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Today's Topics:
1. QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo (tjschuessler@???????.????
2. Re: best android sat program? (John Brier)
3. Re: AMSAT Open Source Policy (Joseph Armbruster)
4. Re: best android sat program? (aj9n@???.????
5. AB2S - more candidate info (Howie DeFelice)
6. Re: AMSAT Open Source Policy (Joseph Armbruster)
7. Re: AB2S - more candidate info (Fernando Ramirez)
8. Re: Slack vs. eMail -- The medium is the message (VA7KBM)
9. Re: best android sat program? (Ted Krempa)
10. Re: AB2S - more candidate info (Kenneth P Alexander)
11. Re: AMSAT Open Source Policy (Joe Leikhim)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 20:46:47 -0500
From: <tjschuessler@???????.???>
To: <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo
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I am sure you have seen information about this on ARRL or other Amateur
Radio news outlets. Is anybody from the AMSAT Ambassadors or volunteers
planning on trying to sign up for a speakers slot for this? Lots of other
ham activities are represented. It would be a shame if we were not there
promoting Amateur Radio in Space. I will if no one else will, but I think
we have a bunch of good presenters in our ranks and we should be
represented. Hopefully it is not too late to get a slot.
Tom Schuessler, N5HYP
EM12ms
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 22:24:45 -0400
From: John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???>
To: Ted Krempa <k7trkradio@???????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] best android sat program?
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ISS Detector Pro IMO.
I like it because I can select just the sats I want to see via
filters, and at a glance I can open it up and see what sats are coming
in range in the next few hours, or days
http://sats.wikidot.com/what-apps-can-i-use-to-track-satellites
73, John Brier KG4AKV
On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 9:27 PM Ted Krempa via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> .just inherited wife's old android tablet..(Asus ZenPad)
>
>
>
> What is the recommended sat tracking program for an android tablet?
>
>
>
> 73, Ted
>
> K7TRK
>
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 23:01:57 -0400
From: Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@?????.???>
To: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>, Stephen DeVience
<sjdevience@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Open Source Policy
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Bruce,
When you say "Development of Phase 4 continues at ORI". What is Phase
4 development? For how long has it been taking place and what does it
encompass?
Joseph Armbruster
KJ4JIO
On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 9:25 PM Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 1:51 PM Stephen DeVience via AMSAT-BB <amsat-.
>
> > I can see negatives as well
> > 1) Manufacturers of space-rated hardware may want certain aspects kept
> > private, and it might not be possible to easily find or make an
open-source
> > replacement. How extensive is the ITAR carve-out? If you use just one
> > proprietary component, does that take you out of the carve-out?
> >
>
> It depends. If it is a black box and you interface to it as an open
> protocol, you don't have proprietary data - which is the ITAR trigger. If
> you have to enter into NDAs, etc., you will need to establish an ITAR
> project within the larger ITAR-free organization. Frankly, I don't see that
> it will often be worthwhile to do this, simply because the administrative
> overhead is so much higher. However if it is very technically desirable,
> establishing a compartmentalised project is eminently possible.
>
> We did this for Phase 4. You remember that Bob McGwier and Michelle were
> major technical leads on Phase 4, and the original concepts of the project
> included things that I suggested to Rich Hambly in 2007. I remained a
> contributor to the project. The amateur part of satellite was an ITAR
> compartmentalized project, the ground station was Open Source. My
> understanding is that FEMA got screwed over by a vendor, and then our
> friend the FEMA director left during and administration change or
> something, and we never got the satellite.
>
> Development of Phase 4 continues at ORI, with both sides Open Source. ORI
> is an AMSAT member organization. This is our band-aid for AMSAT being
> uncomfortable with Open Source and not yet having an appropriate policy.
>
> 2) It may force AMSAT to abandon long-standing relationships (whatever's in
> > those NDAs), which could greatly affect ongoing projects.
