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Today's Topics:
1. Re: My Ballot arrived - Now what? Something to consider. (Alan)
2. Re: Is This AMSAT's Future? (Zach Metzinger)
3. Re: Is This AMSAT's Future? (Robert Switzer)
4. Re: Is This AMSAT's Future? (Bob Hammond)
5. Re: My Ballot arrived - Now what? Something to consider.
(Michelle Thompson)
6. "Walking and chewing gun at the same time" (Michael Tondee)
7. Re: Is This AMSAT's Future? (Michelle Thompson)
8. Re: My Ballot arrived - Now what? Something to consider. (Alan)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 07:06:27 -0500
From: "Alan" <wa4sca@?????.???>
To: <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] My Ballot arrived - Now what? Something to
consider.
Message-ID: <001401d66020$87a86b70$96f94250$@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Michelle,
Thanks for confirming my hypothesis on your tactics and actual motivations.
A lightning response consisting of a dense smokescreen, or perhaps heavy
flack, means I am over the target. :)
73,
Alan
WA4SCA
-------------------------------------
You can fool some of the people all of the time,
all of the people some of the time, and that is usually sufficient.
<-----Original Message-----
<From: Michelle Thompson [mailto:mountain.michelle@?????.????
<Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 6:07 AM
<To: APBIDDLE@???????.???? Alan <wa4sca@?????.???>
<Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
<Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] My Ballot arrived - Now what? Something to consider.
<
<That is true.
<
<It?s a classic hostile takeover when the doors are locked against a
minority of the Directors,
<and when company assets are used for personal reasons.
<
<I add that secretly hiring lawyers to harass and obstruct elected leaders
isn?t a hostile
<takeover. It?s just plain hostile.
<
<Lying about it and trying to cover it up is offensive.
<
<Unlike other things that we do, this isn?t rocket science.
<
<A stagnant board majority that freaks out and refuses to meet is not an
asset to the
<corporation.
<
<Thanks to Alan for highlighting this aspect.
<
<-Michelle W5NYV
<
<On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 03:43 Alan via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???
<mailto:amsat-
<bb@?????.???> > wrote:
<
<
< John,
<
< It is more accurate to think of it as an attempted hostile takeover rather
< than a civil war, even though it is driven by ego and ideology rather than
< money. That is important when understanding the tools being used, and in
< looking at the range of possible resolutions. They are somewhat different in
< the two cases.
<
< 73,
<
< Alan
< WA4SCA
<
<
<
<
< <-----Original Message-----
< <From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb-
<bounces@?????.???> ] On Behalf Of john--- via
< <AMSAT-BB
< <Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 9:36 PM
< <To: amsat-bb@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???>
< <Subject: [amsat-bb] My Ballot arrived - Now what? Something to consider.
< <
< <One of my ham radio friends asked me a few weeks ago, "What is going on
< <with AMSAT?" It's nothing short of an all out civil war. And it is
< <nasty and it's tearing us apart.
< <
< <With so many posts and so many twists and turns, it is hard to determine
< <the root cause of the War. You have to stand way back to have any
< <chance of finding out. If you take the time, the real issues becomes
< <clear.
< <
< <The War on the amsat-bb seemed to subside a few days ago when members
< <started talking about the ballots they were receiving in the mail.
< <Maybe the thought was, if I just cast my vote, the problem will go away.
< < Nothing could be farther from the truth. Patrick and Michelle are not
< <on the ballot and they will still be on the Board after the election is
< <over.
< <
< <My ballot and the candidate's statements arrived yesterday. And so did
< <the oversize postcard sent out by 3 of the candidates. I read the
< <statements and have been reading the candidate's comments on other
< <social media platforms. Some of the candidates talked about some of
< <the War issues. Some said they would like to see regular Board
< <meetings. One candidate posted that he would cast the third vote
< <required to demand General Board meetings be held regularly! That's
< <about as bold as it gets in the candidate's statements. The same person
< <promised to do some other things as well if elected; some helpful and
< <some not, in my opinion. But at least he said them..
< <
< <A while back, a member made a post about who he would vote for. He
< <documented everyone's credentials, experience, past efforts with AMSAT
< <along with comments about personal interactions, if any. Those are good
< <things to consider. But what about the future? What issues does the
< <candidate deem important and how does he or she plan to deal with them?
