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Today's Topics:
1. Re: request detailed system diagram for remoting a satellite
station (Curt Laumann)
2. Re: NASA and Open Source (Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL))
3. Re: New satellite operator - M7OJA (k6vug@?????????.????
4. Re: Members Please Read (Fernando Ramirez)
5. FW: Oscar Sub Band Freq Infio (KA9QJG)
6. Sat radios and G-5500 (Francis Geraci)
7. Re: Websites Down ? amsat.org and parens.com
(Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL))
8. Re: Websites Down ? amsat.org and parens.com (vk2tfg)
9. Re: Websites Down ? amsat.org and parens.com (W3AB/GEO)
10. Re: NASA and Open Source (Bruce Perens)
11. Re: Disregard - Apparently Working Now : Typo Correction -
Websites Down ? amsat.org and perens.com (Kevin Elliott)
12. Re: Moderation and personal attacks (Ev Tupis)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 14:59:54 -0700
From: Curt Laumann <curt.laumann@?????.???>
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] request detailed system diagram for remoting a
satellite station
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Hi Dave,
We have a similar situation at the University of Arizona: we are also
moving towards remote control. Even before the campus virus shutdown
elevated the priority of remote operation, I concluded that a directional
satellite system is not optimal for K7UAZ -- given the consistent scarcity
of volunteer labor available to maintain a directional antenna system.
This fall K7UAZ will be migrating to a set of omni, circularly polarized
antennas with preamplifiers. Not that controlling az/el rotors is overly
complicated, but this change does help make remote operation even easier.
Regards,
Curt / K7ZOO
K7UAZ Station Manager
On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 12:09 PM David J. Schmocker via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone have a detailed system diagram (or interconnect drawing)
> showing how they have remoted a satellite station please? Specifically
> which parts of the system require IP-addressable power on/off, etc.
>
>
> I am in the process of constructing a new satellite station for U/V
> linear use at Milwaukee Area Technical College (where I teach). Our
> Data Communication and Networking class introduces satellite technology
> which I plan to demonstrate live.
>
> Because the hours of access to the building are limited, and because we
> teach Data Communication and Networking from two campuses (but have
> Satellite station at only one), remoting this station would be desirable.
>
> I have an APC IP-addressable power strip (117vac) and some power relays
> if we need 220vac switched, an IC-9700, two high-power switchable LNAs
> (2m and 70cm), antennas (20 element RHCP for 2m and 16 Turn G3RUH Helix
> for 70cm), and a Yaesu 5500 rotor with Green Heron Az/El controller
> (I'll bring Heliax from home to get to the rooftop). Hopefully our
> city campus location is not overly noisy. I plan to construct the
> HEO-ready station as soon as I can be back on campus to do this.
>
> One specific area of concern: how to pass audio over internet. I've
> heard Skype and some other vehicles have problematic latency but I have
> yet to remote any station to use 'near real-time audio' for CW or SSB
> QSOs so I lack experience with this. The satellite computer
> (controlling antennas and managing Doppler) is a Mac mini running
> MacLoggerDX and MacDoppler software.
>
> If helpful, I have two surplus new Raspberry Pi 3s (new and unused) that
> could be repurposed for part of this if helpful.
>
> You'll be happy to know I've been reading the mail and I know to first
> listen and test so we Tx with minimum power. But as a satellite newby,
> I'm sure I'll need abundant guidance when we get QRV.
>
> Any detailed system diagrams (could be off-list directly to me) showing
> how you built and configured such a remote station satellite system
> would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thank you
>
> very 73,
>
> Dave KJ9I
> KD9BOG (at work)
>
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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>
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 23:03:36 +0100
From: "Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL)" <peter@????????.??.??>
To: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] NASA and Open Source
Message-ID:
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Bruce,
I totally get your pro-open source, but it seems to be every email
thread, I'd sure hope that AMSAT Engineering was aware of that clause.
Being lots of educational CubeSats use COTS parts, isn't it likely
that most would be only open sourcing the ground station elements
which might come under "Open Source Software" and be suitable for
NASA's guidelines, while AMSAT doesn't to my knowledge release gerber
pcb files it does release a good amount of ground station code, think
Fox Telem is open source and as others have pointed out there's other
projects shared on Github relating to AMSAT satellites.
