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Today's Topics:
1. Re: ISS and AMSAT? (Bruce Perens)
2. August 1 Moratorium on BOD Election Messaging? (Wes Baden)
3. What is the function of a Board of Directors? (Peter)
4. Re: Lost IP (Bruce Perens)
5. Re: Lost IP (Michelle Thompson)
6. Re: Slack vs. eMail -- The medium is the message (Robert Bankston)
7. Re: ISS and AMSAT? (ka3hdo@?????.????
8. Re: ISS and AMSAT? (Bruce Perens)
9. Re: ISS and AMSAT? (Dave Taylor)
10. Re: ISS and AMSAT? (Bruce Perens)
11. Re: Slack vs. eMail -- The medium is the message
(Michelle Thompson)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 11:09:12 -0700
From: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
To: Fernando Ramirez <framirezferrer@?????.???>
Cc: ka3hdo@?????.???? AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
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Until I am told otherwise, I am going to assume that in addition to the
Phase 4 project having walked off of AMSAT and formed ORI, ARISS has now
walked off and is also functioning as an independent entity.
Bob MgGwier N4HY is someone we can trust, and an eminent space scientist of
long duration and impeccable credentials, but I would much rather hear
first-hand from Frank Bauer. I don't know him.
ORI now has a lot more missions than just Phase 4. It would be nice for all
of these former-AMSAT-projects to return to AMSAT.
Thanks
Bruce
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 14:45:09 -0400
From: Wes Baden <badencapecod@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] August 1 Moratorium on BOD Election Messaging?
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I've now received my 2020 Election Ballot for electing three individuals to
the AMSAT BOD. This prompts me to ask--or at least to propose--that a
moratorium be placed on this BB for any and all messaging concerning the
election, effective August 1. This would include messages from the
candidates themselves or anyone submitting posts for or against them. In
my opinion at least, there's been a sufficient airing of views as it is and
two more weeks provide enough time for any member who's received a ballot
but (mercifully) has not seen all the messaging that's appeared in the last
month or so. The candidates' written statements, along with election posts
here for two more weeks, are enough. Indeed, enough is enough. I long for
a return to posts relating to matters such as antennas, software
installation, new satellites in orbit, upcoming rovers, helpful advice for
newbies, and geeky, technical information for old hands, just to name a few
subjects. Is there a site administrator who can implement this?
73 de Wes NA1ME FN54 (always happy to sked if you need this Maine grid).
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 19:12:24 +0000 (UTC)
From: Peter <pgprendergast@?????.???>
To: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] What is the function of a Board of Directors?
Message-ID: <232754861.2798082.1594926744364@????.?????.???>
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I've noted some peculiar posts regarding the responsibilities of a Board of
Directors lately.
I've been on many boards in my career most of very large organizations and
have not seen beforeverbiage as posted here.
A board of directors is responsible for setting the mission, vision and
values of an organization.The board approves a budget set by senior
leadersThe board sets the vision for the next year or multiple years and the
priorities of the organization.The board holds senior leadership accountable
for executing all of the above.
What a board does NOT do is engage in operational activity of ANY kind.?
That sort of behavioris incredibly disruptive and damaging to the senior
leaders responsible for execution of all the above.
When you vote, consider these foundational principles.? Choose candidates
not based on theirtechnical backgrounds as that talent isn't necessarily
helpful at the board level, but instead ona candidate who can inspire,
collaborate and can serve as a leader, not necessarily an operationalexpert.??
In fact, candidates who promote technical expertise may find it irresistible
to intervene in day to dayoperations causing confusion among the senior
leadership.
Their are clearly some very talented candidates with significant technical
expertise.? These individualsare a treasure to the organization and must
have their energies nurtured in a way to productively movethe organization
forward.
I hope you all will ponder this as you prepare to vote.
PeterW2PP
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 12:28:49 -0700
From: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
To: Jerry Buxton <n0jy@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Lost IP
Message-ID:
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Sigh. I suspect this arose from improper intellectual property policy. This
work was intended to be added to an Open Source project, and and NDA was
not appropriate for it.
