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Today's Topics:
1. Re: My Ballot arrived - now what? (Clint Bradford)
2. Is This AMSAT's Future? (Clint Bradford)
3. Open Source Thruster (was: Elections HEO QO-100' Linear NB +
Digital WB) (Daniel Schultz)
4. Re: Is This AMSAT's Future? (W3AB/GEO)
5. Re: My Ballot arrived - Now what? Something to consider.
(Michelle Thompson)
6. Elections HEO QO-100' Linear NB + Digital WB (Joe Leikhim)
7. Re: Open Source Thruster (was: Elections HEO QO-100' Linear
NB + Digital WB) (Bruce Perens)
8. Re: Open Source Thruster (was: Elections HEO QO-100' Linear
NB + Digital WB) (Hans BX2ABT)
9. Re: Is This AMSAT's Future? (Clint Bradford)
10. Re: LVB Tracker vs. Yeasu GS-232B (Graham Shirville)
11. Re: My Ballot arrived - Now what? Something to consider. (Alan)
12. Re: My Ballot arrived - Now what? Something to consider.
(Michelle Thompson)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 20:15:20 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@???.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] My Ballot arrived - now what?
Message-ID: <186925ED-0CF4-4089-85A2-AB53DD3365CB@???.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
They?ll never do it.
Clint Bradford K6LCS
> On Jul 21, 2020, at 7:36 PM, amsat-bb-request@?????.??? wrote:
>
> I challenge each candidate to address the issue and detail a plan to
> deal with it.
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 20:24:12 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@???.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Is This AMSAT's Future?
Message-ID: <6578959B-B846-46E8-947C-A7354F3D430A@???.???>
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These new projects - seems like they are ?marketed? towards a very small
segment os satellite operators.
Is there truly a worthwhile ?return on investment" when a ground station
might have to include ?
? ? radio system is a 10 GHz downlink that will support 1 Mbps.
You'll need a 10 GHz antenna that can be steered to track a LEO
satellite and probably a low-noise block downconverter (LNB)
feeding an SDR. I think similar receivers are used for QO-100,
so a Google search may yield some designs that are currently
working, although QO-100 is nearly stationary ? ?
Feels like a very few hams will partake ? Exciting, indeed. But surely
not geared to the masses ?
Clint Bradford K6LCS
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 23:23:48 -0400
From: "Daniel Schultz" <n8fgv@???.???>
To: <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Open Source Thruster (was: Elections HEO QO-100'
Linear NB + Digital WB)
Message-ID: <792ygVDwW1744Set.1595388228@?????.???.???.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
I've been going to Electric Propulsion conferences for over a decade now, and
I always had a sneaking suspicion that I could build one of those things in my
garage, but then common sense takes over when I remind myself how long it
would take me to accomplish that. It looks like he is way ahead of me in
getting a vacuum system up and running.
One thing the twitter feed does not mention, where is Applied Ion located?
An open source electric thruster is a very key element in returning AMSAT to
HEO. Is there anything we can do to help him along?
Dan Schultz N8FGV
------ Original Message ------
>As it happens, Applied Ion is reporting partial success with a thruster
>design today: https://twitter.com/Applied_Ion
>His cost per thruster is much closer to Zach's $100. Two thrusters of a
>previous design of his are scheduled to fly on the AMSAT-EA Genesis
>satellites, NET September. These are Open Source designs.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 20:48:33 -0700
From: W3AB/GEO <w3ab@?????.???>
To: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@???.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Is This AMSAT's Future?
Message-ID: <fd153001-c5aa-45f0-bad3-adfb49fca5e9@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
This could very well be. Tech changes over time. IMHO, Hams need to change
over time to keep the hobby viable.
?___
Sent from my two way wrist watch
73 de W3AB/GEO?
On Jul 21, 2020, 20:26, at 20:26, Clint Bradford via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>These new projects - seems like they are ?marketed? towards a very
>small segment os satellite operators.
>
>Is there truly a worthwhile ?return on investment" when a ground
>station might have to include ?
>
> ? ? radio system is a 10 GHz downlink that will support 1 Mbps.
>You'll need a 10 GHz antenna that can be steered to track a LEO
>satellite and probably a low-noise block downconverter (LNB)
>feeding an SDR. I think similar receivers are used for QO-100,
>so a Google search may yield some designs that are currently
>working, although QO-100 is nearly stationary ? ?
>
>Feels like a very few hams will partake ? Exciting, indeed. But surely
>not geared to the masses ?
>
>Clint Bradford K6LCS
>_______________________________________________
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>to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>Opinions expressed
>are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>of AMSAT-NA.