< <
< <To me. the most important issue for AMSAT is to find a way to bring our
< <Civil War to an end. And that would include negotiating an agreement
< <with all parties that will restore civility and respect for all members,
< <a culture that is open to all ideas regardless of who is suggesting
< <them, as much transparency as the law permits along with fiscal
< <responsibility and accountability. For the past week I've pondered how
< <to do this and came up with a plan that has a chance of working. But
< <I'm not running for a Board position (and never will) so I will defer to
< <the candidates to come up with their own ideas.
< <
< <I challenge each candidate to address the issue and detail a plan to
< <deal with it. Forget the general statements. There are things that
< <must happen for the War to end. And if someone with a high school
< <education and few accomplishments can do it, all of you should be able
< <to solve this problem with ease. My vote will go to the candidates with
< <the best plans. I urge others to wait a bit before casting their votes.
< < Let's see what happens!
< <
< <73, John K8YSE
< <_______________________________________________
< <Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.??? <mailto:AMSAT-BB@?????.???> . AMSAT-NA
<makes this open forum available
< <to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
< expressed
< <are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
< AMSAT-NA.
< <Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
< <Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
<
< _______________________________________________
< Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.??? <mailto:AMSAT-BB@?????.???> . AMSAT-NA
<makes this open forum available
< to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
<expressed
< are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
< Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
< Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
<
<
<--
<
<-Michelle W5NYV
<
<
<"Potestatem obscuri lateris nescis."
<
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 08:49:16 -0500
From: Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Is This AMSAT's Future?
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On 07/22/20 02:23, Clint Bradford via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>>> This could very well be. Tech changes over time. IMHO, Hams need to
change over time to keep the hobby viable.
>
> That required station is quite a jump from enjoying LEOs - and getting
involved in satellite communications for well under $200, though.
There will always be some cost to this hobby, part of which can be
mitigated by more home-brewing of equipment. However, if one doesn't
want scratch-build the entire system, there are rather inexpensive
solutions from commercial components.
OZ1BXM has an overview of the 13cm (2.4 GHz) uplink / 3cm (10 GHz)
downlink system here:
https://oz1bxm.dk/sat/QO100-rig.html
Seems like the receive chain is quite simple and cheap. I recently
acquired a 10 GHz LNB, new in a box, from eBay for $20. The RTL-SDR is
about another $20, and a bias-tee is probably $10, if one can't cobble
it together from the junk bin.
The transmit path requires a 2.4 GHz radio or converter, which is likely
the most expensive part of the whole system.
One could argue that this setup pushes new operators toward learning to
track and listen before trying to transmit. This is probably a good thing.
The 10 GHz information will be useful for GOLF-1's microwave capabilities.
--- Zach
N0ZGO
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 13:52:12 +0000 (UTC)
From: Robert Switzer <rs2atmink@?????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>, Clint Bradford
<clintbradford@???.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Is This AMSAT's Future?
Message-ID: <2007612699.5453125.1595425932554@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Clint,
IMO there is room to promote new participation with basic FM repeaters in
the sky, while at the same time providing
an architecture and program for advanced operations.? The vision there is to
also provide a blueprint for entry-level
participation at very reasonable cost.? More work than a tape measure and an
HT but the vision was definitely to
help relative newcomers take it to the next level.
There's room for both, no?
Rob KA2CZU
On Tuesday, July 21, 2020, 11:26:00 PM EDT, Clint Bradford via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
These new projects - seems like they are ?marketed? towards a very small
segment os satellite operators.
Is there truly a worthwhile ?return on investment" when a ground station
might have to include ?
? ? radio system is a 10 GHz downlink that will support 1 Mbps.?
You'll need a 10 GHz antenna that can be steered to track a LEO
satellite and probably a low-noise block downconverter (LNB)
feeding an SDR.? I think similar receivers are used for QO-100,
so a Google search may yield some designs that are currently
working, although QO-100 is nearly stationary ? ?
Feels like a very few hams will partake ? Exciting, indeed. But surely
not geared to the masses ?
Clint Bradford K6LCS
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 07:15:44 -0700
From: Bob Hammond <propgrinder@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Is This AMSAT's Future?
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Yes, there's room for both and a whole lot more.
Bob W7OTJ
On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 6:56 AM Robert Switzer via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Clint,
> IMO there is room to promote new participation with basic FM repeaters in
> the sky, while at the same time providing
> an architecture and program for advanced operations. The vision there is
> to also provide a blueprint for entry-level
> participation at very reasonable cost. More work than a tape measure and
> an HT but the vision was definitely to
> help relative newcomers take it to the next level.
