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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Elections HEO QO-100' Linear NB + Digital WB (Howie DeFelice)
2. Re: Elections HEO QO-100' Linear NB + Digital WB (Daniel Schultz)
3. FW: Expo Contact Form Message (tjschuessler@???????.????
4. Re: Elections HEO QO-100' Linear NB + Digital WB (Howie DeFelice)
5. Because I am being asked (Brennan Price)
6. SSB Electronics (Tom Lubbers K8TL)
7. Re: Because I am being asked (Zach Metzinger)
8. Re: Elections HEO QO-100' Linear NB + Digital WB (Paul Stoetzer)
9. Re: Elections HEO QO-100' Linear NB + Digital WB
(Michelle Thompson)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 10:56:22 +0000
From: Howie DeFelice <howied231@???????.???>
To: "AMSAT-BB@?????.???? <AMSAT-BB@?????.???>, Joe Leikhim
<rhyolite@???????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Elections HEO QO-100' Linear NB + Digital WB
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If Bill was still around I would ask him, I do miss him. There may be some
details in the corporate records but as an alternate board member I don't
have access to those archives. Perhaps some of the current board can provide
the details. My memory of what I heard was that Intelsat treated the request
as a commercial RFQ and we got the commercial price that was many times the
cost to orbit AO-40. Any new HEO satellite is going to require huge amounts
of money no matter what. The ability to raise funds will be the MOST
IMPORTANT part of getting a HEO satellite launched. Anybody who says
different does not know what they are talking about.
Howie AB2S
________________________________
From: Joe Leikhim <rhyolite@???????.???>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 2:40:54 AM
To: Howie DeFelice <howied231@???????.???>; AMSAT-BB@?????.???
<AMSAT-BB@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Elections HEO QO-100' Linear NB + Digital WB
Howie;
Bill Tynan kicked this idea around 12 years ago as a distinct possibility
with Intelsat. See below:
Blast from past 12 years ago....the entire thread of course is nearly a
rehash of today's. So just the POSITIVE Bits. What happened?
[eagle] Re: what is going on?, some technical content at last.
Bill Tynan
btynan at beecreek.net
<mailto:eagle%40amsat.org?Subject=%5Beagle%5D%20Re%3A%20what%20is%20going%20on
%3F%2C%20some%20technical%20content%20at%20last.&In-Reply-To=>
Fri Jul 11 07:52:51 PDT 2008
"Drew, Bob and All:
I have been thinking along the same lines for some time, but being no more
than a "Senior Advisor" (geezer) I have not chosen to voice my views widely.
Most hams want linear transponder, high altitude satellites. Very few are
yet into digital anything.
Yes, AMSAT should be in the forefront of technology, but to do so, it must
be here. To be here, it must have the support (money) of the ham community.
We can still make a very good case for emergency commutations with a
spacecraft which is in there 24/7 (Rideshare) even if it is only an analog
transponder. With moderate bandwidth, that analog transponder can be used
for at least low rate digital communication by ground stations. So, still
pictures and medical data can be exchanged through it.
So, let's get to it.
That means fundraising. I have seen very little effort in that direction.
Have fat cats been solicited? What about the guy (can't remember his name)
who spent $20,000,000 to visit the ISS for a week. It would seem that he is
a prime candidate. Has he been contacted?
Has FEMA been solicited re the potential Rideshare offers?
It's up to the AMSAT leadership to make such solicitations.
We raised $2,000,000 here in North America for P3D. We should be able to do
it again, despite the AO-40 disaster.
These are my thoughts.
73,
Bill Tynan, W3XO, LM-10
AMSAT President 1991 - 1998"
On 7/21/2020 12:53 AM, Howie DeFelice wrote:
Hello Joe,
I agree that a ride share, or hosted payload as it's referred to in the
industry, would be an excellent way to get to GEO. That said, the realities
are very different than they were for QO-100. The host satellite for QO-100
is owned by a state run (or sponsored) entity. They don't have shareholders
and corporate governance to deal with. This does not mean an amateur radio
payload would be excluded from a satellite over the U.S., it just means we
would have to pay our way. Just like QO-100, we would be required to let the
spacecraft provider or other certified entity manufacture and test the
payload. This all adds additional expense. If we had a compelling proposal
for a payload that proved technology that might also be useful to the
satellite operator, like the P4 regenerative digital transponder, there is a
CHANCE we could get some subsidy. Commercial satellite operators are
extremely risk adverse and even more budget conscious. The market rates are
always moving and it has been a
long time since this alternative has been considered. Bob McGuire, Jeff
John's and myself are committed to evaluate ALL avenues to higher orbit.
