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Today's Topics:
1. Re: ISS and AMSAT? (Michelle Thompson)
2. Re: ISS and AMSAT? (Michelle Thompson)
3. Re: Slack vs. eMail -- The medium is the message
(Joseph B. Fitzgerald)
4. Re: ISS and AMSAT? (ka3hdo@?????.????
5. Re: Slack vs. eMail -- The medium is the message
(Michelle Thompson)
6. Re: ISS and AMSAT? (Fernando Ramirez)
7. Re: AmSat Ombudsman (Robert MacHale)
8. Lost IP (Jerry Buxton)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:50:34 -0700
From: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle@?????.???>
To: Bob Hammond <propgrinder@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
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I am the Director that was on the call.
Frank Bauer has been the only source of information, so far, on the
relationship between AMSAT and ARISS.
The information is positive and greatly appreciated.
AMSAT board of directors is waiting for a promised report from the AMSAT
President about the announcement from ARISS USA.
I'm confident that the path forward can be mutually beneficial and
cooperative.
This is why regular board meetings are a good thing.
If members want regular board meetings, where relationships with
truly wonderful organizations like ARISS USA are reinforced and supported,
please carefully consider who you are voting for in this election.
The incumbents completely shut down regular meetings of the board of
directors of AMSAT.
-Michelle W5NYV
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 10:01 AM Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> My confusion remains. In the candidate statement just sent by Robert
> McGwier, he says "AMSAT already has a damaged reputation with the
> separation of ARISS".
>
> I'd like clarification, please.
>
> Bob W7OTJ
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 9:02 AM <ka3hdo@?????.???> wrote:
>
> > Agree with all, this is NOT true.
> >
> > Please read the press release on the new ARISS-USA entity on the ARISS
> web
> > site www.ariss.org (4th article down). As Dave and others eloquently
> > state,
> > ARISS-USA has a good relationship with AMSAT. In fact, the AMSAT-NA
> > President, several AMSAT-NA senior officers and one of the AMSAT-NA BoD
> > members attended today's Lunar Gateway (AREx, or Amateur Radio
> Exploration)
> > meeting.
> >
> > I get this as a digest, so sorry about the delay.
> >
> > 73, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO
> > ARISS-USA Executive Director
> > AMSAT-NA V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dave Taylor <ariss.w8aas@?????.???>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:33 AM
> > To: Bob Hammond <propgrinder@?????.???>
> > Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
> >
> > That is not true. AMSAT remains a sponsoring partner of the
> international
> > ARISS working group.
> >
> > What you might have seen is the announcement that the team of ARISS
> > volunteers in the US has incorporated as a non-profit corporation
> > (ARISS-USA). This was done to allow ARISS to sign agreements (with NASA
> > and
> > others) and seek grants in the ARISS name. In the past, AMSAT has done
> > that
> > in the US on behalf of ARISS. The functional change is that ARISS is
> > assuming for itself some of the tasks that AMSAT has donated in the
> past.
> > Our working relationship is not changing.
> >
> > Dave Taylor, W8AAS
> > AMSAT-NA Delegte to ARISS-International
> >
> > > On Jul 16, 2020, at 10:12 AM, Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB
> > <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> > >
> > > Recently, there was mention of AMSAT no longer being welcome in the
> > > ISS program. Is that true? Or do I need more coffee this morning?
> > >
> > > Bob W7OTJ
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > > Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect
> the
> > official views of AMSAT-NA.
> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> > program!
> > > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> >
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:53:50 -0700
From: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle@?????.???>
To: Fernando Ramirez <framirezferrer@?????.???>
Cc: Frank Bauer <ka3hdo@?????.???>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
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I think of AMSAT and AMSAT-NA as the same thing. I think you might mean
ARISS USA.
Patrick Stoddard asked this question on the AMSAT board mailing list.
I have confidence that Frank and Clayton can figure this out and inform the
respective boards.
I would prefer that there was more alacrity here, and better communication,
but I assume they are doing their best.
-Michelle W5NYV
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 10:51 AM Fernando Ramirez via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> So, who is going to appoint representatives to ARISS? ARISS-NA or AMSAT?