> >
>
> Keep the old stuff as ITAR compartmentalized until it's over, if that
> matters. The fact is we have not been launching all that much and it is
> hard to see from here where are those critical partnerships would be.
>
> This is not entirely an either-or situation. Nobody is asking AMSAT to jump
> off a cliff.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bruce
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 03:06:14 +0000 (UTC)
From: aj9n@???.???
To: johnbrier@?????.???? k7trkradio@???????.???
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] best android sat program?
Message-ID: <530379052.1708406.1594868774769@????.?????.???>
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For my Android phone, I use ISS Detector, AmsatDroid Free, and
Heavens-Above.? I assume they would also work for Android tablets but I
don't know that for a fact.
73,Charlie Sufana AJ9N
In a message dated 2020-07-15 22:25:55 Eastern Standard Time,
amsat-bb@?????.??? writes:
ISS Detector Pro IMO.
I like it because I can select just the sats I want to see via
filters, and at a glance I can open it up and see what sats are coming
in range in the next few hours, or days
http://sats.wikidot.com/what-apps-can-i-use-to-track-satellites
73, John Brier KG4AKV
On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 9:27 PM Ted Krempa via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> .just inherited wife's old android tablet..(Asus ZenPad)
>
>
>
> What is the recommended sat tracking program for an android tablet?
>
>
>
> 73, Ted
>
> K7TRK
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 03:07:23 +0000
From: Howie DeFelice <howied231@???????.???>
To: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AB2S - more candidate info
Message-ID:
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Some people have written and asked for more background information about me.
Thanks for asking. I added a resume page on
www.ab2s.freeservers.com<http://www.ab2s.freeservers.com> if anyone else is
interested.
73,
Howie AB2S
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 23:30:52 -0400
From: Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@?????.???>
To: Joe Leikhim <rhyolite@???????.???>
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Open Source Policy
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Joe Leikhim,
(note, i'm mobile, so apologies for typos)
I'm not trying to pick a fight with anyone, if asking someone this
question... "How does AMSAT benefit by pursuing an open source
policy?"... really makes you feel like i'm belittling a proposition,
please re-read what I wrote. The 'belittling' portion was your
original thought. I was just pointing out how the GPL works...
belittle that.
"You would think the AMSAT bank accounts would be overflowing"
Well, I honestly don't know... I'll return the question because I, and
I assume many others reading have not seen financials, sohow are AMSAT
bank accounts doing? From all accounts from the BB, I have no
evidence indicating the numbers are bad, except for hear-say...
Numbers please...?
"and invitations for HEO launches would be so many we would be turning
them down?"
Who is turning HEO launches down, and more specifically why? Please clarify.
Joseph Armbruster
KJ4JIO
On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 9:50 PM Joe Leikhim via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> /Joseph; you wax on about intellectual property and symbiotic
> relationships etc, and then ask /
> //"How does AMSAT benefit b//y pursuing an open source policy?" May I
> ask, how in the past 10 years has AMSAT benefited by running the
> proprietary system they are running now? You would think the AMSAT bank
> accounts would be overflowing and invitations for HEO launches would be
> so many we would be turning them down? Please answer this before
> belittling the proposition. / On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 7:21 AM Joseph
> Armbruster <josepharmbruster at gmail.com
> <https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb>> wrote: />>//>>/You did
not really answer the first question: "How does AMSAT benefit />>/by
pursuing an open source policy?" />
>
> --
> Joe Leikhim
>
>
> Leikhim and Associates
>
> Communications Consultants
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 21:05:45 -0700
From: Fernando Ramirez <framirezferrer@?????.???>
To: Howie DeFelice <howied231@???????.???>
Cc: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AB2S - more candidate info
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Very interesting background. This is exactly the kind of expertise our
organization needs if we ever want to reach HEO/GEO, not flashy slogans and
websites.
You have my full support!
