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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Elections HEO QO-100' Linear NB + Digital WB (Bruce Perens)
2. Re: Because I am being asked (Zach Metzinger)
3. Re: Dual band cavity filter? (GEO Badger)
4. Re: Dual band cavity filter? (Robert Bruninga)
5. LVB Tracker vs. Yeasu GS-232B (Robert MacHale)
6. Re: LVB Tracker vs. Yeasu GS-232B (lu9cbl@?????.????
7. Re: LVB Tracker vs. Yeasu GS-232B (Rich Gopstein)
8. Re: LVB Tracker vs. Yeasu GS-232B (Bill Booth)
9. Re: LVB Tracker vs. Yeasu GS-232B (EDWARD KROME)
10. Re: LVB Tracker vs. Yeasu GS-232B (aj9n@???.????
11. My Ballot arrived - Now what? Something to consider.
(john@??????.????
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 14:28:23 -0700
From: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
To: Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Elections HEO QO-100' Linear NB + Digital WB
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As it happens, Applied Ion is reporting partial success with a thruster
design today: https://twitter.com/Applied_Ion
His cost per thruster is much closer to Zach's $100. Two thrusters of a
previous design of his are scheduled to fly on the AMSAT-EA Genesis
satellites, NET September. These are Open Source designs.
Thanks
Bruce
On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 2:02 PM Zach Metzinger via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> On 07/21/20 15:33, Dave Hartzell via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > Lots of interesting stuff going on with electric propulsion.... it may
> be
> > slow, but it's a cost effective way to raise an orbit.
> >
> > https://www.enpulsion.com/technology/
> >
> > Online ordering available!
>
> I, too, would love to see electric propulsion on one of AMSAT's birds.
> However, it is not as simple as "buy this off the shelf":
>
> - Power: One must also consider the 40W required at nominal thrust. This
> has implications for generation (solar cell area/efficiency required),
> management (circuit board space & heat dissipation), and storage (battery).
>
> - Physical integration: How big is it and how much does it weigh?
>
> - Control: The algorithms to alter one's orbit in space are known, but
> much planning, coding, and testing is needed to make sure money isn't
> wasted by doing something that causes early de-orbit.
>
> - Testing: Where does AMSAT obtain the testing facilities necessary to
> ensure proper operation, or even inclusion in the launch manifest,
> should the ride provider dictate it.
>
> All of these problems are solvable with enough time, appropriate funding
> for all aspects of the project, and motivated, knowledgeable volunteers.
>
> As for the basic cost of the the thruster: I'll chip in $100. We need
> only 489 more people, roughly, to do the same.
>
> Who's with me?
>
> --- Zach
> N0ZGO
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:-)
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:29:33 -0500
From: Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Because I am being asked
Message-ID: <b3a24f1d-c908-e241-6a48-3b0a4bd11fe9@?????.???>
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On 07/21/20 16:21, Brennan Price via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> I will be checking returned ballots against the voter list as they are
returned as an aid to determine who might be eligible for a replacement
ballot come August 12. The voter list is static while the membership portal
is dynamic, so I'm dealing with the accounting separately.
>
> With the caveat that my ability to accommodate requests to verify receipt
will be inversely proportional to the number of requests I receive, members
may feel free to ask.
>
> Without committing future leadership to a course of action, your
suggestion is among several ideals that are worthwhile.
Brennan,
Thanks!
Just to be clear to the entire list, I have full trust in AMSAT's
handling of ballots, but my trust in the USPS not to misplace my ballot
for an indeterminate amount of time is somewhat less. :-)
--- Zach
N0ZGO
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 21:53:49 +0000 (UTC)
From: GEO Badger <w3ab@?????.???>
To: amsat bb <amsat-bb@?????.???>, Robert Bruninga <bruninga@????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Dual band cavity filter?
Message-ID: <965077905.5162526.1595368429990@????.?????.???>
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Bob,
You've stirred, not shaken, some ideas in my pea brain. 2 band/1 input
in-out is the difficult part. That's why it's expensive. Of course the
machining adds cost too.
How about 2 band/1 input- 2 outputs?
---?
Ciao baby, catch you on the flip side??
73 de W3AB/GEO ???
http://www.w3ab.org
You can say "over", you can say "out", you just can't say "over and out".
On Monday, July 20, 2020, 06:37:48 AM PDT, Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
Many of us use dual band radios but when operating on mountains or hills we
need a front end cavity filter.? The DCI dual band helical filter is ideal
but I just learned it is $530!
