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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Candidate W4EB Inquiry (Michael Tondee)
2. New approach, in my blog (Robert McGwier)
3. AMSAT Election (Bruce)
4. Special Callsign 4A15DXXE (Russ Kinner)
5. Re: Special Callsign 4A15DXXE (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
6. Re: Special Callsign 4A15DXXE (Don KB2YSI)
7. Re: Wise Legal Expenses (GEO Badger)
8. Re: Wise Legal Expenses (Bruce Perens)
9. Re: Wise Legal Expenses (Robert MacHale)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 09:55:56 -0400
From: Michael Tondee <mat_62@???????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Candidate W4EB Inquiry
Message-ID: <d35ba509-a666-a0bc-3100-dd52729f3188@???????.???>
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Some people who do volunteer or charity work for an organization or make
contributions do so anonymously and without much fanfare. Recognition is
not why they do it. They are content to work behind the scenes quietly
and don't feel the need to shout from the rooftops LOOK AT ME! Still
others, may not do anything besides pay dues for years and then feel
some sort of personal call to action and start to speak out where they
see change needed and then maybe they even run for office in said
organization. I can't speak for W4EB and what his motivations are.
Personally though, I've been quiet about the stagnation of this
organization for years and voted with my wallet by not supporting it.
That's changed and now I feel the need to speak out. I will say that all
the candidates running are braver than I am because I would not care to
subject myself to the type of veiled attacks you're making. The fact
someone chooses not to play silly games of one upmanship with you speaks
volumes alright. It shows of what good character they are and I hope the
voters in the coming election realize that. It's too late for me to join
and vote now but now I'm wishing I had.
73,
Michael, W4HIJ
Message: 7
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 00:14:24 -0700
From: Clint Bradford<clintbradford@???.???>
To: AMSAT BB<amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Candidate WE4B Inquiry
Message-ID:<CC800069-0D58-4C33-8609-2E5CE3CC236F@???.???>
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Thanks - your non-response speaks volumes.
Clint Bradford K6LCS
> On Jul 17, 2020, at 4:16 AM, Clint Bradford<clintbradford@???.???> wrote:
>
> Candidate WE4B - please list for us the projects you have volunteered for
> for AMSAT-NA. Specifically for AMSAT-NA - and not just general satellite
> contacts. Say, for the past 10 years.
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Clint Bradford K6LCS
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 10:12:56 -0500
From: Robert McGwier <rwmcgwier@?????.???>
To: amsat bb <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] New approach, in my blog
Message-ID:
<CA+K5gzcjuFgQWtc133oqbbC6Uip_iyC4KY9eOU5GQVwgMCEijg@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
I am going to be writing about my AMSAT board candidacy in my blog. Any
corrections, please send them. If you are an AMSAT member, I would
appreciate your vote.
https://n4hy.blogspot.com/2020/07/amsat-bod-elections-2020.html
--
Bob McGwier
Founder, Federated Wireless, Inc
Founder and Technical Advisor, HawkEye 360, Inc
Adjunct Professor Virginia Tech
Former Chief Scientist: The Ted and Karyn Hume Center for National
Security and Technology
Senior Member IEEE, Facebook: N4HYBob, ARS: N4HY
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 10:30:12 -0500
From: Bruce <kk5do@????.???>
To: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Election
Message-ID: <f4d5e204-e4c7-cf9c-966b-7d1d61320d9a@????.???>
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Thank you to all the members that nominated me for the AMSAT Board of
Directors which was way more than the minimum 5 required. For those of you
who don't know me, my name is Bruce Paige, KK5DO. An AMSAT Life Member, I
have been on the board multiple times since I became a life member in 1993.
I have also been the AMSAT Director of Contests and Awards since 2001.
Please take the time to make an informed decision in this year's election.
My bio and passion for ham radio can be found at the links below.
