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Today's Topics:
1. Re: AmSat Ombudsman (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
2. Re: ISS and AMSAT? (Bob Hammond)
3. Re: ISS and AMSAT? (ka3hdo@?????.????
4. Re: AmSat Ombudsman (Robert MacHale)
5. Candidate Statement for the board elections for AMSAT by me
(Robert McGwier)
6. Re: ISS and AMSAT? (Bob Hammond)
7. Re: Slack vs. eMail -- The medium is the message
(Joseph B. Fitzgerald)
8. Re: ISS and AMSAT? (Bruce Perens)
9. Re: ISS and AMSAT? (Fernando Ramirez)
10. Re: Slack vs. eMail -- The medium is the message
(Michelle Thompson)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 15:06:38 +0000
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb@??????.???>
To: Robert MacHale <robert.machale@?????.???>, AMSAT
<amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AmSat Ombudsman
Message-ID:
<CAN6TEUfDXZEbXDYic4e4SQpzh68vct61tDf01r=iCr8vCkSZ6g@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Robert,
The first part of your e-mail appears to refer to an allegation Clint
Bradford K6LCS recently posted on this mailing list, and on other
mailing lists and forums. As I said on the QRZ satellite forum
yesterday, Clint's allegations about me and that web site are false.
In the few times I have publicly criticized Clint in recent years, I
did so with my name attached to what I posted, as I did on the eHam
satellite forum in 2016:
https://www.eham.net/community/smf/index.php?topic=108627.15
This exchange led to a letter sent by Clint to AMSAT and me, which
threatened AMSAT with legal action. I am not aware of AMSAT taking
actions in response to his letter, and - based on AMSAT's 2016 IRS tax
return - AMSAT did not spend any monies on legal expenses that year.
As for the other part of your e-mail, the "some reason" packets from
your APRS Internet gateway stations no longer appear on the ariss.net
web site, you and I had a conversation about that. One of your APRS
gateways was rewriting packets received from the ISS packet digipeater,
adding a tagline promoting the web site for your Space Communicator
Club. The packets containing that tagline were injected into the APRS
Internet System (APRS-IS), violating policies of that system. Those
packets also cluttered the listing of packets recently heard from the
ISS on the ariss.net web site. You told me at that time you were
testing a function on one of your gateways to put that tagline onto
packets, something that had been happening over the period of a few
days. This included the 20-minute period you mentioned, when one of
your gateways continued to send packets to the APRS-IS system after
the ISS had moved away from North America.
As you stated, I contacted Steve Dimse K4HG. Steve owns the ariss.net
and findu.com web sites, useful for displaying information on APRS
packets. I asked Steve about the packets from your gateway that were
showing up on his ariss.net web site. Steve reminded me of the APRS-IS
policies regarding packets being submitted to that system. Other than
appending the call sign of the gateway that received the packet to the
packet path, no other modifications are supposed to be made to packets
sent to the APRS-IS system. I mentioned that to you in a separate
e-mail, even citing the policies as published on the aprs-is.net web
site. I am aware that you and Steve also had an e-mail discussion about
this around the same time.
After those e-mail exchanges, I heard from you that packets from your
gateways would not appear on the ariss.net site. This appears to be an
issue between you and Steve, as Steve maintains the ariss.net web site.
I have no control over that, and - as far as I know - neither does
AMSAT. Have you reached out to Steve recently?
73.
Patrick Stoddard, WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @?????? or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 08:20:50 -0700
From: Bob Hammond <propgrinder@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
Message-ID:
<CAKoB7OpAg_sQwLwy0U0-nt6UQ+28ToR0qod2+_CtKKM2hZgOMQ@????.?????.???>
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Thanks all for the clarification.
Bob W7OTJ
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 7:33 AM Dave Taylor <ariss.w8aas@?????.???> wrote:
> That is not true. AMSAT remains a sponsoring partner of the international
> ARISS working group.
>
> What you might have seen is the announcement that the team of ARISS
> volunteers in the US has incorporated as a non-profit corporation
> (ARISS-USA). This was done to allow ARISS to sign agreements (with NASA
> and others) and seek grants in the ARISS name. In the past, AMSAT has done
> that in the US on behalf of ARISS. The functional change is that ARISS is
> assuming for itself some of the tasks that AMSAT has donated in the past.
> Our working relationship is not changing.
>
> *Dave Taylor, W8AAS*
>
> AMSAT-NA Delegte to ARISS-International
>
>
> On Jul 16, 2020, at 10:12 AM, Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> wrote:
>
> Recently, there was mention of AMSAT no longer being welcome in the ISS
> program. Is that true? Or do I need more coffee this morning?