I'm starting to visualize? a cavity filter made out of a piece of aluminum
drain pipe.? With a capacitive screw at the top for tuning VHF and a
smaller one about 1/3rd the way up for UHF.
My theory is that the lower UHF capacitance will be at a UHF high-Z point
and will tune the UHF nicely and the one at the top will tune the VHF
nicely.? Of course with very much interaction.
Unfortunately for our annual Golden Packet Event, the 3rd harmonic of our
APRS VHF operating frequency is at 432 and our use of APRS UHF talking freq
at 445.925 is quite away away.
Maybe if such a single cavity design could work, we could use the event's
UHF voice coordination frequency closer to the 3rd harmonic to make the
filter easier or possible to tune dual band? (Though we night then also
Desense voice with every packet).
I want it to buildable from Home Depot and common tools.? Wont be as good
as the $530 DCI filter, but maybe close enough for our event.
It wont be robust and it wont be quality, but might work for us AND amsat
dual band operators in the field.
my big assumption is that a 1/4 wave cavity filter will also work on its
3rd harmonic?? We only need to knock down QRM to prevent desense.
Anyone have cheaper than $530 solutions?
Bob
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 19:30:41 -0400
From: Robert Bruninga <bruninga@????.???>
To: GEO Badger <w3ab@?????.???>
Cc: amsat bb <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Dual band cavity filter?
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1-in 2-out is fallback but only if impossible for 1 in and 1 out.
Do you think if we make the UHF closer to the 3rd harmonic of the VHF that
we can make it work with one cavity?
I assume that due to stray effects that the UHF peak will NOT be exactly
the 3rd harmonic so there can be some isolation maybe.
Since the radio is dual band full duplex, I wonder if it can protect itself
if one TX on vhf and RX on 3rd harmonic. ALl that power into the UHF front
end?
I'd start building but just today in my Chemo saga, my right arm is
almost useless I have to move my right hand from mouse to keyboard with
my left hand. So whipping up something is a dream at this point. This has
come on suddenly...
Bob
P
On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 5:53 PM GEO Badger <w3ab@?????.???> wrote:
> Bob,
>
> You've stirred, not shaken, some ideas in my pea brain. 2 band/1 input
> in-out is the difficult part. That's why it's expensive. Of course the
> machining adds cost too.
>
> How about 2 band/1 input- 2 outputs?
>
> ---
> Ciao baby, catch you on the flip side
>
> 73 de W3AB/GEO
>
> http://www.w3ab.org
>
> You can say "over", you can say "out", you just can't say "over and out".
>
>
> On Monday, July 20, 2020, 06:37:48 AM PDT, Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
>
> Many of us use dual band radios but when operating on mountains or hills we
> need a front end cavity filter. The DCI dual band helical filter is ideal
> but I just learned it is $530!
>
> I'm starting to visualize a cavity filter made out of a piece of aluminum
> drain pipe. With a capacitive screw at the top for tuning VHF and a
> smaller one about 1/3rd the way up for UHF.
>
> My theory is that the lower UHF capacitance will be at a UHF high-Z point
> and will tune the UHF nicely and the one at the top will tune the VHF
> nicely. Of course with very much interaction.
>
> Unfortunately for our annual Golden Packet Event, the 3rd harmonic of our
> APRS VHF operating frequency is at 432 and our use of APRS UHF talking freq
> at 445.925 is quite away away.
>
> Maybe if such a single cavity design could work, we could use the event's
> UHF voice coordination frequency closer to the 3rd harmonic to make the
> filter easier or possible to tune dual band (Though we night then also
> Desense voice with every packet).
>
> I want it to buildable from Home Depot and common tools. Wont be as good
> as the $530 DCI filter, but maybe close enough for our event.
>
> It wont be robust and it wont be quality, but might work for us AND amsat
> dual band operators in the field.
>
> my big assumption is that a 1/4 wave cavity filter will also work on its
> 3rd harmonic? We only need to knock down QRM to prevent desense.
>
> Anyone have cheaper than $530 solutions?
>
> Bob
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 00:24:18 +0000 (UTC)
From: Robert MacHale <robert.machale@?????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] LVB Tracker vs. Yeasu GS-232B
Message-ID: <1712891565.5238819.1595377458391@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
What is the status of the LVB Tracker - I notice it was once promoted by
AmSat, but is currently out of stock.
The Yeasu GS-232B feels a little over priced at $589.
What is the current recommendation for connecting the Yeasu G-5500 to
tracking software?