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>program!
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 21:22:51 -0700
From: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle@?????.???>
To: john@??????.???
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] My Ballot arrived - Now what? Something to
consider.
Message-ID:
<CACvjz2XtO1ENAdtFviJz=D=458O+iyDG-ug9NTRAg4AkyLf6gg@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Thank you for sharing your feelings about this.
I strongly disagree that this is some sort of "war".
After being elected in 2019, Patrick and I were simply not allowed to
participate. We were denied access to corporate communications and records.
This was done by the majority members of the board, starting the day the
results were announced. Some of these problems continue to the present day.
Some of the people that did this are running for another term. When elected
representatives refuse to even meet with people that think differently than
they do, then something is very wrong. Refusing to hold board meetings
hurts AMSAT. The organization doesn't run itself.
Patrick and I have zero power and have caused zero harm. The only thing
we've brought to the party is sunlight.
"please elect people that will allow regular AMSAT board meetings" and
"please elect people that will not spend member money on secretly hired law
firms" is all we are asking for from the membership. This is not the
equivalent of "warfare". These things aren't even that controversial. We
just want to do our jobs. We need your help.
I am very sorry it's an uncomfortable subject. I honestly do not think you
would have preferred us to hide it for another year. I don't think you
would want all of us to do completely nothing for month after month because
the majority simply picked up the ball and walked off the field.
That's not a war. That's a forfeit.
-Michelle W5NYV
On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 7:40 PM john--- via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> One of my ham radio friends asked me a few weeks ago, "What is going on
> with AMSAT?" It's nothing short of an all out civil war. And it is
> nasty and it's tearing us apart.
>
> With so many posts and so many twists and turns, it is hard to determine
> the root cause of the War. You have to stand way back to have any
> chance of finding out. If you take the time, the real issues becomes
> clear.
>
> The War on the amsat-bb seemed to subside a few days ago when members
> started talking about the ballots they were receiving in the mail.
> Maybe the thought was, if I just cast my vote, the problem will go away.
> Nothing could be farther from the truth. Patrick and Michelle are not
> on the ballot and they will still be on the Board after the election is
> over.
>
> My ballot and the candidate's statements arrived yesterday. And so did
> the oversize postcard sent out by 3 of the candidates. I read the
> statements and have been reading the candidate's comments on other
> social media platforms. Some of the candidates talked about some of
> the War issues. Some said they would like to see regular Board
> meetings. One candidate posted that he would cast the third vote
> required to demand General Board meetings be held regularly! That's
> about as bold as it gets in the candidate's statements. The same person
> promised to do some other things as well if elected; some helpful and
> some not, in my opinion. But at least he said them..
>
> A while back, a member made a post about who he would vote for. He
> documented everyone's credentials, experience, past efforts with AMSAT
> along with comments about personal interactions, if any. Those are good
> things to consider. But what about the future? What issues does the
> candidate deem important and how does he or she plan to deal with them?
>
> To me. the most important issue for AMSAT is to find a way to bring our
> Civil War to an end. And that would include negotiating an agreement
> with all parties that will restore civility and respect for all members,
> a culture that is open to all ideas regardless of who is suggesting
> them, as much transparency as the law permits along with fiscal
> responsibility and accountability. For the past week I've pondered how
> to do this and came up with a plan that has a chance of working. But
> I'm not running for a Board position (and never will) so I will defer to
> the candidates to come up with their own ideas.
>
> I challenge each candidate to address the issue and detail a plan to
> deal with it. Forget the general statements. There are things that
> must happen for the War to end. And if someone with a high school
> education and few accomplishments can do it, all of you should be able
> to solve this problem with ease. My vote will go to the candidates with
> the best plans. I urge others to wait a bit before casting their votes.
> Let's see what happens!
>
> 73, John K8YSE
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:26:28 -0400
From: Joe Leikhim <rhyolite@???????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] Elections HEO QO-100' Linear NB + Digital WB
Message-ID: <4b99e274-6187-ebd4-06ee-c282001a0005@???????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
*No argument that launches to HEO cost money. Every launch costs money.
