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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Members Please Read (Kevin)
2. Re: Members Please Read (Fernando Ramirez)
3. Re: Members Please Read (Chad KG0MW)
4. Re: Members Please Read (Jeff Moore)
5. AMSAT Member Mailing list (Kevin)
6. Re: Good news - Floating Vivado license available for
community use (Michelle Thompson)
7. Re: Members Please Read (Daron Wilson)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 18:15:04 -0700
From: Kevin <wa7fwf@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Members Please Read
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Since you are not a member Jeff you would not have received the email
that we all did clearly stating that there was no unauthorized spending.
You can read it here...
https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/20200710_AMSAT_Lead
ership_Explains_Legal_Expenses.pdf
Kevin WA7FWF #19623
On 7/12/2020 4:12 PM, Jeff Moore via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> You don't cover up unauthorized spending and you don't spend money you
> aren't cleared to spend! Let the parties involved explain this thoroughly
> or have an independent 3rd party do so! Either way, we are all due the
> facts, not conjecture, and character support statements! LET THE FACTS
> SPEAK TO THE SITUATION NOT OPINIONS!!
>
> 7 3
> Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 3:51 PM Chad KG0MW via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> wrote:
>
>> I did read and do not believe what they are accusing the board of. I feel
>> I know that board members well enough to put my support behind them. I have
>> never met anyone involved with AMSAT that wanted to hurt the organization
>> in any way. To say they misspent the money I feel is wrong. They did so to
>> protect the organization. Sadly lawyers are not cheap and the money had to
>> be spent. The accusations is what will tear us at the seams?
>>
>> chad
>>
>>
>>
>> Chad Phillips
>> KG0MW
>> Amsat Ambassador
>> www.kg0mw.com
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 12, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Joseph Armbruster via AMSAT-BB <
>> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>>> Brad,
>>>
>>> What transparency and progress has been brought to the organization
>>> from the members that you speak of? Specifically? It appears that
>>> since they were voted in, everyone in the organization is now walking
>>> on egg-shells. The BB is now plastered with emails asking which words
>>> mean what feelings, name calling and chasing after the organization
>>> using whatever legal means the wizards-of-smart can conjure up all in
>>> the name of almighty, all-righeous, '''transparency'''. It all seems
>>> rather insincere and unproductive to me. People like this should do
>>> the organization a favor, and leave, run their own competing
>>> organization and take whatever people and dollars happen to follow
>>> them.
>>>
>>> I would honestly like to return to the ARISSat-1 days, where it was
>>> just full-speed-ahead engineering and not all this talk all about
>>> 'saving AMSAT' and ORI garbage. All this ORI promotion on the BB, is
>>> absolute garbage. No rational AMSAT member should be OK with that,
>>> especially from an AMSAT BOD member. ORI is a separate, competing
>>> organization and their bylaws are..... telling. If AMSATs bylaws were
>>> ever amended to be anything like those, you can kiss your membership
>>> goodbye, ref: https://openresearch.institute/organization-documents.
>>> Their bylaws literally say "Membership shall consist of the Board of
>>> Directors.". Quite an Open organization, indeed!
>>>
>>> But I digress... The more of these kinds of people you vote in, the
>>> more the organization is going to be hurt, guaranteed. Because not
>>> only is nothing going to get done, obviously some people don't want to
>>> work with them for whatever-reasons and THAT actually is important.
>>> And, the reasons are important too. Have you wondered why...? I do!
>>> As a small business owner, when I hear such-and-such doesn't want to
>>> work with so-and-so, I immediately want to ask "What happened"? From
>>> what the email traffic looks like, it seems like you may have to worry
>>> about legal action for everything you say or do around them or, maybe
>>> there was some pre-election history that most of the people that voted
>>> for them, didn't know about. I have no clue, but this all does make
>>> me wonder.
>>>
>>> Either way, it seems like the state of things right now is Much Worst
>>> than it was prior-to the last election, so... Not sure why anyone
>>> would want more of this. For me, the socio-political environment is
>>> just as important as the engi-nerding portion.. At the very least,
>>> BOD members need to be promoting the organization they are on the
>>> board of and noone should have to worry about legal retaliation over
>>> every little thing.