73
Fernando, KF7R
On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM Howie DeFelice via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Some people have written and asked for more background information about
> me. Thanks for asking. I added a resume page on www.ab2s.freeservers.com<
> http://www.ab2s.freeservers.com> if anyone else is interested.
>
> 73,
> Howie AB2S
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 18:52:40 -0700
From: VA7KBM <amsat.va7kbm@???????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Slack vs. eMail -- The medium is the message
Message-ID:
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Hello everyone,
As others have pointed out, there can be very significant downsides to
conference systems over email. As much as we might think we want topics
to be separated you can easily end up with too much fragmentation of
both topics and responses, navigation can be an issue, moderation is
much more labor-intensive, and it forces everyone to use yet another
platform which may lead to a loss of interest and participation.
If staying with an email list, AMSAT should consider a more modern email
list system. Someone else mentioned groups.io which is one example of an
email list system that provides some limited group features. I'm sure
there are other such systems worth considering, and they will all
provide the usual refinements over AMSAT-BB like text formatting
(colour, bold, underline, bullet lists, etc.), embedded images, and
attachments. In addition to usability features, such platforms will
likely improve email deliverability and will not require AMSAT to
operate their own email list services. [It's generally not a good idea
for most small organizations to run their own email servers these days -
too much security and technical overhead, and who needs that?]
73 Ken VA7KBM
On 7/14/2020 7:23 AM, Robert MacHale via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Can I suggest moving AMSAT member communications from eMail to Slack?
>
> When I taught at UC Riverside last year - we used Slack to communicate
with students. The tech companies I have worked with in Southern California
have used Slack for many years. Recently, I noticed the Parrot Disco (RC
Glider) club uses Slack to communicate with volunteers and members:
>
> https://github.com/uavpal/disco4g
>
> The benefit to Slack is having channels for each topic. In this case,
discussion about Board Membership can be in it's own channel. People who are
not interested are not required to read.
>
> Each technology can have it's own channel. Each project can have it's own
channel. And, members can find each other easily.
> This current eMail subscription for all things creates a pain point -
encouraging everyone to read everything.
> I highly recommend the Board of Directors evaluate Slack as a replacement
for eMail; the corporate cost per user in low compared to value: excellent
ROI. Remember, eMail subscriptions became popular in the 1980s. This
protocol is entirely outdated and outmoded for conversations today. Keep in
mind, the Medium is the message - another reminder AmSat has become outdated
and outmoded and not keeping up with the times.
> Slack has been a positive and transforming tool employed on many projects
I have worked with recently.
> Sincerely,
>
> Robert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio License.?http://www.aprsat.com/predict
> .?http://www.spaceCommunicator.club
> . Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space
Exploration
>
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 19:02:55 -0700
From: "Ted Krempa" <k7trkradio@???????.???>
To: "'David Bartholomew'" <dgbartholomew@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] best android sat program?
Message-ID: <003401d65b15$395f3530$ac1d9f90$@???????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Thank you, Dave
73, Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???? On Behalf Of David
Bartholomew via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 4:49 PM
To: AMSAT BB
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] best android sat program?
I use two:
AmsatDroid Free
ISS Detector Pro
The AmsatDroidFree is free, but the satellites are listed in order by age
and it's a little cumbersome to find the one you want. You can look at only
one sat at a time and the prediction only goes out 24 hours ahead. But,
it's free.
ISS Detector Pro. The base version only tracks the ISS, so you need to pay
a little bit for the add-ons, which include all the ham sats. You can
customize a list of your favorite sats and see which ones are coming, in
date/time order. Very nice app.
Dave AD7DB
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 04:34:53 +0000
From: Kenneth P Alexander <ve3hls@?????.???>
To: Fernando Ramirez <framirezferrer@?????.???>
Cc: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AB2S - more candidate info
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Ditto!