I encourage you to read my candidate statement at
https://www.upwardtoheo.com/biographies/bruce-paige-kk5do
I've also written some more information about why I'm running for the Board at
https://www.upwardtoheo.com/updates/kk5dos-passion-for-ham-radio
Former AMSAT President Barry Baines, WD4ASW, explains why Mark, N8MH,
Paul, N8MH, and I are the best choices in this election at
https://www.upwardtoheo.com/updates/former-amsat-president-barry-baines-wd4asw
-endorses-n8hm-n8mh-and-kk5do
73,
Bruce, KK5DO
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 09:08:40 -0700
From: Russ Kinner <wizardofzid@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] Special Callsign 4A15DXXE
Message-ID: <877b346c-2a36-640a-3b7e-9640f9dedf24@?????.???>
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Some of you may have heard a unique callsign on the FM birds 4A15DXXE.?
It is Grupo DXXE 15th Anniversary Special Event Station which will be
operating all year.? They QSL via LotW only.? More info:
http://www.dxxe.org/4a15dxxe
I worked them last night on AO-92.
Rusty? WA8ZID
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 16:26:39 +0000
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb@??????.???>
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Special Callsign 4A15DXXE
Message-ID:
<CAN6TEUeLYYcfoEnwn39pPvGXQvE5FyQhaiyRiQjPsn8jxDzCnA@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Rusty,
Yes, Rafael XE2RV has been operating as 4A15DXXE lately. Rafael is
hoping to achieve satellite VUCC as 4A15DXXE from his home in
northern Mexico, in grid DL55. I think he is at 49 or 50 grids so far,
and hopes to get to at least 100 grids before the end of this year. If
you hear 4A15DXXE on the air, please give Rafael a call. If you have
already worked 4A15DXXE at home, and have an opportunity to operate
from other grids, please consider calling 4A15DXXE from those other
locations.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @?????? or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 4:09 PM Russ Kinner via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> Some of you may have heard a unique callsign on the FM birds 4A15DXXE.
> It is Grupo DXXE 15th Anniversary Special Event Station which will be
> operating all year. They QSL via LotW only. More info:
> http://www.dxxe.org/4a15dxxe
>
> I worked them last night on AO-92.
>
> Rusty WA8ZID
>
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 12:28:10 -0400
From: Don KB2YSI <kb2ysi@?????.???>
To: Russ Kinner <wizardofzid@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Special Callsign 4A15DXXE
Message-ID:
<CAAJiE8PR_-LMM=VYgwgSCiZMbnatq1-HtdaxdgAAWhzUGXRChg@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Rafa XE2RV is at the helm. He's trying to get VUCC, so give him a call!
No blind calling though. There are enough people doing that already. It is
a GREAT way to not get a QSO!
On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 12:10 Russ Kinner via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> Some of you may have heard a unique callsign on the FM birds 4A15DXXE.
> It is Grupo DXXE 15th Anniversary Special Event Station which will be
> operating all year. They QSL via LotW only. More info:
> http://www.dxxe.org/4a15dxxe
>
> I worked them last night on AO-92.
>
> Rusty WA8ZID
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 16:37:41 +0000 (UTC)
From: GEO Badger <w3ab@?????.???>
To: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>, Robert MacHale
<robert.machale@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Wise Legal Expenses
Message-ID: <1099537312.3651973.1595090261246@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Robert,
Always digging at someone aren't you? Politics has no place on the Amsat BB.
".....AmSat is not exactly a startup run by liberal technocrats; as in most
companies - conservative administrators settle in to keep the pattern
running....."
If you can't say something nice, say nothing at all. Please.
---?
Ciao baby, catch you on the flip side??
73 de W3AB/GEO ???
http://www.w3ab.org
You can say "over", you can say "out", you just can't say "over and out".
On Saturday, July 18, 2020, 05:36:13 AM PDT, Robert MacHale via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
Hi Bruce,
Thanks for correcting me - again. I still remember when you corrected my
conference poster at DX Convention 2018 at my Satellite APRS talk. Touche.
[1] Dad (N6DAN) & Robert (KE6BLR)
-?https://twitter.com/robert_machale/status/1284460558092140544
You noticed the "X.25" should have read "AX.25" - rather than replace the
poster, to save money, I just added an "A" sticker from my Angels baseball
memorabilia. :)
[2] Angels Sticker
-?https://twitter.com/robert_machale/status/1284458200708743168
Glad to see you are injecting life and energy into AmSat. Remember to be
kind and patient. AmSat is not exactly a startup run by liberal technocrats;
as in most companies - conservative administrators settle in to keep the
pattern running.