Adding to all of this is the fact that AHA is difficult to deal with
regarding intellectual property because, in my experience, they simply
don't understand it. I have gotten purported legal agreements from AHA that
were written by a salesperson rather than an attorney - and that is working
for a public company customer where the risk is much higher. And they are
known to have entirely lost the recipe for a product. I doubt the situation
is salvageable. A student's summer work got wasted and that is who is owed
an apology.
Thanks
Bruce
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 12:32:26 -0700
From: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle@?????.???>
To: Jerry Buxton <n0jy@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Lost IP
Message-ID:
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Why are you posting communications under NDA to a public list?
It's really not under dispute. The donated IP cores were lost and
the signed NDA was lost.
Now you post this in anger. I don't think that was wise.
If we had AMSAT board meetings, this sort of thing would have come up over
the past year in a more appropriate forum.
-Michelle W5NYV
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 12:21 PM Jerry Buxton via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> While the rash of accusations, misinformation, and spin that is the
> hallmark of AMSAT election time the past two years carries on at a
> dizzying pace, I feel the need to speak up as (to borrow on a famous
> quote) "the reports of my complete stupidity are an exaggeration".
>
> A background as quoted from historical emails regarding one false claim
> follows. Names of non-AMSAT Engineering volunteers have been removed
> and volunteer names are used only when needed for context.
>
> 1/26/2016
> > Not sure if I closed the loop at the end of last week or not. After
> > talking with AHA (nice intro from [REDACTED]), and talking with
> > Notorious [REDACTED], and the space team, everyone is excited about
> > DVB-S2X for both Phase 4 and Ascent (and HEO).
> >
> > AHA is going to come back with some sort of offer/deal/marketing magic
> > in a couple-three weeks. This would be for the payloads. Ground team
> > designs an open source receiver from the standard up.
> >
> > I think if we want to go for it, we should buy an implementation of
> > DVB-S2X for ascent, use format 0 for the very low SNR stuff, and start
> > designing!
>
> 7/29/2016
> > Attached is an archive with documents for the AHA DVB-S2X IP cores.
> > Note that there is a folder titled ?Confidential ? Protected under
> > NDA?. These documents should not be posted on a public forum (anyone
> > can get to the github site right?) and should be distributed on an ?as
> > needed? basis to those that understand / have been briefed on the
> > conditions of the NDA.
>
> 8/12/2016
> > M ,
> >
> > Please review the AHA NDA, sign the affirmation, and return it to me.
> >
> > If there are others we need to include you may pass these along to them
> > with the same instructions. Please be sure that we have an affirmation
> > signed by the others who will be attending the meeting at AHA, before
> > they have access to the materials.
> >
> > I will talk to the Texas contingent after we determine whether we can
> > have a webinar or not, they can't travel to the meetings in person due
> > to the length of time involved.
> >
> > I will keep the documents secured on an AMSAT server and we can pull
> > them out to distribute as we determine who needs to see them and have
> > their affirmation.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > --
> > Jerry Buxton, N?JY
> > Vice President - Engineering
>
> > Here you go! :+)
> > [in response, with completed NDA attached]
>
> -------------------
> As stated, the documents are secured on an AMSAT server. There are only
> two NDA affirmations on file with the documents, on the server.
>
> > \P4B\AHA NDA\Affirmations
> > Buxton NDA Affirmation-signed.pdf
> > T NDA Affirmation Signed MDT.pdf
>
> It should be noted that the same property mentioned in the 7/29/2016 was
> sent to Virginia Tech partners in the same email as to AMSAT. I do not
> have any insight to their NDA (if any) with the owner of the IP.