>>>
>>> Joseph Armbruster
>>> KJ4JIO
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 3:58 PM Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB
>>> <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>>>> If you care about the AMSAT organization continuing to help hams in
>> space communications, please read and reread Patrick's and Michelle's
>> explanations. They layout exactly what happened. Now we learn that the
>> expenditure is over 16k. That is 363 memberships, if this retired
>> engineer's math is correct. This is money wasted to beat down two members
>> who want transparency and progress. This was not right. Our money was
>> wasted! I am anxious for the election.
>>>> Again, I ask that members do not resign over this. That helps nobody
>> and hurts out hobby, which has already taken a huge hit. Solve this with
>> your voting privilege.
>>>> 73 Brad KC9UQR
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions expressed
>>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>> of AMSAT-NA.
>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> program!
>>>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions expressed
>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> program!
>>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
>> expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 18:38:09 -0700
From: Fernando Ramirez <framirezferrer@?????.???>
To: AMSAT -BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Members Please Read
Message-ID:
<CAGHXx8h4HGV52_iV66TGYHS4D0OXbQ6paWedid7f5kQ5C0N-AQ@????.?????.???>
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My memory is hazy but I kind of remember seeing something about publishing
a text without giving prior credit to the author. Also remember you asking
an AMSAT officer if he was talking to you as an individual or as a
representative from the organization. Fishing for another lawsuit threat?
"Patrick collaborated creating an obscene, defamatory
Web site for a short while, then, apparently lost interest". Can you
provide us more info on this? That's a serious allegation, specially coming
from someone who signs on QRZ as an AMSAT Ambassador.
And talking about that... Please make sure you update your presentation
with information provided by the program in regards to operating and
etiquette. Next time you start calling other "units" over the air, not only
you will be the laughingstock but the organization as well.
Be well,
KF7R
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 5:14 PM Clint Bradford via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> >> ? Did the organization spend money when you literally threaten them
> with litigation?
>
> My problem was never with AMSAT-NA. It was one of their volunteers - ?EWK
> - who was accusing me
> of plagiarism, of otherwise being dishonest, and his additional libelous,
> published statements intended
> to damage my reputation.
>
> Legal recourse? It would have taken a lot of money for me to initiate
> formal litigation. But that was never
> my intent. I knew as soon as the AMSAT-NA board saw how close they were to
> becoming involved in
> such a case, they would rein in the threat. Patrick collaborated creating
> an obscene, defamatory
> Web site for a short while, then, apparently lost interest.
>
> My ?cease and desist? letter achieved its intended result, as far as I am
> concerned.
>
> Clint Bradford K6LCS
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 01:54:30 +0000
From: Chad KG0MW <chad.kg0mw@?????.???>
To: Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@?????.???>, Brad Smith
<corlissbs@???.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Members Please Read
Message-ID:
<CH2PR12MB38930FA8A6FAEA2AAABBA3BDA9600@?????????????.????????.????.???????.??
?>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Joseph you are right. As much as the BoD needs to promote AMSAT, we as
members need to stand up promote AMSAT and show our support. The more
support we show, hopefully the sooner we can get back to actual constructive
conversation.
Chad
?On 7/12/20, 4:22 PM, "AMSAT-BB on behalf of Joseph Armbruster via AMSAT-BB"
<amsat-bb-bounces@?????.??? on behalf of amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
Brad,
What transparency and progress has been brought to the organization
from the members that you speak of? Specifically? It appears that
since they were voted in, everyone in the organization is now walking
on egg-shells. The BB is now plastered with emails asking which words
mean what feelings, name calling and chasing after the organization
using whatever legal means the wizards-of-smart can conjure up all in
the name of almighty, all-righeous, '''transparency'''. It all seems
rather insincere and unproductive to me. People like this should do
the organization a favor, and leave, run their own competing
organization and take whatever people and dollars happen to follow
them.
I would honestly like to return to the ARISSat-1 days, where it was
just full-speed-ahead engineering and not all this talk all about
'saving AMSAT' and ORI garbage. All this ORI promotion on the BB, is
absolute garbage. No rational AMSAT member should be OK with that,
especially from an AMSAT BOD member. ORI is a separate, competing
organization and their bylaws are..... telling. If AMSATs bylaws were
ever amended to be anything like those, you can kiss your membership
goodbye, ref: https://openresearch.institute/organization-documents.