[1] For reference, AmSat:?https://www.amsat.org/product/lvb-tracker-complete/
[2] For reference, HRO:?https://www.hamradio.com/detail.cfm?pid=H0-002778
73
Robert MacHale
. KE6BLR Ham Radio License
.?http://www.aprsat.com/predict
.?http://www.spaceCommunicator.club?
. Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space Exploration
Silly Joke:?What did the little mountain say to the bigger mountain? Hi Cliff!
He who dares not offend cannot be honest. -- Thomas Paine
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 21:45:15 -0300
From: "lu9cbl@?????.???? <lu9cbl@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] LVB Tracker vs. Yeasu GS-232B
Message-ID: <d5114e9c-c3a2-909f-528e-58844f637d19@?????.???>
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do you know Arduino with K3NG software??? its great and really cheap and
easy to build, use, config.
73s
Mati LU9CBL
El 21/7/2020 a las 21:24, Robert MacHale via AMSAT-BB escribi?:
> What is the status of the LVB Tracker - I notice it was once promoted by
AmSat, but is currently out of stock.
>
> The Yeasu GS-232B feels a little over priced at $589.
>
> What is the current recommendation for connecting the Yeasu G-5500 to
tracking software?
>
> [1] For reference,
AmSat:?https://www.amsat.org/product/lvb-tracker-complete/
> [2] For reference, HRO:?https://www.hamradio.com/detail.cfm?pid=H0-002778
>
> 73
>
> Robert MacHale
> . KE6BLR Ham Radio License
> .?http://www.aprsat.com/predict
> .?http://www.spaceCommunicator.club
> . Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space
Exploration
>
> Silly Joke:?What did the little mountain say to the bigger mountain? Hi
Cliff!
>
> He who dares not offend cannot be honest. -- Thomas Paine
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 20:54:56 -0400
From: Rich Gopstein <rich@????????????.???>
To: Robert MacHale <robert.machale@?????.???>
Cc: Amsat - BBs <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] LVB Tracker vs. Yeasu GS-232B
Message-ID:
<CANsNeao7_cRCkcOLJ0xu4G8CQJy9k7bz-9BMikCOkndYe9WzvA@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
I also built an arduino-based K3NG controller. It's a good option if you
don't mind doing a little homebrewing.
Rich, KD2CQ
On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 8:47 PM lu9cbl--- via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> do you know Arduino with K3NG software??? its great and really cheap and
> easy to build, use, config.
>
> 73s
>
> Mati LU9CBL
>
>
> El 21/7/2020 a las 21:24, Robert MacHale via AMSAT-BB escribi?:
> > What is the status of the LVB Tracker - I notice it was once promoted by
> AmSat, but is currently out of stock.
> >
> > The Yeasu GS-232B feels a little over priced at $589.
> >
> > What is the current recommendation for connecting the Yeasu G-5500 to
> tracking software?
> >
> > [1] For reference, AmSat:
> https://www.amsat.org/product/lvb-tracker-complete/
> > [2] For reference, HRO:
> https://www.hamradio.com/detail.cfm?pid=H0-002778
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Robert MacHale
> > . KE6BLR Ham Radio License
> > . http://www.aprsat.com/predict
> > . http://www.spaceCommunicator.club
> > . Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space
> Exploration
> >
> > Silly Joke: What did the little mountain say to the bigger mountain? Hi
> Cliff!
> >
> > He who dares not offend cannot be honest. -- Thomas Paine
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
> --
> El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico en
> busca de virus.
> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 21:30:35 -0400
From: Bill Booth <ve3nxk@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] LVB Tracker vs. Yeasu GS-232B
Message-ID: <33e210f7-a34e-2d50-0175-0c3691a9a463@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
On 2020-07-21 8:24 p.m., Robert MacHale via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> current recommendation for connecting the Yeasu G-5500
I looked at this one before getting the AMSAT LVB version.
http://www.foxdelta.com/products/st2-0417.htm
--
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 21:39:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: EDWARD KROME <e.krome@???????.???>
To: Robert MacHale <robert.machale@?????.???>, Robert MacHale via
AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] LVB Tracker vs. Yeasu GS-232B
Message-ID: <1975303162.69312.1595381977134@???????.???????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
I use both FoxDelta ST2 and LVB, built from a kit from AMSAT-UK. No
performance difference.
Ed K9EK
> On 07/21/2020 8:24 PM Robert MacHale via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
>
>
> What is the status of the LVB Tracker - I notice it was once promoted by
AmSat, but is currently out of stock.
>
> The Yeasu GS-232B feels a little over priced at $589.