> There's room for both, no?
> Rob KA2CZU
> On Tuesday, July 21, 2020, 11:26:00 PM EDT, Clint Bradford via
> AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> These new projects - seems like they are ?marketed? towards a very small
> segment os satellite operators.
>
> Is there truly a worthwhile ?return on investment" when a ground station
> might have to include ?
>
> ? ? radio system is a 10 GHz downlink that will support 1 Mbps.
> You'll need a 10 GHz antenna that can be steered to track a LEO
> satellite and probably a low-noise block downconverter (LNB)
> feeding an SDR. I think similar receivers are used for QO-100,
> so a Google search may yield some designs that are currently
> working, although QO-100 is nearly stationary ? ?
>
> Feels like a very few hams will partake ? Exciting, indeed. But surely
> not geared to the masses ?
>
> Clint Bradford K6LCS
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 07:22:23 -0700
From: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle@?????.???>
To: APBIDDLE@???????.???? Alan <wa4sca@?????.???>
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] My Ballot arrived - Now what? Something to
consider.
Message-ID:
<CACvjz2WPC32kB5ofoBPYg49N0yh-_Y2QjmTBnCSS115uCNx3SQ@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Describing me publicly as a ?target? that you want to bomb makes one of us
look bad... and it isn?t me.
Violent responses to ordinary questions about financial oversight have been
the pattern from the majority of the absentee board.
There certainly was smoke. It lead to real fires. We put some of them out
without anyone getting bothered.
The voters are the fire department of last resort for a member society. If
you are out there, we need your help.
Fewer war-obsessed Directors would result in immediate improvement for
everyone.
Please vote for McGwier, DeFelice, and Johns.
-mdt
On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 05:19 Alan via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Michelle,
>
> Thanks for confirming my hypothesis on your tactics and actual
> motivations. A lightning response consisting of a dense smokescreen, or
> perhaps heavy flack, means I am over the target. :)
>
> 73,
>
> Alan
> WA4SCA
>
>
> -------------------------------------
> You can fool some of the people all of the time,
> all of the people some of the time, and that is usually sufficient.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <-----Original Message-----
> <From: Michelle Thompson [mailto:mountain.michelle@?????.????
> <Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 6:07 AM
> <To: APBIDDLE@???????.???? Alan <wa4sca@?????.???>
> <Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
> <Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] My Ballot arrived - Now what? Something to
> consider.
> <
> <That is true.
> <
> <It?s a classic hostile takeover when the doors are locked against a
> minority of the Directors,
> <and when company assets are used for personal reasons.
> <
> <I add that secretly hiring lawyers to harass and obstruct elected leaders
> isn?t a hostile
> <takeover. It?s just plain hostile.
> <
> <Lying about it and trying to cover it up is offensive.
> <
> <Unlike other things that we do, this isn?t rocket science.
> <
> <A stagnant board majority that freaks out and refuses to meet is not an
> asset to the
> <corporation.
> <
> <Thanks to Alan for highlighting this aspect.
> <
> <-Michelle W5NYV
> <
> <On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 03:43 Alan via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???
> <mailto:amsat-
> <bb@?????.???> > wrote:
> <
> <
> < John,
> <
> < It is more accurate to think of it as an attempted hostile
> takeover rather
> < than a civil war, even though it is driven by ego and ideology
> rather than
> < money. That is important when understanding the tools being used,
> and in
> < looking at the range of possible resolutions. They are somewhat
> different in
> < the two cases.
> <
> < 73,
> <
> < Alan
> < WA4SCA
> <
> <
> <
> <
> < <-----Original Message-----
> < <From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@?????.??? <mailto:
> amsat-bb-
> <bounces@?????.???> ] On Behalf Of john--- via
> < <AMSAT-BB
> < <Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 9:36 PM
> < <To: amsat-bb@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???>
> < <Subject: [amsat-bb] My Ballot arrived - Now what? Something to
> consider.
> < <
> < <One of my ham radio friends asked me a few weeks ago, "What is
> going on
> < <with AMSAT?" It's nothing short of an all out civil war. And it is
> < <nasty and it's tearing us apart.
> < <
> < <With so many posts and so many twists and turns, it is hard to
> determine
> < <the root cause of the War. You have to stand way back to have any
> < <chance of finding out. If you take the time, the real issues
> becomes
> < <clear.
> < <
> < <The War on the amsat-bb seemed to subside a few days ago when
> members
> < <started talking about the ballots they were receiving in the mail.