Has anyone tabulated launch costs for the last 10=15 years? Projecting
forward 10 years 10 satellite launches into LEO at $100K each is a
million dollars. This of course is made up, but has anyone looked at the
options of how to fund an HEO launch? If not why not? I get a sense that
AO-40 sort of put a damper on things, where instead we should have
dusted off and launched AO-41.*
*"Howie DeFelice*
howied231 at hotmail.com
<mailto:amsat-bb%40amsat.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5Bamsat-bb%5D%20Elections%20HEO%
20QO-100%27%20Linear%20NB%20%2B%20Digital%20WB&In-Reply-To=%3CMN2PR14MB3517642
671013610148975FAE7780%40MN2PR14MB3517.namprd14.prod.outlook.com%3E>
/Tue Jul 21 10:56:22 UTC 2020/
If Bill was still around I would ask him, I do miss him. There may be
some details in the corporate records but as an alternate board member I
don't have access to those archives. Perhaps some of the current board can
provide the details. My memory of what I heard was that Intelsat treated the
request as a commercial RFQ and we got the commercial price that was many
times the cost to orbit AO-40. Any new HEO satellite is going to require
huge amounts of money no matter what. The ability to raise funds will be the
MOST IMPORTANT part of getting a HEO satellite launched. Anybody who says
different does not know what they are talking about.
Howie AB2S"
--
Joe Leikhim
Leikhim and Associates
Communications Consultants
Oviedo, Florida
JLeikhim@???????.???
407-982-0446
WWW.LEIKHIM.COM
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 22:31:15 -0700
From: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
To: Daniel Schultz <n8fgv@???.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Open Source Thruster (was: Elections HEO
QO-100' Linear NB + Digital WB)
Message-ID:
<CAK2MWOuJiZMzvZpCZs5QgyEbCUQw8BkrF-LNYTy992fPuTapmw@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Michael (Applied Ion) has a full-time job for RPI in Troy, New York and
does this engine work in his spare time. I ran a recent fundraising to buy
him a roughing pump, which some people in this group contributed to. I
think he has a Patreon.
Thanks
Bruce
On Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 8:42 PM Daniel Schultz via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> I've been going to Electric Propulsion conferences for over a decade now,
> and
> I always had a sneaking suspicion that I could build one of those things
> in my
> garage, but then common sense takes over when I remind myself how long it
> would take me to accomplish that. It looks like he is way ahead of me in
> getting a vacuum system up and running.
>
> One thing the twitter feed does not mention, where is Applied Ion located?
>
> An open source electric thruster is a very key element in returning AMSAT
> to
> HEO. Is there anything we can do to help him along?
>
> Dan Schultz N8FGV
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> >As it happens, Applied Ion is reporting partial success with a thruster
> >design today: https://twitter.com/Applied_Ion
> >His cost per thruster is much closer to Zach's $100. Two thrusters of a
> >previous design of his are scheduled to fly on the AMSAT-EA Genesis
> >satellites, NET September. These are Open Source designs.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 14:15:42 +0800
From: Hans BX2ABT <hans.bx2abt@???.?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Open Source Thruster (was: Elections HEO
QO-100' Linear NB + Digital WB)
Message-ID: <f00ceaa8-0aa1-7fef-6e7a-51ed7b077b52@???.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
In this video he gives a nice introduction to his work:
https://youtu.be/8ehQjl0pagc
73 de Hans
BX2ABT
On 7/22/20 1:31 PM, Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Michael (Applied Ion) has a full-time job for RPI in Troy, New York and
> does this engine work in his spare time. I ran a recent fundraising to buy
> him a roughing pump, which some people in this group contributed to. I
> think he has a Patreon.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bruce
>
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 8:42 PM Daniel Schultz via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
>> I've been going to Electric Propulsion conferences for over a decade now,
>> and
>> I always had a sneaking suspicion that I could build one of those things
>> in my
>> garage, but then common sense takes over when I remind myself how long it
>> would take me to accomplish that. It looks like he is way ahead of me in
>> getting a vacuum system up and running.
>>
>> One thing the twitter feed does not mention, where is Applied Ion located?
>>
>> An open source electric thruster is a very key element in returning AMSAT
>> to
>> HEO. Is there anything we can do to help him along?
>>
>> Dan Schultz N8FGV
>>
>> ------ Original Message ------
>>> As it happens, Applied Ion is reporting partial success with a thruster
>>> design today: https://twitter.com/Applied_Ion
>>> His cost per thruster is much closer to Zach's $100. Two thrusters of a
>>> previous design of his are scheduled to fly on the AMSAT-EA Genesis
>>> satellites, NET September. These are Open Source designs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
>> expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 00:23:27 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@???.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Is This AMSAT's Future?
Message-ID: <2E07D201-8BB9-4831-85B8-C6DC745CDE4A@???.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>> This could very well be. Tech changes over time. IMHO, Hams need to
change over time to keep the hobby viable.
That required station is quite a jump from enjoying LEOs - and getting
involved in satellite communications for well under $200, though.
