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Today's Topics:
1. Non Profits and Boards (Dwayne Sinclair)
2. Testing (Michael Tondee)
3. Re: Non Profits and Boards (W3AB/GEO)
4. Re: Non Profits and Boards (Dwayne Sinclair)
5. Re: Testing (Jeff Moore)
6. Re: Members Please Read (Paul F. Merrill)
7. Re: AMSAT Member Mailing list (Kevin)
8. Re: Members Please Read (Kenneth P Alexander)
9. Re: Foolishness (Michael Tondee)
10. Re: AMSAT Member Mailing list (Kevin)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 19:57:32 -0700
From: Dwayne Sinclair <nna6us@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] Non Profits and Boards
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Disappointed to say the least with both board and membership. I have have
been a board member on a number of non profits and my wife is currently an
executive director of a non profit. In the non profits my wife and I have
been involved with, legal and accounting fees are a ?normal?
course of doing business and don't require all the board or membership to
approve. If board members are creating situation that require a legal
response then that just plain sucks but is ?normal?. Better to have a board
that can work together but it appears this is currently not the case.
Personally I am satisfied with the official response.
Dwayne NA6US.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 23:21:42 -0400
From: Michael Tondee <mat_62@???????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] Testing
Message-ID: <19c6fd82-7965-23e1-0553-3f27506ba622@???????.???>
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I'm sorry but I? don't see where my last post ever got through. Pretty
sure it was sent to the right place but I never saw it show up. Hmnn,
wonder why... too critical? At any rate, not a member but reading all
the mud being slung at two board members, who for the most part just
seemed to have asked for some board accountability, this sure looks like
a classic case of? the kids getting caught with their hand in the
proverbial cookie jar and they're now scurrying to cover it up from
Mom&Dad. Sigh....
73,
Michael, W4HIJ
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 20:33:28 -0700
From: W3AB/GEO <w3ab@?????.???>
To: Dwayne Sinclair <nna6us@?????.???>
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Non Profits and Boards
Message-ID: <cdead1a6-a683-4af9-a92c-8d3083e8d5f4@?????.???>
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Now it gets even better.
Who is NA6US? Dwayne Sinclair? Didn't come up on qrz.com.
Why was this posted under
MICHAEL A TONDEE, W4HIJ's name?
?___
Sent from my two way wrist watch
73 de W3AB/GEO?
On Jul 12, 2020, 20:06, at 20:06, Dwayne Sinclair via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>Disappointed to say the least with both board and membership. I have
>have been a board member on a number of non profits and my wife is
>currently an executive director of a non profit. In the non profits my
>wife and I have been involved with, legal and accounting fees are a
>?normal?
>course of doing business and don't require all the board or membership
>to approve. If board members are creating situation that require a
>legal response then that just plain sucks but is ?normal?. Better to
>have a board that can work together but it appears this is currently
>not the case. Personally I am satisfied with the official response.
>
>Dwayne NA6US.
>_______________________________________________
>Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>Opinions expressed
>are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>of AMSAT-NA.
>Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>program!
>Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 20:37:23 -0700
From: Dwayne Sinclair <nna6us@?????.???>
To: W3AB/GEO <w3ab@?????.???>
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Non Profits and Boards
Message-ID: <AB08D273-9018-4734-B8B4-0251372AFEC5@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
I?m not on QRZ. Hamqth qrzcw, lots, club log, or FCC. I asked QRZ to delete
my online account and instead, they left my account (I can still login), but
deleted my callsign lookup.
Regards Dwayne NA6US
> On Jul 12, 2020, at 8:33 PM, W3AB/GEO <w3ab@?????.???> wrote:
>
> Now it gets even better.
>
> Who is NA6US? Dwayne Sinclair? Didn't come up on qrz.com <http://qrz.com/>.
>
> Why was this posted under
>
> MICHAEL A TONDEE, W4HIJ's name?
>
>
> ___
> Sent from my two way wrist watch
> 73 de W3AB/GEO
> On Jul 12, 2020, at 20:06, Dwayne Sinclair via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???>> wrote:
> Disappointed to say the least with both board and membership. I have have
been a board member on a number of non profits and my wife is currently an
executive director of a non profit. In the non profits my wife and I have
been involved with, legal and accounting fees are a ?normal?
> course of doing business and don't require all the board or membership to
approve. If board members are creating situation that require a legal
response then that just plain sucks but is ?normal?. Better to have a board
that can work together but it appears this is currently not the case.