> < <Maybe the thought was, if I just cast my vote, the problem will
> go away.
> < < Nothing could be farther from the truth. Patrick and Michelle
> are not
> < <on the ballot and they will still be on the Board after the
> election is
> < <over.
> < <
> < <My ballot and the candidate's statements arrived yesterday. And
> so did
> < <the oversize postcard sent out by 3 of the candidates. I read the
> < <statements and have been reading the candidate's comments on other
> < <social media platforms. Some of the candidates talked about some
> of
> < <the War issues. Some said they would like to see regular Board
> < <meetings. One candidate posted that he would cast the third vote
> < <required to demand General Board meetings be held regularly!
> That's
> < <about as bold as it gets in the candidate's statements. The same
> person
> < <promised to do some other things as well if elected; some helpful
> and
> < <some not, in my opinion. But at least he said them..
> < <
> < <A while back, a member made a post about who he would vote for. He
> < <documented everyone's credentials, experience, past efforts with
> AMSAT
> < <along with comments about personal interactions, if any. Those
> are good
> < <things to consider. But what about the future? What issues does
> the
> < <candidate deem important and how does he or she plan to deal with
> them?
> < <
> < <To me. the most important issue for AMSAT is to find a way to
> bring our
> < <Civil War to an end. And that would include negotiating an
> agreement
> < <with all parties that will restore civility and respect for all
> members,
> < <a culture that is open to all ideas regardless of who is
> suggesting
> < <them, as much transparency as the law permits along with fiscal
> < <responsibility and accountability. For the past week I've
> pondered how
> < <to do this and came up with a plan that has a chance of working.
> But
> < <I'm not running for a Board position (and never will) so I will
> defer to
> < <the candidates to come up with their own ideas.
> < <
> < <I challenge each candidate to address the issue and detail a plan
> to
> < <deal with it. Forget the general statements. There are things that
> < <must happen for the War to end. And if someone with a high school
> < <education and few accomplishments can do it, all of you should be
> able
> < <to solve this problem with ease. My vote will go to the
> candidates with
> < <the best plans. I urge others to wait a bit before casting their
> votes.
> < < Let's see what happens!
> < <
> < <73, John K8YSE
> < <_______________________________________________
> < <Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.??? <mailto:AMSAT-BB@?????.???> .
> AMSAT-NA
> <makes this open forum available
> < <to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> < expressed
> < <are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
> views of
> < AMSAT-NA.
> < <Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> < <Subscription settings:
> https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> <
> < _______________________________________________
> < Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.??? <mailto:AMSAT-BB@?????.???> . AMSAT-NA
> <makes this open forum available
> < to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> <expressed
> < are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
> views of AMSAT-NA.
> < Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> < Subscription settings:
> https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> <
> <
> <--
> <
> <-Michelle W5NYV
> <
> <
> <"Potestatem obscuri lateris nescis."
> <
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
--
-Michelle W5NYV
"Potestatem obscuri lateris nescis."
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 09:13:59 -0400
From: Michael Tondee <mat_62@???????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] "Walking and chewing gun at the same time"
Message-ID: <558edbb5-6e2a-1fa8-8eb7-f7b5fdf202a4@???????.???>
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So now the line is that an HEO or a GEO, besides being expensive to
launch, will be difficult and expensive for the average ham to acquire
the equipment for so we should just forget about it? Is that what I'm
reading? The hams I once knew, never backed down from a technical
challenge. By all accounts it wasn't exactly "easy" to build an AO-40
station but a whole bunch of hams managed to get it done. There was a
time when generating and receiving an SSTV signal was an enormously
involved process but somehow the early innovators in the field got it
done. Now it's one of the more simple and inexpensive things to do. Hams
have always overcome technical challenges. It's what we do, or we used
to do it anyway.
?Correct me if I'm wrong but AMSAT used to be able to walk and chew gum
at the same time. We had AO-40 and a myriad of other sats with varying
degrees of challenge to working them. I don't think anyone is saying
that we should just abandon the so called "easy sat" concept. Far from
it. If that's what you enjoy, then more power to you but there is a
large number of people out here that want something more than that. We
enjoy the challenge. It's what drew us to this side of the hobby in the
first place.? Why can't we do both?? We used to do that back when I was
an enthusiastic member of this organization and I think it can be done
again. I wouldn't still be here on this list hoping and praying for a
change in it's direction and a return to it's former glory and status if
I didn't.