Peter, 2M0SQL
On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 at 19:15, Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> I am reading a NASA Grant application today, and noticed this text:
>
> Program elements will give preference to proposals that include a plan for
> committing
> software as Open Source Software (OSS), beginning at the inception of the
> proposed
> work. This plan will include the identification of software components
> developed as part
> of the proposed work, and designate a permissive, widely accepted OSS
> license and a
> public repository hosting service for these components.
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 22:09:47 +0000 (UTC)
From: "k6vug@?????????.???? <k6vug@?????????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???? Roy Dean <royldean@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] New satellite operator - M7OJA
Message-ID: <1372902222.2416079.1595023787114@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Try this?? http://www.work-sat.com/Home_files/FM-VOICE-SATS-1Q-2018.pdf
Hope it helps.
?
73!
k6vug
On Friday, July 17, 2020, 7:17:34 AM PDT, Roy Dean via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> I would like to try to maximise the time I have to use the satellite. My
> handheld radio (Anytone 868) doesn't have an auto doppler shift, so I am
> wondering how to calculate the doppler frequencies? For example, on this
> link https://amsat-uk.org/beginners/how-to-work-fm-satellites/, all of the
> frequencies are listed to be programmed into a handheld (accounting for
> doppler shift). I would like a similar list of frequencies for the Fox-1D
> (or know how to calculate them). Many Thanks, Oscar M7OJA (IO94HT)
Hi Oscar (very appropriate name for this list!),
If you have a computer or smart phone accessible during the pass, I suggest
opening up the following webpage:
http://www.amsat.org.ar/pass.htm
Set your grid square at the bottom and hit "Resolve and Set New".? Double
check that the little house on the map is on your location.? If that is
correct, simply click on the satellite in the list and the upper right will
change to a display that shows the elevation, azimuth, and current
uplink/downlink at your location.? Then it's simply up to you to change
your uplink and downlink VFO to the closest match of the displayed correct
doppler frequency.
--Roy
K3RLD
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to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
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AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 15:15:38 -0700
From: Fernando Ramirez <framirezferrer@?????.???>
To: Chad KG0MW <chad.kg0mw@?????.???>, AMSAT -BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Members Please Read
Message-ID:
<CAGHXx8g4HftXoXuXhfs6h-QGbeYThHa-p0hYcv5nMXKungjGXw@????.?????.???>
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So, there's a separate funding source for legal services? The point is that
regardless of where it came from, AMSAT paid for it. And it was a wasteful
use of the organization's resources.
KF7R
On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 3:06 PM Chad KG0MW via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> I like watermelons. The board even has stated that the legal funds DID NOT
> come from memberships dues.
>
>
>
> ?On 7/17/20, 3:52 PM, "AMSAT-BB on behalf of Clint Bradford via AMSAT-BB" <
> amsat-bb-bounces@?????.??? on behalf of AMSAT-BB@?????.???> wrote:
>
> Why are you comparing the legal expenditures with membership fees?
>
> Di you discover that membership fees were used in any manner for those
> expenses?
>
> If not, then why don?t we compare that amount with, say, Apples or
> Watermelons?
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 17, 2020, at 12:46 PM, amsat-bb-request@?????.??? wrote:
> >
> >> Now we learn that the expenditure is over 16k. That is 363
> memberships, if this retired engineer's math is correct.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
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> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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>
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 17:16:19 -0500
From: "KA9QJG" <KA9QJG@???????.???>
To: <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] FW: Oscar Sub Band Freq Infio
Message-ID: <00fd01d65c87$ffa28670$fee79350$@???????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Not Sure this Went out
73 Don KA9QJG
From: KA9QJG [mailto:KA9QJG@???????.????
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 4:30 PM
To: 'AMSAT-BB@?????.????
Subject: Oscar Sub Band Freq Infio
Hello from Don KA9QJG Ham for over 40 yrs. Hope Everyone is staying Safe
and Healthy.. I hope its ok to change the ongoing thread.. I have heard
some New Hams using the Oscar sub bands for FM Simplex. Below Is the ARRL
Band Chart Now Reads New
144.30-144.50
New OSCAR subband
145.80-146.00
OSCAR subband
They are using Freq 144.315 FM Simplex. One was telling a story over 25 yrs
ago they were using this Freq and a complaint was made to the FCC He got a
Letter from the FCC . And He called respond the complaint and told the FCC
that this was the Old Oscar Sub band that had not been used since the
sixties Sats were Not up and working anymore. And the FCC Said do not
worry about the complaint. So after listening to all this on 144.315 over
a long time I thought the best place to get a real answer would be here.