>
> What is the current recommendation for connecting the Yeasu G-5500 to
tracking software?
>
> [1] For reference,
AmSat:?https://www.amsat.org/product/lvb-tracker-complete/
> [2] For reference, HRO:?https://www.hamradio.com/detail.cfm?pid=H0-002778
>
> 73
>
> Robert MacHale
> . KE6BLR Ham Radio License
> .?http://www.aprsat.com/predict
> .?http://www.spaceCommunicator.club?
> . Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space
Exploration
>
> Silly Joke:?What did the little mountain say to the bigger mountain? Hi
Cliff!
>
> He who dares not offend cannot be honest. -- Thomas Paine
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 01:46:47 +0000 (UTC)
From: aj9n@???.???
To: robert.machale@?????.???? amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] LVB Tracker vs. Yeasu GS-232B
Message-ID: <524462590.3689329.1595382407014@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
I would look into getting the Labjack U12 or U3.? SatPC32 has the schematic
for the "piggyback" that goes between the Labjack and the control box.
Labjack:
https://labjack.com/products/u12
https://labjack.com/products/u3
The piggybacks:
http://www.dk1tb.de/lj_piggyback.JPG
http://www.dk1tb.de/lj_piggyback_u3.JPG
I have used the U12; it works great.? Something to consider.
73,Charlie Sufana AJ9NOne of the ARISS mentors
In a message dated 2020-07-21 20:25:25 Eastern Standard Time,
amsat-bb@?????.??? writes:
What is the status of the LVB Tracker - I notice it was once promoted by
AmSat, but is currently out of stock.
The Yeasu GS-232B feels a little over priced at $589.
What is the current recommendation for connecting the Yeasu G-5500 to
tracking software?
[1] For reference,
AmSat:?https://www.amsat.org/product/lvb-tracker-complete/[2] For reference,
HRO:?https://www.hamradio.com/detail.cfm?pid=H0-002778
73
Robert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio
License.?http://www.aprsat.com/predict.?http://www.spaceCommunicator.club
. Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space Exploration
Silly Joke:?What did the little mountain say to the bigger mountain? Hi Cliff!
He who dares not offend cannot be honest. -- Thomas
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 22:36:19 -0400
From: john@??????.???
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] My Ballot arrived - Now what? Something to
consider.
Message-ID: <4a9b3a4d89d091e19cc5b013558b3c85@??????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
One of my ham radio friends asked me a few weeks ago, "What is going on
with AMSAT?" It's nothing short of an all out civil war. And it is
nasty and it's tearing us apart.
With so many posts and so many twists and turns, it is hard to determine
the root cause of the War. You have to stand way back to have any
chance of finding out. If you take the time, the real issues becomes
clear.
The War on the amsat-bb seemed to subside a few days ago when members
started talking about the ballots they were receiving in the mail.
Maybe the thought was, if I just cast my vote, the problem will go away.
Nothing could be farther from the truth. Patrick and Michelle are not
on the ballot and they will still be on the Board after the election is
over.
My ballot and the candidate's statements arrived yesterday. And so did
the oversize postcard sent out by 3 of the candidates. I read the
statements and have been reading the candidate's comments on other
social media platforms. Some of the candidates talked about some of
the War issues. Some said they would like to see regular Board
meetings. One candidate posted that he would cast the third vote
required to demand General Board meetings be held regularly! That's
about as bold as it gets in the candidate's statements. The same person
promised to do some other things as well if elected; some helpful and
some not, in my opinion. But at least he said them..
A while back, a member made a post about who he would vote for. He
documented everyone's credentials, experience, past efforts with AMSAT
along with comments about personal interactions, if any. Those are good
things to consider. But what about the future? What issues does the
candidate deem important and how does he or she plan to deal with them?
To me. the most important issue for AMSAT is to find a way to bring our
Civil War to an end. And that would include negotiating an agreement
with all parties that will restore civility and respect for all members,
a culture that is open to all ideas regardless of who is suggesting
them, as much transparency as the law permits along with fiscal
responsibility and accountability. For the past week I've pondered how
to do this and came up with a plan that has a chance of working. But
I'm not running for a Board position (and never will) so I will defer to
the candidates to come up with their own ideas.
I challenge each candidate to address the issue and detail a plan to
deal with it. Forget the general statements. There are things that
must happen for the War to end. And if someone with a high school
education and few accomplishments can do it, all of you should be able
to solve this problem with ease. My vote will go to the candidates with
the best plans. I urge others to wait a bit before casting their votes.
Let's see what happens!
73, John K8YSE
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