Clint Bradford K6LCS
- Still having clubs approach me for info on ?Getting Started ? ? (g)
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 09:25:49 +0100
From: Graham Shirville <graham@?????????.???>
To: aj9n@???.???? robert.machale@?????.???? amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] LVB Tracker vs. Yeasu GS-232B
Message-ID: <15717753-5ff4-2bc3-b0b3-2014fd29d48a@?????????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Hi Robert,
Try AMSAT-UK's shop - they currently have 19? full kits (but no case) in
stock!
https://shop.amsat-uk.org/LVB_Tracker_-_Complete_kit/p3815740_16276510.aspx
73
Graham G3VZV
On 22/07/2020 02:46, aj9n--- via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> I would look into getting the Labjack U12 or U3.? SatPC32 has the
schematic for the "piggyback" that goes between the Labjack and the control
box.
> Labjack:
> https://labjack.com/products/u12
> https://labjack.com/products/u3
> The piggybacks:
> http://www.dk1tb.de/lj_piggyback.JPG
> http://www.dk1tb.de/lj_piggyback_u3.JPG
> I have used the U12; it works great.? Something to consider.
> 73,Charlie Sufana AJ9NOne of the ARISS mentors
>
> In a message dated 2020-07-21 20:25:25 Eastern Standard Time,
amsat-bb@?????.??? writes:
>
> What is the status of the LVB Tracker - I notice it was once promoted by
AmSat, but is currently out of stock.
> The Yeasu GS-232B feels a little over priced at $589.
> What is the current recommendation for connecting the Yeasu G-5500 to
tracking software?
> [1] For reference,
AmSat:?https://www.amsat.org/product/lvb-tracker-complete/[2] For reference,
HRO:?https://www.hamradio.com/detail.cfm?pid=H0-002778
> 73
> Robert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio
License.?http://www.aprsat.com/predict.?http://www.spaceCommunicator.club
> . Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space
Exploration
> Silly Joke:?What did the little mountain say to the bigger mountain? Hi
Cliff!
> He who dares not offend cannot be honest. -- Thomas
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 05:36:36 -0500
From: "Alan" <wa4sca@?????.???>
To: <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] My Ballot arrived - Now what? Something to
consider.
Message-ID: <000001d66013$fa3300e0$ee9902a0$@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
John,
It is more accurate to think of it as an attempted hostile takeover rather
than a civil war, even though it is driven by ego and ideology rather than
money. That is important when understanding the tools being used, and in
looking at the range of possible resolutions. They are somewhat different in
the two cases.
73,
Alan
WA4SCA
<-----Original Message-----
<From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???? On Behalf Of john--- via
<AMSAT-BB
<Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 9:36 PM
<To: amsat-bb@?????.???
<Subject: [amsat-bb] My Ballot arrived - Now what? Something to consider.
<
<One of my ham radio friends asked me a few weeks ago, "What is going on
<with AMSAT?" It's nothing short of an all out civil war. And it is
<nasty and it's tearing us apart.
<
<With so many posts and so many twists and turns, it is hard to determine
<the root cause of the War. You have to stand way back to have any
<chance of finding out. If you take the time, the real issues becomes
<clear.
<
<The War on the amsat-bb seemed to subside a few days ago when members
<started talking about the ballots they were receiving in the mail.
<Maybe the thought was, if I just cast my vote, the problem will go away.
< Nothing could be farther from the truth. Patrick and Michelle are not
<on the ballot and they will still be on the Board after the election is
<over.
<
<My ballot and the candidate's statements arrived yesterday. And so did
<the oversize postcard sent out by 3 of the candidates. I read the
<statements and have been reading the candidate's comments on other
<social media platforms. Some of the candidates talked about some of
<the War issues. Some said they would like to see regular Board
<meetings. One candidate posted that he would cast the third vote
<required to demand General Board meetings be held regularly! That's
<about as bold as it gets in the candidate's statements. The same person
<promised to do some other things as well if elected; some helpful and
<some not, in my opinion. But at least he said them..
<
<A while back, a member made a post about who he would vote for. He
<documented everyone's credentials, experience, past efforts with AMSAT
<along with comments about personal interactions, if any. Those are good
<things to consider. But what about the future? What issues does the
<candidate deem important and how does he or she plan to deal with them?
<
<To me. the most important issue for AMSAT is to find a way to bring our
<Civil War to an end. And that would include negotiating an agreement
<with all parties that will restore civility and respect for all members,
<a culture that is open to all ideas regardless of who is suggesting
<them, as much transparency as the law permits along with fiscal
<responsibility and accountability. For the past week I've pondered how
<to do this and came up with a plan that has a chance of working. But
<I'm not running for a Board position (and never will) so I will defer to
<the candidates to come up with their own ideas.