[3] Bruce (K6BP) & Robert (KE6BLR)
-?https://twitter.com/robert_machale/status/1284460709342900224
Cheers!
BTW, did you notice FreeSWITCH recommends Debian - just a random observation.
>>> Debian 10 Buster?(preferred) The development team uses and builds
against Debian 10 "Buster". They recommend Debian because of its stable, yet
updated, kernel and wide support.?
For reference:
https://freeswitch.org/confluence/display/FREESWITCH/Installation
Robert MacHale
. KE6BLR Ham Radio License
.?http://www.aprsat.com/predict
.?http://www.spaceCommunicator.club?
. Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space Exploration
Silly Joke:?What did the little mountain say to the bigger mountain? Hi
Cliff!Political Quote:?He who dares not offend cannot be honest. -- Thomas
Paine
Presidential Quote by George Washington:?May the Children of the?Stock of
Abraham, who dwell in this land, continue to merit and enjoy the good will
of the other Inhabitants; while every one shall sit in safety under his own
vine and figtree, and there shall be none to make him afraid.
On Friday, July 17, 2020, 08:07:47 PM PDT, Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
wrote:
Hi Robert,
Unfortunately, you are stating the time sequence backward.
If you read the explanation letter signed by the whole AMSAT board, the
legal expenses are in 2018-2019. The demand letter came at the end of the
legal process, when the majority of the funds had already been spent. When
they got the demand letter, AMSAT's attorneys relented and the board did
what was demanded in the letter, and Joe resigned (for reasons he has chosen
not to elaborate upon). Michelle and Patrick's blogs are public and you can
read it there, it is clear that there were many attempts to communicate
before the demand was made.
It also is important to note that AMSAT had lawyers directed at Michelle and
Patrick long, long before?they got their own lawyer.
? ? Thanks
? ? Bruce
? ? Thanks
? ? Bruce
On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 6:19 PM Robert MacHale via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> To all who claim the legal expenses were a waste of money, consider this:
>
>
>>>>In January 2020, a demand letter arrived at AMSAT from an attorney
representing Directors Thompson and Stoddard.
>
>
> Submitting a demand letter from an attorney is a really big deal. That
legal line was first crossed by the new board members. Apparently, Joe Spier
resigned at this point in order to avoid unfair legal entanglements - and,
as far as I can tell from the few interactions I have had with Joe - he is a
kind person.
>
> Plenty of evidence, plenty of facts - obviously point to AmSat not keeping
up with the times. But that does not justify legal betrayal of existing
board members by new members in an effort to usurp full control of the
board. A more perfect response would have been to do nothing until the
election cycle and hope to replace the board members who may have been
dragging their feet.
>
> My point is this - nobody should be making the argument the legal expenses
were not required. Hearing this from the members who delivered the demand
letter feels insulting on many levels and should stop. Own it - the members
who brought the demand, and their Backer(s), are ultimately responsible for
the costs incurred. Actions have consequences - and side-effects.
>
> Ends do not justify means. There is a right way and a wrong way to move
forward. Trust is more valuable than performance.
>
> The legal expenditures were both Wise and Required. The demand letter sent
by the new board members was neither. Shifting blame and not owning the
side-effects of our actions is less than optimal.
>
> This observation is not a vote in favor or against any member or candidate.
>
> For reference:
https://www.amsat.org/pipermail/amsat-bb/2020-July/078239.html
>
> Robert MacHale
> . KE6BLR Ham Radio License
> .?http://www.aprsat.com/predict
> .?http://www.spaceCommunicator.club?
> . Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space
Exploration
>
> Silly Joke:?What did the little mountain say to the bigger mountain? Hi
Cliff!
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
--
Bruce Perens - CEO at stealth startup. I'll tell you what it is eventually :-)
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
------------------------------
Message: 8
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 09:56:58 -0700
From: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
To: GEO Badger <w3ab@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Wise Legal Expenses
Message-ID:
<CAK2MWOtaqbER=2XdNz8kzNSafYAOT1mQMW0WYhpdm3GD8uUPxA@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
I think Robert is echoing the old-space versus new-space dichotomy. We have
Boeing and ULA doing things the way they have since 1960, and then we have
SpaceX, doing things faster, cheaper and so far better, but Elon says
things that even drive me nuts! Still, it is SpaceX who has brought us
economical launch opportunities and will continue to do so.
