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Today's Topics:
1. Publications and mailing lists (Brennan Price)
2. Re: Brief summary of the "unauthorized expenses" claim (Greg)
3. Re: Brief summary of the "unauthorized expenses" claim
(Jeff Moore)
4. Re: A question (Rich Gopstein)
5. Re: Why we are having this big unpleasant argument on your
satellite mailing list (HenryTurner)
6. test (Ted Krempa)
7. Re: AMSAT Member Mailing list (Bruce Perens)
8. Re: Brief summary of the "unauthorized expenses" claim
(Bruce Perens)
9. Re: A question (Bruce Perens)
10. amsat-bb now on emergency moderation. (Joseph B. Fitzgerald)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 00:44:33 +0000 (UTC)
From: Brennan Price <brennanprice@???????.???>
To: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Publications and mailing lists
Message-ID: <851995224.1060774.1594687473630@????.?????.???>
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I generally don't intend to engage in the ongoing discussion s beyond an
announcement on process once the ballots are mailed (which they will be,
tomorrow or Wednesday, on or before the date specified in the bylaws), but I
do want to address what the Bylaws say about the organization's publications
and mailing lists, as I think (perhaps na?vely) that would be helpful.
Article III Section 3 provides, in relevant part:
<<Duly nominated and eligible candidates shall be afforded equal opportunity
to circulate statements of their qualifications and positions to the Members
through the corporation?s publications and shall have use of the
corporation?s mailing lists for election-related purposes at no cost to the
corporation.>>
The production and publication schedule of the AMSAT Journal does not render
it a suitable vehicle for candidate statements given the bylaws-mandated
nomination and election timing. The absence of campaign statements from the
Journal is entirely consistent with the Bylaws: no opportunity for any
candidate is inherently equal opportunity for all candidates.
Traditionally, the organization has used the ballot mailing itself the
relevant publication, and this is the approach that will be taken this year.
The?"equal opportunity" requirement and paper format (not to mention common
practice across multiple organization's) necessitates a target word count,
balanced to the extent possible against letting candidates have their say.
All candidates met or came close to meeting the target I suggested (350
words), with the most long-winded exceeding by 14 words according to the
Word 2016 word counter. Upon review, I offered the remaining candidates the
chance to expand up to 364 words. None of them took the offer. All six
statements will accompany the ballot, and none of them required editorial
work beyond the correction of a repeated word and an excess space. I thank
the candidates for making that part of the job easy.?
I have construed the mailing list as the postal mailing list, which has been
offered to each candidate (and thus far, five of the six have accepted the
list). Data protection regulations require the corporation to take
reasonable efforts to safeguard personally identifiable information, and
candidates accepting the list have agreed to support those efforts by
limiting use of the list for the "election-related purposes" specified in
the bylaws.?Two results follow:
1) There are no election-related purposes once the election ends.
Accordingly, candidates have agreed to discard the list after the election.
2) It is common to engage agents for mailing and postage purposes. I will
not hyper-officiate any candidate's choice to do so, but candidates have
agreed that any agent will have access to the list only for the time
necessary to execute the mailing and will be required by the candidate to
discard it afterwards.
This is a reasonable effort to safeguard in light of the bylaws requirement
for candidate access to mailing lists, which establishes an expectation
(however infrequently it came to fruition in past) that members may receive
election-related postal mail.?
I think that's enough for now.?
73,Brennan Price, N4QXSecretary, AMSAT
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 21:12:46 -0400
From: Greg <almetco@???????.???>
To: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle@?????.???>
Cc: Amsat - BBs <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Brief summary of the "unauthorized expenses"
claim
Message-ID: <C530D9E3-A79F-4460-AE9D-754DC6C949AA@???????.???>
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Just curious. Is there a policy that requires a limit for certain $ amount
of expenditures. Even the radio club that I was treasurer, we had about 90
members, had requirements on authorizing expenditures over a certain limit.
Greg
N3MVF
On Jul 13, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
Yes. That's the problem.
Some AMSAT board members claim the expenses are authorized. They wrote a 3
page letter about it to AMSAT-BB.
Neither a record of approval, nor a delegation of these expenses, ever
appear in the minutes. *Unlike the hiring of FD Associates, which was
legit, and appears in the minutes*
Even if we were objecting to boring expenses, instead of spicy personalized
vendetta advice having nothing to do with keeping amateur radio in space,
then they'd still be in the wrong.
This could have been resolved in less than a half hour.