<
<I challenge each candidate to address the issue and detail a plan to
<deal with it. Forget the general statements. There are things that
<must happen for the War to end. And if someone with a high school
<education and few accomplishments can do it, all of you should be able
<to solve this problem with ease. My vote will go to the candidates with
<the best plans. I urge others to wait a bit before casting their votes.
< Let's see what happens!
<
<73, John K8YSE
<_______________________________________________
<Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
<to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
<are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
<Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
<Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 04:07:08 -0700
From: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle@?????.???>
To: APBIDDLE@???????.???? Alan <wa4sca@?????.???>
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] My Ballot arrived - Now what? Something to
consider.
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That is true.
It?s a classic hostile takeover when the doors are locked against a
minority of the Directors, and when company assets are used for personal
reasons.
I add that secretly hiring lawyers to harass and obstruct elected leaders
isn?t a hostile takeover. It?s just plain hostile.
Lying about it and trying to cover it up is offensive.
Unlike other things that we do, this isn?t rocket science.
A stagnant board majority that freaks out and refuses to meet is not an
asset to the corporation.
Thanks to Alan for highlighting this aspect.
-Michelle W5NYV
On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 03:43 Alan via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> John,
>
> It is more accurate to think of it as an attempted hostile takeover rather
> than a civil war, even though it is driven by ego and ideology rather than
> money. That is important when understanding the tools being used, and in
> looking at the range of possible resolutions. They are somewhat different
> in
> the two cases.
>
> 73,
>
> Alan
> WA4SCA
>
>
>
>
> <-----Original Message-----
> <From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???? On Behalf Of john---
> via
> <AMSAT-BB
> <Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 9:36 PM
> <To: amsat-bb@?????.???
> <Subject: [amsat-bb] My Ballot arrived - Now what? Something to consider.
> <
> <One of my ham radio friends asked me a few weeks ago, "What is going on
> <with AMSAT?" It's nothing short of an all out civil war. And it is
> <nasty and it's tearing us apart.
> <
> <With so many posts and so many twists and turns, it is hard to determine
> <the root cause of the War. You have to stand way back to have any
> <chance of finding out. If you take the time, the real issues becomes
> <clear.
> <
> <The War on the amsat-bb seemed to subside a few days ago when members
> <started talking about the ballots they were receiving in the mail.
> <Maybe the thought was, if I just cast my vote, the problem will go away.
> < Nothing could be farther from the truth. Patrick and Michelle are not
> <on the ballot and they will still be on the Board after the election is
> <over.
> <
> <My ballot and the candidate's statements arrived yesterday. And so did
> <the oversize postcard sent out by 3 of the candidates. I read the
> <statements and have been reading the candidate's comments on other
> <social media platforms. Some of the candidates talked about some of
> <the War issues. Some said they would like to see regular Board
> <meetings. One candidate posted that he would cast the third vote
> <required to demand General Board meetings be held regularly! That's
> <about as bold as it gets in the candidate's statements. The same person
> <promised to do some other things as well if elected; some helpful and
> <some not, in my opinion. But at least he said them..
> <
> <A while back, a member made a post about who he would vote for. He
> <documented everyone's credentials, experience, past efforts with AMSAT
> <along with comments about personal interactions, if any. Those are good
> <things to consider. But what about the future? What issues does the
> <candidate deem important and how does he or she plan to deal with them?
> <
> <To me. the most important issue for AMSAT is to find a way to bring our
> <Civil War to an end. And that would include negotiating an agreement
> <with all parties that will restore civility and respect for all members,
> <a culture that is open to all ideas regardless of who is suggesting
> <them, as much transparency as the law permits along with fiscal
> <responsibility and accountability. For the past week I've pondered how
> <to do this and came up with a plan that has a chance of working. But
> <I'm not running for a Board position (and never will) so I will defer to
> <the candidates to come up with their own ideas.
> <
> <I challenge each candidate to address the issue and detail a plan to
> <deal with it. Forget the general statements. There are things that
> <must happen for the War to end. And if someone with a high school
> <education and few accomplishments can do it, all of you should be able
> <to solve this problem with ease. My vote will go to the candidates with
> <the best plans. I urge others to wait a bit before casting their votes.
> < Let's see what happens!
> <
> <73, John K8YSE
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-Michelle W5NYV
"Potestatem obscuri lateris nescis."
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