As a (so far not rich) partner in a VC firm, I am very appreciative of
people who can keep a tight eye on money! In the same company I would like
to have people who push the technology to the bleeding edge. There is a
place for a liberal technocrats and conservatives under the same umbrella.
Thanks
Bruce
On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 9:37 AM GEO Badger <w3ab@?????.???> wrote:
> Robert,
>
> Always digging at someone aren't you? Politics has no place on the Amsat
> BB.
>
> ".....AmSat is not exactly a startup run by liberal technocrats; as in
> most companies - conservative administrators settle in to keep the pattern
> running....."
>
> If you can't say something nice, say nothing at all. Please.
>
>
> ---
> Ciao baby, catch you on the flip side
>
> 73 de W3AB/GEO
>
> http://www.w3ab.org
>
> You can say "over", you can say "out", you just can't say "over and out".
>
>
> On Saturday, July 18, 2020, 05:36:13 AM PDT, Robert MacHale via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Bruce,
>
> Thanks for correcting me - again. I still remember when you corrected my
> conference poster at DX Convention 2018 at my Satellite APRS talk. Touche.
>
> [1] Dad (N6DAN) & Robert (KE6BLR) -
> https://twitter.com/robert_machale/status/1284460558092140544
>
> You noticed the "X.25" should have read "AX.25" - rather than replace the
> poster, to save money, I just added an "A" sticker from my Angels baseball
> memorabilia. :)
>
> [2] Angels Sticker -
> https://twitter.com/robert_machale/status/1284458200708743168
>
> Glad to see you are injecting life and energy into AmSat. Remember to be
> kind and patient. AmSat is not exactly a startup run by liberal
> technocrats; as in most companies - conservative administrators settle in
> to keep the pattern running.
>
> [3] Bruce (K6BP) & Robert (KE6BLR) -
> https://twitter.com/robert_machale/status/1284460709342900224
>
> Cheers!
>
> BTW, did you notice FreeSWITCH recommends Debian - just a random
> observation.
>
> >>> Debian 10 Buster (preferred) The development team uses and builds
> against Debian 10 "Buster". They recommend Debian because of its stable,
> yet updated, kernel and wide support.
>
> For reference:
> https://freeswitch.org/confluence/display/FREESWITCH/Installation
>
> Robert MacHale
> . KE6BLR Ham Radio License
> . http://www.aprsat.com/predict
> . http://www.spaceCommunicator.club <http://www.spaceCommunicator.club>
> . Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space
> Exploration
>
> Silly Joke: What did the little mountain say to the bigger mountain? Hi
> Cliff!Political Quote: He who dares not offend cannot be honest. -- Thomas
> Paine
>
> Presidential Quote by George Washington: May the Children of the Stock of
> Abraham, who dwell in this land, continue to merit and enjoy the good will
> of the other Inhabitants; while every one shall sit in safety under his own
> vine and figtree, and there shall be none to make him afraid.
>
>
>
> On Friday, July 17, 2020, 08:07:47 PM PDT, Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> Unfortunately, you are stating the time sequence backward.
>
> If you read the explanation letter signed by the whole AMSAT board, the
> legal expenses are in 2018-2019. The demand letter came at the end of the
> legal process, when the majority of the funds had already been spent. When
> they got the demand letter, AMSAT's attorneys relented and the board did
> what was demanded in the letter, and Joe resigned (for reasons he has
> chosen not to elaborate upon). Michelle and Patrick's blogs are public and
> you can read it there, it is clear that there were many attempts to
> communicate before the demand was made.
>
> It also is important to note that AMSAT had lawyers directed at Michelle
> and Patrick long, long before they got their own lawyer.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bruce
>
> Thanks
>
> Bruce
>
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 6:19 PM Robert MacHale via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> > To all who claim the legal expenses were a waste of money, consider this:
> >
> >
> >>>>In January 2020, a demand letter arrived at AMSAT from an attorney
> representing Directors Thompson and Stoddard.