>
> KF7R
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 9:12 AM Frank Bauer via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Agree with all, this is NOT true.
> >
> > Please read the press release on the new ARISS-USA entity on the ARISS
> web
> > site www.ariss.org (4th article down). As Dave and others eloquently
> > state,
> > ARISS-USA has a good relationship with AMSAT. In fact, the AMSAT-NA
> > President, several AMSAT-NA senior officers and one of the AMSAT-NA BoD
> > members attended today's Lunar Gateway (AREx, or Amateur Radio
> Exploration)
> > meeting.
> >
> > I get this as a digest, so sorry about the delay.
> >
> > 73, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO
> > ARISS-USA Executive Director
> > AMSAT-NA V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dave Taylor <ariss.w8aas@?????.???>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:33 AM
> > To: Bob Hammond <propgrinder@?????.???>
> > Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
> >
> > That is not true. AMSAT remains a sponsoring partner of the
> international
> > ARISS working group.
> >
> > What you might have seen is the announcement that the team of ARISS
> > volunteers in the US has incorporated as a non-profit corporation
> > (ARISS-USA). This was done to allow ARISS to sign agreements (with NASA
> > and
> > others) and seek grants in the ARISS name. In the past, AMSAT has done
> > that
> > in the US on behalf of ARISS. The functional change is that ARISS is
> > assuming for itself some of the tasks that AMSAT has donated in the
> past.
> > Our working relationship is not changing.
> >
> > Dave Taylor, W8AAS
> > AMSAT-NA Delegte to ARISS-International
> >
> > > On Jul 16, 2020, at 10:12 AM, Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB
> > <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> > >
> > > Recently, there was mention of AMSAT no longer being welcome in the
> > > ISS program. Is that true? Or do I need more coffee this morning?
> > >
> > > Bob W7OTJ
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > > Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect
> the
> > official views of AMSAT-NA.
> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> > program!
> > > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 17:55:49 +0000
From: "Joseph B. Fitzgerald" <jfitzgerald@????.???.???>
To: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle@?????.???>
Cc: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Slack vs. eMail -- The medium is the message
Message-ID:
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?>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Whoops ... you PEOPLE are AMSAT. Thanks for catching that Michelle, between
you and my 20 year old daughter I just might get my gender neutrality act
together one day.
de KM1P
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 13:57:22 -0400
From: <ka3hdo@?????.???>
To: "'Fernando Ramirez'" <framirezferrer@?????.???>
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
Message-ID: <008f01d65b9a$8f0f15b0$ad2d4110$@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
AMSAT-NA appoints their representative to the ARISS-International Working
Group.
There is no ARISS-NA. The entity is doing business as ARISS-USA.
73, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO
From: Fernando Ramirez <framirezferrer@?????.???>
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 1:34 PM
To: ka3hdo@?????.???
Cc: Dave Taylor <ariss.w8aas@?????.???>; Bob Hammond
<propgrinder@?????.???>; amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
So, who is going to appoint representatives to ARISS? ARISS-NA or AMSAT?
KF7R
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 9:12 AM Frank Bauer via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???
<mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???> > wrote:
Agree with all, this is NOT true.
Please read the press release on the new ARISS-USA entity on the ARISS web
site www.ariss.org <http://www.ariss.org> (4th article down). As Dave and
others eloquently state,
ARISS-USA has a good relationship with AMSAT. In fact, the AMSAT-NA
President, several AMSAT-NA senior officers and one of the AMSAT-NA BoD
members attended today's Lunar Gateway (AREx, or Amateur Radio Exploration)
meeting.
I get this as a digest, so sorry about the delay.
73, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO
ARISS-USA Executive Director
AMSAT-NA V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Taylor <ariss.w8aas@?????.??? <mailto:ariss.w8aas@?????.???> >
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:33 AM
To: Bob Hammond <propgrinder@?????.??? <mailto:propgrinder@?????.???> >
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
That is not true. AMSAT remains a sponsoring partner of the international
ARISS working group.