>
> With no other NDA affirmations on file to date much less those as
> requested for the meeting or use of the property, it would appear that
> neither the team that went to the meeting nor any other person in AMSAT
> Engineering needed access to the IP? Absent any acquisition of the
> files from the server by someone who had signed the NDA affirmation for
> distribution without my knowledge (affirmation is required in order for
> me to provide them with the passwords for the archives) it would appear
> that the need for the IP was not realized. This may have been due to
> the termination of the Heimdallr "CQC" project, or the departure of many
> CQC ASCENT Engineers to ORI, or both. And there may certainly have been
> other reasons that our engineers chose not to pursue use of DVB-S2X for
> a period of time.
>
> The IP and NDA still exists and to the best of my understanding of it,
> the agreement for use and non-disclosure is still effective. There will
> no doubt be opportunities for use in HEO as was first mentioned in the
> negotiation and enthusiasm for use of the IP with P4B, CQC, and future
> HEO, despite the termination of CQC and the hold (at least at this time)
> on any VT need of help for P4B.
>
> When AMSAT Engineers are working an idea as ASCENT or P4B, a design idea
> as was GOLF, or a project as is GOLF now, if there is technology that is
> shown to be useful with a proper need to justify the cost of the
> technology and resulting implementation of new satellites, I have
> historically supported the Engineering Team by doing what bosses do by
> providing them with the tools they need to do great work. The AHA is
> such an example and shows the trust I have had with all of the engineers
> under my supervision including those who I may not have or do not now,
> necessarily agree with or see eye to eye. To me it makes no sense to
> derail AMSAT progress over personal feelings. That's just the me that
> was elected VPE. Ask any engineer, and we may have disagreed or argued
> over things along the way but we continue to work together and things
> turn out happy for everyone. It is unfortunate but part of life that
> some just cannot put aside differences to reach that common goal. In
> the recent situation I believe it has something to do with the fact that
> I am not considered of the caliber of the upper class who knows all
> things about space and technology and it is probably easily shown that I
> am in many regards, in their point of view, stupid. I can take that,
> but as I said these reports of my COMPLETE stupidity are an exaggeration.
>
> I could research and respond to other statements that exaggerate my best
> asset as well, honestly the time spent is better spent doing what we do
> to keep satellites going up. This email did not happen in two minutes,
> it was in excess of two hours. I think that is part of the election
> time disruption plan, distracting everyone and causing extra work and
> FUD, but despite the high noise floor your dedicated Engineering Team
> volunteers haven't looked up from their work. And I do not intend to
> take any more of my AMSAT time to address any other concocted
> statements, I say that with the hope and belief that you can all realize
> that these statements only come from one source and no one, ever, has
> asked the other party (i.e. me in this case) for their statement on the
> subject before the stuff gets flung to the masses as truth. Even a
> rocket scientist would realize that you can't accomplish anything of
> value working with only one half, one "all knowing" engineer's view, of
> the needed information. And that right there is all that need be said
> regarding the source of the stuff flying my way.
>
> As I said I hope that this gives you some thought to the truth of this
> instance but I must raise one more important consideration before I
> close; All or many of your fellow hams in AMSAT Engineering are
> implicated by this and other not-true, broad claims - I will not
> tolerate that and I think it is fair to ask that you do not engage in or
> tolerate that either. Thank you.
>
> --
> Jerry Buxton, N?JY
>
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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>
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 19:39:30 +0000 (UTC)
From: Robert Bankston <ke4al@?????.???>
To: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Slack vs. eMail -- The medium is the message
Message-ID: <1626618660.2822943.1594928370156@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Wow,? I can't believe you hijacked this thread to continue to spread
misinformation and play the victim card.
??
No one in AMSAT is stopping you from having Board Meetings, other than
yourselves.
??
Part of being a leader is to build consensus and motivate those you work
with or under you.? When differing positions are present, you work towards a
compromised solution to allow the organization to move forward and grow.
??
Did either you or Patrick reach across the aisle and ask one of the other 5
Directors to join you in a call for a meeting?? As you said, you needed 3
Directors to call a meeting.? You already had 2. I really find it hard that
no one would join you, especiall when at least two of the votes you
disclosed were split 4-3.