> >
> >
> > Submitting a demand letter from an attorney is a really big deal. That
> legal line was first crossed by the new board members. Apparently, Joe
> Spier resigned at this point in order to avoid unfair legal entanglements -
> and, as far as I can tell from the few interactions I have had with Joe -
> he is a kind person.
> >
> > Plenty of evidence, plenty of facts - obviously point to AmSat not
> keeping up with the times. But that does not justify legal betrayal of
> existing board members by new members in an effort to usurp full control of
> the board. A more perfect response would have been to do nothing until the
> election cycle and hope to replace the board members who may have been
> dragging their feet.
> >
> > My point is this - nobody should be making the argument the legal
> expenses were not required. Hearing this from the members who delivered the
> demand letter feels insulting on many levels and should stop. Own it - the
> members who brought the demand, and their Backer(s), are ultimately
> responsible for the costs incurred. Actions have consequences - and
> side-effects.
> >
> > Ends do not justify means. There is a right way and a wrong way to move
> forward. Trust is more valuable than performance.
> >
> > The legal expenditures were both Wise and Required. The demand letter
> sent by the new board members was neither. Shifting blame and not owning
> the side-effects of our actions is less than optimal.
> >
> > This observation is not a vote in favor or against any member or
> candidate.
> >
> > For reference:
> https://www.amsat.org/pipermail/amsat-bb/2020-July/078239.html
> >
> > Robert MacHale
> > . KE6BLR Ham Radio License
> > . http://www.aprsat.com/predict
> > . http://www.spaceCommunicator.club <http://www.spaceCommunicator.club>
> > . Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space
> Exploration
> >
> > Silly Joke: What did the little mountain say to the bigger mountain? Hi
> Cliff!
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
>
>
> --
> Bruce Perens - CEO at stealth startup. I'll tell you what it is eventually
> :-)
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 17:50:45 +0000 (UTC)
From: Robert MacHale <robert.machale@?????.???>
To: GEO Badger <w3ab@?????.???>, Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Wise Legal Expenses
Message-ID: <1176739888.3679995.1595094645358@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
The tension in any organization between Innovators vs. Maintainers is real.
Psychologists Dr. Jordan Peterson can explain this better. Sticking our head
in the ground in denial does not make it go away.
Each of us is wired one of two ways. Accepting those opposing views creates
respect and understanding. It's neither good or bad nor is it nice or mean.
The tension is necessary and good.
Checkout Jordan Peterson on YouTube.
And yes, Elon Musk is my hero, Bruce has a good point on SpaceX vs.
Establishment.
Sincerely,
Robert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio License.?http://www.aprsat.com/predict
.?http://www.spaceCommunicator.club?
. Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space Exploration
Silly Joke:?What did the little mountain say to the bigger mountain? Hi Cliff!
Political Quote:?
He who dares not offend cannot be honest. -- Thomas Paine
On Saturday, July 18, 2020, 09:57:11 AM PDT, Bruce Perens
<bruce@??????.???> wrote:
I think Robert is echoing the old-space versus new-space dichotomy. We have
Boeing and ULA doing things the way they have since 1960, and then we have
SpaceX, doing things faster, cheaper and so far better, but Elon says things
that even drive me nuts! Still, it is SpaceX who has brought us economical
launch opportunities and will continue to do so.
As a (so far not rich) partner in a VC firm, I am very appreciative of
people who can keep a tight eye on money! In the same company I would like
to have people who push the technology to the bleeding edge. There is a
place for a liberal technocrats and conservatives under the same umbrella.
Thanks
Bruce
On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 9:37 AM GEO Badger <w3ab@?????.???> wrote:
Robert,
Always digging at someone aren't you? Politics has no place on the Amsat BB.
".....AmSat is not exactly a startup run by liberal technocrats; as in most
companies - conservative administrators settle in to keep the pattern
running....."
If you can't say something nice, say nothing at all. Please.
---?
Ciao baby, catch you on the flip side??
73 de W3AB/GEO ???
http://www.w3ab.org
You can say "over", you can say "out", you just can't say "over and out".
On Saturday, July 18, 2020, 05:36:13 AM PDT, Robert MacHale via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
Hi Bruce,
Thanks for correcting me - again. I still remember when you corrected my
conference poster at DX Convention 2018 at my Satellite APRS talk. Touche.
