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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Large AZ/El disk rotors (W3AB/GEO)
2. Candidate Statements (Ev Tupis)
3. Trim your messages (Daniel Schultz)
4. Re: amsat-bb now on emergency moderation. (Bob Hammond)
5. Re: Candidate Statements (Dave Taylor)
6. Re: Candidate Statements (Robert Bankston)
7. Slack vs. eMail -- The medium is the message (Robert MacHale)
8. Re: Slack vs. eMail -- The medium is the message (W3AB/GEO)
9. Re: Slack vs. eMail -- The medium is the message (Eli Caul)
10. Re: Slack vs. eMail -- The medium is the message (Tanner Jones)
11. Re: Slack vs. eMail -- The medium is the message (Ciemon Dunville)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 21:17:40 -0700
From: W3AB/GEO <w3ab@?????.???>
To: Ollie Eisman <ollie@?????????.???>
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Large AZ/El disk rotors
Message-ID: <16130908-2800-41a0-9af4-120f85e50b76@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Ollie,
Good question.
That's some serious mass you want to move, fiberglass or not. Which, IMHO,
will require some expensive "motors" not to mention a support structure.
Please keep us posted with your progress. Pix would be nice too.
?___
Sent from my two way wrist watch
73 de W3AB/GEO?
On Jul 13, 2020, 18:34, at 18:34, Ollie Eisman via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>
>I would like to attach a solid 8' fiberglass dish to an az/el rotor
>system.? Does anyone have any experience with either Alfa Spid Big
>RAK/RAEL system or the Sub Lunar EME rotor that Green Heron sells??
>Curious to know how well they work, handle wind gusts, interface with a
>
>PC, etc.
>
>I like what M2 offers but their prices are a bit more than I can
>afford.? I'm open to suggestions.
>
>73,
>Ollie AJ1O
>AMSAT #19698
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>Opinions expressed
>are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>of AMSAT-NA.
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>program!
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 03:24:39 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ev Tupis <w2ev@?????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Candidate Statements
Message-ID: <1490885243.880947.1594697079768@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Where would one go to learn who the candidates are and what they wish to
accomplish if elected?
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 22:51:22 -0400
From: "Daniel Schultz" <n8fgv@???.???>
To: <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Trim your messages
Message-ID: <772ygNcYw6272Set.1594695082@?????.???.???.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Would you all please trim the messages that you are replying too? There is no
need to quote more lines of text back to the -bb then you are writing
yourself. Better yet, don't quote anything at all, we can probably follow the
message thread by this point in the discussion. That would go a long way
toward raising the signal to noise ratio of the present discussion.
Dan N8FGV
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 06:21:43 -0700
From: Bob Hammond <propgrinder@?????.???>
To: "Joseph B. Fitzgerald" <jfitzgerald@????.???.???>
Cc: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] amsat-bb now on emergency moderation.
Message-ID:
<CAKoB7OrtwrP_izOWuOS0wQQV8-DRFh7yQ61qhVnV7kSvfDBycw@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Thank you!
Bob W7OTJ
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 8:43 PM Joseph B. Fitzgerald via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> The amsat-bb list has been placed in "Emergency Moderation" mode as of
> approximately 02:30 UTC Tuesday due to numerous violations of the
> Acceptable Use Policy for the AMSAT Public Mailing Lists.
>
> In relevant part:
>
> "Strong disagreements on issues are inevitable, but the AMSAT mailing lists
> are not the place for exchanges which become spiteful, unproductive
> exchanges. If you must have
> a heated exchange, it should be conducted privately and not in public on a
> mailing list.
> In addition, you agree that as a user of the AMSAT Lists, you will not
> ...communicate any .... vulgar, hateful ... material of any sort."
>
>
> Outgoing mail from the AMSAT mail server is rate limited. Recent
> unusually high list traffic has caused some delivery delays prior to the
> emergency moderation action made at 02:30 UTC.
>
>
> Joe Fitzgerald KM1P
> AMSAT IT
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 10:06:59 -0400
From: Dave Taylor <ariss.w8aas@?????.???>
To: Ev Tupis <w2ev@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Candidate Statements
Message-ID: <59DD1D23-C70E-42E6-9379-867292733E64@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I expect it will be as in the past: members will receive a letter with
ballot and candidate statements.
Dave Taylor, W8AAS
AMSAT member # 8974
> On Jul 13, 2020, at 11:24 PM, Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
>
> Where would one go to learn who the candidates are and what they wish to
accomplish if elected?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 14:21:54 +0000 (UTC)
From: Robert Bankston <ke4al@?????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>, Ev Tupis <w2ev@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Candidate Statements
Message-ID: <812693345.1431162.1594736514535@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Ev,
Candidate statements will be mailed with ballots.? Some of the candidates
have created web pages, and they are free to post a link here on the BB.