??
Does the meeting have to be conducted by teleconference?? The Board has a
mailing list, so a meeting could be conducted via email.? That same mailing
list could be used to discuss issues and develop a plan of action that could
then be acted upon.
??
Does the Board have to hold a monthly meeting?? If not, how often?? I notice
that ORI, per their website, conducted 3 meetings in 2018 and only one in
2019.? Is their work that much less important than AMSAT that the Board
needs to meet so infrequently?
??
On that same website,
https://openresearch.institute/executive-board-meeting-minutes/? I see that
ORI conducts its board meetings via email.? Would that not answer the
question above.
??
AMSAT Directors are elected by the members, and the Directors elect the
Officers (thank you for your vote, by the way).? You also have the right as
a Director to call for the dismissal of an officer when they do not perform
to standard. To my knowledge you and Patrick have made not such call, yet
you continually continue to berate AMSAT Officers and fellow Directors in
public and in private.
??
Let's be honest. The only way you can get what you want is to take control
of AMSAT.? That's not leadership.
Enough of the political spin and outright lies.? Let us do our job and you
and Patrick do your.
Robert, KE4AL
On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 12:51:54 PM CDT, Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
It is not fair to say "you guys are AMSAT" (only guys?), when so many of us
for so long have proposed things to officers that are ignored or rejected
without cause.
Asking the customer to fix the problem means that current leadership
doesn't know what to do.
Some of us have been prevented from even having access to communications.
Patrick Stoddard and I were denied access to the BoD email archive for many
months.
With no board meetings, by definition there is no direction or oversight
for IT. It's run completely by officers without any input from anyone
elected by the membership.
Joe KM1P is a hero. He has served and produced excellent work, under trying
conditions, for a long time. He does this out of generosity and does this
with care.
So, yes, we should speak up for what we want and yes, "we are AMSAT".
Please speak up. But also vote for a functional board that will help
volunteers like Joe have an easier job, support what needs to be done to
modernize AMSAT-BB, and will have his back.
Volunteers like Joe will get that from Patrick and myself. We need more on
the board to make this happen.
Please consider voting for Bob McGwier, Howie DeFelice, and Jeff Johns.
Thank you,
-Michelle W5NYV
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 15:55:41 -0400
From: <ka3hdo@?????.???>
To: "'Bruce Perens'" <bruce@??????.???>, "'Fernando Ramirez'"
<framirezferrer@?????.???>
Cc: 'AMSAT BB' <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
Message-ID: <000201d65bab$15db7f10$41927d30$@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
I think the words ?walked off? is harsh and not true. So please refrain
from using that language regarding any discussion about the relationship
between ARISS-USA and AMSAT-NA.
Several of you have requested more details on the recent entity birth of
ARISS-USA, I suggest you read the press release on ariss.org. From an
historic perspective here are a few more details:
ARISS has grown and matured. When we started this program 24 years ago,
ARISS was a working group and most of our efforts were funded by NASA.
Funding support changed subtlety in 2006 and abruptly in 2014. From 2014 on,
ARISS had to garner all funding necessary to keep the program alive and
sustained. As many know, critical in program sustainment is setting up
agreements and garnering sponsors for the program. Today, ARISS has a much
bigger portfolio on ISS (thanks to the steadfast support of AMSAT-NA). We
now have new, emerging radio systems on ISS (which the ham community will
benefit from soon). And the evolution of the next-gen radio system will
provide more impactful education. In addition to this, the landscape on ISS
is expanding rapidly with commercial crew astronauts now on-board, tourists
on-board ISS in the future and commercial modules to support these tourist
astronauts as housing, enabling them to perform research, enjoying Earth
views, and, hopefully, using an on-b
oard ham radio system. In addition, as the space agencies are expanding
into deep space, to the moon, we leading the ham radio efforts on the Lunar
Gateway. All these current and future initiatives need myriad of
agreements, etc. This, coupled with the fact that we kept getting questions
from our sponsors asking why we had not become our own separate entity, we
started the discussions to become an entity in February 2019 finalized this
as an entity in late May. I hope this historic perspective helps all
understand why we transformed ARISS-USA into an entity.