Their bylaws literally say "Membership shall consist of the Board of
Directors.". Quite an Open organization, indeed!
But I digress... The more of these kinds of people you vote in, the
more the organization is going to be hurt, guaranteed. Because not
only is nothing going to get done, obviously some people don't want to
work with them for whatever-reasons and THAT actually is important.
And, the reasons are important too. Have you wondered why...? I do!
As a small business owner, when I hear such-and-such doesn't want to
work with so-and-so, I immediately want to ask "What happened"? From
what the email traffic looks like, it seems like you may have to worry
about legal action for everything you say or do around them or, maybe
there was some pre-election history that most of the people that voted
for them, didn't know about. I have no clue, but this all does make
me wonder.
Either way, it seems like the state of things right now is Much Worst
than it was prior-to the last election, so... Not sure why anyone
would want more of this. For me, the socio-political environment is
just as important as the engi-nerding portion.. At the very least,
BOD members need to be promoting the organization they are on the
board of and noone should have to worry about legal retaliation over
every little thing.
Joseph Armbruster
KJ4JIO
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 3:58 PM Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> If you care about the AMSAT organization continuing to help hams in
space communications, please read and reread Patrick's and Michelle's
explanations. They layout exactly what happened. Now we learn that the
expenditure is over 16k. That is 363 memberships, if this retired engineer's
math is correct. This is money wasted to beat down two members who want
transparency and progress. This was not right. Our money was wasted! I am
anxious for the election.
>
> Again, I ask that members do not resign over this. That helps nobody
and hurts out hobby, which has already taken a huge hit. Solve this with
your voting privilege.
>
> 73 Brad KC9UQR
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 19:01:42 -0700
From: Jeff Moore <tnetcenter@?????.???>
To: Kevin <wa7fwf@?????.???>
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Members Please Read
Message-ID:
<CALx_moS7uFvAC7qMjpiB0+Y6ju4L+r3Oxi+3XPZq1gxpPa=gBQ@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Wow! Based on that and the general discussion that has been public on
this forum, I'd say AMSAT is doomed!!! At least AMSAT-NA is.
The email makes it pretty clear in the first 2 sentences what this is all
about!! The board members being outed by the 2 whistleblowers are trying
to deflect the blame from themselves to the 2 raising the issues by stating
that the entire organization is under attack!!! I don't see the entire
organization being attacked at all I see 2 board members raising serious
concerns about the behavior of the rest of the board and saying that there
is a problem!! They are being attacked by those board members and their
supporters - OFFICIALLY!!.
Time for a disinterested 3rd party to investigate the whole mess and let
the rest of us know just exactly what is really going on with this obvious
power struggle!!!
IT'S PAST TIME FOR COOLER HEADS TO PREVAIL!
I'd suggest making that happen while you still can, or kiss the
organization goodbye.
It would be a real shame to see AMSAT-NA go under because of petty
disagreements over alleged misconduct between board members. With money
involved, it is really easy to go too far especially after some board
members hire lawyers(at the expense of the organization) to attack those
asking serious questions!
To be blunt: GET OVER YOURSELVES AND GET BACK TO DOING WHAT YOU ARE
SUPPOSED TO BE DOING - RUNNING AMSAT-NA!! Not running it into the ground
which is where it is heading tonight!
7 3
Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 6:28 PM Kevin via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> Since you are not a member Jeff you would not have received the email
> that we all did clearly stating that there was no unauthorized spending.
>
> You can read it here...
>
>
>
https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/20200710_AMSAT_Lead
ership_Explains_Legal_Expenses.pdf
>
> Kevin WA7FWF #19623
>
> On 7/12/2020 4:12 PM, Jeff Moore via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > You don't cover up unauthorized spending and you don't spend money you
> > aren't cleared to spend! Let the parties involved explain this
> thoroughly
> > or have an independent 3rd party do so! Either way, we are all due the
> > facts, not conjecture, and character support statements! LET THE FACTS
> > SPEAK TO THE SITUATION NOT OPINIONS!!
> >
> > 7 3
> > Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 3:51 PM Chad KG0MW via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I did read and do not believe what they are accusing the board of. I
> feel
> >> I know that board members well enough to put my support behind them. I
> have
> >> never met anyone involved with AMSAT that wanted to hurt the
> organization
> >> in any way. To say they misspent the money I feel is wrong. They did so
> to
> >> protect the organization. Sadly lawyers are not cheap and the money had
> to
> >> be spent. The accusations is what will tear us at the seams?