Howie AB2S
________________________________
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<amsat-bb@?????.???><mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Elections HEO QO-100' Linear NB + Digital WB
K4SAT here.
I am intrigued about QO-100 and have monitored it here in Florida by
remote WEB SDR access. I have not been active in the years since AO-40
failed and have been eager to see some HEO operations like I enjoyed
from AO-10 and AO-13. Listening to QO-100 has rekindled that interest.
Last month on AMSAT-BB I posed the question about getting a GEO ride
share with a commercial satellite, something that was considered 12
years ago with Intelsat. Having a QO-100 type transponder here CONUS
would grow the hobby and get folks like me active again (and
contributing sums as I did for AO-40). However, the "old guard" shot my
idea down for the usual reasons. (See my threads last month).
Having a QO-100 type transponder with a hybrid of narrow band linear
side and wide band digital side would open up a lot of opportunities for
operations, public service and experimentation. I hope the new "slate"
of BOD will consider this type of project as a priority.
Personally, I think GOLF has not achieved results fast enough to getting
us a larger footprint. I am not advocating scrapping of that effort, but
sometimes you have to jump ahead of the project and grab what is needed.
73 Joe
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 23:32:32 -0400
From: "Daniel Schultz" <n8fgv@???.???>
To: <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Elections HEO QO-100' Linear NB + Digital WB
Message-ID: <341yguDfG4128Set.1595302352@?????.???.???.???>
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Yes, we once had a deal with Intelsat until it fell through. More recently we
had a deal with the US Air Force and one of its contractors, until that also
fell through. The reason we don't have a western hemisphere transponder in GEO
is not because the "old guard" wants to shoot it down, but because these types
of deals are very difficult to pull off in a market driven economy such as the
US satellite industry.
QO-100 was hosted on a satellite built for a royal government which is not
responsible to stockholders, a government in which an amateur radio operator
held a high position of influence. A US based company would have to answer to
Wall Street analysts to explain why they are giving away money that could have
been paid out in stock dividends.
Changing the BOD membership will not alter any of these facts. It is not
because we haven't asked the powers that be, and not because we are reluctant
to "jump ahead of the project and grab what is needed". Space is Hard, and all
the wishful thinking in the world is not going to change that.
73, Dan Schultz N8FGV
> I am intrigued about QO-100 and have monitored it here in Florida by
> remote WEB SDR access. I have not been active in the years since AO-40
> failed and have been eager to see some HEO operations like I enjoyed
> from AO-10 and AO-13. Listening to QO-100 has rekindled that interest.
>
> Last month on AMSAT-BB I posed the question about getting a GEO ride
> share with a commercial satellite, something that was considered 12
> years ago with Intelsat. Having a QO-100 type transponder here CONUS
> would grow the hobby and get folks like me active again (and
> contributing sums as I did for AO-40). However, the "old guard" shot
> my idea down for the usual reasons. (See my threads last month).
>
> Having a QO-100 type transponder with a hybrid of narrow band linear
> side and wide band digital side would open up a lot of opportunities
> for operations, public service and experimentation.?? I hope the new
> "slate" of BOD will consider this type of project as a priority.
>
> Personally, I think GOLF has not achieved results fast enough to
> getting us a larger footprint. I am not advocating scrapping of that
> effort, but sometimes you have to jump ahead of the project and grab
> what is needed.