The rest of the board denied it for most of a year, hid it almost the whole
time, and now are defending it to the death.
Please, send us people that we can work with, will agree to have meetings,
and will fix this sort of thing.
Those of you impatient to get back to working on space, we feel the exact
same way.
Oversight isn't optional, and financial health is required for doing large
and complex projects.
Secretly hiring law firms is not healthy.
-Michelle W5NYV
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 2:47 PM Steve Kristoff via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> But even in your own evaluation there are contradictions.
>
> Quote from your email: "If an expense went to the board for approval, it
> would show up in the
> minutes of that board meeting."
>
> Further down your email: "- In this case, the members of the AMSAT board
> at the time said that the
> expenses were authorized."
>
>
> Then, by your own evaluation of the by-laws, if the members of the board
> authorized the expenditures (second quote), shouldn't that authorization
> show up in the minutes of the board meeting? (first quote)
>
> Steve AI9IN
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rich Gopstein via AMSAT-BB (amsat-bb@?????.????
> Date: 07/13/20 15:25
> To: Amsat - BBs (AMSAT-BB@?????.????
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Brief summary of the "unauthorized expenses" claim
>
> First: I'm not a lawyer. These are my observations only.
>
> This is what I learned over the past few days while researching the claim
> that the AMSAT money spent on legal services related to the new directors
> was "unauthorized".
>
> - I read the AMSAT bylaws. They are very readable, BTW - and not long.
> - The bylaws say that expenses can be authorized either by the board
> itself or by the officers of AMSAT if the board delegates that authority.
> - If an expense went to the board for approval, it would show up in the
> minutes of that board meeting.
> - If an expense were authorized by an officer, then it wouldn't show up
> in the minutes of a board meeting.
> - The claim that the expenses were unauthorized was based on the
> observation that there was no record in the board meeting minutes of the
> authorization. However, as mentioned above, not everything has to go to
> the board for approval. And that decision is up to the board itself.
> - In this case, the members of the AMSAT board at the time said that the
> expenses were authorized.
> - Since the board has the authority to authorize expenditures (directly
> or indirectly) and they say the expenses were authorized, that indicates
> to
> me that the expenses were authorized.
>
> Note: Michelle and Patrick were not members of the board when this
> happened. They were analyzing this after the fact.
>
> Rich
> KD2CQ
> AMSAT Life Member
> _______________________________________________
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 18:29:07 -0700
From: Jeff Moore <tnetcenter@?????.???>
To: Amsat - BBs <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Brief summary of the "unauthorized expenses"
claim
Message-ID:
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IF the BoD approved the expenses, why isn't that reflected in OFFICIAL
documentation???
Seems to me the incumbents are playing fast and loose with the facts
here!!!!
3 rd party investigation is called for to get at the REAL truth! Then let
the chips fall where they may!
7 3
Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 6:15 PM Rich Gopstein via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Let me clarify:
>
> I said "the board said the expenses were authorized."
>
> I didn't say "the board directly authorized the expenses"
>
> The implication is that the officers authorized the expenses and the board
> was OK with that. And since it's up to the board to decide what the
> officers can or can't authorize, the fact that they said that the expenses
> were authorized should be sufficient.
>
> Rich
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 5:46 PM Steve Kristoff via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> >
> > But even in your own evaluation there are contradictions.
> >
> > Quote from your email: "If an expense went to the board for approval, it
> > would show up in the
> > minutes of that board meeting."
> >
> > Further down your email: "- In this case, the members of the AMSAT board
> > at the time said that the
> > expenses were authorized."
> >
> >
> > Then, by your own evaluation of the by-laws, if the members of the board
> > authorized the expenditures (second quote), shouldn't that authorization
> > show up in the minutes of the board meeting? (first quote)
> >
> > Steve AI9IN
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Rich Gopstein via AMSAT-BB (amsat-bb@?????.????
> > Date: 07/13/20 15:25
> > To: Amsat - BBs (AMSAT-BB@?????.????
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Brief summary of the "unauthorized expenses" claim
> >
> > First: I'm not a lawyer. These are my observations only.
> >
> > This is what I learned over the past few days while researching the claim
> > that the AMSAT money spent on legal services related to the new directors
> > was "unauthorized".
> >
> > - I read the AMSAT bylaws. They are very readable, BTW - and not long.
> > - The bylaws say that expenses can be authorized either by the board
> > itself or by the officers of AMSAT if the board delegates that
> authority.
