us?!" Some had
been the most adamant in keeping anything which would cause "conflict" out.
For me, a classic case of not being sure whether to laugh or cry. Of course
what can take a generation in a large organization can happen in the blink
of an eye in a small one. If you don't pay attention now, you may well be
wondering what happened sooner rather than later. A true cautionary tale
that sometimes what you do not wish to deal with is what you should give the
most attention. Choose wisely.

73,

Alan
WA4SCA




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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 18:49:01 +0400
From: Jean Marc Momple <jean.marc.momple@?????.???>
To: Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@?????.???>
Cc: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Proposal for new list
Message-ID: <54EF6DBA-9A1C-466A-BA91-0B36506B73FD@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8

Zach,

I also support your proposal or suggest to the AMSAT-NA (I am a member)
leaders to stop asap the politics on the BB which to my humble opinion is
not an electoral platform were the mud should be thrown, but a platform for
international exchange of ideas, sharing infos and friendship. I also agree
with Matthias that all this is tarnishing our image worldwide thus reducing
our chances for sponsorship and towards authorities such as regulators
across the globe. The harm has already be made but let's try to mitigate the
consequences by acting ?professionally? and try to correct things now.

The opponents have other means such as direct mail, the blogs, facebook etc?
to make their point to AMSAT-NA members for the coming elections, my opinion
is already made about all this dispute and I will vote accordingly.

73


Jean Marc (3B8DU)



> On Jul 12, 2020, at 1:21 PM, Matthias Bopp via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> My understanding is that the AMSAT-BB was meant to be an international
forum for AMSAT members and people interested in it, not just for AMSAT-NA.
>
> Presently it seems to me that it is dominantly an AMSAT-NA forum dealing
with internal problems in a way, which is harming the image of AMSAT
worldwide.
> Many people might confuse "AMSAT-NA" with "AMSAT" worldwide respectively
other national AMSAT organizations.
>
> Therefore, I support the proposal from Zach to move the AMSAT-NA internal
non-technical discussions to a separate "AMSAT-NA" forum.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Matthias
>
> www.dd1us.de
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 4:57 PM Zach Metzinger via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I propose that a new list be created, separate from amsat-bb, for
>> discussion of administrative issues regarding AMSAT. This would
>> improve the SNR of amsat-bb for those of us who just want to play
>> radio and work satellites.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> --- Zach
>> N0ZGO
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect
>> the official views of AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to
all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb



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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 23:32:04 -0400
From: "Daniel Schultz" <n8fgv@???.???>
To: <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Proposal for new list
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> I propose that a new list be created, separate from amsat-bb, for
> discussion of administrative issues regarding AMSAT. This would improve
> the SNR of amsat-bb for those of us who just want to play radio and work
> satellites.
>
>There are various areas of interest for me, and mud-slinging is not one
>of them. Building stuff is what I'm here for, and I'm heavily engaged in
>that.


These satellites don't just build themselves. If you choose not to get
involved with YOUR organization, then don't post on amsat-bb someday wondering
why there are no more satellites available for you to "play radio" with.

For some, this may be "just a hobby", for those who volunteer to serve AMSAT
with their personal time and effort, it is much more than "just a hobby". I
believe that every volunteer comes to AMSAT to serve the cause of keeping
amateur radio in space, but may see different ways to move the organization
forward toward that goal.

There is a Board election coming up very soon. Like all elections, it behooves
you as a good citizen of AMSAT to be informed of the issues and make a wise
choice in voting for your elected representatives. As my high school civics
teacher (and probably yours) said, "if you don't vote, you don't have a right
to complain".

73, Dan Schultz N8FGV



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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 08:16:07 -0700
From: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle@?????.???>
To: APBIDDLE@???????.???? Alan <wa4sca@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Leadership Explanation ...
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The unauthorized expenditures have been admitted to.

Months of attempts to call a board meeting and address it internally have
been made.

This failed.

Legal advice was sought. We proceeded carefully, and documented what we did
along the way.

This worked.

Patrick and I are in the clear.

The officer and employee who signed these checks are not.

They claim the entire board knew about it.

There are no records of this contract. It was not disclosed to us when we
joined. Adding in denial of access, we have problems only an election can
solve.

Unlike other things we do, this isn't rocket science.

Speaking up to give members a chance to get a functional board, before an
election, is simply the right thing to do.

I didn't select the weekend the nominations to the board were announced.

Preferring I resign instead of allowing a large amount of unrepentantly
unauthorized spending to continue is a mistake. Understandable though. This
is upsetting. Please try not to shoot the messengers too many times.

Members should get real value out of the membership. They should not have
to pay for secretly hired law firms. Especially for such trivial and easily
resolved reasons.

Criticism isn't an existential crisis. Unauthorized spending definitely is.

If members agree with spending their money this way, then they will vote to
return the same people to their jobs.

I have faith in great potential for improvement. There are candidates that
will follow the law and the bylaws and were willing to step forward.
Robert, Howie, and Jeff.

We are fortunate to have a choice. This year it makes a big difference.

Michelle W5NYV



On Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 00:52 Alan via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:

> I read the recent allegations by Directors Stoddard and Thompson of
> improper
> behavior on the part of some AMSAT Officers and Directors with concern, but
> also caution. Concern, because nothing remotely similar has occurred in the
> 30+ years I have been a Member and sometimes Board Member. Caution, because
> the nature of the accusations and particularly the timing during a holiday
> week in the AMSAT election cycle had all the hallmarks of a cynical
> political hit. That is now the most plausible explanation. If they believed
> the serious allegations to be true, it was irresponsible not to have
> brought
> them to the attention of the Members before now. These accusations were
> either carefully crafted for maximum political effect, or to put the most
> charitable face on it, represent genuinely honest concern but egregious
> errors in judgement by the accusers.
>
> I call on Directors Thompson and Stoddard, in light of these unwarranted
> accusations, to apologize publically to both those they have so grievously
> misrepresented, and to the Members for the harm they have caused AMSAT. It
> would be honorable to resign because of how badly they have broken trust
> with the organization and its Members. Lacking that, at a minimum they
> should pledge not to seek reelection. If as they claim they represent a
> vision with wide support, surely they can find genuinely qualified
> candidates to replace them without their baggage.
>
> Hopefully AMSAT Members will consider carefully which current Board
> candidates have either expressed support for these failed Directors, or
> been
> endorsed by them. There are other, better, proven candidates.
>
> Alan Biddle
> WA4SCA
> Past Board Member and Corporate Secretary
>
>
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