73,
Robert Bankston, KE4ALVice-President, User ServicesRadio Amateur Satellite
Corporation (AMSAT)
On Tuesday, July 14, 2020, 08:41:42 AM CDT, Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
Where would one go to learn who the candidates are and what they wish to
accomplish if elected?
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 14:23:07 +0000 (UTC)
From: Robert MacHale <robert.machale@?????.???>
To: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Slack vs. eMail -- The medium is the message
Message-ID: <630780880.1425003.1594736587513@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Can I suggest moving AMSAT member communications from eMail to Slack?
When I taught at UC Riverside last year - we used Slack to communicate with
students. The tech companies I have worked with in Southern California have
used Slack for many years. Recently, I noticed the Parrot Disco (RC Glider)
club uses Slack to communicate with volunteers and members:
https://github.com/uavpal/disco4g?
The benefit to Slack is having channels for each topic. In this case,
discussion about Board Membership can be in it's own channel. People who are
not interested are not required to read.
Each technology can have it's own channel. Each project can have it's own
channel. And, members can find each other easily.
This current eMail subscription for all things creates a pain point -
encouraging everyone to read everything.
I highly recommend the Board of Directors evaluate Slack as a replacement
for eMail; the corporate cost per user in low compared to value: excellent
ROI. Remember, eMail subscriptions became popular in the 1980s. This
protocol is entirely outdated and outmoded for conversations today. Keep in
mind, the Medium is the message - another reminder AmSat has become outdated
and outmoded and not keeping up with the times.
Slack has been a positive and transforming tool employed on many projects I
have worked with recently.
Sincerely,
Robert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio License.?http://www.aprsat.com/predict
.?http://www.spaceCommunicator.club?
. Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space Exploration
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 08:23:44 -0700
From: W3AB/GEO <w3ab@?????.???>
To: Robert MacHale <robert.machale@?????.???>
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Slack vs. eMail -- The medium is the message
Message-ID: <ade3b87b-fad6-41c7-bd53-ac42baaabfe0@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
IMHO, that bears merit.
?___
Sent from my two way wrist watch
73 de W3AB/GEO?
On Jul 14, 2020, 07:50, at 07:50, Robert MacHale via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>Can I suggest moving AMSAT member communications from eMail to Slack?
>
>When I taught at UC Riverside last year - we used Slack to communicate
>with students. The tech companies I have worked with in Southern
>California have used Slack for many years. Recently, I noticed the
>Parrot Disco (RC Glider) club uses Slack to communicate with volunteers
>and members:
>
>https://github.com/uavpal/disco4g?
>
>The benefit to Slack is having channels for each topic. In this case,
>discussion about Board Membership can be in it's own channel. People
>who are not interested are not required to read.
>
>Each technology can have it's own channel. Each project can have it's
>own channel. And, members can find each other easily.
>This current eMail subscription for all things creates a pain point -
>encouraging everyone to read everything.
>I highly recommend the Board of Directors evaluate Slack as a
>replacement for eMail; the corporate cost per user in low compared to
>value: excellent ROI. Remember, eMail subscriptions became popular in
>the 1980s. This protocol is entirely outdated and outmoded for
>conversations today. Keep in mind, the Medium is the message - another
>reminder AmSat has become outdated and outmoded and not keeping up with
>the times.
>Slack has been a positive and transforming tool employed on many
>projects I have worked with recently.
>Sincerely,
>
>Robert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio License.?http://www.aprsat.com/predict
>.?http://www.spaceCommunicator.club?
>. Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space
>Exploration
>
>_______________________________________________
>Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>Opinions expressed
>are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>of AMSAT-NA.
>Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>program!
>Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 16:37:26 +0000
From: Eli Caul <eli.caul@?????.???>
To: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Slack vs. eMail -- The medium is the message
Message-ID:
<BYAPR20MB2326EEA3EEDE3DC8F5C3E6EB98610@?????????????.????????.????.???????.??
?>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
In my corporate experience, you need to be very careful with these solutions
- -It sounds great at first, but what ends up happening is you create so
many sub groups in an effort to cover every interest that you end up with a
big splintered environment in which you can?t find anything.
Also, IM solutions like Teams, Slack etc are really trying to solve a
different problem. They are great for short sprints, projects, service
outages and the like, but the messages tend to be very ephemeral.
We tried this in a few of the car clubs I participate in, and the people who
suffer the most are casual visitors. They read digests, or just browse
the list a few times a month and they get caught up.
In an IM environment, it seems that you have to be on it every day or else
things get lost in the sands of time.
We run a hybrid solution at work that might work well for AMSAT. Leave the
mailing list(s) basically as is, and then set up a Slack type solution for
special projects, or intense conversations like the recent thread re: Amsat
management and direction.
Sharing my experience, HTH, etc etc
'73 de KK6ZHZ
- Eli Caul
-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???> On Behalf Of Robert MacHale via
AMSAT-BB
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 07:23
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] Slack vs. eMail -- The medium is the message
Can I suggest moving AMSAT member communications from eMail to Slack?