As the Executive Director for ARISS-USA, I want to say emphatically, in all
the endeavors described above, ARISS-USA wants to continue its long-term,
outstanding relationship with AMSAT-NA.
Ad astra!
73, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO
ARISS-USA Executive Director
AMSAT V.P. for Human Spaceflight Operations
From: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 2:09 PM
To: Fernando Ramirez <framirezferrer@?????.???>
Cc: ka3hdo@?????.???? AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
Until I am told otherwise, I am going to assume that in addition to the
Phase 4 project having walked off of AMSAT and formed ORI, ARISS has now
walked off and is also functioning as an independent entity.
Bob MgGwier N4HY is someone we can trust, and an eminent space scientist of
long duration and impeccable credentials, but I would much rather hear
first-hand from Frank Bauer. I don't know him.
ORI now has a lot more missions than just Phase 4. It would be nice for all
of these former-AMSAT-projects to return to AMSAT.
Thanks
Bruce
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 13:15:23 -0700
From: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
To: ka3hdo@?????.???
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
Message-ID:
<CAK2MWOsLnWceFCDpwe1eSSjVbd_MO6CXNWBGLnM-FSDpU3qFEA@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Thank you, Frank. I will do as you say.
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 16:49:36 -0400
From: Dave Taylor <ariss.w8aas@?????.???>
To: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
Cc: Frank Bauer <ka3hdo@?????.???>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
Message-ID: <D0844F15-392A-4B67-B21D-680DF7D9C07A@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Assume what you like, Bruce. But for clarification of Bob McGwier?s
statement about AMSAT?s reputation, you?ll have to ask Bob what he meant.
Neither Frank nor anyone else can speak for him.
As for ARISS, the international working group is and always has been an
independent activity, co-sponsored by AMSAT, ARRL, and many other ham
organizations around the world. The ARISS volunteer team in the US has not
walked away from anyone, merely formed a legal entity to allow actions it
could not undertake otherwise.
Dave, W8AAS
> On Jul 16, 2020, at 2:09 PM, Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> Until I am told otherwise, I am going to assume that in addition to the
> Phase 4 project having walked off of AMSAT and formed ORI, ARISS has now
> walked off and is also functioning as an independent entity.
>
> Bob MgGwier N4HY is someone we can trust, and an eminent space scientist of
> long duration and impeccable credentials, but I would much rather hear
> first-hand from Frank Bauer. I don't know him.
>
> ORI now has a lot more missions than just Phase 4. It would be nice for all
> of these former-AMSAT-projects to return to AMSAT.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bruce
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 13:52:28 -0700
From: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
To: Dave Taylor <ariss.w8aas@?????.???>
Cc: Frank Bauer <ka3hdo@?????.???>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
Message-ID:
<CAK2MWOsd3n8=k1pYngQy0kigzFtv8QNJxs3MxXwmPBTWKXE4ow@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Dave,
It is very easy to get out of sync on emails. Frank has already corrected
my assumptions and I have agreed to state the situation as he desires.
Let's all have a nice day now, please.
Thanks
Bruce
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 13:53:59 -0700
From: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle@?????.???>
To: Robert Bankston <ke4al@?????.???>, Robert Bankston
<ke4al@?????.???>
Cc: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Slack vs. eMail -- The medium is the message
Message-ID:
<CACvjz2WPugdyQzqN2aOm3Yw3tpLeXgYGLsjF6h1UgnLVdtX-Pg@????.?????.???>
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That is incorrect.
Ignored email is simply not a substitute for a board meeting.
Board meetings must either be called by three board members, or called by
the President. Two of us have patiently repeated the call for regular
meetings. These requests have been ignored.