> > - If an expense went to the board for approval, it would show up in the
> > minutes of that board meeting.
> > - If an expense were authorized by an officer, then it wouldn't show up
> > in the minutes of a board meeting.
> > - The claim that the expenses were unauthorized was based on the
> > observation that there was no record in the board meeting minutes of
> the
> > authorization. However, as mentioned above, not everything has to go
> to
> > the board for approval. And that decision is up to the board itself.
> > - In this case, the members of the AMSAT board at the time said that
> the
> > expenses were authorized.
> > - Since the board has the authority to authorize expenditures (directly
> > or indirectly) and they say the expenses were authorized, that
> indicates
> > to
> > me that the expenses were authorized.
> >
> > Note: Michelle and Patrick were not members of the board when this
> > happened. They were analyzing this after the fact.
> >
> > Rich
> > KD2CQ
> > AMSAT Life Member
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 21:37:36 -0400
From: Rich Gopstein <rich@????????????.???>
To: "W3AB/GEO" <w3ab@?????.???>
Cc: Amsat - BBs <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] A question
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
I know that my posts don't show up for me in Gmail. They're there, but
it's not apparent.
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:29 PM W3AB/GEO via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> They don't appear to be.
>
> ?___
> Sent from my two way wrist watch
> 73 de W3AB/GEO?
>
> On Jul 13, 2020, 15:22, at 15:22, Efrem Acosta via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> >Is it true all posts now on this board are being held for approval by a
> >moderator?
> >
> >
> >
> >73 De W2CZ
> >Sent from my iPhone
> >_______________________________________________
> >Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> >to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> >Opinions expressed
> >are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> >of AMSAT-NA.
> >Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> >program!
> >Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 18:24:18 -0500
From: HenryTurner <henry.d.turner@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Why we are having this big unpleasant argument
on your satellite mailing list
Message-ID: <aaab5fc4-70ac-f9a0-44dd-8b91086aa982@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Hello all,
I am not an AMSAT member.? I know no one personally or otherwise who is
to my knowledge a member of AMSAT.? The last member I knew, was W5GEL.?
Some may remember him.? He was well known and SK in July of 2003.? I
have not worked a satellite in years.? I say all this to establish that
I truly have no connection to anyone who has responded to any of this
discussion.
My basic observation is the following:? AMSAT seems to have become the
object of a takeover.? In the world of public companies this happens
often, where an activist investor comes in with the intention of taking
control of the company.? The reasons for this can be varied and
complex.? Be it intellectual property, general assets or general control
(usually with a mindset that the company is being run wrongly or
ineptly.)? Because BODs in a public company are not really selected by
all stock holders as such only by those who control the majority of the
stock (don't fool yourself -- your vote is not equal to Buffett's,
unless you own as many shares as he does.) The activist usually becomes
well known as are his intentions.? A slate of directors is put up and if
the activist wins, his board winners are nothing more than his proxies.?
AMSAT is different instead of an individual buying stock for control, a
program of "get the votes" from the general membership ensues.? To put
it in distasteful terms a propaganda war ensues.? Your common Joe or
Joelene just does not have the access to all that two board members did
to get the votes to be elected.
Please don't be fooled by the, "it was this or it was that." There is a
minority who wishes to become the majority.? By bringing all this to the
public -- chaos ensues -- doubt clouds minds meanwhile control is
taken.? There are two board members who have caused upheaval they are
proxies for another.
I would suggest that whether you agree with the direction of AMSAT or
not, do not let it change (deserving to change or not) because of a
hijacking or coup.? If it wasn't the attorney expense excuse it would
have been something else down the road.
Thanks, again, just an opinion based on nothing more than reading these
discussions.
Henry -- K5YDD
On 7/13/2020 2:13 PM, Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Most of you are members of AMSAT. IMO the organization has some serious
> problems, and as members it is your duty to steer the organization with
> your votes. That means that you should remain aware of what is going on and
> you should make an informed vote. The satellite discussions go on, mostly
> uninterrupted, all year. A short break for politics is not unreasonable,
> and acrimonious discussion is to be expected when we take that break.
>
> Organisations are run by people who would not be doing the work if they did
> not have strong emotions about it. And they all have their own failings.
> Unfortunately, volunteer non-profit directors (and many public ones in big
> corporations) never learn a critical skill of democracy: *how to deal
> properly with opposition. *That is the root of what we are arguing about
> now. Opposition are not the enemy! Yet, they are clearly being treated as
> such. They are simply people who would reform the organization or take it
> in a different direction from the incumbents.