>
> Bob W7OTJ
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 12:02:24 -0400
From: <ka3hdo@?????.???>
To: "'Dave Taylor'" <ariss.w8aas@?????.???>, "'Bob Hammond'"
<propgrinder@?????.???>
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
Message-ID: <002801d65b8a$807257c0$81570740$@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Agree with all, this is NOT true.
Please read the press release on the new ARISS-USA entity on the ARISS web
site www.ariss.org (4th article down). As Dave and others eloquently state,
ARISS-USA has a good relationship with AMSAT. In fact, the AMSAT-NA
President, several AMSAT-NA senior officers and one of the AMSAT-NA BoD
members attended today's Lunar Gateway (AREx, or Amateur Radio Exploration)
meeting.
I get this as a digest, so sorry about the delay.
73, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO
ARISS-USA Executive Director
AMSAT-NA V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Taylor <ariss.w8aas@?????.???>
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:33 AM
To: Bob Hammond <propgrinder@?????.???>
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
That is not true. AMSAT remains a sponsoring partner of the international
ARISS working group.
What you might have seen is the announcement that the team of ARISS
volunteers in the US has incorporated as a non-profit corporation
(ARISS-USA). This was done to allow ARISS to sign agreements (with NASA and
others) and seek grants in the ARISS name. In the past, AMSAT has done that
in the US on behalf of ARISS. The functional change is that ARISS is
assuming for itself some of the tasks that AMSAT has donated in the past.
Our working relationship is not changing.
Dave Taylor, W8AAS
AMSAT-NA Delegte to ARISS-International
> On Jul 16, 2020, at 10:12 AM, Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> Recently, there was mention of AMSAT no longer being welcome in the
> ISS program. Is that true? Or do I need more coffee this morning?
>
> Bob W7OTJ
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the
official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 16:10:01 +0000 (UTC)
From: Robert MacHale <robert.machale@?????.???>
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>, "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)"
<amsat-bb@??????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AmSat Ombudsman
Message-ID: <444869862.2694527.1594915801928@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Thanks for you response.
What I hear you saying is that you had no part in disparaging Gordo. And,
the assertions from Clint are not true. Is that what you are saying?
I reached out to Steve Demse about a year after the event. He seems to
believe I have earned a lifetime ban from his website. His initial comments
gave me the impression that the sky was falling if he did not respond to
your criticism of me and the iGate.
Let's itemize all the complaints:
1) Rogue Packets2) SpaceCommunicator.club tag3) Packet Counter tag
Which one of these complaints justifies a ban? Perhaps a temporary ban while
the issues are communicated. Perhaps even a warning.?
Keep in mind - you and I had not met - your eMail address was basically junk
mail to me. It was missed by me - my bad - until later review after the
fact. I did not notice them for weeks.
On the other hand Steve Demse and I had been in constant contact for weeks
on other topics during this season. Yet - he did not ever reach out to me
about these complaints. He claims he did - he did not - and I double
searched my Yahoo mail for any trace of eMail from him on this topic. He
claims it was sent (apparently to appease you) but it was not.
There are only 2 actors in this equation - that I am aware of - you and Steve.
There is really no reasonable explanation for a ban; much less a ban worthy
of a year. The site belongs to Steve and he has no oversight or appeal. He
can do whatever he wants.
If you are agreeable - perhaps you can reach out to Steve, as an AmSat
official, and suggest that a one year ban is more than sufficient - has
passed - and should be removed. That seems like a reasonable good faith
gesture.
As an AmSat official - consider the context - a new community member working
on an experiment - no mentoring available - no guidance available - just
criticism and banishment. There needs to be a better new member funnel that
makes people aware of the community entry points. Less isolation and more
community.
Can you explain the story behind Joe Spier, your complaint about someone,
your feelings that not enough was done. Did you push Joe out?
73
Robert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio License.?http://www.aprsat.com/predict
.?http://www.spaceCommunicator.club?
. Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space Exploration
Silly Joke:?What did the little mountain say to the bigger mountain? Hi Cliff!
On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 08:06:50 AM PDT, Patrick STODDARD
(WD9EWK/VA7EWK) <amsat-bb@??????.???> wrote:
Robert,
The first part of your e-mail appears to refer to an allegation Clint
Bradford K6LCS recently posted on this mailing list, and on other
mailing lists and forums. As I said on the QRZ satellite forum
yesterday, Clint's allegations about me and that web site are false.