> >>
> >> chad
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Chad Phillips
> >> KG0MW
> >> Amsat Ambassador
> >> www.kg0mw.com
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jul 12, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Joseph Armbruster via AMSAT-BB <
> >> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> >>> Brad,
> >>>
> >>> What transparency and progress has been brought to the organization
> >>> from the members that you speak of? Specifically? It appears that
> >>> since they were voted in, everyone in the organization is now walking
> >>> on egg-shells. The BB is now plastered with emails asking which words
> >>> mean what feelings, name calling and chasing after the organization
> >>> using whatever legal means the wizards-of-smart can conjure up all in
> >>> the name of almighty, all-righeous, '''transparency'''. It all seems
> >>> rather insincere and unproductive to me. People like this should do
> >>> the organization a favor, and leave, run their own competing
> >>> organization and take whatever people and dollars happen to follow
> >>> them.
> >>>
> >>> I would honestly like to return to the ARISSat-1 days, where it was
> >>> just full-speed-ahead engineering and not all this talk all about
> >>> 'saving AMSAT' and ORI garbage. All this ORI promotion on the BB, is
> >>> absolute garbage. No rational AMSAT member should be OK with that,
> >>> especially from an AMSAT BOD member. ORI is a separate, competing
> >>> organization and their bylaws are..... telling. If AMSATs bylaws were
> >>> ever amended to be anything like those, you can kiss your membership
> >>> goodbye, ref: https://openresearch.institute/organization-documents.
> >>> Their bylaws literally say "Membership shall consist of the Board of
> >>> Directors.". Quite an Open organization, indeed!
> >>>
> >>> But I digress... The more of these kinds of people you vote in, the
> >>> more the organization is going to be hurt, guaranteed. Because not
> >>> only is nothing going to get done, obviously some people don't want to
> >>> work with them for whatever-reasons and THAT actually is important.
> >>> And, the reasons are important too. Have you wondered why...? I do!
> >>> As a small business owner, when I hear such-and-such doesn't want to
> >>> work with so-and-so, I immediately want to ask "What happened"? From
> >>> what the email traffic looks like, it seems like you may have to worry
> >>> about legal action for everything you say or do around them or, maybe
> >>> there was some pre-election history that most of the people that voted
> >>> for them, didn't know about. I have no clue, but this all does make
> >>> me wonder.
> >>>
> >>> Either way, it seems like the state of things right now is Much Worst
> >>> than it was prior-to the last election, so... Not sure why anyone
> >>> would want more of this. For me, the socio-political environment is
> >>> just as important as the engi-nerding portion.. At the very least,
> >>> BOD members need to be promoting the organization they are on the
> >>> board of and noone should have to worry about legal retaliation over
> >>> every little thing.
> >>>
> >>> Joseph Armbruster
> >>> KJ4JIO
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 3:58 PM Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB
> >>> <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> >>>> If you care about the AMSAT organization continuing to help hams in
> >> space communications, please read and reread Patrick's and Michelle's
> >> explanations. They layout exactly what happened. Now we learn that the
> >> expenditure is over 16k. That is 363 memberships, if this retired
> >> engineer's math is correct. This is money wasted to beat down two
> members
> >> who want transparency and progress. This was not right. Our money was
> >> wasted! I am anxious for the election.
> >>>> Again, I ask that members do not resign over this. That helps nobody
> >> and hurts out hobby, which has already taken a huge hit. Solve this with
> >> your voting privilege.
> >>>> 73 Brad KC9UQR
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> >>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> >> Opinions expressed
> >>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> >> of AMSAT-NA.
> >>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> >> program!
> >>>> Subscription settings:
> https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> >>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> >> Opinions expressed
> >>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of
> >> AMSAT-NA.
> >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> >> program!
> >>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> >> expressed
> >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> >> AMSAT-NA.
> >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> >> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 19:03:41 -0700
From: Kevin <wa7fwf@?????.???>
To: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Member Mailing list
Message-ID: <bc959a85-91a4-d28b-22d9-ee948b8a3bba@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
?Hello All,
? In a previous email to the BB I posted the link to the letter we all
received as members.
https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/20200710_AMSAT_Lead
ership_Explains_Legal_Expenses.pdf
I was re-reading it and something caught my eye that I had missed before.
