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Today's Topics:
1. New satellite operator - M7OJA (Roy Dean)
2. What? (Clint Bradford)
3. Candidate Statement - Paul Stoetzer, N8HM (Paul Stoetzer)
4. Re: Candidte WE4B Inquiry (Clint Bradford)
5. WE4B - A Question (Clint Bradford)
6. Moderation and personal attacks (Michael Tondee)
7. Re: RS-44 Transponder Turned off 09:35z (Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL))
8. Re: Moderation and personal attacks (Ev Tupis)
9. Re: Mount Carmel HS ARC marine buoy deployed and transmitting
(Phil Karn)
10. Re: Moderation and personal attacks (Fernando Ramirez)
11. Re: Moderation and personal attacks (Fernando Ramirez)
12. NASA and Open Source (Bruce Perens)
13. Re: Moderation and personal attacks (Ev Tupis)
14. Re: Moderation and personal attacks (Bruce Perens)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 09:52:22 -0400
From: Roy Dean <royldean@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] New satellite operator - M7OJA
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>
> I would like to try to maximise the time I have to use the satellite. My
> handheld radio (Anytone 868) doesn't have an auto doppler shift, so I am
> wondering how to calculate the doppler frequencies? For example, on this
> link https://amsat-uk.org/beginners/how-to-work-fm-satellites/, all of the
> frequencies are listed to be programmed into a handheld (accounting for
> doppler shift). I would like a similar list of frequencies for the Fox-1D
> (or know how to calculate them). Many Thanks, Oscar M7OJA (IO94HT)
Hi Oscar (very appropriate name for this list!),
If you have a computer or smart phone accessible during the pass, I suggest
opening up the following webpage:
http://www.amsat.org.ar/pass.htm
Set your grid square at the bottom and hit "Resolve and Set New". Double
check that the little house on the map is on your location. If that is
correct, simply click on the satellite in the list and the upper right will
change to a display that shows the elevation, azimuth, and current
uplink/downlink at your location. Then it's simply up to you to change
your uplink and downlink VFO to the closest match of the displayed correct
doppler frequency.
--Roy
K3RLD
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:05:06 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@???.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] What?
Message-ID: <C848344B-6AA6-4A14-8665-B1CD82BE4A44@???.???>
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What? I have NEVER charged to put on a presentation.
Well. I take that back: I ask for an endless cup of coffee sometimes.
Whomever told you that is clueless - watch out for any ?facts? you receive
from them in the future.
Clint Bradford K6LCS
PS When I performed at Pacifico?s two years in a row (so many in attendance
they asked me to perform TWICE the second year, THEY offered a hotel room
and has money.
>> Clint. I understand that you charge for your presentations thus I would
venture to say you financially benefit for your ?association ? with AMSAT.
Is that correct
73
Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 10:11:02 -0400
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Candidate Statement - Paul Stoetzer, N8HM
Message-ID:
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Thank you to all the members that nominated me for the AMSAT Board of
Directors. For those of you who don't know me, my name is Paul
Stoetzer, N8HM. An AMSAT Life Member, I served as AMSAT?s Secretary
from 2015-2017 and as Executive Vice President since 2017.
There have been suggestions made that AMSAT is "stagnant," "in
hibernation," or "sitting on our thumbs." Nothing could be further
from the truth. By any objective measurement, the past five years have
been incredibly successful for AMSAT. Membership and satellite
activity has grown. We have launched four satellites and placed a
transponder on a fifth. One satellite (RadFxSat-2 / Fox-1E) is
completed and awaiting launch no earlier than the third quarter of
this year, and we have launch opportunities for the first two
satellites of our GOLF series. Additionally, we completed the
Multi-Voltage Power Supply for ARISS, have engaged in more
partnerships to fly our linear transponder module, and begun work on
the Amateur Radio EXploration (AREx) program to place an amateur
communications system on the Lunar Gateway. The work done by our
engineering team leads us well-poised for the future. I believe that
within the next few years, we will be in a position to place a CubeSat
in HEO and provide the worldwide amateur community with a resource
they have not enjoyed since AO-40. This will not be an easy task. It
is critical that the engineering team continues their work on the GOLF
project perfecting the systems that will enable us to operate a
CubeSat in a HEO environment. The first GOLF satellite, GOLF-TEE, will
serve as a testbed for these technologies in LEO. Data gained from
that mission will further inform our engineering team's efforts. While
our engineering team continues their hard work building the
satellites, the rest of the leadership team must work equally as hard
fundraising for a HEO launch opportunity. It will not be an easy task,
but I know we can do it. Please vote for me, Mark, N8MH, and Bruce,
KK5DO. Together we will return amateur radio to HEO.