In the few times I have publicly criticized Clint in recent years, I
did so with my name attached to what I posted, as I did on the eHam
satellite forum in 2016:
https://www.eham.net/community/smf/index.php?topic=108627.15
This exchange led to a letter sent by Clint to AMSAT and me, which
threatened AMSAT with legal action. I am not aware of AMSAT taking
actions in response to his letter, and - based on AMSAT's 2016 IRS tax
return - AMSAT did not spend any monies on legal expenses that year.
As for the other part of your e-mail, the "some reason" packets from
your APRS Internet gateway stations no longer appear on the ariss.net
web site, you and I had a conversation about that. One of your APRS
gateways was rewriting packets received from the ISS packet digipeater,
adding a tagline promoting the web site for your Space Communicator
Club. The packets containing that tagline were injected into the APRS
Internet System (APRS-IS), violating policies of that system. Those
packets also cluttered the listing of packets recently heard from the
ISS on the ariss.net web site. You told me at that time you were
testing a function on one of your gateways to put that tagline onto
packets, something that had been happening over the period of a few
days. This included the 20-minute period you mentioned, when one of
your gateways continued to send packets to the APRS-IS system after
the ISS had moved away from North America.
As you stated, I contacted Steve Dimse K4HG. Steve owns the ariss.net
and findu.com web sites, useful for displaying information on APRS
packets. I asked Steve about the packets from your gateway that were
showing up on his ariss.net web site. Steve reminded me of the APRS-IS
policies regarding packets being submitted to that system. Other than
appending the call sign of the gateway that received the packet to the
packet path, no other modifications are supposed to be made to packets
sent to the APRS-IS system. I mentioned that to you in a separate
e-mail, even citing the policies as published on the aprs-is.net web
site. I am aware that you and Steve also had an e-mail discussion about
this around the same time. ?
After those e-mail exchanges, I heard from you that packets from your
gateways would not appear on the ariss.net site. This appears to be an
issue between you and Steve, as Steve maintains the ariss.net web site.
I have no control over that, and - as far as I know - neither does
AMSAT. Have you reached out to Steve recently?
73.
Patrick Stoddard, WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @?????? or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 11:32:22 -0500
From: Robert McGwier <rwmcgwier@?????.???>
To: amsat bb <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Candidate Statement for the board elections for
AMSAT by me
Message-ID:
<CA+K5gzePE=_Eix718cz1rY6bAscOnBKVft+FPTNEVcg=kwKjtg@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Here is my candidate statement for the board elections. My
qualifications statement follows further editing. It is complex and
detailed so I am taking my time with it.
I hope you will support me for the board. I intend to devote my time and
attention during my newly begun retirement helping AMSAT specifically and
amateur radio in general.
FYI, I am now on the grants committee of ARDC and I hope to help all of
amateur radio while ARDC administers and grants these dollars to make
amateur radio and telecommunications engineering and science better.
The following is controversial, but it is clear. I do not like what I am
seeing or hearing in and around AMSAT. I will work hard for the members to
try and get "stuff" done.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DWwg7Y8lZ578MHn4Z31zE3Sem_38mvrk/view?usp=sha
ring
--
Bob McGwier
Founder, Federated Wireless, Inc
Founder and Technical Advisor, HawkEye 360, Inc
Adjunct Professor Virginia Tech
Former Chief Scientist: The Ted and Karyn Hume Center for National
Security and Technology
Senior Member IEEE, Facebook: N4HYBob, ARS: N4HY
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 09:52:48 -0700
From: Bob Hammond <propgrinder@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
Message-ID:
<CAKoB7Oq3AV68o+-e1HG6LFg9gyZEg4hYis9odnYN43A+nYyZhw@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
My confusion remains. In the candidate statement just sent by Robert
McGwier, he says "AMSAT already has a damaged reputation with the
separation of ARISS".
I'd like clarification, please.
Bob W7OTJ
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 9:02 AM <ka3hdo@?????.???> wrote:
> Agree with all, this is NOT true.
>
> Please read the press release on the new ARISS-USA entity on the ARISS web
> site www.ariss.org (4th article down). As Dave and others eloquently
> state,
> ARISS-USA has a good relationship with AMSAT. In fact, the AMSAT-NA
> President, several AMSAT-NA senior officers and one of the AMSAT-NA BoD
> members attended today's Lunar Gateway (AREx, or Amateur Radio Exploration)
> meeting.
>
> I get this as a digest, so sorry about the delay.
>
> 73, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO
> ARISS-USA Executive Director
> AMSAT-NA V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Taylor <ariss.w8aas@?????.???>
> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:33 AM
> To: Bob Hammond <propgrinder@?????.???>
> Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
>
> That is not true. AMSAT remains a sponsoring partner of the international
> ARISS working group.