73,
Michael W4HIJ
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 07:38:56 -0700
From: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle@?????.???>
To: Robert Switzer <rs2atmink@?????.???>, Robert Switzer
<robert_switzer@???.???>
Cc: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@???.???>, AMSAT BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Is This AMSAT's Future?
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You are exactly right.
People (like me) that work on broadband digital systems have said
?both/and, not either/or? for years.
I codesigned FOX DUV, worked hard on Suitsat, and have raised money for ISS
Power Supply, FOX, and other analog projects.
I?m living proof that AMSAT can do anything (without threatening FM sats),
including world class LDPC error correction, fancy microwave feeds, and
more.
I?d like a lot more of the ?both/and?.
So do grant making foundations. They put their money where my mouth is
because of what I have delivered and am capable of delivering in the
future.
AMSAT and ORI work with AREx is achieving almost all of the goals you
outline about advanced operations. That?s some good news!
AREx work output is open source, so all can benefit and everything can be
reused in case of the inevitable changes, delays, or redirections from the
top.
I wanted to bring much more of this sort of work to AMSAT as a Director.
It?s been a bummer to show up to a locked door, but this election could
turn that tide.
I?m optimistic.
Thank you,
-Michelle W5NYV
On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 06:56 Robert Switzer via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Clint,
> IMO there is room to promote new participation with basic FM repeaters in
> the sky, while at the same time providing
> an architecture and program for advanced operations. The vision there is
> to also provide a blueprint for entry-level
> participation at very reasonable cost. More work than a tape measure and
> an HT but the vision was definitely to
> help relative newcomers take it to the next level.
> There's room for both, no?
> Rob KA2CZU
> On Tuesday, July 21, 2020, 11:26:00 PM EDT, Clint Bradford via
> AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> These new projects - seems like they are ?marketed? towards a very small
> segment os satellite operators.
>
> Is there truly a worthwhile ?return on investment" when a ground station
> might have to include ?
>
> ? ? radio system is a 10 GHz downlink that will support 1 Mbps.
> You'll need a 10 GHz antenna that can be steered to track a LEO
> satellite and probably a low-noise block downconverter (LNB)
> feeding an SDR. I think similar receivers are used for QO-100,
> so a Google search may yield some designs that are currently
> working, although QO-100 is nearly stationary ? ?
>
> Feels like a very few hams will partake ? Exciting, indeed. But surely
> not geared to the masses ?
>
> Clint Bradford K6LCS
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-Michelle W5NYV
"Potestatem obscuri lateris nescis."
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 09:31:39 -0500
From: "Alan" <wa4sca@?????.???>
To: <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] My Ballot arrived - Now what? Something to
consider.
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Michelle,
> Describing me publicly as a ?target? that you want to bomb makes one of us
look bad... and it isn?t me.
You are probably one of only two people on this list who could possibly
twist/spin/distort what I clearly meant into what you claim. Given the
complete ludicrousness of that, I will just wish you a good and healthful day.
73,
Alan
WA4SCA
From: Michelle Thompson [mailto:mountain.michelle@?????.????
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 9:22 AM
To: APBIDDLE@???????.???? Alan <wa4sca@?????.???>
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] My Ballot arrived - Now what? Something to consider.
Describing me publicly as a ?target? that you want to bomb makes one of us
look bad... and it isn?t me.
Violent responses to ordinary questions about financial oversight have been
the pattern from the majority of the absentee board.
There certainly was smoke. It lead to real fires. We put some of them out
without anyone getting bothered.
The voters are the fire department of last resort for a member society. If
you are out there, we need your help.
Fewer war-obsessed Directors would result in immediate improvement for
everyone.
Please vote for McGwier, DeFelice, and Johns.
-mdt
On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 05:19 Alan via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???
<mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???> > wrote:
Michelle,
Thanks for confirming my hypothesis on your tactics and actual motivations.
A lightning response consisting of a dense smokescreen, or perhaps heavy
flack, means I am over the target. :)
73,
Alan
WA4SCA
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You can fool some of the people all of the time,
all of the people some of the time, and that is usually sufficient.
<-----Original Message-----
<From: Michelle Thompson [mailto:mountain.michelle@?????.???
<mailto:mountain.michelle@?????.???> ]
<Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 6:07 AM
<To: APBIDDLE@???????.??? <mailto:APBIDDLE@???????.???> ; Alan
<wa4sca@?????.??? <mailto:wa4sca@?????.???> >
<Cc: amsat-bb@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???>
<Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] My Ballot arrived - Now what? Something to consider.