Personally I am satisfied with the official response.
>
> Dwayne NA6US.
>
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
<https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb>
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 20:42:14 -0700
From: Jeff Moore <tnetcenter@?????.???>
To: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Testing
Message-ID:
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I agree with this assessment of the situation with one exception!!
AMSAT-NA is not a cookie jar, and these are not kids!!! IF in fact there
is some legal liability here - then the responsible parties should be held
accountable!! If that means prison time - then so be it!!! A thief is a
thief and theft is illegal - let the chips fall where they should!!!
The LAST thing that should happen here is pillorying the whistleblowers
assuming they are correct and without liability here!
7 3
Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 8:22 PM Michael Tondee via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> I'm sorry but I don't see where my last post ever got through. Pretty
> sure it was sent to the right place but I never saw it show up. Hmnn,
> wonder why... too critical? At any rate, not a member but reading all
> the mud being slung at two board members, who for the most part just
> seemed to have asked for some board accountability, this sure looks like
> a classic case of the kids getting caught with their hand in the
> proverbial cookie jar and they're now scurrying to cover it up from
> Mom&Dad. Sigh....
>
> 73,
>
> Michael, W4HIJ
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 21:09:45 -0700
From: "Paul F. Merrill" <marinesvcs@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Members Please Read
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
I agree that this mailing list has strayed from its strongest contribution:
satellite information, discussion, and mentoring.
I come from, and have been on the BOD of, a professional organization for a
number of years now.
FWIW, I know too well that an organization often lawyers up to protect
itself, and in our issues, our attorney was engaged to act solely on behalf
of the Organization and not necessarily current management.
This thread has turned in to a long, ugly diatribe filled with accusations,
counter-accusations, and painfully-obvious shills. I am a recently-renewed
member who doesn?t have a dog in the fight, so I just want what?s best for
AMSAT.
Sadly, the stereotypes are starting to show - the members who contribute
nothing but want to tear down those ?In power,? the members who contribute
nothing and don?t want anyone to make waves, and the few who actually do
anything. As a number of people have commented, working in a non-profit or
unpaid leadership role is utterly thankless, which is lost on many people -
especially those who have never labored in this sort of endeavor.
My favorite story from our times of trouble is when our Parliamentarian
said, ?Roberts Rules are the last refuge of a scoundrel. Grown men and
women should be able to comport themselves reasonably...but then I?d be out
of a job.? I?m taking a little license with his exact words, but the
sentiment, along with my experience, formed my native distrust of those who
are right and everyone and everything before them is wrong. So...there?s
my bias. I will examine that, and all the information I can before I
vote. I hope everyone else will take the time and expend the effort to
vote as intelligently as they can.
My overriding guidance to my Association is that we contribute to the group
so that we all benefit from the group. A strong organization should
outlive us.
Personally, I can?t wait to vote and hopefully put a fork in this.
Paul / W7IV
????????-
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 19:27:24 -0700
From: "Daron Wilson" <daron@??????.???>
To: "'AMSAT BB'" <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Members Please Read
Message-ID: <00b501d658bd$26119cc0$7234d640$@???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Is there a bulletin board that discusses amateur radio satellites
operations still? Asking for a friend. This is getting old.
Daron N7HQR
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 21:29:11 -0700
From: Kevin <wa7fwf@?????.???>
To: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Member Mailing list
Message-ID: <34b9e74a-7626-8ae0-a371-c3675f951b7c@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Bruce,
?? So hang on a moment, you're telling me that the candidates are
allowed to use the mailing list for their campaign (fine), but rather
than them doing it themselves they turned the task over to you? So you
were in possession of the mailing list and then you turned it over to
the bulk mailing center when you authored the mailer?
Kevin WA7FWF #19623
On 7/12/2020 9:08 PM, Bruce Perens wrote:
> The candidates are allowed the use of the mailing list for their
> campaign. If you read the bylaws, they make it very clear. One of the
> candidates did all of the handling of the mailing list.
>
> Incidentally, the board was not aware that they had to give the
> mailing list to the candidates. This was something the candidates had
> to tell them, after I read the bylaws. Had the board run things the
> way they desired, only a board controlled 200 word statement would
> have reached you from the candidates, except for the incumbents, who
> have had free use of AMSAT's official publications to carry their
> opinions.
>
> In a more perfect world, the board would have known their own bylaws,
> or at least the secretary who was running the election would have read
> them.