>
> What you might have seen is the announcement that the team of ARISS
> volunteers in the US has incorporated as a non-profit corporation
> (ARISS-USA). This was done to allow ARISS to sign agreements (with NASA
> and
> others) and seek grants in the ARISS name. In the past, AMSAT has done
> that
> in the US on behalf of ARISS. The functional change is that ARISS is
> assuming for itself some of the tasks that AMSAT has donated in the past.
> Our working relationship is not changing.
>
> Dave Taylor, W8AAS
> AMSAT-NA Delegte to ARISS-International
>
> > On Jul 16, 2020, at 10:12 AM, Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB
> <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> >
> > Recently, there was mention of AMSAT no longer being welcome in the
> > ISS program. Is that true? Or do I need more coffee this morning?
> >
> > Bob W7OTJ
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the
> official views of AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
>
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 16:54:24 +0000
From: "Joseph B. Fitzgerald" <jfitzgerald@????.???.???>
To: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>, VA7KBM
<amsat.va7kbm@???????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Slack vs. eMail -- The medium is the message
Message-ID:
<DM5PR22MB08253AB6D0801ECBC044BB37877F0@?????????????.????????.????.???????.??
?>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Ken, VA7KBM wrote:
>... AMSAT should consider a more modern email list system.
Presently the IT crew is working on migrating our servers off the existing
Linux distribution which goes end-of-life in November to Ubuntu 20.04 LTS.
This will result in a change to GNU Mailman 3.0 ... more modern but not
exactly a quantum leap. Now would be a great time for a fleshed out
proposal for something else since it would be hard on the users to switch
again in another year or whatever. I have looked at groups.io a little bit
in the past, and it seems to be run by "good guys". Don't wait for
"AMSAT" to consider alternatives, you guys are AMSAT, so put together a good
proposal and convince people.
> ... It's generally not a good idea
>for most small organizations to run their own email servers these days -
>too much security and technical overhead, and who needs that?
I surely don't need that and I am one of they guys that directly deals with
that overhead. That being said, an issue that trips me up every time I
look at having someone else run things is the e-mail alias service we
provide to anyone with a callsign. We have somewhere around 16,000 users
of that service and I know of no economically viable way to do that except
on our own servers.
de KM1P Joe
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:01:48 -0700
From: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
To: Bob Hammond <propgrinder@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
Message-ID:
<CAK2MWOtYUrjq8yuo_YG7LCFODjYTa4p2OQLf8mWHvvemQj4itg@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Ask Frank Bauer.
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 9:56 AM Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> My confusion remains. In the candidate statement just sent by Robert
> McGwier, he says "AMSAT already has a damaged reputation with the
> separation of ARISS".
>
> I'd like clarification, please.
>
> Bob W7OTJ
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 9:02 AM <ka3hdo@?????.???> wrote:
>
> > Agree with all, this is NOT true.
> >
> > Please read the press release on the new ARISS-USA entity on the ARISS
> web
> > site www.ariss.org (4th article down). As Dave and others eloquently
> > state,
> > ARISS-USA has a good relationship with AMSAT. In fact, the AMSAT-NA
> > President, several AMSAT-NA senior officers and one of the AMSAT-NA BoD
> > members attended today's Lunar Gateway (AREx, or Amateur Radio
> Exploration)
> > meeting.
> >
> > I get this as a digest, so sorry about the delay.
> >
> > 73, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO
> > ARISS-USA Executive Director
> > AMSAT-NA V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dave Taylor <ariss.w8aas@?????.???>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:33 AM
> > To: Bob Hammond <propgrinder@?????.???>
> > Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
> >
> > That is not true. AMSAT remains a sponsoring partner of the
> international
> > ARISS working group.
> >
> > What you might have seen is the announcement that the team of ARISS
> > volunteers in the US has incorporated as a non-profit corporation
> > (ARISS-USA). This was done to allow ARISS to sign agreements (with NASA
> > and
> > others) and seek grants in the ARISS name. In the past, AMSAT has done
> > that
> > in the US on behalf of ARISS. The functional change is that ARISS is
> > assuming for itself some of the tasks that AMSAT has donated in the
> past.
> > Our working relationship is not changing.
> >
> > Dave Taylor, W8AAS
> > AMSAT-NA Delegte to ARISS-International
> >
> > > On Jul 16, 2020, at 10:12 AM, Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB
> > <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> > >
> > > Recently, there was mention of AMSAT no longer being welcome in the
> > > ISS program. Is that true? Or do I need more coffee this morning?