Thanks everyone Please Stay Safe and Healthy
73 At 73 Be careful Old Age is catching LOL
Don KA9QJG
2 Meters (144-148 MHz)
144.00-144.05
EME (CW)
144.05-144.10
General CW and weak signals
144.10-144.20
EME and weak-signal SSB
144.200
National calling frequency
144.200-144.275
General SSB operation
144.275-144.300
Propagation beacons
144.30-144.50
New OSCAR subband
144.50-144.60
Linear translator inputs
144.60-144.90
FM repeater inputs
144.90-145.10
Weak signal and FM simplex (145.01,03,05,07,09 are widely used for packet)
145.10-145.20
Linear translator outputs
145.20-145.50
FM repeater outputs
145.50-145.80
Miscellaneous and experimental modes
145.80-146.00
OSCAR subband
146.01-146.37
Repeater inputs
146.40-146.58
Simplex
146.52
National Simplex Calling Frequency
146.61-146.97
Repeater outputs
147.00-147.39
Repeater outputs
147.42-147.57
Simplex
147.60-147.99
Repeater inputs
Notes: The frequency 146.40 MHz is used in some areas as a repeater input.
This band plan has been proposed by the ARRL VHF-UHF Advisory Committee.
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 18:19:24 -0400
From: Francis Geraci <fgeraci14@?????.???>
To: Suryono Adisoemarta via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Sat radios and G-5500
Message-ID:
<CA+QL-dBCD+L6GWxGossD+az7xXjwapHTEQ9+e=KE5JaXsyPaSA@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Anybody interested in:
IC-211
IC-451
IC-821
G-5500
Find me on QRZ Email
Francis - W1FXX -, Marathon,Fl.
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 23:20:31 +0100
From: "Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL)" <peter@????????.??.??>
To: Robert MacHale <robert.machale@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Websites Down ? amsat.org and parens.com
Message-ID:
<CAFvUaio60XQk=BfPoF911g_wGQevH7Os0oWBYq0c4e1YXkv=Zw@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Probably better to wait for facts before saying it was a attack
I suspect they all used Cloudflare DNS which had an outage.
Peter, 2M0SQL
On Fri, 17 Jul 2020, 23:16 Robert MacHale via AMSAT-BB, <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> Am I the only one having trouble accessing these websites?
> If this is an attack against either group - I strongly disapprove of this
> type of hacking.
> Bruce - is everything okay?
> Robert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio License. http://www.aprsat.com/predict
> . http://www.spaceCommunicator.club
> . Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space
> Exploration
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 08:32:58 +1000
From: vk2tfg <vk2tfg@???????.???.??>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Websites Down ? amsat.org and parens.com
Message-ID: <20200718083258.0601a9e6@????????????.??????.????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 21:30:13 +0000 (UTC)
Robert MacHale via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Am I the only one having trouble accessing these websites?
snipped
www.amsat.org is working from here in VK3.
73 de Geoff vk2tfg.
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 15:37:17 -0700
From: W3AB/GEO <w3ab@?????.???>
To: Robert MacHale <robert.machale@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Websites Down ? amsat.org and parens.com
Message-ID: <6948dcb2-011e-448e-b3f0-4187b5967fa0@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Yes, you are.
?___
Sent from my two way wrist watch
73 de W3AB/GEO?
On Jul 17, 2020, 15:19, at 15:19, Robert MacHale via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>Am I the only one having trouble accessing these websites?
>If this is an attack against either group - I strongly disapprove of
>this type of hacking.
>Bruce - is everything okay?
>Robert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio License.?http://www.aprsat.com/predict
>.?http://www.spaceCommunicator.club?
>. Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space
>Exploration
>
>_______________________________________________
>Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>Opinions expressed
>are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>of AMSAT-NA.
>Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>program!
>Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 15:44:30 -0700
From: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
To: peter@??????.???