Ken Alexander, VE3HLS
So Phisai, Thailand
Blog: bueng-ken.com
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 4:08 AM Fernando Ramirez via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Very interesting background. This is exactly the kind of expertise our
> organization needs if we ever want to reach HEO/GEO, not flashy slogans and
> websites.
>
> You have my full support!
>
> 73
> Fernando, KF7R
>
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM Howie DeFelice via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> > Some people have written and asked for more background information about
> > me. Thanks for asking. I added a resume page on www.ab2s.freeservers.com
> <
> > http://www.ab2s.freeservers.com> if anyone else is interested.
> >
> > 73,
> > Howie AB2S
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
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> > AMSAT-NA.
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> program!
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> >
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 00:36:30 -0400
From: Joe Leikhim <rhyolite@???????.???>
To: Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@?????.???>
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Open Source Policy
Message-ID: <e9f37711-2279-379d-88f2-257b215894c6@???????.???>
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Your question is asking why open source will benefit AMSAT and you
further argue that the proprietary? IP of AMSAT NA is less marketable if
released under an open-source (to circumvent AMSATs nemesis ITAR)..
My question is simply. how marketable has it been? Is it so marketable
that AMSAT does not have to have fundraisers to support its main
product, launching satellites?? I say no it is not that valuable. I
don't think anything AMSAT has designed has been sold and funds
deposited into the coffers. At least not in my recollection and I have
been a long term member..
Is it marketable in that a "symbiotic relationship" exists with
aerospace companies like you imply?? I wont argue there have not been
such agreements, but it is hardly enough to tilt greatly in favor of
AMSAT getting an HEO ride. In the "old days" riding as ballast was
usually the way to go. Not anymore as launches are like Uber.
I see trouble brewing at AMSAT. Not sure whose side I am on, but we have
had a decade or more of technical stagnation. I proposed an HEO launch
last month and was harangued by the old guard for suggesting such a thing.
I am puzzled what everyone wants to protect from change.
On 7/15/2020 11:30 PM, Joseph Armbruster wrote:
> Joe Leikhim,
>
> (note, i'm mobile, so apologies for typos)
>
> I'm not trying to pick a fight with anyone, if asking someone this
> question... "How does AMSAT benefit by pursuing an open source
> policy?"... really makes you feel like i'm belittling a proposition,
> please re-read what I wrote. The 'belittling' portion was your
> original thought. I was just pointing out how the GPL works...
> belittle that.
>
> "You would think the AMSAT bank accounts would be overflowing"
>
> Well, I honestly don't know... I'll return the question because I, and
> I assume many others reading have not seen financials, sohow are AMSAT
> bank accounts doing? From all accounts from the BB, I have no
> evidence indicating the numbers are bad, except for hear-say...
> Numbers please...?
>
> "and invitations for HEO launches would be so many we would be turning
> them down?"
>
> Who is turning HEO launches down, and more specifically why? Please
clarify.
>
> Joseph Armbruster
> KJ4JIO
>
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 9:50 PM Joe Leikhim via AMSAT-BB
> <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>> /Joseph; you wax on about intellectual property and symbiotic
>> relationships etc, and then ask /
>> //"How does AMSAT benefit b//y pursuing an open source policy?" May I
>> ask, how in the past 10 years has AMSAT benefited by running the
>> proprietary system they are running now? You would think the AMSAT bank
>> accounts would be overflowing and invitations for HEO launches would be
>> so many we would be turning them down? Please answer this before
>> belittling the proposition. / On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 7:21 AM Joseph
>> Armbruster <josepharmbruster at gmail.com
>> <https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb>> wrote: />>//>>/You did
not really answer the first question: "How does AMSAT benefit />>/by
pursuing an open source policy?" />
>>
>> --
>> Joe Leikhim
>>
>>
>> Leikhim and Associates
>>
>> Communications Consultants
>>
>> Oviedo, Florida
>>
>> JLeikhim@???????.???
>>
>> 407-982-0446
>>
>> WWW.LEIKHIM.COM
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
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