>
> 73 Joe
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 08:21:49 -0500
From: <tjschuessler@???????.???>
To: <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] FW: Expo Contact Form Message
Message-ID: <007f01d65f61$e4bd0e70$ae372b50$@???????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Hey guys, so there is this "Virtual Ham Radio Expo" on August 8th and 9th
with a lot of exhibitors and a lot of virtual presenters. I noted that
there was no "Getting Started" type of satellite presentation. I threw
something out to the BB a week ago and aside from a response from Michelle,
nothing else.
We are so caught up in our controversies, that we seem to be forgetting that
there are a whole lot of people who just want to learn about this
fascinating aspect of our hobby. If we don't watch it, WE WILL DRIVE THEM
AWAY FROM THE ORGANIZATION!
Read Eric's email below. I am not the guy to produce a compelling "Getting
Started" video, but I would like to work with someone who thinks they have
one, and I would partner with them for the Q and A sessions. The deadline
here is Saturday of this week.
Lets make this happen!
From: Eric 4Z1UG <eric@????????.???>
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 11:40 PM
To: tjschuessler@???????.???
Subject: Re: Expo Contact Form Message
Dear Thomas,
You are right, there is no AMSAT representation in this Expo this time
around. AMSAT does not have a booth, and none of the potential speakers
replied to my invitations.
If you have an excellent 20 to 30 minute video about AMSAT that you can send
to me before Saturday, I will include it into a speaker Slot and give you a
Q&A spot just after its first showing. Otherwise, we will do this again in
March 2021 and hopefully someone from AMSAT will contact me.
73,
Eric, 4Z1UG
Eric Guth
Tel: +1-213-577-0091
http://www.qsotoday.com
http://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com
On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 5:36 AM <mailto:eric@????????.???> wrote:
I am an AMSAT member and part of the Ambassadors program who take AMSAT
presentations to hamests and clubs. I noted that there are NO presentations
relating to Amateur Radio in Space except the one on QO-100. Unfortunately,
that is a satellite opportunity not available to western hemisphere
stations. I sent an email out to the AMSAT mail reflextor and got no direct
response from anyone else interested in presenting for your event. Is it
too late to get presentation slots? I would like to do an Intro to
satellites presentation. Please let me know if someone else has approached
yo about this. If so, that is fine, but I see nothign in your topics list
and so would be willing to put myself forward to do it. Looking forward to
hearing from you.
Thomas Schuessler N5HYP
2144031464
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 14:28:20 +0000
From: Howie DeFelice <howied231@???????.???>
To: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>, Daniel Schultz
<n8fgv@???.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Elections HEO QO-100' Linear NB + Digital WB
Message-ID:
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Dan, I agree with you completely that the reality of the market is not going
to change and we can't expect a hand out like QO-100 got. We can change how
we pursue our goal in light of the existing conditions. To do that requires
a change in leadership that is willing to make hard decisions that may not
be popular at first but necessary in the long term.
At the 2014 Symposium, Jan King gave a inspiring talk about the ways to get
to HEO which he followed up with a special meeting the following day with
the AMSAT president. You were there Dan. This meeting layed out a proposal
for a 6U cubesat in a GTO orbit. The meeting was attended by some of the
most experienced engineering talent ever to be part of AMSAT. The pitch was
made and rejected by the board. Many of these people are still on the board.
The majority of that talent has left in frustration and six years later we
are trying to catch up to where we were 20 years ago. It's the old
definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over and expecting
different results.
Howie
________________________________
From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???> on behalf of Daniel Schultz via
AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 11:32:32 PM
To: amsat-bb@?????.??? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Elections HEO QO-100' Linear NB + Digital WB
Yes, we once had a deal with Intelsat until it fell through. More recently we
had a deal with the US Air Force and one of its contractors, until that also
fell through. The reason we don't have a western hemisphere transponder in GEO
is not because the "old guard" wants to shoot it down, but because these types
of deals are very difficult to pull off in a market driven economy such as the
US satellite industry.
QO-100 was hosted on a satellite built for a royal government which is not
responsible to stockholders, a government in which an amateur radio operator
held a high position of influence. A US based company would have to answer to
Wall Street analysts to explain why they are giving away money that could have
been paid out in stock dividends.