What you might have seen is the announcement that the team of ARISS
volunteers in the US has incorporated as a non-profit corporation
(ARISS-USA). This was done to allow ARISS to sign agreements (with NASA and
others) and seek grants in the ARISS name. In the past, AMSAT has done that
in the US on behalf of ARISS. The functional change is that ARISS is
assuming for itself some of the tasks that AMSAT has donated in the past.
Our working relationship is not changing.
Dave Taylor, W8AAS
AMSAT-NA Delegte to ARISS-International
> On Jul 16, 2020, at 10:12 AM, Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???> > wrote:
>
> Recently, there was mention of AMSAT no longer being welcome in the
> ISS program. Is that true? Or do I need more coffee this morning?
>
> Bob W7OTJ
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.??? <mailto:AMSAT-BB@?????.???> . AMSAT-NA makes
this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the
official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.??? <mailto:AMSAT-BB@?????.???> . AMSAT-NA makes
this open forum available
to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:57:53 -0700
From: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle@?????.???>
To: "Joseph B. Fitzgerald" <jfitzgerald@????.???.???>
Cc: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Slack vs. eMail -- The medium is the message
Message-ID:
<CACvjz2WZpojbApy_barLjvzEps8nr90sxE=3FX2VBXAXfMUpXg@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
We are all works in progress.
My 17 year old daughter keel hauls me all the time.
-Michelle W5NYV
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 10:55 AM Joseph B. Fitzgerald <
jfitzgerald@????.???.???> wrote:
> Whoops ... you PEOPLE are AMSAT. Thanks for catching that Michelle,
> between you and my 20 year old daughter I just might get my gender
> neutrality act together one day.
>
> de KM1P
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:58:52 -0700
From: Fernando Ramirez <framirezferrer@?????.???>
To: ka3hdo@?????.???
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
Message-ID:
<CAGHXx8jCSUq28NA9mJa-wyOxVFwPK++JRYy495DGh_-Ew1bLzw@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
My bad, I meant ARISS USA.
73
KF7R
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 10:57 AM <ka3hdo@?????.???> wrote:
> AMSAT-NA appoints their representative to the ARISS-International Working
> Group.
>
>
>
> There is no ARISS-NA. The entity is doing business as ARISS-USA.
>
>
>
> 73, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO
>
>
>
> *From:* Fernando Ramirez <framirezferrer@?????.???>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 16, 2020 1:34 PM
> *To:* ka3hdo@?????.???
> *Cc:* Dave Taylor <ariss.w8aas@?????.???>; Bob Hammond <
> propgrinder@?????.???>; amsat-bb@?????.???
> *Subject:* Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
>
>
>
> So, who is going to appoint representatives to ARISS? ARISS-NA or AMSAT?
>
>
>
> KF7R
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 9:12 AM Frank Bauer via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> wrote:
>
> Agree with all, this is NOT true.
>
> Please read the press release on the new ARISS-USA entity on the ARISS web
> site www.ariss.org (4th article down). As Dave and others eloquently
> state,
> ARISS-USA has a good relationship with AMSAT. In fact, the AMSAT-NA
> President, several AMSAT-NA senior officers and one of the AMSAT-NA BoD
> members attended today's Lunar Gateway (AREx, or Amateur Radio Exploration)
> meeting.
>
> I get this as a digest, so sorry about the delay.
>
> 73, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO
> ARISS-USA Executive Director
> AMSAT-NA V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Taylor <ariss.w8aas@?????.???>
> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:33 AM
> To: Bob Hammond <propgrinder@?????.???>
> Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
>
> That is not true. AMSAT remains a sponsoring partner of the international
> ARISS working group.
>
> What you might have seen is the announcement that the team of ARISS
> volunteers in the US has incorporated as a non-profit corporation
> (ARISS-USA). This was done to allow ARISS to sign agreements (with NASA
> and
> others) and seek grants in the ARISS name. In the past, AMSAT has done
> that
> in the US on behalf of ARISS. The functional change is that ARISS is
> assuming for itself some of the tasks that AMSAT has donated in the past.
> Our working relationship is not changing.