>
> In this case, Michelle and Patrick, before they were elected, were the
> loyal opposition - dedicated to a better organization, and deeply troubled
> by the decisions and conduct of the incumbent board. The incumbent's
> response was not to work with the opposition, but to hunker down and use
> lawyers. To the incumbent's great distress, the very same people got sent
> to the board by the membership! Leading to more lawyers. IMO the incumbents
> should have read this as a signal from the membership, rather than doubling
> down their resistance.
>
> The sad reality is that the newly-elected directors have never been allowed
> to function as directors. You should be concerned, since they are the
> people whom you elected to represent you. The main means used to disable
> your elected representatives has been refusal by the incumbents to hold
> board meetings. This refusal is almost total, with exactly *one* meeting
> being held after the organization's annual convention.
>
> The second means used to disenfranchise the newly-elected directors was
> that the incumbents withheld information which a director would generally
> be expected to have access to. As it happened, this information was at
> least in part discussion of those very same people, and contracting of
> legal counsel in a process against them.
>
> Every board has the right to legal counsel. But it's expensive, and must be
> used wisely. This was not a wise use. A wise use would have been to engage
> the opposition rather than to hunker down.
>
> One very large cause of all of this is that the same people have been
> running AMSAT for a very long time, and it becomes an echo chamber after a
> while - the us-vs-them mentality of the board vs. the opposition - but
> really the board vs. everyone else - becomes self-reinforcing.
>
> This is obviously wrong for the organization. The solution is simple, and
> every organization needs it: *regular turn-over of the people in the
> organization's leadership. *Not the stratification that we currently have.
>
> You can fix this by electing more new blood to the board.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bruce
>
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 16:58:18 -0700
From: "Ted Krempa" <k7trkradio@???????.???>
To: <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] test
Message-ID: <00c701d65971$7c78db00$756a9100$@???????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
test
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:58:42 -0700
From: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
To: Kevin <wa7fwf@?????.???>
Cc: BOD@?????.???? AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Member Mailing list
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
"I've mailed" does not mean I saw the address list or, for that matter,
that I licked the stamps with my own tongue. We already told you that we
used a company, and Michelle dealt with the company. I doubt that any
letter mailed to you by a politician was physically mailed by them. It's
still a letter from them.
It seems at this point that you are grasping at straws.
Thanks
Bruce
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:57 PM Kevin via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
>
> OK, one of these two statements is a lie, which one is it?
>
>
> > On 7/12/2020 9:48 PM, Bruce Perens wrote:
> >> Kevin,
> >>
> >> No, I never saw the mailing list .*I didn't do the mailing* . I only
> >> wrote the content .
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Bruce K6BP
> >>
> >>
>
> "Please see my letter on the web, or the paper copy*I've mailed* to
> everyone
> one of you".
>
>
> http://druidnetworks.com/2020-07-13.png
>
>
> And I agree this is getting old and needs to be pulled off here and
> moved over to AMSAT to get to the bottom of this and take action.
>
>
> Kevin WA7FWF 19623
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
--
Bruce Perens - CEO at stealth startup. I'll tell you what it is eventually
:-)
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 18:25:44 -0700
From: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Brief summary of the "unauthorized expenses"
claim
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
I don't actually understand why we are discussing whether they were
authorized. That is, at most, of tertiary importance. Of primary importance
would be: was this a good decision, and a good use of the organization's
funds, wherever they came from?
I also don't consider it relevant whether the funds were membership dues,
donations, or a grant. Although most grants are earmarked for a purpose, so
that is less likely.
Let's just talk about "was this smart, was it responsible, is it the kind
of decision I'd like to see from the board in the future?"
Thanks
Bruce
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 6:24 PM Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???> wrote:
> I don't actually understand why we are discussing whether they were
> authorized. That is, at most, of tertiary importance. Of primary importance
> would be: was this a good decision, and a good use of the organization's
> funds, wherever they came from?
>
> I also don't consider it relevant whether the funds were membership dues,
> donations, or a grant. Although most grants are earmarked for a purpose, so
> that is less likely.
>
> Let's just talk about "was this smart, was it responsible, is it the kind
> of decision I'd like to see from the board in the future?"
>
> Thanks
>
> Bruce
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 6:17 PM Rich Gopstein via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
>> Let me clarify:
>>
>> I said "the board said the expenses were authorized."