I encourage you to read my candidate statement at
https://www.upwardtoheo.com/biographies/paul-stoetzer-n8hm
I've also written some more information about why I'm running for the Board at
https://www.upwardtoheo.com/updates/why-im-running-n8hm
Former AMSAT President Barry Baines, WD4ASW, explains why Mark, N8MH,
Bruce, KK5DO, and I are the best choices in this election at
https://www.upwardtoheo.com/updates/former-amsat-president-barry-baines-wd4asw
-endorses-n8hm-n8mh-and-kk5do
73,
Paul, N8HM
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:13:20 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@???.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Candidte WE4B Inquiry
Message-ID: <D65B49F4-41B9-4ED3-B865-91CAACDC7270@???.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> On Jul 17, 2020, at 6:15 AM, Rick Wyrwas <rwyrwas48@?????.???> wrote:
>
> No I know you do things for AMSAT but my question to you Sir is it just to
benefit you financially
> 73 Rick WA9JBQ
Fifty dollars.
And a few coffee mugs. One Fisher Space pen, engraved. Two books donated to
a local library,
in which I inscribed the bookplate.
I gave away a Kenwood TH-D72a, software, Arrow Antenna, and RT Systems?
software to one club.
The $50 was totally unexpected and NOT solicited. While packing up my car
after a presentation,
the club prez handed my wife that check for $50. I was flabbergasted. Never
asked for
What is your problem?
Whomever you re getting your information from is, well to put it mildly - a
misrepresenter of the truth.
Clint Bradford K6LCS
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:16:42 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@???.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] WE4B - A Question
Message-ID: <DA1DBF26-071E-4BCA-AC25-7B7AB85BF7CA@???.???>
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Since the original question has been hijacked and might be un-seen by its
intended recipient, I again ask:
Candidate WE4B - please list for us the projects you have volunteered for
for AMSAT-NA. Specifically for AMSAT-NA - and not just general satellite
contacts. Say, for the past 10 years.
Many thanks.
Clint Bradford K6LCS
Please respect the original title of the thread. Got a problem with me?
Please initiate a new
thread, send me email, or call me at 909-999-SATS. Please act decently.
Clint Bradford K6LCS
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 11:17:10 -0400
From: Michael Tondee <mat_62@???????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] Moderation and personal attacks
Message-ID: <e9b7518d-f7b1-a939-5877-ea83c5975ed2@???????.???>
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I have been informed I'm on moderated status for a "personal attack" so
it will be interesting to see if this gets through. I feel I just spoke
the known truth but the moderator disagrees so I will play by his rules.
At any rate, this bb has been full of "personal attacks" lately both
outright and veiled and unfortunately I see it continues with sniping
and snide remarks. It's already established that I'm not currently a
member of AMSAT and have my reasons why, but I would like to be a member
again if I see positive change.? You can freely disregard my opinion if
you like but I implore all of you to cast your votes wisely and not be
influenced by the decidedly personal vendettas of a few here. AMSAT is
stagnant and needs fresh direction. Many are? like me "on the outside
looking in" and very interested to see where you choose to take the
future of this organization. Thanks for your time.