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] NASA and Open Source
Message-ID:
<CAK2MWOvHO779pVjULNiQ4MndDV153W1SW7VOf75QQYnScO=rhg@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Sorry. The problem is not really that AMSAT doesn't do enough open source.
The problem is that AMSAT seems to be overly constrained in its action.
Open Source is part of an overall strategy we suggest for a cure.
On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 3:04 PM Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL) <peter@????????.??.??>
wrote:
> Bruce,
>
> I totally get your pro-open source, but it seems to be every email
> thread, I'd sure hope that AMSAT Engineering was aware of that clause.
>
> Being lots of educational CubeSats use COTS parts, isn't it likely
> that most would be only open sourcing the ground station elements
> which might come under "Open Source Software" and be suitable for
> NASA's guidelines, while AMSAT doesn't to my knowledge release gerber
> pcb files it does release a good amount of ground station code, think
> Fox Telem is open source and as others have pointed out there's other
> projects shared on Github relating to AMSAT satellites.
>
> Peter, 2M0SQL
>
> On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 at 19:15, Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB
> <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> >
> > I am reading a NASA Grant application today, and noticed this text:
> >
> > Program elements will give preference to proposals that include a plan
> for
> > committing
> > software as Open Source Software (OSS), beginning at the inception of the
> > proposed
> > work. This plan will include the identification of software components
> > developed as part
> > of the proposed work, and designate a permissive, widely accepted OSS
> > license and a
> > public repository hosting service for these components.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 15:48:59 -0700
From: Kevin Elliott <kevin@?????.???>
To: Robert MacHale <robert.machale@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Disregard - Apparently Working Now : Typo
Correction - Websites Down ? amsat.org and perens.com
Message-ID: <C6119F14-4D3C-4B2A-9BF1-437447537062@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
It was a Cloudflare outage. Backbone route caused a full DNS outage. Most
major sites on internet were hit. Wasn?t an attack.
Kevin KK6NHN
> On Jul 17, 2020, at 3:33 PM, Robert MacHale via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Robert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio License. http://www.aprsat.com/predict
> . http://www.spaceCommunicator.club
> . Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space
Exploration
>
> Silly Joke: What did the little mountain say to the bigger mountain? Hi
Cliff!
>
> ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Robert MacHale
<robert.machale@?????.???>To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>Sent: Friday,
July 17, 2020, 02:34:06 PM PDTSubject: Typo Correction - Websites Down ?
amsat.org and perens.com
> perens.comamsat.org
> Robert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio License. http://www.aprsat.com/predict
> . http://www.spaceCommunicator.club
> . Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space
Exploration
>
> Silly Joke: What did the little mountain say to the bigger mountain? Hi
Cliff!
>
> ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Robert MacHale
<robert.machale@?????.???>To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>Sent: Friday,
July 17, 2020, 02:30:13 PM PDTSubject: Websites Down ? amsat.org and
parens.com
> Am I the only one having trouble accessing these websites?
> If this is an attack against either group - I strongly disapprove of this
type of hacking.
> Bruce - is everything okay?
> Robert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio License. http://www.aprsat.com/predict
> . http://www.spaceCommunicator.club
> . Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space
Exploration
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 23:05:11 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ev Tupis <w2ev@?????.???>
To: AMSAT -BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Moderation and personal attacks
Message-ID: <1509414967.2426285.1595027111858@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>??There is nothing wrong with being polite.? There is much wrong with not
being polite.
Yes. But that's not the argument. You rendered it as if the moderators would
step in and act somewhat opaquely - the members need not agree. The reality
is that they should, and probably will, act according to published rules
which we are all aware of. Like a government, and as imperfectly.?
-------------------------------------------------------------------
There is no argument unless you are trying to pick one.? I render nothing on
behalf of the moderators.? I speak only to the issue of civility as guests
in their "house".
In your house, others are expected to be polite and abide by the "rules of
your house".? Suppose you don't utter curses in your home.? Then, a guest
did.? You may ignore it at first thinking it was a 'slip', but after a while
curses started flowing.? When you call them out, they reply with "Show me
where cursing is forbidden in your acceptable guest policy". Absurd, right?
We are all guests here.? The moderators will (and should) step in and
moderate anyone they feel (yes, as imperfect humans) is endangering the
health of the list.? The moderators are under no obligation to explain
themselves to others.? It is their house.
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