>
> But in a more perfect world, two people were trying to reform the
> organization with not face quite this uphill a battle.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bruce
>
> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 9:00 PM Kevin <wa7fwf@?????.???
> <mailto:wa7fwf@?????.???>> wrote:
>
> Well how did the bulk mailing company get the AMSAT member mailing
> list if AMSAT did not provide it?
>
> Kevin
>
>
> On 7/12/2020 8:32 PM, Bruce Perens wrote:
>> The mailing list was never compromised. But my HOME address,
>> under "Open Research Institute" was used as the return address.
>> This was a mistake and I didn't ask for it. I was, however, the
>> author of the mailer, in which I introduced the candidates. The
>> mailing was done by a bulk Mail company and did not involve me. I
>> got one returned letter, informed someone responsible who had a
>> right to see that address, and promptly forgot it.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 7:11 PM Kevin via AMSAT-BB
>> <amsat-bb@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???>> wrote:
>>
>> ??Hello All,
>>
>> ?? In a previous email to the BB I posted the link to the
>> letter we all
>> received as members.
>>
>>
https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/20200710_AMSAT_Lead
ership_Explains_Legal_Expenses.pdf
>>
>> I was re-reading it and something caught my eye that I had
>> missed before.
>>
>> "AMSAT did not provide a copy of its membership mailing
>> addresses to
>> Open Research Institute."
>>
>> ??? Just how was our mailing list compromised? This seems
>> like a serious
>> breech of security, was this a hack? was any other
>> information lost?
>> was it ever found out how it happened? is our mailing list as
>> they say
>> "out in the wind"?
>>
>> Michelle could you possibly check from the ORI side and
>> backtrack how
>> ORI came into possession of the AMSAT mailing list, was it
>> something
>> that was procured online?
>>
>> AMSAT needs to follow up on this privacy issue and report
>> back what it
>> found and any steps that were taken to prevent this from
>> happening in
>> the future.
>>
>>
>> I look forward to an answer
>>
>> 73 Kevin WA7FWF #19623
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.??? <mailto:AMSAT-BB@?????.???>.
>> AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring
>> membership. Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the
>> official views of AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur
>> satellite program!
>> Subscription settings:
>> https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 11:40:17 +0700
From: Kenneth P Alexander <ve3hls@?????.???>
To: Chad KG0MW <chad.kg0mw@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>, Brad Smith <corlissbs@???.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Members Please Read
Message-ID:
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Sure Chad,
I'll consider supporting Amsat again as soon as this mess is cleaned up and
everyone is satisfied with the outcome, whichever way it goes.
Ken, VE3HLS
So Phisai, Thailand
Blog: bueng-ken.com
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 08:58 Chad KG0MW via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> Joseph you are right. As much as the BoD needs to promote AMSAT, we as
> members need to stand up promote AMSAT and show our support. The more
> support we show, hopefully the sooner we can get back to actual
> constructive conversation.
>
> Chad
>
>
> ?On 7/12/20, 4:22 PM, "AMSAT-BB on behalf of Joseph Armbruster via
> AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb-bounces@?????.??? on behalf of amsat-bb@?????.???>
> wrote:
>
> Brad,
>
> What transparency and progress has been brought to the organization
> from the members that you speak of? Specifically? It appears that
> since they were voted in, everyone in the organization is now walking
> on egg-shells. The BB is now plastered with emails asking which words
> mean what feelings, name calling and chasing after the organization
> using whatever legal means the wizards-of-smart can conjure up all in
> the name of almighty, all-righeous, '''transparency'''. It all seems
> rather insincere and unproductive to me. People like this should do
> the organization a favor, and leave, run their own competing
> organization and take whatever people and dollars happen to follow
> them.
>
> I would honestly like to return to the ARISSat-1 days, where it was
> just full-speed-ahead engineering and not all this talk all about
> 'saving AMSAT' and ORI garbage. All this ORI promotion on the BB, is
> absolute garbage. No rational AMSAT member should be OK with that,
> especially from an AMSAT BOD member. ORI is a separate, competing
> organization and their bylaws are..... telling. If AMSATs bylaws were
> ever amended to be anything like those, you can kiss your membership
> goodbye, ref: https://openresearch.institute/organization-documents.
> Their bylaws literally say "Membership shall consist of the Board of
> Directors.". Quite an Open organization, indeed!
>
> But I digress... The more of these kinds of people you vote in, the
> more the organization is going to be hurt, guaranteed. Because not
> only is nothing going to get done, obviously some people don't want to
> work with them for whatever-reasons and THAT actually is important.