73,
Michael, W4HIJ
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 18:17:01 +0100
From: "Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL)" <peter@????????.??.??>
To: Amsat <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] RS-44 Transponder Turned off 09:35z
Message-ID:
<CAFvUaioR1bx49FMDhZZb+xC6CmJMww3-XDpqCWhf0X+W72xXAA@????.?????.???>
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back to normal at 17:10z thanks K0JM & VA3NNA for the nice QSOs
Peter, 2M0SQL
On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 at 10:43, Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL) <peter@??????.???>
wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've just been using RS-44 was fine as it passed over North America,
> Canada, however, once it went over Russia at around 09:35z the RS-44
> transponder turned off.
>
> I hope it will be back!
>
> Peter, 2M0SQL
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 17:18:23 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ev Tupis <w2ev@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Moderation and personal attacks
Message-ID: <392857699.2309901.1595006303152@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Bravo!? To the moderators.
Ev, W2EV
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 10:38:58 -0700
From: Phil Karn <karn@????.???>
To: Chris Thompson <g0kla@????.???>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Mount Carmel HS ARC marine buoy deployed and
transmitting
Message-ID: <b8cb72c7-224f-d021-e025-afc92c7803fc@????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
On 7/17/20 6:47 AM, Chris Thompson wrote:
> Very cool, thanks for posting the details.? Sounds like a great
> project.? Is it relaying any telemetry such as water temperature?? Or
> just position, which is interesting for sure.
It's sending temperature and battery voltage, though the encoding is
coarse. Reported temp is 20C, but it's in 5C steps and maxes at 25C; the
tracker was designed for balloons after all. Reported battery voltage is
4.6 (nominal 4.5); I don't recall the resolution but it's probably 0.1V.
I still haven't heard it myself, though I haven't been listening
continuously. All the WSPR signals I'm getting on 20 m are > 1000 km
away, so I'm probably in the skip zone. Or my G5RV is just too crappy an
antenna.
>
> Managing to upload data to a sat would be a fantastic next step, but I
> can already see the technical challenges with that.? Perhaps relaying
> the data via an open linear transponder using PSK, with?a sensitive
> ground station listening for the results?? That seems more realistic
> than uploading data to a mailbox like FalconSat-3 or similar.
Yeah, satellite relaying would be cool. I know Bob, WB4APR, has had that
as his obsession for many years. I don't see why uploading to a mailbox
should be too difficult, considering we're in the middle of the ocean
without a lot of competition. We have all sorts of other ideas, like
data collection, an adaptive HF data link to dump it to shore, etc. But
we have to beware the dreaded "second system" effect.
>
> Anyway, great to see projects like this engaging students.
That's the idea! But a lot of things have conspired to interfere with
that process this year, sigh.
Phil
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 10:51:10 -0700
From: Fernando Ramirez <framirezferrer@?????.???>
To: Michael Tondee <mat_62@???????.???>
Cc: AMSAT -BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Moderation and personal attacks
Message-ID:
<CAGHXx8jDxe7=N7gCjQwB-KumH3htTAgB1w=g3JE5kuYPOyNoWQ@????.?????.???>
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Was it because of your "huckster" comment?
I imagine the moderators (Mr. Stoetzer? Mr. Bankston?),have already applied
the Acceptable Use Policy and AMSAT Ambassador Code of Conduct to Clint
Bradford for making accusations against two AMSAT members on that same
thread without providing evidence.
73
Fernando KF7R
On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 9:02 AM Michael Tondee via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> I have been informed I'm on moderated status for a "personal attack" so
> it will be interesting to see if this gets through. I feel I just spoke
> the known truth but the moderator disagrees so I will play by his rules.
> At any rate, this bb has been full of "personal attacks" lately both
> outright and veiled and unfortunately I see it continues with sniping
> and snide remarks. It's already established that I'm not currently a
> member of AMSAT and have my reasons why, but I would like to be a member
> again if I see positive change. You can freely disregard my opinion if
> you like but I implore all of you to cast your votes wisely and not be
> influenced by the decidedly personal vendettas of a few here. AMSAT is
> stagnant and needs fresh direction. Many are like me "on the outside
> looking in" and very interested to see where you choose to take the
> future of this organization. Thanks for your time.