>
> Dave Taylor, W8AAS
> AMSAT-NA Delegte to ARISS-International
>
> > On Jul 16, 2020, at 10:12 AM, Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB
> <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> >
> > Recently, there was mention of AMSAT no longer being welcome in the
> > ISS program. Is that true? Or do I need more coffee this morning?
> >
> > Bob W7OTJ
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the
> official views of AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 17:58:04 +0000 (UTC)
From: Robert MacHale <robert.machale@?????.???>
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>, "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)"
<amsat-bb@??????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AmSat Ombudsman
Message-ID: <1432107848.2748657.1594922284328@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
I am sorry, forgive me, I was not listening closely to your first response.
You were in the middle of justifying my lifetime ban from ariss.net.
>>One of your APRS?gateways was rewriting packets received from the ISS
packet digipeater,
adding a tagline promoting the web site for your Space Communicator?
Club.
Yes, those packets were promoting my non-profit Satellite club for Boy
Scouts:?http://www.spaceCommunicator.club
Let's stop here. No need to lift a finger. Let's keep the ban - let the
legend grow.
My life is so vanilla bland. Last year I taught these classes after work:
1) University of California at Riverside - Software Engineering2) La Paz
Middle School after school science club - HAB with APRS Telemetry
And I presented Satellite APRS at 3 local radio clubs in Southern
California. This topic of being banned is a great source of self deprecating
humor garnishing unlimited laughs. It reminds us we are all human.
The longer I am banned - the longer I can tell the story. Win-Win.
But - thanks, based on your written response, for validating what was
previously unclear - you are the source of the fire - the source of the
problem.
Robert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio License.?http://www.aprsat.com/predict
.?http://www.spaceCommunicator.club?
. Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space Exploration
Silly Joke:?What did the little mountain say to the bigger mountain? Hi Cliff!
On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 09:17:17 AM PDT, Robert MacHale via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
Thanks for you response.
What I hear you saying is that you had no part in disparaging Gordo. And,
the assertions from Clint are not true. Is that what you are saying?
I reached out to Steve Demse about a year after the event. He seems to
believe I have earned a lifetime ban from his website. His initial comments
gave me the impression that the sky was falling if he did not respond to
your criticism of me and the iGate.
Let's itemize all the complaints:
1) Rogue Packets2) SpaceCommunicator.club tag3) Packet Counter tag
Which one of these complaints justifies a ban? Perhaps a temporary ban while
the issues are communicated. Perhaps even a warning.?
Keep in mind - you and I had not met - your eMail address was basically junk
mail to me. It was missed by me - my bad - until later review after the
fact. I did not notice them for weeks.
On the other hand Steve Demse and I had been in constant contact for weeks
on other topics during this season. Yet - he did not ever reach out to me
about these complaints. He claims he did - he did not - and I double
searched my Yahoo mail for any trace of eMail from him on this topic. He
claims it was sent (apparently to appease you) but it was not.
There are only 2 actors in this equation - that I am aware of - you and Steve.
There is really no reasonable explanation for a ban; much less a ban worthy
of a year. The site belongs to Steve and he has no oversight or appeal. He
can do whatever he wants.
If you are agreeable - perhaps you can reach out to Steve, as an AmSat
official, and suggest that a one year ban is more than sufficient - has
passed - and should be removed. That seems like a reasonable good faith
gesture.
As an AmSat official - consider the context - a new community member working
on an experiment - no mentoring available - no guidance available - just
criticism and banishment. There needs to be a better new member funnel that
makes people aware of the community entry points. Less isolation and more
community.
Can you explain the story behind Joe Spier, your complaint about someone,
your feelings that not enough was done. Did you push Joe out?
73
Robert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio License.?http://www.aprsat.com/predict
.?http://www.spaceCommunicator.club?
. Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space Exploration
Silly Joke:?What did the little mountain say to the bigger mountain? Hi Cliff!
? ? On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 08:06:50 AM PDT, Patrick STODDARD
(WD9EWK/VA7EWK) <amsat-bb@??????.???> wrote:?