> And, the reasons are important too. Have you wondered why...? I do!
> As a small business owner, when I hear such-and-such doesn't want to
> work with so-and-so, I immediately want to ask "What happened"? From
> what the email traffic looks like, it seems like you may have to worry
> about legal action for everything you say or do around them or, maybe
> there was some pre-election history that most of the people that voted
> for them, didn't know about. I have no clue, but this all does make
> me wonder.
>
> Either way, it seems like the state of things right now is Much Worst
> than it was prior-to the last election, so... Not sure why anyone
> would want more of this. For me, the socio-political environment is
> just as important as the engi-nerding portion.. At the very least,
> BOD members need to be promoting the organization they are on the
> board of and noone should have to worry about legal retaliation over
> every little thing.
>
> Joseph Armbruster
> KJ4JIO
>
> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 3:58 PM Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB
> <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> >
> > If you care about the AMSAT organization continuing to help hams in
> space communications, please read and reread Patrick's and Michelle's
> explanations. They layout exactly what happened. Now we learn that the
> expenditure is over 16k. That is 363 memberships, if this retired
> engineer's math is correct. This is money wasted to beat down two members
> who want transparency and progress. This was not right. Our money was
> wasted! I am anxious for the election.
> >
> > Again, I ask that members do not resign over this. That helps nobody
> and hurts out hobby, which has already taken a huge hit. Solve this with
> your voting privilege.
> >
> > 73 Brad KC9UQR
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
> available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
> views of AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings:
> https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 00:50:34 -0400
From: Michael Tondee <mat_62@???????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Foolishness
Message-ID: <3ad2df3f-4471-b714-a817-ed6a637e6165@???????.???>
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-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: Foolishness
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 15:50:32 -0400
From: Michael Tondee <mat_62@???????.???>
To: amsat-bb-request@?????.???
>> I choose not to support the organization or get involved at present and
have not in quite a long while because I don't like the direction it has
gone in and see it as stagnant of any real innovation for at least the last
ten years. I can guarantee you there are other hams out here like me too.
Since I'm no longer a paying member,feel free to disregard my opinion but
judging by the conversations I've had with others who feel the way I do,
AMSAT may be doing so at it's own peril. Many, many of us are tired of the
AMSAT status quo. I'm not even sure that the direction Ms. Thompson and Mr.
Stoddard want to take the organization in is one I'd like to go but at least
they are trying to do SOMETHING! The comment someone made earlier about a
couple of new directors breaking up the "good ole boys club" seems very
apropos and I second it. I follow this list faithfully always looking and
hoping that someone wil wake this organization from it's at least decade
long nap! Maybe that's finally
happening, I don't know, one can only hope. Not all of us can volunteer,
much as some of us would like to but if you show me you're actually doing
something besides simply being content to wave antennas at flying FM
repeaters you will again receive my financial support. I don't purport to be
part of somesort of "silent majority" or anything like that but I do know my
view is shared by many. Y'all have a nice day!
73,
Michael W4HIJ
> These satellites don't just build themselves. If you choose not to get
> involved with YOUR organization, then don't post on amsat-bb someday
wondering
> why there are no more satellites available for you to "play radio" with.
>
> For some, this may be "just a hobby", for those who volunteer to serve AMSAT
> with their personal time and effort, it is much more than "just a hobby". I
> believe that every volunteer comes to AMSAT to serve the cause of keeping
> amateur radio in space, but may see different ways to move the organization
> forward toward that goal.
>
> There is a Board election coming up very soon. Like all elections, it
behooves
> you as a good citizen of AMSAT to be informed of the issues and make a wise
> choice in voting for your elected representatives. As my high school civics
> teacher (and probably yours) said, "if you don't vote, you don't have aright
> to complain".
>
> 73, Dan Schultz N8FGV
>
>
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 22:11:56 -0700
From: Kevin <wa7fwf@?????.???>
To: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Member Mailing list
Message-ID: <60901734-65cf-6ad0-c405-1d82f7e31c6e@?????.???>
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Well Bruce,
?? Something doesn't jive here,? " I didn't do the mailing . I only
wrote the content "? then it seems the candidate would have been the
person that was dealing with the bulk mailer and would have had their
return address listed and it would not have been your home address on it.
?? Guess it's time to pick a different bulk mailer.