"AMSAT did not provide a copy of its membership mailing addresses to
Open Research Institute."
?? Just how was our mailing list compromised? This seems like a serious
breech of security, was this a hack? was any other information lost??
was it ever found out how it happened? is our mailing list as they say
"out in the wind"?
Michelle could you possibly check from the ORI side and backtrack how
ORI came into possession of the AMSAT mailing list, was it something
that was procured online?
AMSAT needs to follow up on this privacy issue and report back what it
found and any steps that were taken to prevent this from happening in
the future.
I look forward to an answer
73 Kevin WA7FWF #19623
------------------------------
Message: 6
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 19:05:16 -0700
From: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle@?????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Good news - Floating Vivado license available
for community use
Message-ID:
<CACvjz2Vx2muxmTEFG6Recuxc40gNAoqdnM6u=PHiNT6BTd5PEA@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Rounded up another node locked license for a total of three.
-mdt
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 14:19 Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle@?????.???>
wrote:
> Good news - if you are working on open source amateur radio satellite
> FPGA code, we have a resource available for you.
>
> Thanks to Yasme Foundation and ARRL Foundation support, Open Research
> Institute has purchased a floating Vivado license (Vivado HL System
> Edition). This includes the System Generator for DSP.
>
> The only requirement is that the work be open source and publicly
> accessible.
>
> The license files are distributed through a Github key management
> function, so if you already have a GitHub repository, then you are ready to
> go. Get in touch with me with your GitHub account name to start setup.
>
> The process has been tested but I'm sure some snags will be revealed as
> more users come onboard.
>
> If you are working on AMSAT-NA closed source FPGA work, then there are at
> least two older node-locked Vivado licenses available. You should already
> have access to those from within engineering.
>
> There's a lot of really great opportunities to implement LDPC and other
> high-performance error correcting codes, along with finite state machines
> and camera support.
>
> Does anyone have a need for another type of license? If there is something
> standing in your way of getting things done, please let me know.
>
> -Michelle W5NYV
>
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 19:27:24 -0700
From: "Daron Wilson" <daron@??????.???>
To: "'AMSAT BB'" <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Members Please Read
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Is there a bulletin board that discusses amateur radio satellites operations
still? Asking for a friend. This is getting old.
Daron N7HQR
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From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???? On Behalf Of Jeff Moore
via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 7:02 PM
To: Kevin
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Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Members Please Read
Wow! Based on that and the general discussion that has been public on
this forum, I'd say AMSAT is doomed!!! At least AMSAT-NA is.
The email makes it pretty clear in the first 2 sentences what this is all
about!! The board members being outed by the 2 whistleblowers are trying
to deflect the blame from themselves to the 2 raising the issues by stating
that the entire organization is under attack!!! I don't see the entire
organization being attacked at all I see 2 board members raising serious
concerns about the behavior of the rest of the board and saying that there
is a problem!! They are being attacked by those board members and their
supporters - OFFICIALLY!!.
Time for a disinterested 3rd party to investigate the whole mess and let
the rest of us know just exactly what is really going on with this obvious
power struggle!!!
IT'S PAST TIME FOR COOLER HEADS TO PREVAIL!
I'd suggest making that happen while you still can, or kiss the
organization goodbye.
It would be a real shame to see AMSAT-NA go under because of petty
disagreements over alleged misconduct between board members. With money
involved, it is really easy to go too far especially after some board
members hire lawyers(at the expense of the organization) to attack those
asking serious questions!
To be blunt: GET OVER YOURSELVES AND GET BACK TO DOING WHAT YOU ARE
SUPPOSED TO BE DOING - RUNNING AMSAT-NA!! Not running it into the ground
which is where it is heading tonight!
7 3
Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 6:28 PM Kevin via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> Since you are not a member Jeff you would not have received the email
> that we all did clearly stating that there was no unauthorized spending.
>
> You can read it here...