Robert,
The first part of your e-mail appears to refer to an allegation Clint
Bradford K6LCS recently posted on this mailing list, and on other
mailing lists and forums. As I said on the QRZ satellite forum
yesterday, Clint's allegations about me and that web site are false.
In the few times I have publicly criticized Clint in recent years, I
did so with my name attached to what I posted, as I did on the eHam
satellite forum in 2016:
https://www.eham.net/community/smf/index.php?topic=108627.15
This exchange led to a letter sent by Clint to AMSAT and me, which
threatened AMSAT with legal action. I am not aware of AMSAT taking
actions in response to his letter, and - based on AMSAT's 2016 IRS tax
return - AMSAT did not spend any monies on legal expenses that year.
As for the other part of your e-mail, the "some reason" packets from
your APRS Internet gateway stations no longer appear on the ariss.net
web site, you and I had a conversation about that. One of your APRS
gateways was rewriting packets received from the ISS packet digipeater,
adding a tagline promoting the web site for your Space Communicator
Club. The packets containing that tagline were injected into the APRS
Internet System (APRS-IS), violating policies of that system. Those
packets also cluttered the listing of packets recently heard from the
ISS on the ariss.net web site. You told me at that time you were
testing a function on one of your gateways to put that tagline onto
packets, something that had been happening over the period of a few
days. This included the 20-minute period you mentioned, when one of
your gateways continued to send packets to the APRS-IS system after
the ISS had moved away from North America.
As you stated, I contacted Steve Dimse K4HG. Steve owns the ariss.net
and findu.com web sites, useful for displaying information on APRS
packets. I asked Steve about the packets from your gateway that were
showing up on his ariss.net web site. Steve reminded me of the APRS-IS
policies regarding packets being submitted to that system. Other than
appending the call sign of the gateway that received the packet to the
packet path, no other modifications are supposed to be made to packets
sent to the APRS-IS system. I mentioned that to you in a separate
e-mail, even citing the policies as published on the aprs-is.net web
site. I am aware that you and Steve also had an e-mail discussion about
this around the same time. ?
After those e-mail exchanges, I heard from you that packets from your
gateways would not appear on the ariss.net site. This appears to be an
issue between you and Steve, as Steve maintains the ariss.net web site.
I have no control over that, and - as far as I know - neither does
AMSAT. Have you reached out to Steve recently?
73.
Patrick Stoddard, WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @?????? or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 13:06:46 -0500
From: Jerry Buxton <n0jy@?????.???>
To: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Lost IP
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While the rash of accusations, misinformation, and spin that is the
hallmark of AMSAT election time the past two years carries on at a
dizzying pace, I feel the need to speak up as (to borrow on a famous
quote) "the reports of my complete stupidity are an exaggeration".
A? background as quoted from historical emails regarding one false claim
follows.? Names of non-AMSAT Engineering volunteers have been removed
and volunteer names are used only when needed for context.?
1/26/2016
> Not sure if I closed the loop at the end of last week or not. After
> talking with AHA (nice intro from [REDACTED]), and talking with
> Notorious [REDACTED], and the space team, everyone is excited about
> DVB-S2X for both Phase 4 and Ascent (and HEO).?
>
> AHA is going to come back with some sort of offer/deal/marketing magic
> in a couple-three weeks. This would be for the payloads. Ground team
> designs an open source receiver from the standard up.?
>
> I think if we?want to go for it, we should buy an implementation of
> DVB-S2X for ascent, use format 0 for the very low SNR stuff, and start
> designing!?
7/29/2016
> Attached is an archive with documents for the AHA DVB-S2X IP cores.
> Note that there is a folder titled ?Confidential ? Protected under
> NDA?. These documents should not be posted on a public forum (anyone
> can get to the github site right?) and should be distributed on an ?as
> needed? basis to those that understand / have been briefed on the
> conditions of the NDA.
8/12/2016
> M?????? ,
>
> Please review the AHA NDA, sign the affirmation, and return it to me.
>
> If there are others we need to include you may pass these along to them
> with the same instructions.? Please be sure that we have an affirmation
> signed by the others who will be attending the meeting at AHA, before
> they have access to the materials.