Kevin WA7FWF #19623
On 7/12/2020 9:48 PM, Bruce Perens wrote:
> Kevin,
>
> No, I never saw the mailing list . I didn't do the mailing . I only
> wrote the content .
>
> So, why was I involved at all ?
>
> I won't say I'm the best tech evangelist you know, because that is for
> other people to judge. However, if you count the Open Source movement
> in software; the campaign for the elimination of the Morse code
> requirement for Amateur Radio licenses, which among other things I got
> on the front page of the New York Times, above the fold; My work to
> help elect a new ARRL board to end the confidentiality versus
> transparency debacle; And my global appearance for IBM's "Dear Tech",
> campaign, which got at least 50000 television and Internet airplays;
>
> If you count all those things, I am probably the person you want
> introducing you as a candidate, and I might be a good person to tell
> you how to run a campaign.
>
> As it happens I wrote my own campaign, which I was going to put out
> under my own name, endorsing those candidates. And then the candidates
> chose to use it as their main campaign statement. This was very
> flattering and entirely their own choice.
>
> As an ARRL member, it was my right to participate in their election,
> and it is my right to participate in AMSAT's.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bruce K6BP
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 9:29 PM Kevin <wa7fwf@?????.???
> <mailto:wa7fwf@?????.???>> wrote:
>
> Bruce,
> ?? So hang on a moment, you're telling me that the candidates are
> allowed to use the mailing list for their campaign (fine), but
> rather than them doing it themselves they turned the task over to
> you? So you were in possession of the mailing list and then you
> turned it over to the bulk mailing center when you authored the
> mailer?
>
> Kevin WA7FWF #19623
>
>
>
>
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> On 7/12/2020 9:08 PM, Bruce Perens wrote:
>> The candidates are allowed the use of the mailing list for their
>> campaign. If you read the bylaws, they make it very clear. One of
>> the candidates did all of the handling of the mailing list.
>>
>> Incidentally, the board was not aware that they had to give the
>> mailing list to the candidates. This was something the candidates
>> had to tell them, after I read the bylaws. Had the board run
>> things the way they desired, only a board controlled 200 word
>> statement would have reached you from the candidates, except for
>> the incumbents, who have had free use of AMSAT's official
>> publications to carry their opinions.
>>
>> In a more perfect world, the board would have known their own
>> bylaws, or at least the secretary who was running the election
>> would have read them.
>>
>> But in a more perfect world, two people were trying to reform the
>> organization with not face quite this uphill a battle.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 9:00 PM Kevin <wa7fwf@?????.???
>> <mailto:wa7fwf@?????.???>> wrote:
>>
>> Well how did the bulk mailing company get the AMSAT member
>> mailing list if AMSAT did not provide it?
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>>
>> On 7/12/2020 8:32 PM, Bruce Perens wrote:
>>> The mailing list was never compromised. But my HOME address,
>>> under "Open Research Institute" was used as the return
>>> address. This was a mistake and I didn't ask for it. I was,
>>> however, the author of the mailer, in which I introduced the
>>> candidates. The mailing was done by a bulk Mail company and
>>> did not involve me. I got one returned letter, informed
>>> someone responsible who had a right to see that address, and
>>> promptly forgot it.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Bruce
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 7:11 PM Kevin via AMSAT-BB
>>> <amsat-bb@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ??Hello All,
>>>
>>> ?? In a previous email to the BB I posted the link to
>>> the letter we all
>>> received as members.
>>>
>>>
https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/20200710_AMSAT_Lead
ership_Explains_Legal_Expenses.pdf
>>>
>>> I was re-reading it and something caught my eye that I
>>> had missed before.
>>>
>>> "AMSAT did not provide a copy of its membership mailing
>>> addresses to
>>> Open Research Institute."
>>>
>>> ??? Just how was our mailing list compromised? This
>>> seems like a serious
>>> breech of security, was this a hack? was any other
>>> information lost?
>>> was it ever found out how it happened? is our mailing
>>> list as they say
>>> "out in the wind"?
>>>
>>> Michelle could you possibly check from the ORI side and
>>> backtrack how
>>> ORI came into possession of the AMSAT mailing list, was
>>> it something
>>> that was procured online?
>>>
>>> AMSAT needs to follow up on this privacy issue and
>>> report back what it
>>> found and any steps that were taken to prevent this from
>>> happening in
>>> the future.
>>>
>>>
>>> I look forward to an answer
>>>
>>> 73 Kevin WA7FWF #19623
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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