>
> 73,
>
> Michael, W4HIJ
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 11:11:10 -0700
From: Fernando Ramirez <framirezferrer@?????.???>
To: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@??.???>, AMSAT -BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Moderation and personal attacks
Message-ID:
<CAGHXx8h6UQZ3zjH+Hg_OJBkN590KmDqF=t5wpqe0pDgCN6pd5A@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Well, then you shouldn't have a problem with publishing that evidence.
KF7R
On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 11:06 AM Clint Bradford <clintbradford@??.???> wrote:
> I have three independent sources - including GoDaddy - for that truth.
>
> Notice how WE4B hasn?t make a peep about it? And Patrick stating
> he wasn?t involved in CREATING it - but he sure contributed to it.
>
> With a third party.
>
> DO you, too, have some sort of ?personal vendetta? against me? Any
> questions or concerns? I am available by phone, email, Skype, Zoom ?
>
> Clint Bradford K6LCS
> 951-533-4984
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 11:14:00 -0700
From: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] NASA and Open Source
Message-ID:
<CAK2MWOvuxvUC+pGkLsWG4G=ERWb=4ZMP-gahVV7FMb5X9Zd9sg@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
I am reading a NASA Grant application today, and noticed this text:
Program elements will give preference to proposals that include a plan for
committing
software as Open Source Software (OSS), beginning at the inception of the
proposed
work. This plan will include the identification of software components
developed as part
of the proposed work, and designate a permissive, widely accepted OSS
license and a
public repository hosting service for these components.
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 18:26:38 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ev Tupis <w2ev@?????.???>
To: AMSAT -BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Moderation and personal attacks
Message-ID: <1851110279.2345379.1595010398091@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
On Friday, July 17, 2020, 01:53:57 PM EDT, Fernando Ramirez via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:?
Was it because of your "huckster" comment?
I imagine ...
-------------------------------------------------------------
It is best to not imagine.? Avoid making up reasons.? It is best to know
that moderators will step in and act when they think it is in the best
interests of the list.? List members do not need to agree or disagree with
their decision.
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 11:29:24 -0700
From: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
To: Fernando Ramirez <framirezferrer@?????.???>
Cc: Michael Tondee <mat_62@???????.???>, AMSAT -BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Moderation and personal attacks
Message-ID:
<CAK2MWOvOQeSfjFj6V3VdLKbV_NYg_ApFRUdnTFuOkb0ss4qscQ@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
There is absolutely no doubt that *people* - not just one person - on this
list have behaved abusively to each other or even to entire classes of
people.
I have offered some of them this advice: "When you are in a fight with an
idiot, nobody can tell which person the idiot is."
And I have suggested that they take the high road next time.
About all we can do is go forward with better behavior. Endless hashing out
of this will not help when, as far as I can tell, none of the parties look
that good if you go over their past utterances. Hey, I've been there too.
Thanks
Bruce
On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 10:53 AM Fernando Ramirez via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Was it because of your "huckster" comment?
>
> I imagine the moderators (Mr. Stoetzer? Mr. Bankston?),have already applied
> the Acceptable Use Policy and AMSAT Ambassador Code of Conduct to Clint
> Bradford for making accusations against two AMSAT members on that same
> thread without providing evidence.
>
> 73
> Fernando KF7R
>
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 9:02 AM Michael Tondee via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> > I have been informed I'm on moderated status for a "personal attack" so
> > it will be interesting to see if this gets through. I feel I just spoke
> > the known truth but the moderator disagrees so I will play by his rules.
> > At any rate, this bb has been full of "personal attacks" lately both
> > outright and veiled and unfortunately I see it continues with sniping
> > and snide remarks. It's already established that I'm not currently a
> > member of AMSAT and have my reasons why, but I would like to be a member
> > again if I see positive change. You can freely disregard my opinion if
> > you like but I implore all of you to cast your votes wisely and not be
> > influenced by the decidedly personal vendettas of a few here. AMSAT is
> > stagnant and needs fresh direction. Many are like me "on the outside
> > looking in" and very interested to see where you choose to take the
> > future of this organization. Thanks for your time.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Michael, W4HIJ
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
--
Bruce Perens - CEO at stealth startup. I'll tell you what it is eventually
:-)
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