> > >
> > > Bob W7OTJ
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > > Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect
> the
> > official views of AMSAT-NA.
> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> > program!
> > > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> >
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:34:16 -0700
From: Fernando Ramirez <framirezferrer@?????.???>
To: ka3hdo@?????.???
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
Message-ID:
<CAGHXx8hD5p36r3vu9zdCw=8J+LLsxGvPK-akO5H324tBFS82sQ@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
So, who is going to appoint representatives to ARISS? ARISS-NA or AMSAT?
KF7R
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 9:12 AM Frank Bauer via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> Agree with all, this is NOT true.
>
> Please read the press release on the new ARISS-USA entity on the ARISS web
> site www.ariss.org (4th article down). As Dave and others eloquently
> state,
> ARISS-USA has a good relationship with AMSAT. In fact, the AMSAT-NA
> President, several AMSAT-NA senior officers and one of the AMSAT-NA BoD
> members attended today's Lunar Gateway (AREx, or Amateur Radio Exploration)
> meeting.
>
> I get this as a digest, so sorry about the delay.
>
> 73, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO
> ARISS-USA Executive Director
> AMSAT-NA V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Taylor <ariss.w8aas@?????.???>
> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:33 AM
> To: Bob Hammond <propgrinder@?????.???>
> Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
>
> That is not true. AMSAT remains a sponsoring partner of the international
> ARISS working group.
>
> What you might have seen is the announcement that the team of ARISS
> volunteers in the US has incorporated as a non-profit corporation
> (ARISS-USA). This was done to allow ARISS to sign agreements (with NASA
> and
> others) and seek grants in the ARISS name. In the past, AMSAT has done
> that
> in the US on behalf of ARISS. The functional change is that ARISS is
> assuming for itself some of the tasks that AMSAT has donated in the past.
> Our working relationship is not changing.
>
> Dave Taylor, W8AAS
> AMSAT-NA Delegte to ARISS-International
>
> > On Jul 16, 2020, at 10:12 AM, Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB
> <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> >
> > Recently, there was mention of AMSAT no longer being welcome in the
> > ISS program. Is that true? Or do I need more coffee this morning?
> >
> > Bob W7OTJ
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:41:07 -0700
From: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle@?????.???>
To: "Joseph B. Fitzgerald" <jfitzgerald@????.???.???>
Cc: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Slack vs. eMail -- The medium is the message
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It is not fair to say "you guys are AMSAT" (only guys?), when so many of us
for so long have proposed things to officers that are ignored or rejected
without cause.
Asking the customer to fix the problem means that current leadership
doesn't know what to do.
Some of us have been prevented from even having access to communications.
Patrick Stoddard and I were denied access to the BoD email archive for many
months.
With no board meetings, by definition there is no direction or oversight
for IT. It's run completely by officers without any input from anyone
elected by the membership.
Joe KM1P is a hero. He has served and produced excellent work, under trying
conditions, for a long time. He does this out of generosity and does this
with care.
So, yes, we should speak up for what we want and yes, "we are AMSAT".
Please speak up. But also vote for a functional board that will help
volunteers like Joe have an easier job, support what needs to be done to
modernize AMSAT-BB, and will have his back.
Volunteers like Joe will get that from Patrick and myself. We need more on
the board to make this happen.
Please consider voting for Bob McGwier, Howie DeFelice, and Jeff Johns.
Thank you,
-Michelle W5NYV
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 10:04 AM Joseph B. Fitzgerald via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> Ken, VA7KBM wrote:
> >... AMSAT should consider a more modern email list system.
>
> Presently the IT crew is working on migrating our servers off the existing
> Linux distribution which goes end-of-life in November to Ubuntu 20.04 LTS.
> This will result in a change to GNU Mailman 3.0 ... more modern but not
> exactly a quantum leap. Now would be a great time for a fleshed out
> proposal for something else since it would be hard on the users to switch
> again in another year or whatever. I have looked at groups.io a little
> bit in the past, and it seems to be run by "good guys". Don't wait for
> "AMSAT" to consider alternatives, you guys are AMSAT, so put together a
> good proposal and convince people.
>
> > ... It's generally not a good idea
> >for most small organizations to run their own email servers these days -
> >too much security and technical overhead, and who needs that?
>
> I surely don't need that and I am one of they guys that directly deals
> with that overhead. That being said, an issue that trips me up every time
> I look at having someone else run things is the e-mail alias service we
> provide to anyone with a callsign. We have somewhere around 16,000 users
> of that service and I know of no economically viable way to do that except
> on our own servers.
>
> de KM1P Joe
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