>
> I will talk to the Texas contingent after we determine whether we can
> have a webinar or not, they can't travel to the meetings in person due
> to the length of time involved.
>
> I will keep the documents secured on an AMSAT server and we can pull
> them out to distribute as we determine who needs to see them and have
> their affirmation.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Jerry Buxton, N?JY
> Vice President - Engineering
> Here you go! :+)
> [in response, with completed NDA attached]
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As stated, the documents are secured on an AMSAT server.? There are only
two NDA affirmations on file with the documents, on the server.
> \P4B\AHA NDA\Affirmations
> Buxton NDA Affirmation-signed.pdf
> T ? ? ?? NDA Affirmation Signed MDT.pdf
It should be noted that the same property mentioned in the 7/29/2016 was
sent to Virginia Tech partners in the same email as to AMSAT.? I do not
have any insight to their NDA (if any) with the owner of the IP.
With no other NDA affirmations on file to date much less those as
requested for the meeting or use of the property, it would appear that
neither the team that went to the meeting nor any other person in AMSAT
Engineering needed access to the IP?? Absent any acquisition of the
files from the server by someone who had signed the NDA affirmation for
distribution without my knowledge (affirmation is required in order for
me to provide them with the passwords for the archives) it would appear
that the need for the IP was not realized.? This may have been due to
the termination of the Heimdallr "CQC" project, or the departure of many
CQC ASCENT Engineers to ORI, or both.? And there may certainly have been
other reasons that our engineers chose not to pursue use of DVB-S2X for
a period of time.
The IP and NDA still exists and to the best of my understanding of it,
the agreement for use and non-disclosure is still effective.? There will
no doubt be opportunities for use in HEO as was first mentioned in the
negotiation and enthusiasm for use of the IP with P4B, CQC, and future
HEO, despite the termination of CQC and the hold (at least at this time)
on any VT need of help for P4B.
When AMSAT Engineers are working an idea as ASCENT or P4B, a design idea
as was GOLF, or a project as is GOLF now, if there is technology that is
shown to be useful with a proper need to justify the cost of the
technology and resulting implementation of new satellites, I have
historically supported the Engineering Team by doing what bosses do by
providing them with the tools they need to do great work.? The AHA is
such an example and shows the trust I have had with all of the engineers
under my supervision including those who I may not have or do not now,
necessarily agree with or see eye to eye.? To me it makes no sense to
derail AMSAT progress over personal feelings.? That's just the me that
was elected VPE.? Ask any engineer, and we may have disagreed or argued
over things along the way but we continue to work together and things
turn out happy for everyone.? It is unfortunate but part of life that
some just cannot put aside differences to reach that common goal.? In
the recent situation I believe it has something to do with the fact that
I am not considered of the caliber of the upper class who knows all
things about space and technology and it is probably easily shown that I
am in many regards, in their point of view, stupid.? I can take that,
but as I said these reports of my COMPLETE stupidity are an exaggeration.
I could research and respond to other statements that exaggerate my best
asset as well, honestly the time spent is better spent doing what we do
to keep satellites going up.? This email did not happen in two minutes,
it was in excess of two hours.? I think that is part of the election
time disruption plan, distracting everyone and causing extra work and
FUD, but despite the high noise floor your dedicated Engineering Team
volunteers haven't looked up from their work.? And I do not intend to
take any more of my AMSAT time to address any other concocted
statements, I say that with the hope and belief that you can all realize
that these statements only come from one source and no one, ever, has
asked the other party (i.e. me in this case) for their statement on the
subject before the stuff gets flung to the masses as truth.? Even a
rocket scientist would realize that you can't accomplish anything of
value working with only one half, one "all knowing" engineer's view, of
the needed information.? And that right there is all that need be said
regarding the source of the stuff flying my way.
As I said I hope that this gives you some thought to the truth of this
instance but I must raise one more important consideration before I
close; All or many of your fellow hams in AMSAT Engineering are
implicated by this and other not-true, broad claims - I will not
tolerate that and I think it is fair to ask that you do not engage in or
tolerate that either.? Thank you.
--
Jerry Buxton, N?JY
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