Changing the BOD membership will not alter any of these facts. It is not
because we haven't asked the powers that be, and not because we are reluctant
to "jump ahead of the project and grab what is needed". Space is Hard, and all
the wishful thinking in the world is not going to change that.
73, Dan Schultz N8FGV
> I am intrigued about QO-100 and have monitored it here in Florida by
> remote WEB SDR access. I have not been active in the years since AO-40
> failed and have been eager to see some HEO operations like I enjoyed
> from AO-10 and AO-13. Listening to QO-100 has rekindled that interest.
>
> Last month on AMSAT-BB I posed the question about getting a GEO ride
> share with a commercial satellite, something that was considered 12
> years ago with Intelsat. Having a QO-100 type transponder here CONUS
> would grow the hobby and get folks like me active again (and
> contributing sums as I did for AO-40). However, the "old guard" shot
> my idea down for the usual reasons. (See my threads last month).
>
> Having a QO-100 type transponder with a hybrid of narrow band linear
> side and wide band digital side would open up a lot of opportunities
> for operations, public service and experimentation.?? I hope the new
> "slate" of BOD will consider this type of project as a priority.
>
> Personally, I think GOLF has not achieved results fast enough to
> getting us a larger footprint. I am not advocating scrapping of that
> effort, but sometimes you have to jump ahead of the project and grab
> what is needed.
>
> 73 Joe
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 14:43:41 +0000 (UTC)
From: Brennan Price <brennanprice@???????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Because I am being asked
Message-ID: <329555957.4128514.1595342621290@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Out of necessity to determine a fixed voter list and in accordance with
previous announcements, the voter list was invariantly determined on the
basis of memberships in good standing on July 1. Membership in good standing
on that date is the criterion I will use in determining whether to issue
replacement or original ballots.
73,
Brennan Price, N4QX
Secretary, Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 10:55:20 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: Tom Lubbers K8TL <k8tl@?????????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] SSB Electronics
Message-ID:
<885298534.2548.1595343321447@????????????.???.??.?????????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Has SSB electronics went belly up? All of my recent attempts end up at dead
ends. A few weeks ago I saw some inquiries about the FUN CUBE dongle. I
have 2 of them sitting here gathering dust!!
Stay safe and healthy.
Tom K8TL
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 09:58:18 -0500
From: Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Because I am being asked
Message-ID: <901f8e60-b912-a524-f8fa-717e73014f89@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
On 07/21/20 09:43, Brennan Price via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Out of necessity to determine a fixed voter list and in accordance with
previous announcements, the voter list was invariantly determined on the
basis of memberships in good standing on July 1. Membership in good standing
on that date is the criterion I will use in determining whether to issue
replacement or original ballots.
Hello Brennan-
Is there a mechanism whereby a voter could check that their ballot was
received by AMSAT? This would not include the choices on the ballot,
just that it was received.
I imagine this could be part of the launch.amsat.org interface, but I
don't really know.
If not for this year, could this be implemented for the next voting season?
Thanks,
--- Zach
N0ZGO
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 10:58:28 -0400
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@????.???>
To: Howie DeFelice <howied231@???????.???>
Cc: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>, Daniel Schultz
<n8fgv@???.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Elections HEO QO-100' Linear NB + Digital WB
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Howie,
I believe your premise that the pitch was outright rejected by the
Board is misleading. Although their proposal to submit for a CSLI
launch in November 2014 was not adopted at the time, we have adopted
the approach of returning to HEO through a CubeSat in GTO through the
GOLF program. We have many talented engineers working on that project.
I believe that work on that project has progressed to such a point
where we can make a big push to execute this within the next few
years. As a Director, I will push for an aggressive fundraising
program to make this happen.
Unfortunately some have proposed canceling the GOLF program, including
one Director who nominated you. This would be a disastrous mistake
that would scuttle both our relationship with NASA and all the
progress our excellent engineering team has made over the past three
years.
73,
Paul Stoetzer, N8HM
Executive Vice President
AMSAT
On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 10:29 AM Howie DeFelice via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> Dan, I agree with you completely that the reality of the market is not
going to change and we can't expect a hand out like QO-100 got. We can
change how we pursue our goal in light of the existing conditions. To do
that requires a change in leadership that is willing to make hard decisions
that may not be popular at first but necessary in the long term.