>>
>> I didn't say "the board directly authorized the expenses"
>>
>> The implication is that the officers authorized the expenses and the board
>> was OK with that. And since it's up to the board to decide what the
>> officers can or can't authorize, the fact that they said that the expenses
>> were authorized should be sufficient.
>>
>> Rich
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 5:46 PM Steve Kristoff via AMSAT-BB <
>> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > But even in your own evaluation there are contradictions.
>> >
>> > Quote from your email: "If an expense went to the board for approval, it
>> > would show up in the
>> > minutes of that board meeting."
>> >
>> > Further down your email: "- In this case, the members of the AMSAT board
>> > at the time said that the
>> > expenses were authorized."
>> >
>> >
>> > Then, by your own evaluation of the by-laws, if the members of the board
>> > authorized the expenditures (second quote), shouldn't that authorization
>> > show up in the minutes of the board meeting? (first quote)
>> >
>> > Steve AI9IN
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Rich Gopstein via AMSAT-BB (amsat-bb@?????.????
>> > Date: 07/13/20 15:25
>> > To: Amsat - BBs (AMSAT-BB@?????.????
>> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Brief summary of the "unauthorized expenses" claim
>> >
>> > First: I'm not a lawyer. These are my observations only.
>> >
>> > This is what I learned over the past few days while researching the
>> claim
>> > that the AMSAT money spent on legal services related to the new
>> directors
>> > was "unauthorized".
>> >
>> > - I read the AMSAT bylaws. They are very readable, BTW - and not
>> long.
>> > - The bylaws say that expenses can be authorized either by the board
>> > itself or by the officers of AMSAT if the board delegates that
>> authority.
>> > - If an expense went to the board for approval, it would show up in
>> the
>> > minutes of that board meeting.
>> > - If an expense were authorized by an officer, then it wouldn't show
>> up
>> > in the minutes of a board meeting.
>> > - The claim that the expenses were unauthorized was based on the
>> > observation that there was no record in the board meeting minutes of
>> the
>> > authorization. However, as mentioned above, not everything has to go
>> to
>> > the board for approval. And that decision is up to the board itself.
>> > - In this case, the members of the AMSAT board at the time said that
>> the
>> > expenses were authorized.
>> > - Since the board has the authority to authorize expenditures
>> (directly
>> > or indirectly) and they say the expenses were authorized, that
>> indicates
>> > to
>> > me that the expenses were authorized.
>> >
>> > Note: Michelle and Patrick were not members of the board when this
>> > happened. They were analyzing this after the fact.
>> >
>> > Rich
>> > KD2CQ
>> > AMSAT Life Member
>> > _______________________________________________
>> >
>> >
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 18:40:27 -0700
From: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
To: "W3AB/GEO" <w3ab@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] A question
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I was definitely on moderation as a relatively new list member. I am
seeing a delay in when my postings appear in the archive. This could be
moderation, or simply an artifact of when a cron job runs.
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 6:29 PM W3AB/GEO via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> They don't appear to be.
>
> ?___
> Sent from my two way wrist watch
> 73 de W3AB/GEO?
>
> On Jul 13, 2020, 15:22, at 15:22, Efrem Acosta via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> >Is it true all posts now on this board are being held for approval by a
> >moderator?
> >
> >
> >
> >73 De W2CZ
> >Sent from my iPhone
> >_______________________________________________
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> >to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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> >of AMSAT-NA.
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> >program!
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> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 03:31:39 +0000
From: "Joseph B. Fitzgerald" <jfitzgerald@????.???.???>
To: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] amsat-bb now on emergency moderation.
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The amsat-bb list has been placed in "Emergency Moderation" mode as of
approximately 02:30 UTC Tuesday due to numerous violations of the Acceptable
Use Policy for the AMSAT Public Mailing Lists.
In relevant part:
"Strong disagreements on issues are inevitable, but the AMSAT mailing lists
are not the place for exchanges which become spiteful, unproductive
exchanges. If you must have
a heated exchange, it should be conducted privately and not in public on a
mailing list.
In addition, you agree that as a user of the AMSAT Lists, you will not
...communicate any .... vulgar, hateful ... material of any sort."
Outgoing mail from the AMSAT mail server is rate limited. Recent unusually
high list traffic has caused some delivery delays prior to the emergency
moderation action made at 02:30 UTC.
Joe Fitzgerald KM1P
AMSAT IT
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