>
>
>
https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/20200710_AMSAT_Lead
ership_Explains_Legal_Expenses.pdf
>
> Kevin WA7FWF #19623
>
> On 7/12/2020 4:12 PM, Jeff Moore via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > You don't cover up unauthorized spending and you don't spend money you
> > aren't cleared to spend! Let the parties involved explain this
> thoroughly
> > or have an independent 3rd party do so! Either way, we are all due the
> > facts, not conjecture, and character support statements! LET THE FACTS
> > SPEAK TO THE SITUATION NOT OPINIONS!!
> >
> > 7 3
> > Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 3:51 PM Chad KG0MW via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I did read and do not believe what they are accusing the board of. I
> feel
> >> I know that board members well enough to put my support behind them. I
> have
> >> never met anyone involved with AMSAT that wanted to hurt the
> organization
> >> in any way. To say they misspent the money I feel is wrong. They did so
> to
> >> protect the organization. Sadly lawyers are not cheap and the money had
> to
> >> be spent. The accusations is what will tear us at the seams?
> >>
> >> chad
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Chad Phillips
> >> KG0MW
> >> Amsat Ambassador
> >> www.kg0mw.com
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jul 12, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Joseph Armbruster via AMSAT-BB <
> >> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> >>> Brad,
> >>>
> >>> What transparency and progress has been brought to the organization
> >>> from the members that you speak of? Specifically? It appears that
> >>> since they were voted in, everyone in the organization is now walking
> >>> on egg-shells. The BB is now plastered with emails asking which words
> >>> mean what feelings, name calling and chasing after the organization
> >>> using whatever legal means the wizards-of-smart can conjure up all in
> >>> the name of almighty, all-righeous, '''transparency'''. It all seems
> >>> rather insincere and unproductive to me. People like this should do
> >>> the organization a favor, and leave, run their own competing
> >>> organization and take whatever people and dollars happen to follow
> >>> them.
> >>>
> >>> I would honestly like to return to the ARISSat-1 days, where it was
> >>> just full-speed-ahead engineering and not all this talk all about
> >>> 'saving AMSAT' and ORI garbage. All this ORI promotion on the BB, is
> >>> absolute garbage. No rational AMSAT member should be OK with that,
> >>> especially from an AMSAT BOD member. ORI is a separate, competing
> >>> organization and their bylaws are..... telling. If AMSATs bylaws were
> >>> ever amended to be anything like those, you can kiss your membership
> >>> goodbye, ref: https://openresearch.institute/organization-documents.
> >>> Their bylaws literally say "Membership shall consist of the Board of
> >>> Directors.". Quite an Open organization, indeed!
> >>>
> >>> But I digress... The more of these kinds of people you vote in, the
> >>> more the organization is going to be hurt, guaranteed. Because not
> >>> only is nothing going to get done, obviously some people don't want to
> >>> work with them for whatever-reasons and THAT actually is important.
> >>> And, the reasons are important too. Have you wondered why...? I do!
> >>> As a small business owner, when I hear such-and-such doesn't want to
> >>> work with so-and-so, I immediately want to ask "What happened"? From
> >>> what the email traffic looks like, it seems like you may have to worry
> >>> about legal action for everything you say or do around them or, maybe
> >>> there was some pre-election history that most of the people that voted
> >>> for them, didn't know about. I have no clue, but this all does make
> >>> me wonder.
> >>>
> >>> Either way, it seems like the state of things right now is Much Worst
> >>> than it was prior-to the last election, so... Not sure why anyone
> >>> would want more of this. For me, the socio-political environment is
> >>> just as important as the engi-nerding portion.. At the very least,
> >>> BOD members need to be promoting the organization they are on the
> >>> board of and noone should have to worry about legal retaliation over
> >>> every little thing.
> >>>
> >>> Joseph Armbruster
> >>> KJ4JIO
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 3:58 PM Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB
> >>> <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> >>>> If you care about the AMSAT organization continuing to help hams in
> >> space communications, please read and reread Patrick's and Michelle's
> >> explanations. They layout exactly what happened. Now we learn that the
> >> expenditure is over 16k. That is 363 memberships, if this retired
> >> engineer's math is correct. This is money wasted to beat down two
> members
> >> who want transparency and progress. This was not right. Our money was
> >> wasted! I am anxious for the election.
> >>>> Again, I ask that members do not resign over this. That helps nobody
> >> and hurts out hobby, which has already taken a huge hit. Solve this with
> >> your voting privilege.
> >>>> 73 Brad KC9UQR
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