>
> At the 2014 Symposium, Jan King gave a inspiring talk about the ways to
get to HEO which he followed up with a special meeting the following day
with the AMSAT president. You were there Dan. This meeting layed out a
proposal for a 6U cubesat in a GTO orbit. The meeting was attended by some
of the most experienced engineering talent ever to be part of AMSAT. The
pitch was made and rejected by the board. Many of these people are still on
the board. The majority of that talent has left in frustration and six years
later we are trying to catch up to where we were 20 years ago. It's the old
definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over and expecting
different results.
>
> Howie
> ________________________________
> From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???> on behalf of Daniel Schultz
via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 11:32:32 PM
> To: amsat-bb@?????.??? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Elections HEO QO-100' Linear NB + Digital WB
>
> Yes, we once had a deal with Intelsat until it fell through. More recently
we
> had a deal with the US Air Force and one of its contractors, until that also
> fell through. The reason we don't have a western hemisphere transponder in
GEO
> is not because the "old guard" wants to shoot it down, but because these
types
> of deals are very difficult to pull off in a market driven economy such as
the
> US satellite industry.
>
> QO-100 was hosted on a satellite built for a royal government which is not
> responsible to stockholders, a government in which an amateur radio operator
> held a high position of influence. A US based company would have to answer
to
> Wall Street analysts to explain why they are giving away money that could
have
> been paid out in stock dividends.
>
> Changing the BOD membership will not alter any of these facts. It is not
> because we haven't asked the powers that be, and not because we are
reluctant
> to "jump ahead of the project and grab what is needed". Space is Hard, and
all
> the wishful thinking in the world is not going to change that.
>
> 73, Dan Schultz N8FGV
>
> > I am intrigued about QO-100 and have monitored it here in Florida by
> > remote WEB SDR access. I have not been active in the years since AO-40
> > failed and have been eager to see some HEO operations like I enjoyed
> > from AO-10 and AO-13. Listening to QO-100 has rekindled that interest.
> >
> > Last month on AMSAT-BB I posed the question about getting a GEO ride
> > share with a commercial satellite, something that was considered 12
> > years ago with Intelsat. Having a QO-100 type transponder here CONUS
> > would grow the hobby and get folks like me active again (and
> > contributing sums as I did for AO-40). However, the "old guard" shot
> > my idea down for the usual reasons. (See my threads last month).
> >
> > Having a QO-100 type transponder with a hybrid of narrow band linear
> > side and wide band digital side would open up a lot of opportunities
> > for operations, public service and experimentation.?? I hope the new
> > "slate" of BOD will consider this type of project as a priority.
> >
> > Personally, I think GOLF has not achieved results fast enough to
> > getting us a larger footprint. I am not advocating scrapping of that
> > effort, but sometimes you have to jump ahead of the project and grab
> > what is needed.
> >
> > 73 Joe
>
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 08:36:22 -0700
From: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle@?????.???>
To: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@????.???>
Cc: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>, Daniel Schultz
<n8fgv@???.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Elections HEO QO-100' Linear NB + Digital WB
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No one has proposed cancelling GOLF.
Howie has been a board alternate over the past year, and knows that what
you have said is not true.
We can afford to fully fund either the office and an employee, or fully
fund GOLF, if and only if we save some significant money by digitizing the
Journal. I presented a paper about this to the board in early spring.
Without any board meetings, there have been no proposals since the motions
made in March about the bylaws committee (hasn?t met yet), formal support
of AREx by AMSAT, and the PPP loan.
If there had been a proposal to cancel GOLF you better believe it would be
in the minutes, and If it had come from me then I would have written an
article about it for the Journal with a solid alternative replacement and a
funding plan.
The board did indeed reject the proposal Howie is talking about. It
disappointed a lot of people.
-Michelle W5NYV
On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 08:19 Paul Stoetzer via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> Howie,
>
> I believe your premise that the pitch was outright rejected by the
> Board is misleading. Although their proposal to submit for a CSLI
> launch in November 2014 was not adopted at the time, we have adopted
> the approach of returning to HEO through a CubeSat in GTO through the
> GOLF program. We have many talented engineers working on that project.