[1] Dad (N6DAN) & Robert (KE6BLR)
-?https://twitter.com/robert_machale/status/1284460558092140544
You noticed the "X.25" should have read "AX.25" - rather than replace the
poster, to save money, I just added an "A" sticker from my Angels baseball
memorabilia. :)
[2] Angels Sticker
-?https://twitter.com/robert_machale/status/1284458200708743168
Glad to see you are injecting life and energy into AmSat. Remember to be
kind and patient. AmSat is not exactly a startup run by liberal technocrats;
as in most companies - conservative administrators settle in to keep the
pattern running.
[3] Bruce (K6BP) & Robert (KE6BLR)
-?https://twitter.com/robert_machale/status/1284460709342900224
Cheers!
BTW, did you notice FreeSWITCH recommends Debian - just a random observation.
>>> Debian 10 Buster?(preferred) The development team uses and builds
against Debian 10 "Buster". They recommend Debian because of its stable, yet
updated, kernel and wide support.?
For reference:
https://freeswitch.org/confluence/display/FREESWITCH/Installation
Robert MacHale
. KE6BLR Ham Radio License
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Silly Joke:?What did the little mountain say to the bigger mountain? Hi
Cliff!Political Quote:?He who dares not offend cannot be honest. -- Thomas
Paine
Presidential Quote by George Washington:?May the Children of the?Stock of
Abraham, who dwell in this land, continue to merit and enjoy the good will
of the other Inhabitants; while every one shall sit in safety under his own
vine and figtree, and there shall be none to make him afraid.
On Friday, July 17, 2020, 08:07:47 PM PDT, Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
wrote:
Hi Robert,
Unfortunately, you are stating the time sequence backward.
If you read the explanation letter signed by the whole AMSAT board, the
legal expenses are in 2018-2019. The demand letter came at the end of the
legal process, when the majority of the funds had already been spent. When
they got the demand letter, AMSAT's attorneys relented and the board did
what was demanded in the letter, and Joe resigned (for reasons he has chosen
not to elaborate upon). Michelle and Patrick's blogs are public and you can
read it there, it is clear that there were many attempts to communicate
before the demand was made.
It also is important to note that AMSAT had lawyers directed at Michelle and
Patrick long, long before?they got their own lawyer.
? ? Thanks
? ? Bruce
? ? Thanks
? ? Bruce
On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 6:19 PM Robert MacHale via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> To all who claim the legal expenses were a waste of money, consider this:
>
>
>>>>In January 2020, a demand letter arrived at AMSAT from an attorney
representing Directors Thompson and Stoddard.
>
>
> Submitting a demand letter from an attorney is a really big deal. That
legal line was first crossed by the new board members. Apparently, Joe Spier
resigned at this point in order to avoid unfair legal entanglements - and,
as far as I can tell from the few interactions I have had with Joe - he is a
kind person.
>
> Plenty of evidence, plenty of facts - obviously point to AmSat not keeping
up with the times. But that does not justify legal betrayal of existing
board members by new members in an effort to usurp full control of the
board. A more perfect response would have been to do nothing until the
election cycle and hope to replace the board members who may have been
dragging their feet.
>
> My point is this - nobody should be making the argument the legal expenses
were not required. Hearing this from the members who delivered the demand
letter feels insulting on many levels and should stop. Own it - the members
who brought the demand, and their Backer(s), are ultimately responsible for
the costs incurred. Actions have consequences - and side-effects.
>
> Ends do not justify means. There is a right way and a wrong way to move
forward. Trust is more valuable than performance.
>
> The legal expenditures were both Wise and Required. The demand letter sent
by the new board members was neither. Shifting blame and not owning the
side-effects of our actions is less than optimal.
>
> This observation is not a vote in favor or against any member or candidate.
>
> For reference:
https://www.amsat.org/pipermail/amsat-bb/2020-July/078239.html
>
> Robert MacHale
> . KE6BLR Ham Radio License
> .?http://www.aprsat.com/predict
> .?http://www.spaceCommunicator.club?
> . Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space
Exploration
>
> Silly Joke:?What did the little mountain say to the bigger mountain? Hi
Cliff!
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