<
<That is true.
<
<It?s a classic hostile takeover when the doors are locked against a
minority of the Directors,
<and when company assets are used for personal reasons.
<
<I add that secretly hiring lawyers to harass and obstruct elected leaders
isn?t a hostile
<takeover. It?s just plain hostile.
<
<Lying about it and trying to cover it up is offensive.
<
<Unlike other things that we do, this isn?t rocket science.
<
<A stagnant board majority that freaks out and refuses to meet is not an
asset to the
<corporation.
<
<Thanks to Alan for highlighting this aspect.
<
<-Michelle W5NYV
<
<On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 03:43 Alan via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???
<mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???> <mailto:amsat- <mailto:amsat->
<bb@?????.??? <mailto:bb@?????.???> > > wrote:
<
<
< John,
<
< It is more accurate to think of it as an attempted hostile takeover
rather
< than a civil war, even though it is driven by ego and ideology
rather than
< money. That is important when understanding the tools being used,
and in
< looking at the range of possible resolutions. They are somewhat
different in
< the two cases.
<
< 73,
<
< Alan
< WA4SCA
<
<
<
<
< <-----Original Message-----
< <From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???
<mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???> <mailto:amsat-bb- <mailto:amsat-bb->
<bounces@?????.??? <mailto:bounces@?????.???> > ] On Behalf Of john--- via
< <AMSAT-BB
< <Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 9:36 PM
< <To: amsat-bb@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???>
<mailto:amsat-bb@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???> >
< <Subject: [amsat-bb] My Ballot arrived - Now what? Something to
consider.
< <
< <One of my ham radio friends asked me a few weeks ago, "What is
going on
< <with AMSAT?" It's nothing short of an all out civil war. And it is
< <nasty and it's tearing us apart.
< <
< <With so many posts and so many twists and turns, it is hard to
determine
< <the root cause of the War. You have to stand way back to have any
< <chance of finding out. If you take the time, the real issues becomes
< <clear.
< <
< <The War on the amsat-bb seemed to subside a few days ago when members
< <started talking about the ballots they were receiving in the mail.
< <Maybe the thought was, if I just cast my vote, the problem will go
away.
< < Nothing could be farther from the truth. Patrick and Michelle are
not
< <on the ballot and they will still be on the Board after the
election is
< <over.
< <
< <My ballot and the candidate's statements arrived yesterday. And so
did
< <the oversize postcard sent out by 3 of the candidates. I read the
< <statements and have been reading the candidate's comments on other
< <social media platforms. Some of the candidates talked about some of
< <the War issues. Some said they would like to see regular Board
< <meetings. One candidate posted that he would cast the third vote
< <required to demand General Board meetings be held regularly! That's
< <about as bold as it gets in the candidate's statements. The same
person
< <promised to do some other things as well if elected; some helpful and
< <some not, in my opinion. But at least he said them..
< <
< <A while back, a member made a post about who he would vote for. He
< <documented everyone's credentials, experience, past efforts with
AMSAT
< <along with comments about personal interactions, if any. Those are
good
< <things to consider. But what about the future? What issues does the
< <candidate deem important and how does he or she plan to deal with
them?
< <
< <To me. the most important issue for AMSAT is to find a way to bring
our
< <Civil War to an end. And that would include negotiating an agreement
< <with all parties that will restore civility and respect for all
members,
< <a culture that is open to all ideas regardless of who is suggesting
< <them, as much transparency as the law permits along with fiscal
< <responsibility and accountability. For the past week I've pondered
how
< <to do this and came up with a plan that has a chance of working. But
< <I'm not running for a Board position (and never will) so I will
defer to
< <the candidates to come up with their own ideas.
< <
< <I challenge each candidate to address the issue and detail a plan to
< <deal with it. Forget the general statements. There are things that
< <must happen for the War to end. And if someone with a high school
< <education and few accomplishments can do it, all of you should be
able
< <to solve this problem with ease. My vote will go to the candidates
with
< <the best plans. I urge others to wait a bit before casting their
votes.
< < Let's see what happens!
< <
< <73, John K8YSE
< <_______________________________________________
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< <to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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< expressed
< <are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
views of
< AMSAT-NA.
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<--
<
<-Michelle W5NYV
<
<
<"Potestatem obscuri lateris nescis."
<
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