> I believe that work on that project has progressed to such a point
> where we can make a big push to execute this within the next few
> years. As a Director, I will push for an aggressive fundraising
> program to make this happen.
>
> Unfortunately some have proposed canceling the GOLF program, including
> one Director who nominated you. This would be a disastrous mistake
> that would scuttle both our relationship with NASA and all the
> progress our excellent engineering team has made over the past three
> years.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul Stoetzer, N8HM
> Executive Vice President
> AMSAT
>
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 10:29 AM Howie DeFelice via AMSAT-BB
> <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> >
> > Dan, I agree with you completely that the reality of the market is not
> going to change and we can't expect a hand out like QO-100 got. We can
> change how we pursue our goal in light of the existing conditions. To do
> that requires a change in leadership that is willing to make hard decisions
> that may not be popular at first but necessary in the long term.
> >
> > At the 2014 Symposium, Jan King gave a inspiring talk about the ways to
> get to HEO which he followed up with a special meeting the following day
> with the AMSAT president. You were there Dan. This meeting layed out a
> proposal for a 6U cubesat in a GTO orbit. The meeting was attended by some
> of the most experienced engineering talent ever to be part of AMSAT. The
> pitch was made and rejected by the board. Many of these people are still on
> the board. The majority of that talent has left in frustration and six
> years later we are trying to catch up to where we were 20 years ago. It's
> the old definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over and
> expecting different results.
> >
> > Howie
> > ________________________________
> > From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???> on behalf of Daniel Schultz
> via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 11:32:32 PM
> > To: amsat-bb@?????.??? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Elections HEO QO-100' Linear NB + Digital WB
> >
> > Yes, we once had a deal with Intelsat until it fell through. More
> recently we
> > had a deal with the US Air Force and one of its contractors, until that
> also
> > fell through. The reason we don't have a western hemisphere transponder
> in GEO
> > is not because the "old guard" wants to shoot it down, but because these
> types
> > of deals are very difficult to pull off in a market driven economy such
> as the
> > US satellite industry.
> >
> > QO-100 was hosted on a satellite built for a royal government which is
> not
> > responsible to stockholders, a government in which an amateur radio
> operator
> > held a high position of influence. A US based company would have to
> answer to
> > Wall Street analysts to explain why they are giving away money that
> could have
> > been paid out in stock dividends.
> >
> > Changing the BOD membership will not alter any of these facts. It is not
> > because we haven't asked the powers that be, and not because we are
> reluctant
> > to "jump ahead of the project and grab what is needed". Space is Hard,
> and all
> > the wishful thinking in the world is not going to change that.
> >
> > 73, Dan Schultz N8FGV
> >
> > > I am intrigued about QO-100 and have monitored it here in Florida by
> > > remote WEB SDR access. I have not been active in the years since AO-40
> > > failed and have been eager to see some HEO operations like I enjoyed
> > > from AO-10 and AO-13. Listening to QO-100 has rekindled that interest.
> > >
> > > Last month on AMSAT-BB I posed the question about getting a GEO ride
> > > share with a commercial satellite, something that was considered 12
> > > years ago with Intelsat. Having a QO-100 type transponder here CONUS
> > > would grow the hobby and get folks like me active again (and
> > > contributing sums as I did for AO-40). However, the "old guard" shot
> > > my idea down for the usual reasons. (See my threads last month).
> > >
> > > Having a QO-100 type transponder with a hybrid of narrow band linear
> > > side and wide band digital side would open up a lot of opportunities
> > > for operations, public service and experimentation.?? I hope the new
> > > "slate" of BOD will consider this type of project as a priority.
> > >
> > > Personally, I think GOLF has not achieved results fast enough to
> > > getting us a larger footprint. I am not advocating scrapping of that
> > > effort, but sometimes you have to jump ahead of the project and grab
> > > what is needed.
> > >
> > > 73 Joe
> >
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"Potestatem obscuri lateris nescis."
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