When I taught at UC Riverside last year - we used Slack to communicate with
students. The tech companies I have worked with in Southern California have
used Slack for many years. Recently, I noticed the Parrot Disco (RC Glider)
club uses Slack to communicate with volunteers and members:
https://github.com/uavpal/disco4g?
The benefit to Slack is having channels for each topic. In this case,
discussion about Board Membership can be in it's own channel. People who are
not interested are not required to read.
Each technology can have it's own channel. Each project can have it's own
channel. And, members can find each other easily.
This current eMail subscription for all things creates a pain point -
encouraging everyone to read everything.
I highly recommend the Board of Directors evaluate Slack as a replacement
for eMail; the corporate cost per user in low compared to value: excellent
ROI. Remember, eMail subscriptions became popular in the 1980s. This
protocol is entirely outdated and outmoded for conversations today. Keep in
mind, the Medium is the message - another reminder AmSat has become outdated
and outmoded and not keeping up with the times.
Slack has been a positive and transforming tool employed on many projects I
have worked with recently.
Sincerely,
Robert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio License.?http://www.aprsat.com/predict
.?http://www.spaceCommunicator.club . Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in
Radio, Robotics, and Space Exploration
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all
interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
views of AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 12:01:24 -0500
From: Tanner Jones <twjones85@?????.???>
To: Eli Caul <eli.caul@?????.???>
Cc: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Slack vs. eMail -- The medium is the message
Message-ID: <54F7E81A-85C9-4687-80D0-1557114F6284@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
From maintaining an email reflector (which I prefer over an IM app or
whatever), groups.io allows subgroups which is basically different channels.
Still supports individual messages, full featured digest, plain digest, or
daily summary.
Just another idea.
73,
Tanner
W9TWJ
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 14, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Eli Caul via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
>
> ?In my corporate experience, you need to be very careful with these
solutions - -It sounds great at first, but what ends up happening is you
create so many sub groups in an effort to cover every interest that you end
up with a big splintered environment in which you can?t find anything.
>
> Also, IM solutions like Teams, Slack etc are really trying to solve a
different problem. They are great for short sprints, projects, service
outages and the like, but the messages tend to be very ephemeral.
>
> We tried this in a few of the car clubs I participate in, and the people
who suffer the most are casual visitors. They read digests, or just
browse the list a few times a month and they get caught up.
>
> In an IM environment, it seems that you have to be on it every day or else
things get lost in the sands of time.
>
> We run a hybrid solution at work that might work well for AMSAT. Leave
the mailing list(s) basically as is, and then set up a Slack type solution
for special projects, or intense conversations like the recent thread re:
Amsat management and direction.
>
> Sharing my experience, HTH, etc etc
>
> '73 de KK6ZHZ
>
> - Eli Caul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???> On Behalf Of Robert MacHale
via AMSAT-BB
> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 07:23
> To: amsat-bb@?????.???
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Slack vs. eMail -- The medium is the message
>
> Can I suggest moving AMSAT member communications from eMail to Slack?
>
> When I taught at UC Riverside last year - we used Slack to communicate
with students. The tech companies I have worked with in Southern California
have used Slack for many years. Recently, I noticed the Parrot Disco (RC
Glider) club uses Slack to communicate with volunteers and members:
>
> https://github.com/uavpal/disco4g
>
> The benefit to Slack is having channels for each topic. In this case,
discussion about Board Membership can be in it's own channel. People who are
not interested are not required to read.
>
> Each technology can have it's own channel. Each project can have it's own
channel. And, members can find each other easily.
> This current eMail subscription for all things creates a pain point -
encouraging everyone to read everything.
> I highly recommend the Board of Directors evaluate Slack as a replacement
for eMail; the corporate cost per user in low compared to value: excellent
ROI. Remember, eMail subscriptions became popular in the 1980s. This
protocol is entirely outdated and outmoded for conversations today. Keep in
mind, the Medium is the message - another reminder AmSat has become outdated
and outmoded and not keeping up with the times.
> Slack has been a positive and transforming tool employed on many projects
I have worked with recently.
> Sincerely,
>
> Robert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio License. http://www.aprsat.com/predict .
http://www.spaceCommunicator.club . Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in
Radio, Robotics, and Space Exploration
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to
all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 18:04:33 +0100
From: Ciemon Dunville <ciemon@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Slack vs. eMail -- The medium is the message
Message-ID:
<CAJVD89kTzAqdKPvEQm+y7UtWsRFNW7Vr=kkz-A2+no-FwehUwg@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Good luck with that.
I too think that email is too slow and cumbersome for conversations these
days so I set up a Discord server and whilst there was an initial influx of
people there are usually only about 10 consistently there these days.
I've set up extra channels for topics and countries, there could me more
but it would seem that the AMSAT crowd are content with the way things are.
Should you want a look at the Discord server the invitation link is
https://discord.gg/S8M9NP2
73
Ciemon
G0TRT
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