Neither of the two Presidents we've had this year have called regular board
meetings. Clayton called one in March, and like I said, it went well, and
was supposed to be the start of a regular schedule. Nothing heard since
then, which is a disappointment.
This problem started in September 2019. I think Patrick and I have been
very, very patient with this.
At the 2019 annual meeting, Joe Spier, Mark Hammond, and Jerry Buxton spun
quite the tale of how AMSAT board meetings were unproductive, unnecessary.
Silly even. Everyone went along with this except Patrick and myself.
Not having meetings is bad corporate practice. Others have pointed this
out. There is no good reason not to have them. We'd be in such better shape
with regular meetings and good decisions.
It isn't too much to ask of the membership to please consider replacing
people that block board meetings and refuse to meet, either because they
are not capable of coming up with efficient agendas, or because they don't
want to hear from anyone outside of their clique.
-Michelle W5NYV
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 1:39 PM Robert Bankston via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Wow, I can't believe you hijacked this thread to continue to spread
> misinformation and play the victim card.
>
> No one in AMSAT is stopping you from having Board Meetings, other than
> yourselves.
>
> Part of being a leader is to build consensus and motivate those you work
> with or under you. When differing positions are present, you work towards
> a compromised solution to allow the organization to move forward and grow.
>
> Did either you or Patrick reach across the aisle and ask one of the other
> 5 Directors to join you in a call for a meeting? As you said, you needed 3
> Directors to call a meeting. You already had 2. I really find it hard that
> no one would join you, especiall when at least two of the votes you
> disclosed were split 4-3.
>
> Does the meeting have to be conducted by teleconference? The Board has a
> mailing list, so a meeting could be conducted via email. That same mailing
> list could be used to discuss issues and develop a plan of action that
> could then be acted upon.
>
> Does the Board have to hold a monthly meeting? If not, how often? I
> notice that ORI, per their website, conducted 3 meetings in 2018 and only
> one in 2019. Is their work that much less important than AMSAT that the
> Board needs to meet so infrequently?
>
> On that same website,
> https://openresearch.institute/executive-board-meeting-minutes/ I see
> that ORI conducts its board meetings via email. Would that not answer the
> question above.
>
> AMSAT Directors are elected by the members, and the Directors elect the
> Officers (thank you for your vote, by the way). You also have the right as
> a Director to call for the dismissal of an officer when they do not perform
> to standard. To my knowledge you and Patrick have made not such call, yet
> you continually continue to berate AMSAT Officers and fellow Directors in
> public and in private.
>
> Let's be honest. The only way you can get what you want is to take control
> of AMSAT. That's not leadership.
>
> Enough of the political spin and outright lies. Let us do our job and you
> and Patrick do your.
>
> Robert, KE4AL
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 12:51:54 PM CDT, Michelle Thompson via
> AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
>
> It is not fair to say "you guys are AMSAT" (only guys?), when so many of us
> for so long have proposed things to officers that are ignored or rejected
> without cause.
>
> Asking the customer to fix the problem means that current leadership
> doesn't know what to do.
>
> Some of us have been prevented from even having access to communications.
>
> Patrick Stoddard and I were denied access to the BoD email archive for many
> months.
>
> With no board meetings, by definition there is no direction or oversight
> for IT. It's run completely by officers without any input from anyone
> elected by the membership.
>
> Joe KM1P is a hero. He has served and produced excellent work, under trying
> conditions, for a long time. He does this out of generosity and does this
> with care.
>
> So, yes, we should speak up for what we want and yes, "we are AMSAT".
>
> Please speak up. But also vote for a functional board that will help
> volunteers like Joe have an easier job, support what needs to be done to
> modernize AMSAT-BB, and will have his back.
>
> Volunteers like Joe will get that from Patrick and myself. We need more on
> the board to make this happen.
>
> Please consider voting for Bob McGwier, Howie DeFelice, and Jeff Johns.
>
> Thank you,
>
> -Michelle W5NYV
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